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00:02:08,778\n那我們這個目前大概內部討論的一個這個結果按照目前的這個量的話應該啦在2030這個時間點之前的話應該都還能夠維護這個還能夠維持這個免徵契纜費這樣子的一個這個誘因啦\n\n7\n00:02:16,002 --> 00:02:28,620\n所以我們是站在鼓勵電動車的發展那同時考量到我們財政收支的狀況來訂定這個哪時候要開徵嘛所以你們現在當然是未來市場不知道但是就算現在每年大概都是\n\n8\n00:02:29,690 --> 00:02:51,509\n今年的銷量大概是去年的1.5倍對差不多那明年大概會是今年的如果說抓1.5倍的話你們照這樣子的比例來算的話到2030年都還是你們可以負擔的範圍對我們初步這個估算到2030年應該還不會實質影響到這是目前的估算那如果委員您剛剛所提醒的就是說它增加的速度如果太快我們總是\n\n9\n00:02:52,530 --> 00:02:53,831\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n10\n00:03:07,408 --> 00:03:14,191\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n11\n00:03:32,759 --> 00:03:34,540\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n12\n00:03:50,518 --> 00:04:05,035\n財政部來問我們交通部的立場那電動車它課稅的方式的計算方式要比照過去嗎還是希望有一個定一個新的方向這個部分我跟委員報告一下其實就是說即使不談現行這一個就是說免徵稅費的部分\n\n13\n00:04:05,575 --> 00:04:10,859\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n14\n00:04:31,553 --> 00:04:37,216\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部航港建設基金非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務\n\n15\n00:05:01,371 --> 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