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00:00:49,180\n彭博的駐臺記者何貴昇在社群平臺上面爆料提到香港的J燒貨船長河輪這個事情部長早上應該有媒體上我看也揭露了這個昨天就有掌握了對對對\n\n3\n00:00:50,901 --> 00:01:18,383\n我想請問一下國安單位有沒有跟你們聯絡過這一艘船必須被特別的處理報告委員當時沒有特別通知這件事情所以你們對於港務這個航港局跟港務公司都沒有得到任何的訊息對報告委員我們沒有得到任何訊息那所以這艘船當時是用商船的方式來做申請就一般處理啦我們就回到我們的正常SOP去處理我們對正常SOP的抽檢\n\n4\n00:01:19,738 --> 00:01:35,282\n我們的百分比大概佔多少?這個就是我們上港法所謂的港口管制這個全球的港口都有這樣的這個那我國的百分比是15%那這個抽檢到的15%我們會做什麼樣的檢查?\n\n5\n00:01:40,751 --> 00:02:02,170\n我們會依照這個國際公約來檢查不管是它的四航性安全設備環保的這個設備是不是都能夠正常的運作所以我們會實際檢查人員會進到這個船艙裡面是的是這樣做嗎是的是的好那所以這一艘船並不在如果按照正常的SOP它並沒有我們檢查的實質內容\n\n6\n00:02:03,951 --> 00:02:23,396\n因為這艘船我們港澳國檢查所謂的高風險的一個標準還有原則那這艘船就不在我們的抽檢的範圍內所以我們並沒有對他做港澳國的管制的檢查就是進到正常程序的檢查\n\n7\n00:02:26,513 --> 00:02:47,686\n因為不在那個15%的比例的抽驗裡面所以我們也不知道怎麼樣那對於他在這一次的裝卸貨裡面我們這個港的安全設備包括所謂監視器等等我們有沒有去重新再看一遍有沒有任何的問題\n\n8\n00:02:49,855 --> 00:03:17,408\n事後有沒有再看過?就是這件事情我們掌握了那雖然他不在因為國安沒有通報所以沒有通報這個其實也不能怪你們因為你們就按照我們不會擾民嘛因為商務活動嘛所以我們對一般的SOP處理嘛可是呢因為他的爭議點在於他曾經參加對岸這個演習而且他的功能是把那個那個含有機槍的那個小艇放在他的船艙裡面\n\n9\n00:03:18,268 --> 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