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公務員報告不是不敢回答今年是我們第一年公司化的第一年我們在第一年的話我們還是有按照我們的進度在走那我也坦白講像今年跟明年我們還是會有虧損的\n280603\t281625\t那這個虧損會不會影響到這個剛剛講的這個我們從業人員的考程發放這個我們會積極來做處理\n291212\t313335\t報告委員這個部分要幫台鐵的員工講一句話其實台鐵有一些虧損是因為政策性的政策性造成的虧損是就是台鐵過去到現在因為交通部認為說我們就是台鐵的政策角色是相對來講跟高鐵不同也因此很多的台鐵員工也都認為說很委屈甚至有講是說如果說開放\n313775\t314776\t三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n336627\t346812\t台鐵董事長今年一定會有年終獎金部長這樣承諾那另外中華電信公會現在也有做相關的訴求那跟資方的協商也破局\n348516\t375608\t目前的狀況,如果說現在工會跟公司沒有辦法有達成一個合理的一個溝通的話,我們交通部有沒有什麼方法可以來協助?報告委員,因為中華電信是上市櫃公司,我們要尊重他們的公司治理,不過我們還是要呼籲啦,資方跟勞方要好好去協調去協商,不要影響到民眾。他是上市櫃公司,但是最大股東是交通部啊。是,所以我們的態度上希望勞方跟資方要好好協調。我們部,董事長總經理也是交通部派的啊。\n377870\t393249\t法人代表所以說我們現在講的是說當這些事情都是過去沒有發生或是過去發生的時候交通部有比較積極的主導角色那我們現在也看到要求的是合理的部分讓所有的工會的\n393669\t394670\t三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n413283\t416626\t二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n435259\t439360\t三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n456764\t481154\t那之前我記得我看到計畫是114年啊所以你們是114年就要開始做計畫的一個啟動那還有我也要求在既有油槽遷移的這個啟動開始計畫評估之後原本的油槽遷移的那一塊用地也就是在巴黎台北港港內的這塊用地要做後續的規劃使用這一個部分也要一併的有計畫\n484632\t505023\t我們都按照這個期程在進行大概115年那把那個旋律設施往外移繼續規劃那一塊我也特別讓部長了解部長您的轄區任內很多的商港臺北港是重中之重\n505603\t509445\t三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。\n","txt":"好,主席謝謝,麻煩請陳世凱部長請陳部長\n好 陳部長 延續剛剛幾個委員大家關心的話題啦我想交通部身為中央主管機關台鐵、高鐵現在都是公司化了對來講應該沒有大小眼吧只要是公司能夠服務所有的鄉親民眾讓2350萬人的交通更提升都應該要給予支持 對不對好 那我先請教一下本席有看到一個新聞是說那個高鐵的年終獎金說會有好消息啊\n那請教現在年終獎金今年確定高鐵會有多少了嗎?我聽到的好消息是他們勞資雙方的溝通順暢這是好消息因為勞方也能接受的狀況底下就是好消息那今年年初因為大家看到是說高鐵的這個績效不錯那連同我們當然看到昨天有新聞是自由坐的一個乘客的糾紛但某種程度上大家現在都講啊\n高鐵你說自由坐禮拜五晚上南下一位南球禮拜天晚上北上一位南球代表大家都坐高鐵非常的多所以今年有可能會比去年的高鐵年終獎金更高嗎?這個我只能跟委員報告數字我不曉得但是勞資雙方的溝通的過程是順暢的那目前他們應該有得到共識什麼時候可以確認?這個要由高鐵公司來說\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n以往是因為台鐵公司它是說是公務體系所以會有1.5個月年終那當然現在公司化了尤其是我現在看到是說明年還是虧損的狀況那台鐵公司的員工那麼辛苦也都是同一批人那麼優秀其實我認識非常多台鐵的基層同仁大家也都很優秀但他們過去的講是說是交通部這個媽媽管太多好像有很多的一個競爭很多的路線不願意讓他們跟高鐵公司來\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n各位委員報告這個年終獎金的部分我們現在公司有兩類的同仁那留任的人員他就是受到條例保障所以他不會有所差異就照以往的方式來發放那另外還有大概5%左右是新進的從業人員那這個要點已經搬下來了所以我們會依據要點的規定要點規定是什麼\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n公務員報告未來絕對有信心但是現在在公司化 這個未來我們看得到嗎?看得到可以在你的任內完成嗎?這個是這樣就是我們不敢回答 公務員報告不是不敢回答今年是我們第一年公司化的第一年我們在第一年的話我們還是有按照我們的進度在走那我也坦白講像今年跟明年我們還是會有虧損的\n那這個虧損會不會影響到這個剛剛講的這個我們從業人員的考程發放這個我們會積極來做處理\n報告委員這個部分要幫台鐵的員工講一句話其實台鐵有一些虧損是因為政策性的政策性造成的虧損是就是台鐵過去到現在因為交通部認為說我們就是台鐵的政策角色是相對來講跟高鐵不同也因此很多的台鐵員工也都認為說很委屈甚至有講是說如果說開放\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n台鐵董事長今年一定會有年終獎金部長這樣承諾那另外中華電信公會現在也有做相關的訴求那跟資方的協商也破局\n目前的狀況,如果說現在工會跟公司沒有辦法有達成一個合理的一個溝通的話,我們交通部有沒有什麼方法可以來協助?報告委員,因為中華電信是上市櫃公司,我們要尊重他們的公司治理,不過我們還是要呼籲啦,資方跟勞方要好好去協調去協商,不要影響到民眾。他是上市櫃公司,但是最大股東是交通部啊。是,所以我們的態度上希望勞方跟資方要好好協調。我們部,董事長總經理也是交通部派的啊。\n法人代表所以說我們現在講的是說當這些事情都是過去沒有發生或是過去發生的時候交通部有比較積極的主導角色那我們現在也看到要求的是合理的部分讓所有的工會的\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n那之前我記得我看到計畫是114年啊所以你們是114年就要開始做計畫的一個啟動那還有我也要求在既有油槽遷移的這個啟動開始計畫評估之後原本的油槽遷移的那一塊用地也就是在巴黎台北港港內的這塊用地要做後續的規劃使用這一個部分也要一併的有計畫\n我們都按照這個期程在進行大概115年那把那個旋律設施往外移繼續規劃那一塊我也特別讓部長了解部長您的轄區任內很多的商港臺北港是重中之重\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.143 --> 00:03.107\n好,主席謝謝,麻煩請陳世凱部長請陳部長\n\n00:14.289 --> 00:39.648\n好陳部長延續剛剛幾個委員大家關心的話題啦我想交通部身為中央主管機關台鐵、高鐵現在都是公司化了對來講應該沒有大小眼吧只要是公司能夠服務所有的鄉親民眾讓2350萬人的交通更提升都應該要給予支持對不對好那我先請教一下本席有看到一個新聞是說那個高鐵的年終獎金說會有好消息啊\n\n00:40.228 --> 01:02.735\n那請教現在年終獎金今年確定高鐵會有多少了嗎?我聽到的好消息是他們勞資雙方的溝通順暢這是好消息因為勞方也能接受的狀況底下就是好消息那今年年初因為大家看到是說高鐵的這個績效不錯那連同我們當然看到昨天有新聞是自由坐的一個乘客的糾紛但某種程度上大家現在都講啊\n\n01:03.095 --> 01:28.953\n高鐵你說自由坐禮拜五晚上南下一位南球禮拜天晚上北上一位南球代表大家都坐高鐵非常的多所以今年有可能會比去年的高鐵年終獎金更高嗎?這個我只能跟委員報告數字我不曉得但是勞資雙方的溝通的過程是順暢的那目前他們應該有得到共識什麼時候可以確認?這個要由高鐵公司來說\n\n01:30.964 --> 01:32.045\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n01:51.195 --> 02:20.075\n以往是因為台鐵公司它是說是公務體系所以會有1.5個月年終那當然現在公司化了尤其是我現在看到是說明年還是虧損的狀況那台鐵公司的員工那麼辛苦也都是同一批人那麼優秀其實我認識非常多台鐵的基層同仁大家也都很優秀但他們過去的講是說是交通部這個媽媽管太多好像有很多的一個競爭很多的路線不願意讓他們跟高鐵公司來\n\n02:20.815 --> 02:24.316\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n02:45.603 --> 03:11.657\n各位委員報告這個年終獎金的部分我們現在公司有兩類的同仁那留任的人員他就是受到條例保障所以他不會有所差異就照以往的方式來發放那另外還有大概5%左右是新進的從業人員那這個要點已經搬下來了所以我們會依據要點的規定要點規定是什麼\n\n03:11.997 --> 03:14.460\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n03:26.755 --> 03:28.117\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n03:47.498 --> 03:49.219\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n04:12.759 --> 04:39.522\n公務員報告未來絕對有信心但是現在在公司化這個未來我們看得到嗎?看得到可以在你的任內完成嗎?這個是這樣就是我們不敢回答公務員報告不是不敢回答今年是我們第一年公司化的第一年我們在第一年的話我們還是有按照我們的進度在走那我也坦白講像今年跟明年我們還是會有虧損的\n\n04:40.603 --> 04:41.625\n那這個虧損會不會影響到這個剛剛講的這個我們從業人員的考程發放這個我們會積極來做處理\n\n04:51.212 --> 05:13.335\n報告委員這個部分要幫台鐵的員工講一句話其實台鐵有一些虧損是因為政策性的政策性造成的虧損是就是台鐵過去到現在因為交通部認為說我們就是台鐵的政策角色是相對來講跟高鐵不同也因此很多的台鐵員工也都認為說很委屈甚至有講是說如果說開放\n\n05:13.775 --> 05:14.776\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n05:36.627 --> 05:46.812\n台鐵董事長今年一定會有年終獎金部長這樣承諾那另外中華電信公會現在也有做相關的訴求那跟資方的協商也破局\n\n05:48.516 --> 06:15.608\n目前的狀況,如果說現在工會跟公司沒有辦法有達成一個合理的一個溝通的話,我們交通部有沒有什麼方法可以來協助?報告委員,因為中華電信是上市櫃公司,我們要尊重他們的公司治理,不過我們還是要呼籲啦,資方跟勞方要好好去協調去協商,不要影響到民眾。他是上市櫃公司,但是最大股東是交通部啊。是,所以我們的態度上希望勞方跟資方要好好協調。我們部,董事長總經理也是交通部派的啊。\n\n06:17.870 --> 06:33.249\n法人代表所以說我們現在講的是說當這些事情都是過去沒有發生或是過去發生的時候交通部有比較積極的主導角色那我們現在也看到要求的是合理的部分讓所有的工會的\n\n06:33.669 --> 06:34.670\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n06:53.283 --> 06:56.626\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n07:15.259 --> 07:19.360\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n07:36.764 --> 08:01.154\n那之前我記得我看到計畫是114年啊所以你們是114年就要開始做計畫的一個啟動那還有我也要求在既有油槽遷移的這個啟動開始計畫評估之後原本的油槽遷移的那一塊用地也就是在巴黎台北港港內的這塊用地要做後續的規劃使用這一個部分也要一併的有計畫\n\n08:04.632 --> 08:25.023\n我們都按照這個期程在進行大概115年那把那個旋律設施往外移繼續規劃那一塊我也特別讓部長了解部長您的轄區任內很多的商港臺北港是重中之重\n\n08:25.603 --> 08:29.445\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。\n\n","segments":[{"start":2.143,"end":3.107,"text":"好,主席謝謝,麻煩請陳世凱部長請陳部長"},{"start":14.289,"end":39.648,"text":"好 陳部長 延續剛剛幾個委員大家關心的話題啦我想交通部身為中央主管機關台鐵、高鐵現在都是公司化了對來講應該沒有大小眼吧只要是公司能夠服務所有的鄉親民眾讓2350萬人的交通更提升都應該要給予支持 對不對好 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