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00:01:55,333\n是否針對我們移工的死亡的申請的制度還有說我們的資訊如何讓大家可以更方便\n\n7\n00:01:56,686 --> 00:02:15,554\n呃跟賣人說明齁我覺得你因為你這邊提到幾個個案那如果你有相關的資訊可以讓我們多瞭解啦齁因為就是說不是指個案而已啦齁因為我在92年就成立協會數到現在你是勞工的代表應該你是很瞭解勞工這個部分所以才要請教你齁\n\n8\n00:02:16,895 --> 00:02:19,836\n因為我們是在臺灣移工在臺灣的保險跟我們的臺灣的勞工的保險有一些出入不是一樣的所以這個部分如果一樣的話就是有勞退這些的制度但是事實上完全是有不一樣外國的移工跟臺灣的勞工\n\n9\n00:02:41,062 --> 00:02:57,382\n的勞健保是有不一樣的所以有不一樣就有非常不一樣你講的是申請的程序吧是程序上面程序還是說他們的保障所以說不一樣的如果一樣的話就是有勞退這一些有一些不一樣\n\n10\n00:02:58,723 --> 00:03:07,230\n就說因為我想要更清楚瞭解那個脈人現在指的那個不一樣是你提的那個不一樣的點因為不一樣的點是說我們是外國移工他們在台灣他有他們的勞基法不同跟台灣的\n\n11\n00:03:16,658 --> 00:03:30,147\n來灣的臺灣人的勞工的勞基法有一點出入,這個部分的話應該是你們很清楚,但是你們說一樣,我是看到的是不一樣,但是說我現在想要跟大家說的,\n\n12\n00:03:31,468 --> 00:03:34,291\n我們是在家屬在國外申請我們是要從105年到後面還有前面的賠償都不一樣還有他們申請的方法也不一樣還有他們的家屬只要說他太太\n\n13\n00:03:52,551 --> 00:04:07,151\n結婚他們家裡就是可以領小孩子可以領到18歲只要說他的太太沒有結婚他可以領但是問題我們沒有一個部門也沒有一個透明的資訊\n\n14\n00:04:08,192 --> 00:04:12,175\n讓這些人從國外如何再說他證明每年都要證明你們才有去補助但是說在國外沒有一個部門可以申訴也沒有一個部門專門為這些外國人他已經在台灣死亡了但是他的家屬如何去申請\n\n15\n00:04:27,285 --> 00:04:29,947\n公務及基金預算案關於勞動部部長列席報告業務概況．三、審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案關於勞動部部長列席報告業務．僅\n\n16\n00:04:56,241 --> 00:05:19,643\n要他們的顧主要蓋章但是問題如果他們顧主沒有蓋章他們也申請不到所以後續的發展是完全是他們繳10年10幾年但是他們家屬是沒辦法逐年領到這樣子的經費所以這個是百分之百是事實所以說你們要拿出這樣子的書面給我回答一下好不好\n\n17\n00:05:21,024 --> 00:05:40,018\n跟委員報告就是移工跟本國的被保險人的相關權益在保險上面都一模一樣。如果是一模一樣是賠償一樣的嗎?是不是?賠償一樣所以他們你們怎麼保證他們繳這個錢他們是賠償是有真正的拿到的?\n\n18\n00:05:40,748 --> 00:06:02,127\n那就是說移工在國外如果是拿的是外國的一些文件的話就需要認證就只有這樣沒有不是認證的問題認證是這邊有什麼單位直接因為我們在台灣我們每年家人可以跟勞動部去申請就是撫養小孩就是勞保的部分到18歲\n\n19\n00:06:03,909 --> 00:06:15,201\n但是他的太太要證明他沒有結婚才可以領但是如果他在他的國家已經結婚了要拿出證明他沒有結婚但是你們每年怎麼去撥款怎麼樣說保證他們可以領到18歲是完全沒有任何去管理或者制度如果是你們說有的話\n\n20\n00:06:25,732 --> 00:06:44,521\n希望那麼多年的拿出這樣子的證明你們真的有照這樣的制度以來去撥補還是說補助他們的因為我現在是很多人跟我們反映是他們人已經死亡在台灣了但是他的家人三年五年後沒有人協助他們是領不到的\n\n21\n00:06:47,263 --> 00:07:01,230\n我請相關單位來跟辦公室再瞭解一下細節尤其是你收到的案件的這些細節那如果有哪些部分在申請的程序上面需要我們的業務單位多做一點協助的部分我請他們來做協助\n\n22\n00:07:02,210 --> 00:07:20,358\n我希望說你把所有就是各國的死亡率他你們多補還是補助他們的有多少有哪一些沒辦法做到的不是只有個案跟你們說明所以我們希望的勞動部是要建立一個友善就是可以申請還有協助簡化的賠償這樣子的一個機制還有就是\n\n23\n00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:48,470\n不同國家的議員這樣子的話他們才會知道說找哪一個部門這個部分不是只有我個案要去申訴而已我希望是說你們拿出就是這個資料因為我在協會裡面我一年協助移工你們沒有處理的我們是協助處理的包含失聯移工超過30件\n\n24\n00:07:50,170 --> 00:07:56,174\n每年吶所以這個部分我們希望說你們拿出來說你們逐年你們有賠償還有說你們已經是每年都有給他們家屬賠償的資料有哪一些沒有做到有哪一些做到的我希望就是完整的資料給我可以嗎\n\n25\n00:08:08,220 --> 00:08:33,844\n非常謝謝委員關心但會後我們會把就是針對剛才提到外國人跟本國人他給付權益是相同那的確我們在這幾年的確也有外國人就像包含移工他們會來申請給付的一個給付請領狀況這一部分我們會提供給委員做參考那另外這邊做一個補充說明就是說我們現在為了也考量到說相關的移工可能會有語言上面的一個問題所以我們現在已經在網路上我們有建構四國語言\n\n26\n00:08:34,964 --> 00:08:58,516\n中文及英文,另外我們也跟發展署這邊有職聘中心都有來做合作,所以這個部分我希望就是你用一個書面給我,更完整的,還有第二個就是時間的關係,我希望說因為我們上一次有說我們是來台灣我們是有看護,但是我們家用的移工到目前為止是沒有勞保,\n\n27\n00:08:59,657 --> 00:09:11,540\n所以這個部分我們希望我們這個部長上任的時候因爲上一次我們的部長有答應說要怎麼樣去研議把這件事情因爲你看我們執政對那是沒有納入勞保我們是家用的沒有勞保是自願的\n\n28\n00:09:18,802 --> 00:09:39,347\n不是這個跟志願沒有家事移工上目前為止目前為止是他們沒有就是沒有健保健保有勞保沒有健保像我們之前就是地震還有水災有移工因為照顧阿公阿嬤他用他的身體來去擋\n\n29\n00:09:40,507 --> 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面給我,更完整的,還有第二個就是時間的關係,我希望說因為我們上一次有說我們是來台灣我們是有看護,但是我們家用的移工到目前為止是沒有勞保,\n所以這個部分我們希望我們這個部長上任的時候因爲上一次我們的部長有答應說要怎麼樣去研議把這件事情因爲你看我們執政對那是沒有納入勞保我們是家用的沒有勞保是自願的\n不是這個跟志願沒有家事移工上目前為止目前為止是他們沒有就是沒有健保健保有勞保沒有健保像我們之前就是地震還有水災有移工因為照顧阿公阿嬤他用他的身體來去擋\n公務及基金預算：一、邀請勞動部部長列席報告業務概況：一、審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算：僅\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.109 --> 00:24.939\n預算委員發言。好,謝謝我們召委。有請部長。有請部長。邁委好。\n\n00:27.163 --> 00:39.174\n請教一下我們台灣有70萬的移工。請教一下我們台灣的勞工跟我們的移工的勞健保的制度有一樣嗎?\n\n00:42.296 --> 01:08.601\n請教你一下因為這個你對勞工是很清楚的嘛所以要請教你一下有一樣嗎我想是勞工的話都會有勞健保對但是說移工跟勞工的勞保勞健保的制度有一樣嗎移工也是勞工啊是啊有沒有一樣啊你說有沒有一樣就是都會有勞健保啊是啊都有啊但是有沒有一樣啊給付也一樣啊那麼簡單回答不了給付也是一樣的\n\n01:09.437 --> 01:13.801\n起伏也是一樣的。你說起伏一樣,所以賠償也是一樣的嗎?\n\n01:17.835 --> 01:44.195\n老保4張嗎?賠償是一樣的嗎?所以我們賠償是一樣的話但是如果我們的移工死亡的時候所以我們國外的家屬要申請保險這些的理賠的過程的因素我們覺得是資訊就是不透明還有行政的部分有一點困難所以請教一下這樣子的\n\n01:45.556 --> 01:55.333\n是否針對我們移工的死亡的申請的制度還有說我們的資訊如何讓大家可以更方便\n\n01:56.686 --> 02:15.554\n呃跟賣人說明齁我覺得你因為你這邊提到幾個個案那如果你有相關的資訊可以讓我們多瞭解啦齁因為就是說不是指個案而已啦齁因為我在92年就成立協會數到現在你是勞工的代表應該你是很瞭解勞工這個部分所以才要請教你齁\n\n02:16.895 --> 02:19.836\n因為我們是在臺灣移工在臺灣的保險跟我們的臺灣的勞工的保險有一些出入不是一樣的所以這個部分如果一樣的話就是有勞退這些的制度但是事實上完全是有不一樣外國的移工跟臺灣的勞工\n\n02:41.062 --> 02:57.382\n的勞健保是有不一樣的所以有不一樣就有非常不一樣你講的是申請的程序吧是程序上面程序還是說他們的保障所以說不一樣的如果一樣的話就是有勞退這一些有一些不一樣\n\n02:58.723 --> 03:07.230\n就說因為我想要更清楚瞭解那個脈人現在指的那個不一樣是你提的那個不一樣的點因為不一樣的點是說我們是外國移工他們在台灣他有他們的勞基法不同跟台灣的\n\n03:16.658 --> 03:30.147\n來灣的臺灣人的勞工的勞基法有一點出入,這個部分的話應該是你們很清楚,但是你們說一樣,我是看到的是不一樣,但是說我現在想要跟大家說的,\n\n03:31.468 --> 03:34.291\n我們是在家屬在國外申請我們是要從105年到後面還有前面的賠償都不一樣還有他們申請的方法也不一樣還有他們的家屬只要說他太太\n\n03:52.551 --> 04:07.151\n結婚他們家裡就是可以領小孩子可以領到18歲只要說他的太太沒有結婚他可以領但是問題我們沒有一個部門也沒有一個透明的資訊\n\n04:08.192 --> 04:12.175\n讓這些人從國外如何再說他證明每年都要證明你們才有去補助但是說在國外沒有一個部門可以申訴也沒有一個部門專門為這些外國人他已經在台灣死亡了但是他的家屬如何去申請\n\n04:27.285 --> 04:29.947\n公務及基金預算案關於勞動部部長列席報告業務概況．三、審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案關於勞動部部長列席報告業務．僅\n\n04:56.241 --> 05:19.643\n要他們的顧主要蓋章但是問題如果他們顧主沒有蓋章他們也申請不到所以後續的發展是完全是他們繳10年10幾年但是他們家屬是沒辦法逐年領到這樣子的經費所以這個是百分之百是事實所以說你們要拿出這樣子的書面給我回答一下好不好\n\n05:21.024 --> 05:40.018\n跟委員報告就是移工跟本國的被保險人的相關權益在保險上面都一模一樣。如果是一模一樣是賠償一樣的嗎?是不是?賠償一樣所以他們你們怎麼保證他們繳這個錢他們是賠償是有真正的拿到的?\n\n05:40.748 --> 06:02.127\n那就是說移工在國外如果是拿的是外國的一些文件的話就需要認證就只有這樣沒有不是認證的問題認證是這邊有什麼單位直接因為我們在台灣我們每年家人可以跟勞動部去申請就是撫養小孩就是勞保的部分到18歲\n\n06:03.909 --> 06:15.201\n但是他的太太要證明他沒有結婚才可以領但是如果他在他的國家已經結婚了要拿出證明他沒有結婚但是你們每年怎麼去撥款怎麼樣說保證他們可以領到18歲是完全沒有任何去管理或者制度如果是你們說有的話\n\n06:25.732 --> 06:44.521\n希望那麼多年的拿出這樣子的證明你們真的有照這樣的制度以來去撥補還是說補助他們的因為我現在是很多人跟我們反映是他們人已經死亡在台灣了但是他的家人三年五年後沒有人協助他們是領不到的\n\n06:47.263 --> 07:01.230\n我請相關單位來跟辦公室再瞭解一下細節尤其是你收到的案件的這些細節那如果有哪些部分在申請的程序上面需要我們的業務單位多做一點協助的部分我請他們來做協助\n\n07:02.210 --> 07:20.358\n我希望說你把所有就是各國的死亡率他你們多補還是補助他們的有多少有哪一些沒辦法做到的不是只有個案跟你們說明所以我們希望的勞動部是要建立一個友善就是可以申請還有協助簡化的賠償這樣子的一個機制還有就是\n\n07:25.760 --> 07:48.470\n不同國家的議員這樣子的話他們才會知道說找哪一個部門這個部分不是只有我個案要去申訴而已我希望是說你們拿出就是這個資料因為我在協會裡面我一年協助移工你們沒有處理的我們是協助處理的包含失聯移工超過30件\n\n07:50.170 --> 07:56.174\n每年吶所以這個部分我們希望說你們拿出來說你們逐年你們有賠償還有說你們已經是每年都有給他們家屬賠償的資料有哪一些沒有做到有哪一些做到的我希望就是完整的資料給我可以嗎\n\n08:08.220 --> 08:33.844\n非常謝謝委員關心但會後我們會把就是針對剛才提到外國人跟本國人他給付權益是相同那的確我們在這幾年的確也有外國人就像包含移工他們會來申請給付的一個給付請領狀況這一部分我們會提供給委員做參考那另外這邊做一個補充說明就是說我們現在為了也考量到說相關的移工可能會有語言上面的一個問題所以我們現在已經在網路上我們有建構四國語言\n\n08:34.964 --> 08:58.516\n中文及英文,另外我們也跟發展署這邊有職聘中心都有來做合作,所以這個部分我希望就是你用一個書面給我,更完整的,還有第二個就是時間的關係,我希望說因為我們上一次有說我們是來台灣我們是有看護,但是我們家用的移工到目前為止是沒有勞保,\n\n08:59.657 --> 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