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00:01:08,068\n那目前包括我本人在內都有去這個算是去邀標了然後也充分有辦過說明會讓廠商了解空中奉承他的發展性所以他設計的一些困難跟那個有可能來OT的廠商使用的\n\n4\n00:01:09,025 --> 00:01:14,850\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。\n\n5\n00:01:31,687 --> 00:01:48,854\n因為現在據我所知就是電影院目前是在幾樓本來是在高樓層現在允許他變更可以拿到這個低樓層來OK因為我知道高樓層還有20人\n\n6\n00:01:50,515 --> 00:01:55,857\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n7\n00:02:19,844 --> 00:02:21,465\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n8\n00:02:37,552 --> 00:02:39,153\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n9\n00:02:53,993 --> 00:03:17,711\n也要讓部長跟董事長知道這個是我鳳山重要的事務嘛這個沒有完成交代不過去所以我是希望說董事長跟部長也特別重視就是說我這個地方總是要找到適合的廠商符合鳳山的需求那真的有人開始動\n\n10\n00:03:18,972 --> 00:03:27,154\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n11\n00:03:45,618 --> 00:03:47,821\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務\n\n12\n00:04:01,495 --> 00:04:04,857\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務\n\n13\n00:04:24,551 --> 00:04:26,573\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n14\n00:04:39,253 --> 00:04:40,614\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n15\n00:05:10,033 --> 00:05:12,175\n臺積電站應該沒問題吧規劃當中這是鐵道局在設計鐵道局也沒那麼清楚\n\n16\n00:05:30,558 --> 00:05:56,319\n高雄市政府不然我就請兩位我們局長跟董事長來注意一下也拜託部長了解一下這個我們攬子百慕打當時在2022年6月15劉思旺部長那時候還當立委的時候跟我跟李柏毅都有去考察這個攬子百慕打鐵路立體化的這個規劃我想這個應該\n\n17\n00:05:59,821 --> 00:06:03,664\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n18\n00:06:23,189 --> 00:06:37,988\n那分流在南子在台積電前面在我們的高鐵的地方那邊蓋一個台積電站這個應該是一個可以分流滿好的想法\n\n19\n00:06:39,076 --> 00:07:01,841\n甚至呢,其實將來包括我們從屏東、從鳳山要去台積電上班那我這邊多設一個站坦白講應該未來這邊人流會非常的多啦所以這個需求應該是非常的高那這個局長跟董事長的看法如何\n\n20\n00:07:03,609 --> 00:07:22,834\n這個跟委員報告應該是由市政府這邊先辦理就是鐵路高架或是地下立體化的一個可行性研究那如果他在這個案子裡面提出來這樣的規劃的話我想我們會來支持所以目前市府都沒有把這個訊息跟你們講案子還沒有到部委那我們最後請部長好不好\n\n21\n00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:34,281\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n22\n00:07:49,046 --> 00:08:01,877\n這個部分是委員之前有提到過是的有提到過我大概知道所以就是說相關的細節需要市府的我會再拜託啦是是是他們來提出來我們來支持那當然就是說也希望說部長跟這個蓋應該是鐵道局\n\n23\n00:08:05,059 --> 00:08:09,701\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n24\n00:08:32,531 --> 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