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00:00:40,708\n所以我在2023年的10月我就問了當時的陳建遠院長國營事業的運動團隊如果不幫球員投保勞保會不會產生法規範的問題當時的陳建遠院長認為這個不應該我們當時也問了因為國營事業隸屬於財政部我們也問了財政部長莊翠雲部長他認為要進一步了解後來我們問了許明春部長那他認為國營事業應該擅盡雇主的責任\n\n4\n00:01:00,914 --> 00:01:21,784\n到了經濟部郭智慧部長因為在他自己的企業底下他其實也有企業球隊我們問他有沒有幫他的球隊運動員加保當然是有的而且他認為這是天經地義後來新任的部長何佩珊部長我們也問了她她說她承諾會進一步進行勞動檢查那現在部長您新上任過去在運動員這個部分\n\n5\n00:01:23,385 --> 00:01:40,129\n我想問一下部長你認為國營事業運動團隊幫自己的球員加保勞保這件事情是不是天經地義的事情因為過去呢在我們積極的質詢之下過往台皮跟台電的態度是非常的消極他們說這是委任關係所以不需要幫他們投保勞保甚至呢\n\n6\n00:01:43,111 --> 00:02:11,327\n請他們自己去外面加保我們認為這非常的有問題到目前為止跟部長報告臺電到今年已經全數幫非正職求員換約加保勞保也就是說在勞動部的協助之下我猜勞動部應該有積極的協助臺電已經做了合乎法規範的事情可是臺皮到目前為止依然說這是委任關係我們認為這是規避雇主責任部長我想問一下你在這件事情上的看法\n\n7\n00:02:12,287 --> 00:02:35,246\n那個陳委員跟陳委員說明其實就從屬關係來說的話我們當然不希望有出現所謂的假委任真僱傭的狀況那再來一點是確實對於國營事業我們其實也覺得國營事業其實是有更積極要去照顧旗下付出勞動的工作者的責任\n\n8\n00:02:36,627 --> 00:02:55,596\n那勞動部現在當然有這個勞動契約從屬性判斷檢核表那可以來供大家來做相關的認定那目前我們其實針對體育團體部分其實也已經有勞動檢查其實9月到11月幾次的蠻多次我們我的數據看到的是在25家的勞動檢查那目前正在執行之中\n\n9\n00:02:58,958 --> 00:03:18,468\n關於這個臺皮要不要幫求援保勞保的問題其實我想我們的態度是當然很希望國民社會要承擔起更多社會期待的責任好謝謝部長非常正向的回應所以我想後續的部分而且我非常開心聽到部長您說在過去這段時間其實有非常多勞動檢查那我認為這件事情對於\n\n10\n00:03:20,229 --> 00:03:24,512\n勞動部在賴總統談的價值外交這件事情其實我們相關研究也想要跟部長提出相關的討論對於價值外交這件事情我們認為勞動部可以做以下的事情時間有限我們就直接來說\n\n11\n00:03:50,269 --> 00:04:13,988\n不長在現行的勞動部補助工會強化國際及兩岸勞動交流的部分呢?勞動部現行的辦法如果是產業特殊的企業工會或是職業工會其實是沒有國際交流的補助我們覺得這比較可惜當然我們相信當時的法規範一定有其時空背景如果我們現在要修法可能有新的想像必須要去\n\n12\n00:04:14,528 --> 00:04:34,290\n去承擔這個可能性可是我們看到地方政府以台北市政府勞動局補助工會辦理國際交流活動的部分呢他又只限於工會的聯合組織所以呢看起來在國際交流這件事情上我們必須要說企業工會職業工會的國際交流可能被中央跟地方政府同時遺忘\n\n13\n00:04:35,211 --> 00:04:54,743\n那我想要跟部長舉例一些例子到底什麼叫做企業工會跟職業工會部長像動漫企業企劃人員職業工會女子足球員職業工會臺大醫學院輻射醫院企業工會桃園市空服員職業工會我相信部長你一定都非常熟悉他們各自是企業工會也是非常特殊屬性的職業工會\n\n14\n00:04:55,763 --> 00:05:05,397\n而這些工會他們都有非常多的機會跟國際做交流可是卻不在相關法規範的補助辦法我們有沒有可能現在開啟一個新的討論來協助這些所謂企業工會職業工會我們做所謂的\n\n15\n00:05:11,406 --> 00:05:24,881\n專業性的交流然後呈現一種價值外交可能的全新的樣態因為確實我們在很多外交場合被打壓這件事情是事實但是如果可以透過他們的特殊性我認為我們可以進一步的產生更多國際的影響力\n\n16\n00:05:26,202 --> 00:05:53,822\n跟著報告因為我自己也待過外交國防委員會是所以我很清楚知道在政府的部會以外其他惡鬼外交的重要性是那所以就像剛剛委員提醒我會來請我們關西斯了吧這個部署工會上面這個強化國際交流的這個範疇那來研究一下能不能更大程度來放入可能大家現在比較關注的一些新興產業的\n\n17\n00:05:55,043 --> 00:05:56,945\n三、審查勞動部函送財團法人職業災害預防及重建中心114年度中心114年度\n\n18\n00:06:14,887 --> 00:06:31,606\n那當然我是勞動部我們不是外交部可是能夠做的部分能夠對外交提供到貢獻或者是也可以讓這些工會假如未來的進展可以更順暢或者是說得到更多的支持的部分我們會我來請關係室來研究這件事情看能不能把它更擴大的放入\n\n19\n00:06:31,766 --> 00:06:31,946\n公務及基金預算．僅\n\n20\n00:06:47,434 --> 00:07:06,410\n有一個雜誌去問一般的爸爸媽媽問說你認為何種職場措施最能夠讓父母安心生跟養也就是在所有的育兒津貼相關的費用補助以外其實所有的年輕爸媽最在意的其實就是彈性工時這件事情但是之前在那個新部長上任的時候其實我們也跟新部長討論過確實彈性工時需要企業整體的轉型甚至企業需要重新去設計一個所謂的生產流程我們來看下一頁\n\n21\n00:07:15,578 --> 00:07:28,212\n那可是這件事情呢這個看起來算是民間雜誌辦的調查跟相關的獎項可是他們後續造成的效應我想要跟部長分享我們來看下一頁部長你知道嗎被他們點選出來的獲獎企業\n\n22\n00:07:30,455 --> 00:07:47,772\n他們的新生兒總數竟然達到臺北市一整年新生兒數的三分之一這個是前兩年的數字其實非常驚人也就是說如果企業端他們真的可以做到友善育兒職場這件事情的所有政策其實對於出生率真的是有幫忙的我們來看一下\n\n23\n00:07:48,172 --> 00:07:52,036\n三、審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案關於勞動部部長列席報告業務：一、審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案關於勞動部\n\n24\n00:08:08,186 --> 00:08:32,987\n後續造成的效應跟部長分享看起來雖然是一個民間雜誌社他們自辦了10年的獎項10年的調查他們花自己的經費做了這麼多這麼多的事情結果後來造成了包含歐洲商會還有很多的中小企業聯合會他們就紛紛邀請這個雜誌社去演講說你們你們的調查內容到底展現出什麼樣的成果讓企業在用人這件事情上這個是大大的加分\n\n25\n00:08:33,667 --> 00:08:51,058\n那這個勞動部我們當然知道談談性工時很難遠距工作也很難因為台灣有百分之九十幾都是中小企業但是我們想問我們有沒有機會透過產官學跟民間的合作我們不斷來擴大這個獎項的效應讓相關獎項的可能性被更多企業看見也被我們更多\n\n26\n00:08:52,579 --> 00:09:14,369\n負責這些人力政策的行政官員看見原來彈性工時遠距上班還有更多的可能性可以被理解可以被轉換成政策所以這邊我想要快速的倡議我希望後續可以跟勞動部持續討論我們如何站在產官學合作的角度跟相關這個雜誌社會合作也好或是跟很多民間企業合作去規劃跟去討論更多的可能性讓這些東西可以被看見\n\n27\n00:09:16,091 --> 00:09:30,707\n根存報告其實關於照顧不離職的政策其實是會是我上任以後我非常非常重視的部分所以我已經請請這個幾個私塾的同仁在做研討吼那包括假\n\n28\n00:09:31,568 --> 00:09:46,168\n是部分怎麼樣能夠更彈性也包括如果會需要一些經費支出的話才才源的的來源可以怎麼去做規劃是那大概講到彈性公司我覺得重點就是說這個這個彈性公司是能夠有助於勞工\n\n29\n00:09:46,909 --> 00:10:04,987\n工作跟生活平衡的彈性公式這是我們優先考慮的這個所謂的彈性那剛剛委員講到說不管是透過獎勵的方式或者是這些這個表揚的方式我們都非常非常樂意來參與因為這確實要還需要持續的跟企業界\n\n30\n00:10:06,108 --> 00:10:27,672\n來做溝通可是我想我們的態度會是很清楚的就是這部分我也覺得是需要要再去做更多的突破不然會有更多尤其是我們的婦女的勞工其實在這個職場工作上常常面對二選一的這個狀況不管是從缺工的角度從新北平的角度來說這都不是好事\n\n31\n00:10:28,413 --> 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要性是那所以就像剛剛委員提醒我會來請我們關西斯了吧這個部署工會上面這個強化國際交流的這個範疇那來研究一下能不能更大程度來放入可能大家現在比較關注的一些新興產業的\n三、審查勞動部函送財團法人職業災害預防及重建中心114年度中心114年度\n那當然我是勞動部我們不是外交部可是能夠做的部分能夠對外交提供到貢獻或者是也可以讓這些工會假如未來的進展可以更順暢或者是說得到更多的支持的部分我們會我來請關係室來研究這件事情看能不能把它更擴大的放入\n公務及基金預算．僅\n有一個雜誌去問一般的爸爸媽媽問說你認為何種職場措施最能夠讓父母安心生跟養也就是在所有的育兒津貼相關的費用補助以外其實所有的年輕爸媽最在意的其實就是彈性工時這件事情但是之前在那個新部長上任的時候其實我們也跟新部長討論過確實彈性工時需要企業整體的轉型甚至企業需要重新去設計一個所謂的生產流程我們來看下一頁\n那可是這件事情呢這個看起來算是民間雜誌辦的調查跟相關的獎項可是他們後續造成的效應我想要跟部長分享我們來看下一頁部長你知道嗎被他們點選出來的獲獎企業\n他們的新生兒總數竟然達到臺北市一整年新生兒數的三分之一這個是前兩年的數字其實非常驚人也就是說如果企業端他們真的可以做到友善育兒職場這件事情的所有政策其實對於出生率真的是有幫忙的我們來看一下\n三、審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案關於勞動部部長列席報告業務：一、審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案關於勞動部\n後續造成的效應跟部長分享看起來雖然是一個民間雜誌社他們自辦了10年的獎項10年的調查他們花自己的經費做了這麼多這麼多的事情結果後來造成了包含歐洲商會還有很多的中小企業聯合會他們就紛紛邀請這個雜誌社去演講說你們你們的調查內容到底展現出什麼樣的成果讓企業在用人這件事情上這個是大大的加分\n那這個勞動部我們當然知道談談性工時很難遠距工作也很難因為台灣有百分之九十幾都是中小企業但是我們想問我們有沒有機會透過產官學跟民間的合作我們不斷來擴大這個獎項的效應讓相關獎項的可能性被更多企業看見也被我們更多\n負責這些人力政策的行政官員看見原來彈性工時遠距上班還有更多的可能性可以被理解可以被轉換成政策所以這邊我想要快速的倡議我希望後續可以跟勞動部持續討論我們如何站在產官學合作的角度跟相關這個雜誌社會合作也好或是跟很多民間企業合作去規劃跟去討論更多的可能性讓這些東西可以被看見\n根存報告其實關於照顧不離職的政策其實是會是我上任以後我非常非常重視的部分所以我已經請請這個幾個私塾的同仁在做研討吼那包括假\n是部分怎麼樣能夠更彈性也包括如果會需要一些經費支出的話才才源的的來源可以怎麼去做規劃是那大概講到彈性公司我覺得重點就是說這個這個彈性公司是能夠有助於勞工\n工作跟生活平衡的彈性公式這是我們優先考慮的這個所謂的彈性那剛剛委員講到說不管是透過獎勵的方式或者是這些這個表揚的方式我們都非常非常樂意來參與因為這確實要還需要持續的跟企業界\n來做溝通可是我想我們的態度會是很清楚的就是這部分我也覺得是需要要再去做更多的突破不然會有更多尤其是我們的婦女的勞工其實在這個職場工作上常常面對二選一的這個狀況不管是從缺工的角度從新北平的角度來說這都不是好事\n三、審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案關於勞動部主管預算．\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.742 --> 00:03.647\n好謝謝主席那有請部長謝謝有請部長\n\n00:13.783 --> 00:32.545\n好,部長早安,午安。部長辛苦了,我想要來轉換另外一個話題。我們從地埔就任到現在,我們一直在關心運動員的相關權益。那也許是部長比較不熟悉的,我們花一些時間跟部長討論。\n\n00:33.706 --> 00:40.708\n所以我在2023年的10月我就問了當時的陳建遠院長國營事業的運動團隊如果不幫球員投保勞保會不會產生法規範的問題當時的陳建遠院長認為這個不應該我們當時也問了因為國營事業隸屬於財政部我們也問了財政部長莊翠雲部長他認為要進一步了解後來我們問了許明春部長那他認為國營事業應該擅盡雇主的責任\n\n01:00.914 --> 01:21.784\n到了經濟部郭智慧部長因為在他自己的企業底下他其實也有企業球隊我們問他有沒有幫他的球隊運動員加保當然是有的而且他認為這是天經地義後來新任的部長何佩珊部長我們也問了她她說她承諾會進一步進行勞動檢查那現在部長您新上任過去在運動員這個部分\n\n01:23.385 --> 01:40.129\n我想問一下部長你認為國營事業運動團隊幫自己的球員加保勞保這件事情是不是天經地義的事情因為過去呢在我們積極的質詢之下過往台皮跟台電的態度是非常的消極他們說這是委任關係所以不需要幫他們投保勞保甚至呢\n\n01:43.111 --> 02:11.327\n請他們自己去外面加保我們認為這非常的有問題到目前為止跟部長報告臺電到今年已經全數幫非正職求員換約加保勞保也就是說在勞動部的協助之下我猜勞動部應該有積極的協助臺電已經做了合乎法規範的事情可是臺皮到目前為止依然說這是委任關係我們認為這是規避雇主責任部長我想問一下你在這件事情上的看法\n\n02:12.287 --> 02:35.246\n那個陳委員跟陳委員說明其實就從屬關係來說的話我們當然不希望有出現所謂的假委任真僱傭的狀況那再來一點是確實對於國營事業我們其實也覺得國營事業其實是有更積極要去照顧旗下付出勞動的工作者的責任\n\n02:36.627 --> 02:55.596\n那勞動部現在當然有這個勞動契約從屬性判斷檢核表那可以來供大家來做相關的認定那目前我們其實針對體育團體部分其實也已經有勞動檢查其實9月到11月幾次的蠻多次我們我的數據看到的是在25家的勞動檢查那目前正在執行之中\n\n02:58.958 --> 03:18.468\n關於這個臺皮要不要幫求援保勞保的問題其實我想我們的態度是當然很希望國民社會要承擔起更多社會期待的責任好謝謝部長非常正向的回應所以我想後續的部分而且我非常開心聽到部長您說在過去這段時間其實有非常多勞動檢查那我認為這件事情對於\n\n03:20.229 --> 03:24.512\n勞動部在賴總統談的價值外交這件事情其實我們相關研究也想要跟部長提出相關的討論對於價值外交這件事情我們認為勞動部可以做以下的事情時間有限我們就直接來說\n\n03:50.269 --> 04:13.988\n不長在現行的勞動部補助工會強化國際及兩岸勞動交流的部分呢?勞動部現行的辦法如果是產業特殊的企業工會或是職業工會其實是沒有國際交流的補助我們覺得這比較可惜當然我們相信當時的法規範一定有其時空背景如果我們現在要修法可能有新的想像必須要去\n\n04:14.528 --> 04:34.290\n去承擔這個可能性可是我們看到地方政府以台北市政府勞動局補助工會辦理國際交流活動的部分呢他又只限於工會的聯合組織所以呢看起來在國際交流這件事情上我們必須要說企業工會職業工會的國際交流可能被中央跟地方政府同時遺忘\n\n04:35.211 --> 04:54.743\n那我想要跟部長舉例一些例子到底什麼叫做企業工會跟職業工會部長像動漫企業企劃人員職業工會女子足球員職業工會臺大醫學院輻射醫院企業工會桃園市空服員職業工會我相信部長你一定都非常熟悉他們各自是企業工會也是非常特殊屬性的職業工會\n\n04:55.763 --> 05:05.397\n而這些工會他們都有非常多的機會跟國際做交流可是卻不在相關法規範的補助辦法我們有沒有可能現在開啟一個新的討論來協助這些所謂企業工會職業工會我們做所謂的\n\n05:11.406 --> 05:24.881\n專業性的交流然後呈現一種價值外交可能的全新的樣態因為確實我們在很多外交場合被打壓這件事情是事實但是如果可以透過他們的特殊性我認為我們可以進一步的產生更多國際的影響力\n\n05:26.202 --> 05:53.822\n跟著報告因為我自己也待過外交國防委員會是所以我很清楚知道在政府的部會以外其他惡鬼外交的重要性是那所以就像剛剛委員提醒我會來請我們關西斯了吧這個部署工會上面這個強化國際交流的這個範疇那來研究一下能不能更大程度來放入可能大家現在比較關注的一些新興產業的\n\n05:55.043 --> 05:56.945\n三、審查勞動部函送財團法人職業災害預防及重建中心114年度中心114年度\n\n06:14.887 --> 06:31.606\n那當然我是勞動部我們不是外交部可是能夠做的部分能夠對外交提供到貢獻或者是也可以讓這些工會假如未來的進展可以更順暢或者是說得到更多的支持的部分我們會我來請關係室來研究這件事情看能不能把它更擴大的放入\n\n06:31.766 --> 06:31.946\n公務及基金預算．僅\n\n06:47.434 --> 07:06.410\n有一個雜誌去問一般的爸爸媽媽問說你認為何種職場措施最能夠讓父母安心生跟養也就是在所有的育兒津貼相關的費用補助以外其實所有的年輕爸媽最在意的其實就是彈性工時這件事情但是之前在那個新部長上任的時候其實我們也跟新部長討論過確實彈性工時需要企業整體的轉型甚至企業需要重新去設計一個所謂的生產流程我們來看下一頁\n\n07:15.578 --> 07:28.212\n那可是這件事情呢這個看起來算是民間雜誌辦的調查跟相關的獎項可是他們後續造成的效應我想要跟部長分享我們來看下一頁部長你知道嗎被他們點選出來的獲獎企業\n\n07:30.455 --> 07:47.772\n他們的新生兒總數竟然達到臺北市一整年新生兒數的三分之一這個是前兩年的數字其實非常驚人也就是說如果企業端他們真的可以做到友善育兒職場這件事情的所有政策其實對於出生率真的是有幫忙的我們來看一下\n\n07:48.172 --> 07:52.036\n三、審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案關於勞動部部長列席報告業務：一、審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案關於勞動部\n\n08:08.186 --> 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認定，目前我們針對體育團體的部分其實也已經有勞動檢查，9月到11月有蠻多次，我從數據看到的是大概25家的勞動檢查，目前正在執行之中。所以關於台啤要不要幫球員投保勞保的問題，其實我想我們的態度是當然希望國營事業要承擔起更多社會期待的責任。"],["陳委員培瑜：好，謝謝部長非常正向的回應，我想後續的部分……而且我非常開心聽到部長您說在過去這段時間其實有非常多勞動檢查，我認為這件事情對於球員來說非常重要，因為一旦我們要成立運動部，我認為整個臺灣，不管是行政機關或是民間企業，對運動或是運動員相關權益的照顧更為重要。"],["洪部長申翰：當然。"],["陳委員培瑜：好，這個部分我們會持續，也要拜託勞動部一起幫忙。","接下來我們要談一下關於勞動部對於賴總統談的價值外交這件事情，其實我們有相關研究，也想要跟部長提出相關的討論，對於價值外交這件事情我們認為勞動部可以做以下的事情，我時間有限，我們就直接來說，部長，在勞動部補助工會強化國際及兩岸勞動交流的部分，勞動部現行的辦法是，如果是產業特殊的企業工會或是職業工會其實是沒有國際交流的補助，我們覺得這比較可惜，當然我們相信當時的法規範一定有其時空背景，如果我們現在要修法可能有新的想像，必須要去承擔這個可能性。可是我們看到地方政府，以臺北市政府勞動局補助工會辦理國際交流活動的部分來看，它又只限於工會的聯合組織，所以看起來在國際交流這件事情上，我們必須要說企業工會、職業工會的國際交流可能被中央跟地方政府同時遺忘。","我想要跟部長舉一些例子，到底什麼叫做企業工會跟職業工會？部長，像動漫企劃人員職業工會、女子足球員職業工會、臺大醫學院附設醫院企業工會、桃園市空服員職業工會，我相信部長一定都非常熟悉，他們各自是企業工會也是非常特殊屬性的職業工會，而這些工會他們都有非常多的機會跟國際做交流，可是卻不在相關法規範的補助辦法，我們有沒有可能現在開啟一個新的討論，來協助這些所謂企業工會、職業工會做所謂的專業性的交流，然後呈現一種價值外交可能的全新樣態？因為確實我們在很多外交場合被打壓這件事情是事實，但是如果可以透過他們的特殊性，我認為我們可以進一步產生更多的國際影響力。"],["洪部長申翰：跟陳委員報告，因為我自己也待過外交及國防委員會，所以我很清楚知道在政府部會以外的其他二軌外交的重要性，所以就像剛剛委員的提醒，我會請我們關係司把補助工會強化國際交流的這個範疇，研究一下能不能更大程度來放入大家現在比較關注的一些新興產業的產職業工會。"],["陳委員培瑜：是。"],["洪部長申翰：因為這些新興的產業其實也是現在外界相當關注，是很受關注的部分，如果可以放入而且能夠讓大家有實質的國際交流的話，我覺得這確實是一個好事。"],["陳委員培瑜：好。"],["洪部長申翰：當然，我們是勞動部，我們不是外交部，可是能夠做的部分、能夠對外交提供貢獻，或者是能夠讓這些工會未來的進展可以更順暢或者是得到更多支持的部分，我請關係司來研究這件事情，看能不能把它更擴大的放入。"],["陳委員培瑜：好，我們辦公室也非常樂意跟你們討論我們看到的樣態。","最後一個問題，其實每次勞動部長來我都會問這一題，因為對於新時代的爸媽來說，其實大家最在意的是家庭跟工作的平衡，部長你可以看到右邊的數據，有一個雜誌去問一般的爸爸媽媽：你認為何種職場措施最能夠讓父母安心生跟養？也就是在所有育兒津貼相關的費用補助以外，其實所有年輕爸媽最在意的就是彈性工時這件事情，之前在新部長上任的時候，我們也跟新部長討論過，確實彈性工時需要企業整體的轉型甚至企業需要重新去設計一個所謂的生產流程。我們來看下一頁，這件事情雖然看起來是民間雜誌辦的調查跟相關的獎項，可是他們後續造成的效應我想要跟部長分享，部長你知道嗎？被他們點選出來的獲獎企業，他們的新生兒總數竟然達到臺北市一整年新生兒數的三分之一，這個是前兩年的數字，其實非常驚人！也就是如果企業端他們真的可以做到友善育兒職場這件事情的所有政策，其實對於出生率真的是有幫忙的。我們來看一下，這是一個台灣默克的員工，他說：原本我跟先生沒有打算生小孩，我們的工作真的都很忙，擔心沒有時間陪伴小孩，可是公司推動遠距上班跟彈性工時，我們就決定生了小孩。我想部長對於彈性工時絕對是熟悉的，對於遠距上班也是熟悉的，但是我想要問，後續造成的效應，跟部長分享，看起來雖然是一個民間雜誌社他們自辦了10年的獎項、10年的調查，他們花自己的經費做了這麼多、這麼多的事情，結果後來造成了包含歐洲商會還有很多的中小企業聯合會紛紛邀請這個雜誌社去演講調查的內容到底展現出什麼樣的成果，讓企業在用人這件事情上真的是大大的加分。","就勞動部來說，我們當然知道要談彈性工時很難，要談遠距工作也很難，因為臺灣有百分之九十幾都是中小企業，但是我們想問，我們有沒有機會透過產官學跟民間的合作不斷來擴大這個獎項的效應？讓相關獎項的可能性被更多企業看見，也被更多負責人力政策的行政官員看見，原來彈性工時、遠距上班還有更多的可能性可以被理解、可以被轉換成政策。所以這邊我想要快速的倡議，我希望後續可以跟勞動部持續討論，我們如何站在產官學合作的角度跟這個雜誌社合作也好，或是跟很多民間企業合作，去規劃跟去討論更多的可能性，讓這些東西可以被看見。"],["洪部長申翰：跟陳委員報告，關於照顧不離職的政策其實是我上任以後非常、非常重視的部分，所以我已經請幾個司署的同仁做研討，包括假的部分怎麼樣能夠更彈性，也包括如果需要有些經費支出的話財源可以怎麼去做規劃。"],["陳委員培瑜：是。"],["洪部長申翰：剛才講到彈性工時，我覺得重點應該是這個彈性工時是能夠有助於勞工工作跟生活平衡的彈性工時，這是我們優先考慮的所謂彈性。剛剛委員講到不管是透過獎勵的方式或者是這些表揚的方式，我們都非常、非常樂意參與，因為這確實還需要持續跟企業界溝通，可是我想我們的態度會是很清楚的，就是這部分我也覺得有必要再去做更多的突破，不然會有更多……尤其是我們的婦女勞工其實在職場工作上常常面對二選一的狀況，不管是從缺工的角度或是從性別平等的角度來說這都不是好事。"],["陳委員培瑜：好，謝謝部長非常正向的回應，後續我們辦公室會再跟勞動部積極的討論。以上。謝謝部長、謝謝主席。"],["洪部長申翰：謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝陳培瑜委員的發言，謝謝部長。","下一位請林淑芬委員發言。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":196,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-26-13","speakers":["黃秀芳","陳昭姿","林月琴","陳菁徽","邱鎮軍","廖偉翔","王育敏","涂權吉","盧縣一","陳瑩","蘇清泉","陳培瑜","林淑芬","賴士葆","鄭天財Sra 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