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00:00:18,028\n謝謝主席。來有請部長。來請部長。畫面好。部長好。第一個事情是說為了要搞清楚前部長許明春\n\n2\n00:00:19,181 --> 00:00:47,086\n花了300多萬去辦個的演唱會錢到底從哪裡來然後我拜託我們的勞動部的同仁我在11月25號發文請他們提供總共有三個廣告媒體宣傳費用的案子我沒有請勞動部的同仁做任何多的事情我只有拜託一件事情拜託的是把這個結案報告交給我\n\n3\n00:00:48,499 --> 00:01:12,367\n我只有請他們給我結案報告我11月25號一直跟他們要我辦公室的同仁一直跟勞動部的同仁溝通到12月9號我才拿到有需要這麼久嗎部長可不可以拜託勞動部的同仁如果我今天要勞動部的同仁做新的分析做新的統計做新的工作\n\n4\n00:01:14,805 --> 00:01:40,470\n這樣的時間我可以接受,但我只是請他們把他們早就拿到的驗收報告轉交給我,可以不要拖這麼久嗎?那個華為你指的應該是驗收報告啊?是!這個早就有電子版啦!就我知道應該是已經提供了。對啊!12月9號才提供啊!12月9號才提供啊!這樣子壓時間的意義在哪裡?我老實講啦!我不是很清楚。\n\n5\n00:01:42,548 --> 00:02:05,897\n壓縮我們整個閱讀的時間我到今天早上才拿到這個報告今天要選答我到今天早上才拿到這個報告我簡單的來看就安定基金媒體業務宣傳費用我們從過去這幾年看一億一千\n\n6\n00:02:07,881 --> 00:02:32,475\n九百六十八萬一億四千八百多萬一億七千多萬兩億七千多萬一路跌高啊我非常好奇啊以前除了三百多萬被署名村拿去開演唱會以外錢到底怎麼花的就安定基金是不是應該這樣花因為我最近真的收到太多\n\n7\n00:02:35,031 --> 00:03:01,219\n生疏電話有很多家庭啊他們家裡需要找移工來幫忙每個月省吃減用再繳就業安定基金就有錢怎麼花的來我先代部長看一下過去這些錢怎麼花的您開始了解了嗎有我有跟業務單位有來了解好來你有了解來我們先來看2022年包給民視的\n\n8\n00:03:04,738 --> 00:03:09,562\n一隻八分鐘的飲袋花一千萬,部長你覺得妥適嗎?一隻八分鐘的飲袋花一千萬,部長你覺得妥適嗎?\n\n9\n00:03:22,317 --> 00:03:36,469\n我沒有要壓低齁這些辛苦的演藝同仁他們的薪資啊但我嚴重懷疑啊有多少錢是掉到他們的口袋裡啊一支袋子花一千萬八分鐘的袋子適合嗎不是一千萬這個片子是六百多萬\n\n10\n00:03:45,385 --> 00:03:54,175\n這個片子是600多萬還有其他的餒你講的是那個本身的拍攝費嘛整個加起來的project不是1000萬嗎我有說錯嗎\n\n11\n00:04:00,707 --> 00:04:26,235\n第一個我是要先說剛剛我們市長其實在講當然是指說這個片子本身的製作費用啦對不對製作費用600多萬嘛好來提到行銷那我們就來看行銷嘛對不起我一樣一樣來啦YT看13萬次喔看13萬次留言只有19折部長你知道這代表什麼意思嗎\n\n12\n00:04:28,270 --> 00:04:41,085\n我不是專家任何有在YT上面看影帶的看13萬次如果留言只有19折代表什麼這個量全部都是用廣告衝起來的下廣告把它衝起來的\n\n13\n00:04:45,595 --> 00:05:01,986\n這一看就知道了嘛要不然一支影帶13萬次觀看只有19個留言這個量是虛的但更讓我震驚的是什麼更讓我震驚的在報表上面YT的廣告費下了101萬在YT上面下101萬元的廣告結果觀看次數只有13萬次真的有下101萬元的廣告嗎\n\n14\n00:05:14,950 --> 00:05:30,183\n還是福報?我不相信啊!你一字帶子拍得再爛你在YT上面下了101萬的廣告結果觀看次數只有13萬次19個留言啊這怎麼執行的?這怎麼做的?\n\n15\n00:05:38,634 --> 00:06:05,482\n這不是只有檢討而已啊這不是只有檢討而已啊拜託請負責執行的民事文化事業股份有限公司好好地跟勞動部解釋為什麼下101萬的廣告觀看次數只有13萬次下廣告的評單交出來是不是真的有下101萬的廣告是不是真的有下100萬的廣告否則觀看次數怎麼會只有13萬次\n\n16\n00:06:09,775 --> 00:06:34,306\n我今天要要求勞動部的是過去這幾年所有這些廣告文宣支出這些驗收報告你們如果有花時間看你不可能這麼離譜的報告可以驗收通過我再說一次你如果有花時間看你不可能這麼離譜的驗收報告你有辦法讓他驗收過\n\n17\n00:06:38,462 --> 00:06:45,668\n我早上忙得不得了我同仁跟我講報告今天早上還交來我很快的速度看過去啊我看的是瞠目結舌啊一支八分鐘的影帶製作家廣告一千萬下一百萬YT的廣告FB的廣告下二十萬結果觀看次數啊完全不等比例除了這個以外還有什麼來我再帶部長看\n\n18\n00:07:08,237 --> 00:07:29,374\n公益路跑形象宣傳形象拍攝文宣我看這個公益路跑這個宣傳形象拍攝文宣我看了這個名字取得很好聽啊我趕快裡面看什麼看原來這個執行計畫只有一件事啊就幫我們的阿村部長拍沙龍照沒有別的了就幫我們的阿村部長拍沙龍照沒有別的了\n\n19\n00:07:35,273 --> 00:07:38,416\n就業安定基金可以這樣花嗎?請教部長。跟華源說明我沒有辦法接受。你也沒有辦法接受嘛。好來我們再往下看。在勞動部的會議室辦記者會要37.9萬。我一天到晚在開記者會的人啊。\n\n20\n00:08:00,489 --> 00:08:17,002\n我隨便租一個會議室啊開一場記者會要花38萬我那時候看到這個金額我嚇一跳我想說是去什麼大飯店啊租大廳啊設廠有燈光音響設備開一場記者會38萬結果是要勞動部的會議室辦記者會一場記者會要38萬就業安定基金可以這樣花嗎請教部長\n\n21\n00:08:29,485 --> 00:08:35,990\n就我所知這場當然你還有包括過明星的邀請這明星的參與跟邀請的部分有包括在這裡面嗎?\n\n22\n00:08:39,396 --> 00:09:06,954\n就把它寫上去嘛!因為我看到的總表是什麼?我看到的總表是只有一個Long-Sum的金額跟委員報告因為當天我們特別請了那個許富凱那個歌手因為他是算在這歌手是比較價錢我們看你們沒有寫我們再來給他補充上去花多少錢?這細項我們回去再來對嘛國會給你們要就是要細項嘛\n\n23\n00:09:08,444 --> 00:09:13,108\n你寫那麼粗一場38萬的記者會值得花這樣的錢嗎?值得花這樣的錢嗎?請教部長錢可以這樣花嗎?\n\n24\n00:09:21,055 --> 00:09:48,244\n那個跟黃偉報告現在確實在救安基金整體的支用的內容上面我們已經請同仁在做檢討了那我確實看到了一些其實不管是他支用的這個預算的金額或者是他相關開出來的規格上面我絕對會有一些地方會讓大家覺得這個社會觀感不好的地方我這樣講這不是只有社會觀感不好這個是會讓納稅人憤怒的東西\n\n25\n00:09:51,741 --> 00:10:01,351\n這是他要納稅的憤怒的東西啊年代一千萬三立一千萬民視一千萬這是我們政府跟媒體的關係你如果裡面的內容很充實\n\n26\n00:10:11,618 --> 00:10:37,069\n可能或許您所講的觀感不好當內容長成這個樣子的時候恐怕不是內容觀感不好就可以解釋的你說勞動部要檢討沒有關係啊檢討好好檢討檢討不要只有空話我具體請教部長你要往前檢討幾年每一個年度的檢討報告\n\n27\n00:10:38,772 --> 00:10:58,505\n有沒有人要移檢察院有沒有人要移檢調這種密度的檢討勞動部需要多久我們現在主要是針對這個在機制面如果有漏洞的部分我講的不是機制面啦不好意思我講的是執行面啦因為我這樣說好了啦這種結案報告如果是我驗收我不會讓他過\n\n28\n00:11:05,083 --> 00:11:16,248\n我不會讓他過但勞動部的標準可能不一樣我要檢討的是這個事情啊不是只有機制面的事情啊前面錢落花就算了喔所以只檢討機制面是怎麼樣前面錢落花就算了嘛當然不是那如果當然不是的話所以我才具體的請教你嘛檢討不要只有空話嘛你要檢討幾年需要多久給大家一個時間啊\n\n29\n00:11:35,316 --> 00:11:36,256\n給大家一個時間嘛我們三個月的時間三個月的時間喔需要三個月的時間來檢討出來要檢討幾年2023年2022年2021年要檢討幾年要三個月\n\n30\n00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:23,310\n我們減少前後五年的時間。前後五年?三個月的時間?好!三個月的時間。第一個,請勞動部會後提供資料。這個YT的廣告,下一百萬的憑證,請交出來。請交出來,太違反常識了。YT下了一百萬的廣告,觀看次數只有13萬次。我必須要老實講啊,書難想像。\n\n31\n00:12:28,786 --> 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00:13:04,859\n可以嗎?我們會來問許前部長。好!\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n8503\t18028\t謝謝主席。來有請部長。來請部長。畫面好。部長好。第一個事情是說為了要搞清楚前部長許明春\n19181\t47086\t花了300多萬去辦個的演唱會錢到底從哪裡來然後我拜託我們的勞動部的同仁我在11月25號發文請他們提供總共有三個廣告媒體宣傳費用的案子我沒有請勞動部的同仁做任何多的事情我只有拜託一件事情拜託的是把這個結案報告交給我\n48499\t72367\t我只有請他們給我結案報告我11月25號一直跟他們要我辦公室的同仁一直跟勞動部的同仁溝通到12月9號我才拿到有需要這麼久嗎部長可不可以拜託勞動部的同仁如果我今天要勞動部的同仁做新的分析做新的統計做新的工作\n74805\t100470\t這樣的時間我可以接受,但我只是請他們把他們早就拿到的驗收報告轉交給我,可以不要拖這麼久嗎?那個華為你指的應該是驗收報告啊?是!這個早就有電子版啦!就我知道應該是已經提供了。對啊!12月9號才提供啊!12月9號才提供啊!這樣子壓時間的意義在哪裡?我老實講啦!我不是很清楚。\n102548\t125897\t壓縮我們整個閱讀的時間我到今天早上才拿到這個報告今天要選答我到今天早上才拿到這個報告我簡單的來看就安定基金媒體業務宣傳費用我們從過去這幾年看一億一千\n127881\t152475\t九百六十八萬一億四千八百多萬一億七千多萬兩億七千多萬一路跌高啊我非常好奇啊以前除了三百多萬被署名村拿去開演唱會以外錢到底怎麼花的就安定基金是不是應該這樣花因為我最近真的收到太多\n155031\t181219\t生疏電話有很多家庭啊他們家裡需要找移工來幫忙每個月省吃減用再繳就業安定基金就有錢怎麼花的來我先代部長看一下過去這些錢怎麼花的您開始了解了嗎有我有跟業務單位有來了解好來你有了解來我們先來看2022年包給民視的\n184738\t189562\t一隻八分鐘的飲袋花一千萬,部長你覺得妥適嗎?一隻八分鐘的飲袋花一千萬,部長你覺得妥適嗎?\n202317\t216469\t我沒有要壓低齁這些辛苦的演藝同仁他們的薪資啊但我嚴重懷疑啊有多少錢是掉到他們的口袋裡啊一支袋子花一千萬八分鐘的袋子適合嗎不是一千萬這個片子是六百多萬\n225385\t234175\t這個片子是600多萬還有其他的餒你講的是那個本身的拍攝費嘛整個加起來的project不是1000萬嗎我有說錯嗎\n240707\t266235\t第一個我是要先說剛剛我們市長其實在講當然是指說這個片子本身的製作費用啦 對不對製作費用600多萬嘛好來提到行銷那我們就來看行銷嘛對不起我一樣一樣來啦YT看13萬次喔看13萬次留言只有19折部長你知道這代表什麼意思嗎\n268270\t281085\t我不是專家任何有在YT上面看影帶的看13萬次如果留言只有19折代表什麼這個量全部都是用廣告衝起來的下廣告把它衝起來的\n285595\t301986\t這一看就知道了嘛要不然一支影帶13萬次觀看只有19個留言這個量是虛的但更讓我震驚的是什麼更讓我震驚的在報表上面YT的廣告費下了101萬在YT上面下101萬元的廣告結果觀看次數只有13萬次真的有下101萬元的廣告嗎\n314950\t330183\t還是福報?我不相信啊!你一字帶子拍得再爛你在YT上面下了101萬的廣告結果觀看次數只有13萬次19個留言啊這怎麼執行的?這怎麼做的?\n338634\t365482\t這不是只有檢討而已啊這不是只有檢討而已啊拜託請負責執行的民事文化事業股份有限公司好好地跟勞動部解釋為什麼下101萬的廣告觀看次數只有13萬次下廣告的評單交出來是不是真的有下101萬的廣告是不是真的有下100萬的廣告否則觀看次數怎麼會只有13萬次\n369775\t394306\t我今天要要求勞動部的是過去這幾年所有這些廣告文宣支出這些驗收報告你們如果有花時間看你不可能這麼離譜的報告可以驗收通過我再說一次你如果有花時間看你不可能這麼離譜的驗收報告你有辦法讓他驗收過\n398462\t405668\t我早上忙得不得了我同仁跟我講報告今天早上還交來我很快的速度看過去啊我看的是瞠目結舌啊一支八分鐘的影帶製作家廣告一千萬下一百萬YT的廣告FB的廣告下二十萬結果觀看次數啊完全不等比例除了這個以外還有什麼來我再帶部長看\n428237\t449374\t公益路跑形象宣傳形象拍攝文宣我看這個公益路跑這個宣傳形象拍攝文宣我看了這個名字取得很好聽啊我趕快裡面看什麼看原來這個執行計畫只有一件事啊就幫我們的阿村部長拍沙龍照沒有別的了就幫我們的阿村部長拍沙龍照沒有別的了\n455273\t458416\t就業安定基金可以這樣花嗎?請教部長。跟華源說明我沒有辦法接受。你也沒有辦法接受嘛。好來我們再往下看。在勞動部的會議室辦記者會要37.9萬。我一天到晚在開記者會的人啊。\n480489\t497002\t我隨便租一個會議室啊開一場記者會要花38萬我那時候看到這個金額我嚇一跳我想說是去什麼大飯店啊租大廳啊設廠有燈光音響設備開一場記者會38萬結果是要勞動部的會議室辦記者會一場記者會要38萬就業安定基金可以這樣花嗎請教部長\n509485\t515990\t就我所知這場當然你還有包括過明星的邀請這明星的參與跟邀請的部分有包括在這裡面嗎?\n519396\t546954\t就把它寫上去嘛!因為我看到的總表是什麼?我看到的總表是只有一個Long-Sum的金額跟委員報告因為當天我們特別請了那個許富凱那個歌手因為他是算在這歌手是比較價錢我們看你們沒有寫我們再來給他補充上去花多少錢?這細項我們回去再來對嘛國會給你們要就是要細項嘛\n548444\t553108\t你寫那麼粗一場38萬的記者會值得花這樣的錢嗎?值得花這樣的錢嗎?請教部長錢可以這樣花嗎?\n561055\t588244\t那個跟黃偉報告現在確實在救安基金整體的支用的內容上面我們已經請同仁在做檢討了那我確實看到了一些其實不管是他支用的這個預算的金額或者是他相關開出來的規格上面我絕對會有一些地方會讓大家覺得這個社會觀感不好的地方我這樣講這不是只有社會觀感不好這個是會讓納稅人憤怒的東西\n591741\t601351\t這是他要納稅的憤怒的東西啊年代一千萬三立一千萬民視一千萬這是我們政府跟媒體的關係你如果裡面的內容很充實\n611618\t637069\t可能或許您所講的觀感不好當內容長成這個樣子的時候恐怕不是內容觀感不好就可以解釋的你說勞動部要檢討沒有關係啊檢討好好檢討檢討不要只有空話我具體請教部長你要往前檢討幾年每一個年度的檢討報告\n638772\t658505\t有沒有人要移檢察院有沒有人要移檢調這種密度的檢討勞動部需要多久我們現在主要是針對這個在機制面如果有漏洞的部分我講的不是機制面啦不好意思我講的是執行面啦因為我這樣說好了啦這種結案報告如果是我驗收我不會讓他過\n665083\t676248\t我不會讓他過但勞動部的標準可能不一樣我要檢討的是這個事情啊不是只有機制面的事情啊前面錢落花就算了喔所以只檢討機制面是怎麼樣前面錢落花就算了嘛當然不是那如果當然不是的話所以我才具體的請教你嘛檢討不要只有空話嘛你要檢討幾年需要多久給大家一個時間啊\n695316\t696256\t給大家一個時間嘛我們三個月的時間三個月的時間喔需要三個月的時間來檢討出來要檢討幾年2023年2022年2021年要檢討幾年要三個月\n720640\t743310\t我們減少前後五年的時間。前後五年?三個月的時間?好!三個月的時間。第一個,請勞動部會後提供資料。這個YT的廣告,下一百萬的憑證,請交出來。請交出來,太違反常識了。YT下了一百萬的廣告,觀看次數只有13萬次。我必須要老實講啊,書難想像。\n748786\t764132\t是真的下了一百萬還是有人灌水一樣FB的廣告下了多少錢把憑證交出來第三個請勞動部去問許明春阿他的殺龍罩憑什麼納稅的買單部長剛剛不是也沒辦法接受嗎問一下許明春阿他的殺龍罩為什麼納稅的買單錢要不要繳回來可以嗎可以嗎\n783695\t784859\t可以嗎?我們會來問許前部長。好!\n","txt":"謝謝主席。來有請部長。來請部長。畫面好。部長好。第一個事情是說為了要搞清楚前部長許明春\n花了300多萬去辦個的演唱會錢到底從哪裡來然後我拜託我們的勞動部的同仁我在11月25號發文請他們提供總共有三個廣告媒體宣傳費用的案子我沒有請勞動部的同仁做任何多的事情我只有拜託一件事情拜託的是把這個結案報告交給我\n我只有請他們給我結案報告我11月25號一直跟他們要我辦公室的同仁一直跟勞動部的同仁溝通到12月9號我才拿到有需要這麼久嗎部長可不可以拜託勞動部的同仁如果我今天要勞動部的同仁做新的分析做新的統計做新的工作\n這樣的時間我可以接受,但我只是請他們把他們早就拿到的驗收報告轉交給我,可以不要拖這麼久嗎?那個華為你指的應該是驗收報告啊?是!這個早就有電子版啦!就我知道應該是已經提供了。對啊!12月9號才提供啊!12月9號才提供啊!這樣子壓時間的意義在哪裡?我老實講啦!我不是很清楚。\n壓縮我們整個閱讀的時間我到今天早上才拿到這個報告今天要選答我到今天早上才拿到這個報告我簡單的來看就安定基金媒體業務宣傳費用我們從過去這幾年看一億一千\n九百六十八萬一億四千八百多萬一億七千多萬兩億七千多萬一路跌高啊我非常好奇啊以前除了三百多萬被署名村拿去開演唱會以外錢到底怎麼花的就安定基金是不是應該這樣花因為我最近真的收到太多\n生疏電話有很多家庭啊他們家裡需要找移工來幫忙每個月省吃減用再繳就業安定基金就有錢怎麼花的來我先代部長看一下過去這些錢怎麼花的您開始了解了嗎有我有跟業務單位有來了解好來你有了解來我們先來看2022年包給民視的\n一隻八分鐘的飲袋花一千萬,部長你覺得妥適嗎?一隻八分鐘的飲袋花一千萬,部長你覺得妥適嗎?\n我沒有要壓低齁這些辛苦的演藝同仁他們的薪資啊但我嚴重懷疑啊有多少錢是掉到他們的口袋裡啊一支袋子花一千萬八分鐘的袋子適合嗎不是一千萬這個片子是六百多萬\n這個片子是600多萬還有其他的餒你講的是那個本身的拍攝費嘛整個加起來的project不是1000萬嗎我有說錯嗎\n第一個我是要先說剛剛我們市長其實在講當然是指說這個片子本身的製作費用啦 對不對製作費用600多萬嘛好來提到行銷那我們就來看行銷嘛對不起我一樣一樣來啦YT看13萬次喔看13萬次留言只有19折部長你知道這代表什麼意思嗎\n我不是專家任何有在YT上面看影帶的看13萬次如果留言只有19折代表什麼這個量全部都是用廣告衝起來的下廣告把它衝起來的\n這一看就知道了嘛要不然一支影帶13萬次觀看只有19個留言這個量是虛的但更讓我震驚的是什麼更讓我震驚的在報表上面YT的廣告費下了101萬在YT上面下101萬元的廣告結果觀看次數只有13萬次真的有下101萬元的廣告嗎\n還是福報?我不相信啊!你一字帶子拍得再爛你在YT上面下了101萬的廣告結果觀看次數只有13萬次19個留言啊這怎麼執行的?這怎麼做的?\n這不是只有檢討而已啊這不是只有檢討而已啊拜託請負責執行的民事文化事業股份有限公司好好地跟勞動部解釋為什麼下101萬的廣告觀看次數只有13萬次下廣告的評單交出來是不是真的有下101萬的廣告是不是真的有下100萬的廣告否則觀看次數怎麼會只有13萬次\n我今天要要求勞動部的是過去這幾年所有這些廣告文宣支出這些驗收報告你們如果有花時間看你不可能這麼離譜的報告可以驗收通過我再說一次你如果有花時間看你不可能這麼離譜的驗收報告你有辦法讓他驗收過\n我早上忙得不得了我同仁跟我講報告今天早上還交來我很快的速度看過去啊我看的是瞠目結舌啊一支八分鐘的影帶製作家廣告一千萬下一百萬YT的廣告FB的廣告下二十萬結果觀看次數啊完全不等比例除了這個以外還有什麼來我再帶部長看\n公益路跑形象宣傳形象拍攝文宣我看這個公益路跑這個宣傳形象拍攝文宣我看了這個名字取得很好聽啊我趕快裡面看什麼看原來這個執行計畫只有一件事啊就幫我們的阿村部長拍沙龍照沒有別的了就幫我們的阿村部長拍沙龍照沒有別的了\n就業安定基金可以這樣花嗎?請教部長。跟華源說明我沒有辦法接受。你也沒有辦法接受嘛。好來我們再往下看。在勞動部的會議室辦記者會要37.9萬。我一天到晚在開記者會的人啊。\n我隨便租一個會議室啊開一場記者會要花38萬我那時候看到這個金額我嚇一跳我想說是去什麼大飯店啊租大廳啊設廠有燈光音響設備開一場記者會38萬結果是要勞動部的會議室辦記者會一場記者會要38萬就業安定基金可以這樣花嗎請教部長\n就我所知這場當然你還有包括過明星的邀請這明星的參與跟邀請的部分有包括在這裡面嗎?\n就把它寫上去嘛!因為我看到的總表是什麼?我看到的總表是只有一個Long-Sum的金額跟委員報告因為當天我們特別請了那個許富凱那個歌手因為他是算在這歌手是比較價錢我們看你們沒有寫我們再來給他補充上去花多少錢?這細項我們回去再來對嘛國會給你們要就是要細項嘛\n你寫那麼粗一場38萬的記者會值得花這樣的錢嗎?值得花這樣的錢嗎?請教部長錢可以這樣花嗎?\n那個跟黃偉報告現在確實在救安基金整體的支用的內容上面我們已經請同仁在做檢討了那我確實看到了一些其實不管是他支用的這個預算的金額或者是他相關開出來的規格上面我絕對會有一些地方會讓大家覺得這個社會觀感不好的地方我這樣講這不是只有社會觀感不好這個是會讓納稅人憤怒的東西\n這是他要納稅的憤怒的東西啊年代一千萬三立一千萬民視一千萬這是我們政府跟媒體的關係你如果裡面的內容很充實\n可能或許您所講的觀感不好當內容長成這個樣子的時候恐怕不是內容觀感不好就可以解釋的你說勞動部要檢討沒有關係啊檢討好好檢討檢討不要只有空話我具體請教部長你要往前檢討幾年每一個年度的檢討報告\n有沒有人要移檢察院有沒有人要移檢調這種密度的檢討勞動部需要多久我們現在主要是針對這個在機制面如果有漏洞的部分我講的不是機制面啦不好意思我講的是執行面啦因為我這樣說好了啦這種結案報告如果是我驗收我不會讓他過\n我不會讓他過但勞動部的標準可能不一樣我要檢討的是這個事情啊不是只有機制面的事情啊前面錢落花就算了喔所以只檢討機制面是怎麼樣前面錢落花就算了嘛當然不是那如果當然不是的話所以我才具體的請教你嘛檢討不要只有空話嘛你要檢討幾年需要多久給大家一個時間啊\n給大家一個時間嘛我們三個月的時間三個月的時間喔需要三個月的時間來檢討出來要檢討幾年2023年2022年2021年要檢討幾年要三個月\n我們減少前後五年的時間。前後五年?三個月的時間?好!三個月的時間。第一個,請勞動部會後提供資料。這個YT的廣告,下一百萬的憑證,請交出來。請交出來,太違反常識了。YT下了一百萬的廣告,觀看次數只有13萬次。我必須要老實講啊,書難想像。\n是真的下了一百萬還是有人灌水一樣FB的廣告下了多少錢把憑證交出來第三個請勞動部去問許明春阿他的殺龍罩憑什麼納稅的買單部長剛剛不是也沒辦法接受嗎問一下許明春阿他的殺龍罩為什麼納稅的買單錢要不要繳回來可以嗎可以嗎\n可以嗎?我們會來問許前部長。好!\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:08.503 --> 00:18.028\n謝謝主席。來有請部長。來請部長。畫面好。部長好。第一個事情是說為了要搞清楚前部長許明春\n\n00:19.181 --> 00:47.086\n花了300多萬去辦個的演唱會錢到底從哪裡來然後我拜託我們的勞動部的同仁我在11月25號發文請他們提供總共有三個廣告媒體宣傳費用的案子我沒有請勞動部的同仁做任何多的事情我只有拜託一件事情拜託的是把這個結案報告交給我\n\n00:48.499 --> 01:12.367\n我只有請他們給我結案報告我11月25號一直跟他們要我辦公室的同仁一直跟勞動部的同仁溝通到12月9號我才拿到有需要這麼久嗎部長可不可以拜託勞動部的同仁如果我今天要勞動部的同仁做新的分析做新的統計做新的工作\n\n01:14.805 --> 01:40.470\n這樣的時間我可以接受,但我只是請他們把他們早就拿到的驗收報告轉交給我,可以不要拖這麼久嗎?那個華為你指的應該是驗收報告啊?是!這個早就有電子版啦!就我知道應該是已經提供了。對啊!12月9號才提供啊!12月9號才提供啊!這樣子壓時間的意義在哪裡?我老實講啦!我不是很清楚。\n\n01:42.548 --> 02:05.897\n壓縮我們整個閱讀的時間我到今天早上才拿到這個報告今天要選答我到今天早上才拿到這個報告我簡單的來看就安定基金媒體業務宣傳費用我們從過去這幾年看一億一千\n\n02:07.881 --> 02:32.475\n九百六十八萬一億四千八百多萬一億七千多萬兩億七千多萬一路跌高啊我非常好奇啊以前除了三百多萬被署名村拿去開演唱會以外錢到底怎麼花的就安定基金是不是應該這樣花因為我最近真的收到太多\n\n02:35.031 --> 03:01.219\n生疏電話有很多家庭啊他們家裡需要找移工來幫忙每個月省吃減用再繳就業安定基金就有錢怎麼花的來我先代部長看一下過去這些錢怎麼花的您開始了解了嗎有我有跟業務單位有來了解好來你有了解來我們先來看2022年包給民視的\n\n03:04.738 --> 03:09.562\n一隻八分鐘的飲袋花一千萬,部長你覺得妥適嗎?一隻八分鐘的飲袋花一千萬,部長你覺得妥適嗎?\n\n03:22.317 --> 03:36.469\n我沒有要壓低齁這些辛苦的演藝同仁他們的薪資啊但我嚴重懷疑啊有多少錢是掉到他們的口袋裡啊一支袋子花一千萬八分鐘的袋子適合嗎不是一千萬這個片子是六百多萬\n\n03:45.385 --> 03:54.175\n這個片子是600多萬還有其他的餒你講的是那個本身的拍攝費嘛整個加起來的project不是1000萬嗎我有說錯嗎\n\n04:00.707 --> 04:26.235\n第一個我是要先說剛剛我們市長其實在講當然是指說這個片子本身的製作費用啦對不對製作費用600多萬嘛好來提到行銷那我們就來看行銷嘛對不起我一樣一樣來啦YT看13萬次喔看13萬次留言只有19折部長你知道這代表什麼意思嗎\n\n04:28.270 --> 04:41.085\n我不是專家任何有在YT上面看影帶的看13萬次如果留言只有19折代表什麼這個量全部都是用廣告衝起來的下廣告把它衝起來的\n\n04:45.595 --> 05:01.986\n這一看就知道了嘛要不然一支影帶13萬次觀看只有19個留言這個量是虛的但更讓我震驚的是什麼更讓我震驚的在報表上面YT的廣告費下了101萬在YT上面下101萬元的廣告結果觀看次數只有13萬次真的有下101萬元的廣告嗎\n\n05:14.950 --> 05:30.183\n還是福報?我不相信啊!你一字帶子拍得再爛你在YT上面下了101萬的廣告結果觀看次數只有13萬次19個留言啊這怎麼執行的?這怎麼做的?\n\n05:38.634 --> 06:05.482\n這不是只有檢討而已啊這不是只有檢討而已啊拜託請負責執行的民事文化事業股份有限公司好好地跟勞動部解釋為什麼下101萬的廣告觀看次數只有13萬次下廣告的評單交出來是不是真的有下101萬的廣告是不是真的有下100萬的廣告否則觀看次數怎麼會只有13萬次\n\n06:09.775 --> 06:34.306\n我今天要要求勞動部的是過去這幾年所有這些廣告文宣支出這些驗收報告你們如果有花時間看你不可能這麼離譜的報告可以驗收通過我再說一次你如果有花時間看你不可能這麼離譜的驗收報告你有辦法讓他驗收過\n\n06:38.462 --> 06:45.668\n我早上忙得不得了我同仁跟我講報告今天早上還交來我很快的速度看過去啊我看的是瞠目結舌啊一支八分鐘的影帶製作家廣告一千萬下一百萬YT的廣告FB的廣告下二十萬結果觀看次數啊完全不等比例除了這個以外還有什麼來我再帶部長看\n\n07:08.237 --> 07:29.374\n公益路跑形象宣傳形象拍攝文宣我看這個公益路跑這個宣傳形象拍攝文宣我看了這個名字取得很好聽啊我趕快裡面看什麼看原來這個執行計畫只有一件事啊就幫我們的阿村部長拍沙龍照沒有別的了就幫我們的阿村部長拍沙龍照沒有別的了\n\n07:35.273 --> 07:38.416\n就業安定基金可以這樣花嗎?請教部長。跟華源說明我沒有辦法接受。你也沒有辦法接受嘛。好來我們再往下看。在勞動部的會議室辦記者會要37.9萬。我一天到晚在開記者會的人啊。\n\n08:00.489 --> 08:17.002\n我隨便租一個會議室啊開一場記者會要花38萬我那時候看到這個金額我嚇一跳我想說是去什麼大飯店啊租大廳啊設廠有燈光音響設備開一場記者會38萬結果是要勞動部的會議室辦記者會一場記者會要38萬就業安定基金可以這樣花嗎請教部長\n\n08:29.485 --> 08:35.990\n就我所知這場當然你還有包括過明星的邀請這明星的參與跟邀請的部分有包括在這裡面嗎?\n\n08:39.396 --> 09:06.954\n就把它寫上去嘛!因為我看到的總表是什麼?我看到的總表是只有一個Long-Sum的金額跟委員報告因為當天我們特別請了那個許富凱那個歌手因為他是算在這歌手是比較價錢我們看你們沒有寫我們再來給他補充上去花多少錢?這細項我們回去再來對嘛國會給你們要就是要細項嘛\n\n09:08.444 --> 09:13.108\n你寫那麼粗一場38萬的記者會值得花這樣的錢嗎?值得花這樣的錢嗎?請教部長錢可以這樣花嗎?\n\n09:21.055 --> 09:48.244\n那個跟黃偉報告現在確實在救安基金整體的支用的內容上面我們已經請同仁在做檢討了那我確實看到了一些其實不管是他支用的這個預算的金額或者是他相關開出來的規格上面我絕對會有一些地方會讓大家覺得這個社會觀感不好的地方我這樣講這不是只有社會觀感不好這個是會讓納稅人憤怒的東西\n\n09:51.741 --> 10:01.351\n這是他要納稅的憤怒的東西啊年代一千萬三立一千萬民視一千萬這是我們政府跟媒體的關係你如果裡面的內容很充實\n\n10:11.618 --> 10:37.069\n可能或許您所講的觀感不好當內容長成這個樣子的時候恐怕不是內容觀感不好就可以解釋的你說勞動部要檢討沒有關係啊檢討好好檢討檢討不要只有空話我具體請教部長你要往前檢討幾年每一個年度的檢討報告\n\n10:38.772 --> 10:58.505\n有沒有人要移檢察院有沒有人要移檢調這種密度的檢討勞動部需要多久我們現在主要是針對這個在機制面如果有漏洞的部分我講的不是機制面啦不好意思我講的是執行面啦因為我這樣說好了啦這種結案報告如果是我驗收我不會讓他過\n\n11:05.083 --> 11:16.248\n我不會讓他過但勞動部的標準可能不一樣我要檢討的是這個事情啊不是只有機制面的事情啊前面錢落花就算了喔所以只檢討機制面是怎麼樣前面錢落花就算了嘛當然不是那如果當然不是的話所以我才具體的請教你嘛檢討不要只有空話嘛你要檢討幾年需要多久給大家一個時間啊\n\n11:35.316 --> 11:36.256\n給大家一個時間嘛我們三個月的時間三個月的時間喔需要三個月的時間來檢討出來要檢討幾年2023年2022年2021年要檢討幾年要三個月\n\n12:00.640 --> 12:23.310\n我們減少前後五年的時間。前後五年?三個月的時間?好!三個月的時間。第一個,請勞動部會後提供資料。這個YT的廣告,下一百萬的憑證,請交出來。請交出來,太違反常識了。YT下了一百萬的廣告,觀看次數只有13萬次。我必須要老實講啊,書難想像。\n\n12:28.786 --> 12:44.132\n是真的下了一百萬還是有人灌水一樣FB的廣告下了多少錢把憑證交出來第三個請勞動部去問許明春阿他的殺龍罩憑什麼納稅的買單部長剛剛不是也沒辦法接受嗎問一下許明春阿他的殺龍罩為什麼納稅的買單錢要不要繳回來可以嗎可以嗎\n\n13:03.695 --> 13:04.859\n可以嗎?我們會來問許前部長。好!\n\n","segments":[{"start":8.503,"end":18.028,"text":"謝謝主席。來有請部長。來請部長。畫面好。部長好。第一個事情是說為了要搞清楚前部長許明春"},{"start":19.181,"end":47.086,"text":"花了300多萬去辦個的演唱會錢到底從哪裡來然後我拜託我們的勞動部的同仁我在11月25號發文請他們提供總共有三個廣告媒體宣傳費用的案子我沒有請勞動部的同仁做任何多的事情我只有拜託一件事情拜託的是把這個結案報告交給我"},{"start":48.499,"end":72.367,"text":"我只有請他們給我結案報告我11月25號一直跟他們要我辦公室的同仁一直跟勞動部的同仁溝通到12月9號我才拿到有需要這麼久嗎部長可不可以拜託勞動部的同仁如果我今天要勞動部的同仁做新的分析做新的統計做新的工作"},{"start":74.805,"end":100.47,"text":"這樣的時間我可以接受,但我只是請他們把他們早就拿到的驗收報告轉交給我,可以不要拖這麼久嗎?那個華為你指的應該是驗收報告啊?是!這個早就有電子版啦!就我知道應該是已經提供了。對啊!12月9號才提供啊!12月9號才提供啊!這樣子壓時間的意義在哪裡?我老實講啦!我不是很清楚。"},{"start":102.548,"end":125.897,"text":"壓縮我們整個閱讀的時間我到今天早上才拿到這個報告今天要選答我到今天早上才拿到這個報告我簡單的來看就安定基金媒體業務宣傳費用我們從過去這幾年看一億一千"},{"start":127.881,"end":152.475,"text":"九百六十八萬一億四千八百多萬一億七千多萬兩億七千多萬一路跌高啊我非常好奇啊以前除了三百多萬被署名村拿去開演唱會以外錢到底怎麼花的就安定基金是不是應該這樣花因為我最近真的收到太多"},{"start":155.031,"end":181.219,"text":"生疏電話有很多家庭啊他們家裡需要找移工來幫忙每個月省吃減用再繳就業安定基金就有錢怎麼花的來我先代部長看一下過去這些錢怎麼花的您開始了解了嗎有我有跟業務單位有來了解好來你有了解來我們先來看2022年包給民視的"},{"start":184.738,"end":189.562,"text":"一隻八分鐘的飲袋花一千萬,部長你覺得妥適嗎?一隻八分鐘的飲袋花一千萬,部長你覺得妥適嗎?"},{"start":202.317,"end":216.469,"text":"我沒有要壓低齁這些辛苦的演藝同仁他們的薪資啊但我嚴重懷疑啊有多少錢是掉到他們的口袋裡啊一支袋子花一千萬八分鐘的袋子適合嗎不是一千萬這個片子是六百多萬"},{"start":225.385,"end":234.175,"text":"這個片子是600多萬還有其他的餒你講的是那個本身的拍攝費嘛整個加起來的project不是1000萬嗎我有說錯嗎"},{"start":240.707,"end":266.235,"text":"第一個我是要先說剛剛我們市長其實在講當然是指說這個片子本身的製作費用啦 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我看到這個金額時嚇了一跳，究竟是去什麼大飯店租大廳且現場有燈光音響設備，開一場記者會要38萬！結果是在勞動部的會議室辦記者會，一場記者會要38萬，請教部長，就業安定基金可以這樣花嗎？"],["洪部長申翰：報告黃委員，就我所知，這場記者會還包括明星的邀請，也就是明星的邀請與參與都包括在裡面。"],["黃委員國昌：那就把它寫上去嘛！就把它寫上去嘛！因為我看到的總表是什麼？我看到的總表是只有一個lump sum的金額。"],["王司長厚偉：報告委員，當天我們特別邀請了歌手許富凱，因為他算是價錢……這個部分可能沒有寫，我們會再補充上去。"],["黃委員國昌：花多少錢？"],["王司長厚偉：這個細項等我們回去再來……"],["黃委員國昌：對嘛！國會就是向你們要細項嘛！你們寫得那麼粗略，一場38萬的記者會，值得花這樣的錢嗎？值得花這樣的錢嗎？請教部長，錢可以這樣花嗎？"],["洪部長申翰：報告委員，關於就業安定基金整體的支用內容，我已經請同仁進行檢討了，而我也確實看到一些無論是它支用的預算金額或是它開出的相關規格都讓社會有觀感不好的地方。"],["黃委員國昌：我這樣講，這個不是只有社會觀感不好，這是會讓納稅人憤怒的東西、這是會讓納稅人憤怒的東西。年代1,000萬、三立1,000萬、民視1,000萬，這是我們政府跟媒體的關係，如果你裡面的內容很充實，可能、或許就像你所講的，觀感不好，但是當內容長成這個樣子的時候，恐怕不是內容觀感不好就可以解釋的。你說勞動部要檢討，沒有關係，檢討就好好檢討，檢討不要只有空話。我具體的請教部長，你要往前檢討幾年？每一個年度的檢討報告，有沒有人要移送監察院？有沒有人要移送檢調？這種密度的檢討，勞動部需要多久？"],["洪部長申翰：我們現在主要是針對機制面有漏洞的部分，規範不足的部分，我們再檢討。"],["黃委員國昌：我講的不是機制面，不好意思！我講的是執行面。我這樣說好了，這種結案報告，如果是我驗收，我不會讓它過，但是勞動部的標準可能不一樣。我要檢討的是這個事情，不是只有機制面的事情，前面錢亂花就算囉！所以只檢討機制面是怎麼樣，前面錢亂花就算了嘛！"],["洪部長申翰：當然不是。"],["黃委員國昌：如果當然不是，所以我才要具體的請教你，檢討不要只有空話，你要檢討幾年？需要多久？給大家一個時間啦！給大家一個時間嘛！"],["洪部長申翰：給我們3個月的時間。"],["黃委員國昌：3個月的時間哦！需要3個月的時間才檢討得出來，那要檢討幾年？2023年、2022年、2021年，檢討幾年要3個月？"],["洪部長申翰：我們檢討前後5年的時間。"],["黃委員國昌：前後5年，3個月的時間。"],["洪部長申翰：對。"],["黃委員國昌：好，3個月的時間。第一個，請勞動部會後提供資料，YT廣告下了101萬元的憑證，請交出來，這太違反常識了。YT下了101萬元的廣告，觀看次數卻只有13萬次。我必須要老實講，殊難想像，是真的下了101萬元？還是有人灌水？FB的廣告一樣，下了多少錢？把憑證交出來。第三個，請勞動部去問許銘春，憑什麼他的沙龍照要納稅人買單？部長剛才不是也沒辦法接受嘛！"],["洪部長申翰：是。"],["黃委員國昌：問一下許銘春，為什麼他的沙龍照是納稅人買單？錢要不要繳回來，可以嗎？可以嗎？可以嗎？"],["洪部長申翰：我們會問許前部長。"],["黃委員國昌：好。"],["主席：謝謝黃國昌委員的發言，謝謝部長。","下一位請張啓楷委員發言。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":196,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-26-13","speakers":["黃秀芳","陳昭姿","林月琴","陳菁徽","邱鎮軍","廖偉翔","王育敏","涂權吉","盧縣一","陳瑩","蘇清泉","陳培瑜","林淑芬","賴士葆","鄭天財Sra Kacaw","羅智強","洪孟楷","羅廷瑋","麥玉珍","楊曜","王正旭","黃國昌","張啓楷","劉建國","翁曉玲","王鴻薇","張雅琳"],"page_start":1,"meetingDate":["2024-12-09"],"gazette_id":"1140403","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1140403_00002","1140403_00003"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第13次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、邀請勞動部部長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢；二、審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案\n關於勞動部主管預算（公務及基金預算）；三、審查勞動部函送財團法人職業災害預防及重建中心\n114年度預算書案【所列預算案，僅詢答】","agenda_id":"1140403_00001"}}}