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00:01:21,367\n部長,現在少子女化越來越嚴重,兒少議題不應該被邊緣化了。過去我一而再、再而三地呼籲請邱部長要好好的加把勁去處理這個。那107年我們的事故協調會就說藉其應該滾動修正指標。\n\n4\n00:01:30,067 --> 00:01:54,097\n的確上一次的版本是105年那我們在查事故上的這個記錄裡邊你們有提到說要去滾動式而且是每三年要做滾動修正那時候107年就講每三年可是很遺憾的現在113年了我看起來還是只有未完成的答案沒有辦法看到所以部長你有掌握進度嗎\n\n5\n00:01:57,490 --> 00:02:05,880\n因為剛剛代理署長也講說你們沒有可是明明會議記錄當中就有寫說每三年要滾動式修正\n\n6\n00:02:07,751 --> 00:02:35,278\n謝謝委員指教我們馬上來瞭解他的現在的一個進度然後趕快依照現在的狀況是因為監察院111年113年都有提醒說因為他們注意到這個問題所以這兩年都有要求說衛福部是不是要盡速的去滾動檢討並且也提到說現在方案討論病入事故傷害協調會的做法跟頻率跟目前兒少權法協定的\n\n7\n00:02:36,198 --> 00:03:00,916\n就是法定的一個協調、研究審議、諮詢跟督導跟考核的功能都沒有所以難以有效的去下降兒少事故所以部長衛福部難道自己都不知道嗎?對這件事情視而不見嗎?我們非常重視兒少的一個安全我想在理事的質詢當中我們也謝謝委員的指教\n\n8\n00:03:02,037 --> 00:03:20,045\n也都一直在改善這個部分因為過去96年訂定這個兒童安全實施方案過去在社會室的時候內政部都每一年都有在檢討就後來合併到事故傷害協調防治委員會之後\n\n9\n00:03:40,413 --> 00:03:59,638\n我想兒少安全很重要的一個它的最常發生的就是意外事故所以這個部分應該最重要是聚焦在兒少的意外事故我想我們過去也參加過很多兒童健康協會相關的一個委員會參與其實都以這個為主要的一個認為這是最重要要去處理的問題\n\n10\n00:04:06,962 --> 00:04:36,082\n對,所以你的原則就在這邊齁那邊而且他當時就有提醒說應該聚焦在兒少意外事故而且應該要排除我們的各部會已經有做的事情不是把各部會有做的事情又繼續放進來因為要避免跌床駕屋還有減少過程指標應該著重在成果指標所以目標值應該要有前瞻性跟務實可行可是可以看到可是你們的草案\n\n11\n00:04:37,282 --> 00:05:01,731\n之前就講過啦可是為什麼最後現在送出來草案版本的那個考核目標設定真的是毫無誠意為什麼這麼講呢我覺得剛剛部長講說你很重視可是為什麼這次113你送出來的草案版本我仔細看首先有的目標居然已經達成了就像我們的提升我們的偏鄉地區民眾就醫就學的便利性的盤點偏鄉地區的民眾\n\n12\n00:05:03,592 --> 00:05:04,332\n謝謝委員指教。委員的寶貴意見我想我們這是一個草案\n\n13\n00:05:23,883 --> 00:05:24,844\n所以我想我們都可以來…來…來…來…來…來…來…來…來…來…來…來…來…來…來…來…來…來…來…來…來…來…來…來…\n\n14\n00:05:44,861 --> 00:06:02,979\n跟委員報告目前現在所設定的指標總的來說就是根據以往大概下降的趨勢我們希望能夠有更精進去做一定的目標的設定那目前整個案子的進度是報到行政院之後行政院有要求我們就\n\n15\n00:06:03,819 --> 00:06:17,166\n的一部分的事項再做一些檢視。我們都會相關檢討完之後再送到行政院去。那委員所提示的有關指標的部分我們會再做一些檢視。如果有可能我們會跟相關的部分再做一些協調。\n\n16\n00:06:20,947 --> 00:06:21,047\n林月琴議員\n\n17\n00:06:39,728 --> 00:06:59,683\n具體可操作甚至有前瞻性的而不是沒有前瞻性的目標請你們要去處理所以請衛福部在三個月內重新檢視研商跟修訂這個額上實施方案然後並儘速公布還有檢討每半年這過去我們就一直提醒\n\n18\n00:07:01,445 --> 00:07:13,338\n因為法裏邊沒有要求沒有要求說你們要多久開一次可是我們希望能夠每三個月去檢討可是你們當時一直還是很堅持說要每半年才來召開這樣的事故傷害協調會議討論的\n\n19\n00:07:16,749 --> 00:07:17,029\n林月琴議員\n\n20\n00:08:01,893 --> 00:08:02,534\n蘇貞茵、林玉琴、林玉琴、林玉琴\n\n21\n00:08:20,146 --> 00:08:20,486\n請問一下這針統定義是什麼?\n\n22\n00:08:38,380 --> 00:08:49,918\n呃...看起來的確像針頭所以應該...應該是...呃...不應該...沒有監測核准其實都是不能使用\n\n23\n00:08:50,706 --> 00:09:19,952\n所以這種針頭很鋒利嘛若不是刺入人體的話有可能會導致蜂窩性組織炎那甚至空氣針的空氣栓塞等致命的狀況所以我們就去搜尋各類關鍵字出現了不同的空氣針、精油針、工業用針、寵物針出現各種不同的針頭所以想問衛福部這到底是不是針頭是合法的醫材嗎需不需要下架\n\n24\n00:09:21,669 --> 00:09:47,910\n請署長回答一下報告委員因為這些他的徵筒的字眼因為他們沒有申請依裁申請所以我們不認為他是依裁如果這樣子我們會回去請我們的那個衣裝組進行這個網路的搜尋然後希望他們能下架因為他們沒有以依裁的方式來申請所以我們上面是沒有記錄的是可是我們就是去問了你們的衣裝組\n\n25\n00:09:49,111 --> 00:09:49,371\n議員：林月琴\n\n26\n00:10:04,598 --> 00:10:31,496\n說你答案是不太一樣的但這一玩具真的就是真正的真桶一樣事實上是有危險性的所以想問反共部長業務單位這樣回答如果藥品跟糖漿業者只要說明上是說糖果宣稱是糖果那衛福部就不會做藥品來管理嗎我們大概會以食品來管理那為什麼會這個會說宣稱玩具就不是以醫材來做管理\n\n27\n00:10:32,833 --> 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01:54.097\n的確上一次的版本是105年那我們在查事故上的這個記錄裡邊你們有提到說要去滾動式而且是每三年要做滾動修正那時候107年就講每三年可是很遺憾的現在113年了我看起來還是只有未完成的答案沒有辦法看到所以部長你有掌握進度嗎\n\n01:57.490 --> 02:05.880\n因為剛剛代理署長也講說你們沒有可是明明會議記錄當中就有寫說每三年要滾動式修正\n\n02:07.751 --> 02:35.278\n謝謝委員指教我們馬上來瞭解他的現在的一個進度然後趕快依照現在的狀況是因為監察院111年113年都有提醒說因為他們注意到這個問題所以這兩年都有要求說衛福部是不是要盡速的去滾動檢討並且也提到說現在方案討論病入事故傷害協調會的做法跟頻率跟目前兒少權法協定的\n\n02:36.198 --> 03:00.916\n就是法定的一個協調、研究審議、諮詢跟督導跟考核的功能都沒有所以難以有效的去下降兒少事故所以部長衛福部難道自己都不知道嗎?對這件事情視而不見嗎?我們非常重視兒少的一個安全我想在理事的質詢當中我們也謝謝委員的指教\n\n03:02.037 --> 03:20.045\n也都一直在改善這個部分因為過去96年訂定這個兒童安全實施方案過去在社會室的時候內政部都每一年都有在檢討就後來合併到事故傷害協調防治委員會之後\n\n03:40.413 --> 03:59.638\n我想兒少安全很重要的一個它的最常發生的就是意外事故所以這個部分應該最重要是聚焦在兒少的意外事故我想我們過去也參加過很多兒童健康協會相關的一個委員會參與其實都以這個為主要的一個認為這是最重要要去處理的問題\n\n04:06.962 --> 04:36.082\n對,所以你的原則就在這邊齁那邊而且他當時就有提醒說應該聚焦在兒少意外事故而且應該要排除我們的各部會已經有做的事情不是把各部會有做的事情又繼續放進來因為要避免跌床駕屋還有減少過程指標應該著重在成果指標所以目標值應該要有前瞻性跟務實可行可是可以看到可是你們的草案\n\n04:37.282 --> 05:01.731\n之前就講過啦可是為什麼最後現在送出來草案版本的那個考核目標設定真的是毫無誠意為什麼這麼講呢我覺得剛剛部長講說你很重視可是為什麼這次113你送出來的草案版本我仔細看首先有的目標居然已經達成了就像我們的提升我們的偏鄉地區民眾就醫就學的便利性的盤點偏鄉地區的民眾\n\n05:03.592 --> 05:04.332\n謝謝委員指教。委員的寶貴意見我想我們這是一個草案\n\n05:23.883 --> 05:24.844\n所以我想我們都可以來…來…來…來…來…來…來…來…來…來…來…來…來…來…來…來…來…來…來…來…來…來…來…來…\n\n05:44.861 --> 06:02.979\n跟委員報告目前現在所設定的指標總的來說就是根據以往大概下降的趨勢我們希望能夠有更精進去做一定的目標的設定那目前整個案子的進度是報到行政院之後行政院有要求我們就\n\n06:03.819 --> 06:17.166\n的一部分的事項再做一些檢視。我們都會相關檢討完之後再送到行政院去。那委員所提示的有關指標的部分我們會再做一些檢視。如果有可能我們會跟相關的部分再做一些協調。\n\n06:20.947 --> 06:21.047\n林月琴議員\n\n06:39.728 --> 06:59.683\n具體可操作甚至有前瞻性的而不是沒有前瞻性的目標請你們要去處理所以請衛福部在三個月內重新檢視研商跟修訂這個額上實施方案然後並儘速公布還有檢討每半年這過去我們就一直提醒\n\n07:01.445 --> 07:13.338\n因為法裏邊沒有要求沒有要求說你們要多久開一次可是我們希望能夠每三個月去檢討可是你們當時一直還是很堅持說要每半年才來召開這樣的事故傷害協調會議討論的\n\n07:16.749 --> 07:17.029\n林月琴議員\n\n08:01.893 --> 08:02.534\n蘇貞茵、林玉琴、林玉琴、林玉琴\n\n08:20.146 --> 08:20.486\n請問一下這針統定義是什麼?\n\n08:38.380 --> 08:49.918\n呃...看起來的確像針頭所以應該...應該是...呃...不應該...沒有監測核准其實都是不能使用\n\n08:50.706 --> 09:19.952\n所以這種針頭很鋒利嘛若不是刺入人體的話有可能會導致蜂窩性組織炎那甚至空氣針的空氣栓塞等致命的狀況所以我們就去搜尋各類關鍵字出現了不同的空氣針、精油針、工業用針、寵物針出現各種不同的針頭所以想問衛福部這到底是不是針頭是合法的醫材嗎需不需要下架\n\n09:21.669 --> 09:47.910\n請署長回答一下報告委員因為這些他的徵筒的字眼因為他們沒有申請依裁申請所以我們不認為他是依裁如果這樣子我們會回去請我們的那個衣裝組進行這個網路的搜尋然後希望他們能下架因為他們沒有以依裁的方式來申請所以我們上面是沒有記錄的是可是我們就是去問了你們的衣裝組\n\n09:49.111 --> 09:49.371\n議員：林月琴\n\n10:04.598 --> 10:31.496\n說你答案是不太一樣的但這一玩具真的就是真正的真桶一樣事實上是有危險性的所以想問反共部長業務單位這樣回答如果藥品跟糖漿業者只要說明上是說糖果宣稱是糖果那衛福部就不會做藥品來管理嗎我們大概會以食品來管理那為什麼會這個會說宣稱玩具就不是以醫材來做管理\n\n10:32.833 --> 10:59.293\n報告委員我們這個因為他在那個醫財管理辦法上面他必須要在他宣稱他是醫財的時候他會申請醫財的認可那時候我們才會進行可是這針筒有沒有危險性是報告委員是有對所以針對空氣針的販售問題請衛福部立即會同的關務署跟國貿署跟速發部去清查我們的網\n\n11:24.261 --> 11:32.278\n有傷害到人體的質疑,我想這都是要處理的。這都是要嚴格來處理的。再麻煩我們的衛福部,謝謝。謝謝委員,謝謝。謝謝月琴委員,謝謝部長。\n\n","segments":[{"start":10.741,"end":38.788,"text":"主席有請邱部長部長早部長早今天想跟你討論就是一直以來我在民間本來就很關心兒童安全實施方案所以想問部長兒童安全實施方案過去都多久修正一次我們請"},{"start":42.507,"end":67.372,"text":"報告委員前一次應該是在106年的時候修正這一次是在113年我先問的是說多久要修正一次按照你們的進度這個部分其實並沒有特別的一定規就是像一般的行政計畫或者什麼並沒有一定修正的期程"},{"start":68.8,"end":81.367,"text":"部長,現在少子女化越來越嚴重,兒少議題不應該被邊緣化了。過去我一而再、再而三地呼籲請邱部長要好好的加把勁去處理這個。那107年我們的事故協調會就說藉其應該滾動修正指標。"},{"start":90.067,"end":114.097,"text":"的確上一次的版本是105年那我們在查事故上的這個記錄裡邊你們有提到說要去滾動式而且是每三年要做滾動修正那時候107年就講每三年可是很遺憾的現在113年了我看起來還是只有未完成的答案沒有辦法看到所以部長你有掌握進度嗎"},{"start":117.49,"end":125.88,"text":"因為剛剛代理署長也講說你們沒有可是明明會議記錄當中就有寫說每三年要滾動式修正"},{"start":127.751,"end":155.278,"text":"謝謝委員指教我們馬上來瞭解他的現在的一個進度然後趕快依照現在的狀況是因為監察院111年113年都有提醒說因為他們注意到這個問題所以這兩年都有要求說衛福部是不是要盡速的去滾動檢討並且也提到說現在方案討論病入事故傷害協調會的做法跟頻率跟目前兒少權法協定的"},{"start":156.198,"end":180.916,"text":"就是法定的一個協調、研究審議、諮詢跟督導跟考核的功能都沒有所以難以有效的去下降兒少事故所以部長衛福部難道自己都不知道嗎?對這件事情視而不見嗎?我們非常重視兒少的一個安全我想在理事的質詢當中我們也謝謝委員的指教"},{"start":182.037,"end":200.045,"text":"也都一直在改善這個部分因為過去96年訂定這個兒童安全實施方案過去在社會室的時候內政部都每一年都有在檢討就後來合併到事故傷害協調防治委員會之後"},{"start":201.032,"end":220.162,"text":"議員．議員"},{"start":220.413,"end":239.638,"text":"我想兒少安全很重要的一個它的最常發生的就是意外事故所以這個部分應該最重要是聚焦在兒少的意外事故我想我們過去也參加過很多兒童健康協會相關的一個委員會參與其實都以這個為主要的一個認為這是最重要要去處理的問題"},{"start":246.962,"end":276.082,"text":"對,所以你的原則就在這邊齁那邊而且他當時就有提醒說應該聚焦在兒少意外事故而且應該要排除我們的各部會已經有做的事情不是把各部會有做的事情又繼續放進來因為要避免跌床駕屋還有減少過程指標應該著重在成果指標所以目標值應該要有前瞻性跟務實可行可是可以看到可是你們的草案"},{"start":277.282,"end":301.731,"text":"之前就講過啦可是為什麼最後現在送出來草案版本的那個考核目標設定真的是毫無誠意為什麼這麼講呢我覺得剛剛部長講說你很重視可是為什麼這次113你送出來的草案版本我仔細看首先有的目標居然已經達成了就像我們的提升我們的偏鄉地區民眾就醫就學的便利性的盤點偏鄉地區的民眾"},{"start":303.592,"end":304.332,"text":"謝謝委員指教。委員的寶貴意見我想我們這是一個草案"},{"start":323.883,"end":324.844,"text":"所以我想我們都可以來…來…來…來…來…來…來…來…來…來…來…來…來…來…來…來…來…來…來…來…來…來…來…來…"},{"start":344.861,"end":362.979,"text":"跟委員報告目前現在所設定的指標總的來說就是根據以往大概下降的趨勢我們希望能夠有更精進去做一定的目標的設定那目前整個案子的進度是報到行政院之後行政院有要求我們就"},{"start":363.819,"end":377.166,"text":"的一部分的事項再做一些檢視。我們都會相關檢討完之後再送到行政院去。那委員所提示的有關指標的部分我們會再做一些檢視。如果有可能我們會跟相關的部分再做一些協調。"},{"start":380.947,"end":381.047,"text":"林月琴議員"},{"start":399.728,"end":419.683,"text":"具體可操作甚至有前瞻性的而不是沒有前瞻性的目標請你們要去處理所以請衛福部在三個月內重新檢視研商跟修訂這個額上實施方案然後並儘速公布還有檢討每半年這過去我們就一直提醒"},{"start":421.445,"end":433.338,"text":"因為法裏邊沒有要求沒有要求說你們要多久開一次可是我們希望能夠每三個月去檢討可是你們當時一直還是很堅持說要每半年才來召開這樣的事故傷害協調會議討論的"},{"start":436.749,"end":437.029,"text":"林月琴議員"},{"start":460.401,"end":481.613,"text":" 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空氣栓塞等致命的狀況所以我們就去搜尋各類關鍵字出現了不同的空氣針、精油針、工業用針、寵物針出現各種不同的針頭所以想問衛福部這到底是不是針頭是合法的醫材嗎需不需要下架"},{"start":561.669,"end":587.91,"text":"請署長回答一下報告委員因為這些他的徵筒的字眼因為他們沒有申請依裁申請所以我們不認為他是依裁如果這樣子我們會回去請我們的那個衣裝組進行這個網路的搜尋然後希望他們能下架因為他們沒有以依裁的方式來申請所以我們上面是沒有記錄的是可是我們就是去問了你們的衣裝組"},{"start":589.111,"end":589.371,"text":"議員：林月琴"},{"start":604.598,"end":631.496,"text":"說你答案是不太一樣的但這一玩具真的就是真正的真桶一樣事實上是有危險性的所以想問反共部長業務單位這樣回答如果藥品跟糖漿業者只要說明上是說糖果宣稱是糖果那衛福部就不會做藥品來管理嗎我們大概會以食品來管理那為什麼會這個會說宣稱玩具就不是以醫材來做管理"},{"start":632.833,"end":659.293,"text":"報告委員我們這個因為他在那個醫財管理辦法上面他必須要在他宣稱他是醫財的時候他會申請醫財的認可那時候我們才會進行可是這針筒有沒有危險性是報告委員是有對所以針對空氣針的販售問題請衛福部立即會同的關務署跟國貿署跟速發部去清查我們的網"},{"start":660.213,"end":683.422,"text":"議員．"},{"start":684.261,"end":692.278,"text":"有傷害到人體的質疑,我想這都是要處理的。這都是要嚴格來處理的。再麻煩我們的衛福部,謝謝。謝謝委員,謝謝。謝謝月琴委員,謝謝部長。"}]}}},"gazette":{"lineno":913,"blocks":[["林委員月琴：（9時31分）主席，有請邱部長。"],["邱部長泰源：委員早。"],["林委員月琴：部長早。一直以來我在民間就很關心有關兒童安全實施方案，所以想問部長並與部長討論。請問兒少安全實施方案過去多久修正一次？"],["邱部長泰源：請周代理署長回答。"],["周代理署長道君：報告委員，前一次修正應該是在106年時，至於最近一次是在113年。"],["林委員月琴：我是問多久要修正一次？按照你們的進度。"],["周代理署長道君：這部分其實並沒有特別規定，就像一般的行政計畫或什麼的，並沒有一定的修正期程。"],["林委員月琴：部長，現在少子女化越來越嚴重，所以兒少議題不應該被邊緣化！過去我一而再、再而三呼籲，請邱部長要好好加把勁去處理這問題。107年事故協調會提到，屆期應該滾動修正指標，上一次版本是105年提出，而依照調查事故傷害紀錄顯示，你們要滾動式檢討，且每三年要做滾動修正。所以107年就講了每三年一次，可是很遺憾的是，現在113年了，我只看到未完成的答案，沒有辦法看到……部長，你有掌握進度嗎？"],["邱部長泰源：一直有在修正……"],["林委員月琴：剛剛代理署長說你們沒有，可是會議紀錄就寫，每三年要做滾動式修正！"],["邱部長泰源：謝謝委員指教，我們馬上來了解現在的進度，趕快依照現在的狀況……"],["林委員月琴：監察院111年、113年都提醒，因為他們有注意到這問題，所以在這兩年要求衛福部要儘速做滾動檢討，並提到，在併入事故傷害協調會後的作法跟頻率，缺少目前兒少權法法定的協調、研究、審議、諮詢、督導與考核的功能，以致難以有效降低兒少事故。部長，衛福部難道都不知道嗎？對這件事情視而不見嗎？"],["邱部長泰源：我們非常重視兒少安全，在屢次質詢當中我們也謝謝委員的指教，我們一直都在改善這部分。"],["林委員月琴：兒少安全實施方案是在96年所訂定的，過去在社會司時，內政部每一年都有在檢討，結果後來合併到事故傷害協調防制協調會之後，反而就停擺了，從105年停擺到現在，所以也希望部長針對這一塊能夠儘速去了解。再來要問部長的是，你知不知道我們方案指標的研訂標準跟原則是什麼？"],["邱部長泰源：我想兒少安全很重要的，最常發生的就是意外事故，所以這個部分最重要應該是聚焦在兒少的意外事故，我想我們過去也參加過很多兒童健康學會相關會議參與，其實都……"],["林委員月琴：是，我相信你來自醫療界，應該知道這個東西很重要。"],["邱部長泰源：其實都以這個為主要的一個，認為這是最重要要去處理的問題。"],["林委員月琴：對，所以你的原則就在這邊，而且當時他們就有提醒應該聚焦在兒少意外事故，而且應該要排除我們各部會已經有做的事情，不是把各部會有做的事情又繼續放進來，因為要避免疊床架屋，還有減少過程指標，應該著重在成果指標，所以目標值應該要兼顧前瞻性跟務實可行，可是我們可以看到，根據你們的草案，之前就講過了啦，可是為什麼最後、現在送出來的草案版本，那個考核目標的設定真的是毫無誠意，為什麼這麼講呢？剛剛部長講說你很重視，可是為什麼這次113年送出來的草案版本，我仔細看，首先，有的目標居然已經達成了，就像提升我們偏鄉地區民眾就醫、就學便利性的盤點，偏鄉地區的民眾交通需求，以每年增加交通運輸的涵蓋率1%為目標，這是你們寫出來的──112年的目標為91%，113年的目標為92%，可是現在就已經94%了，我不知道那明年要訂什麼呢？"],["邱部長泰源：謝謝委員指教，委員的寶貴意見，我想我們這是一個草案，所以我想我們都可以來更精進。"],["林委員月琴：所以可不可以督促各部會在配合你這個案子的時，可以講出一個更具體的，像怎麼會減少兒少無照駕駛的再犯率，設定目標為每年下降0.5%，甚至溺水的部分要下降0.2人，我不知道這是怎麼算出來的。"],["周代理署長道君：跟委員報告，目前所設定的指標，總的來說，就是根據以往大概下降的趨勢，我們希望能夠有更精進去做一定目標的設定，目前整個案子的進度是報到行政院之後，行政院有要求我們就裡面一部分的事項再做一些檢視，我們都會相關檢討完之後，再送到行政院去。委員所提示有關指標的部分，我們也會再做一些檢視，如果有需要的話，我們也會跟相關部會再做一些協調。"],["林委員月琴：事實上，那個目標的訂定要能夠具體，而且事實上是要有一個能夠讓我們有更往前，而不是訂一個下降0.5%，甚至下降0.2人，這個不知道是不是少子化的作用，因為我們的孩子越生越少，下降0.2人的話，坦白講也很容易達到啊，所以可不可以訂出一個具體可操作，甚至有前瞻性的，而不是沒有前瞻性的目標，請你們要去處理。所以請衛福部在3個月內重新檢視，研商跟修訂兒少實施方案，並儘速公布。"],["邱部長泰源：好。"],["林委員月琴：還有檢討「每半年」召開會議的作法，這部分過去我們就一直在提醒，因為法裡面沒有要求，沒有要求說你們要多久開一次，可是我們希望能夠每三個月去檢討，可是你們當時一直還是很堅持，說要每半年才來召開這樣的事故傷害協調會議討論的作法，我覺得這要思考，為什麼這麼講？因為今天兒少死亡1到14歲是第一名，事故傷害是第一名，應該要去重視。少子化不是只有去催生，還要拒絕死亡，這件事情要做到，我覺得麻煩部長要把這件事情放在心上，如果你一直在做催生，可是沒有拒絕死亡的話，依然，我們的孩子一樣，即便我們的生贏過日、韓，可是如果沒有拒絕死亡的話，我們的死亡數事實上是超過日、韓的。","再來就是空氣針這件事情，我想部長應該……我不知道有沒有收到這樣的一個訊息，因為最近有一款玩具，造成很多人在Threads或者是社群上，現在都開始引起恐慌，為什麼？因為這事實上是一個玩具，竟然還有一個針頭、一個矽膠娃娃，透過這個空氣針去打，就可以讓這個娃娃膨脹起來，之後為了抽那個泡泡，大家就覺得很紓壓。可是我們辦公室收到這樣子的問題之後，我們也看到經濟部趕快要求我們的電商平臺下架，不得販售，這個很好，我們辦公室搜尋針筒的部分，確實沒有找到相關的產品，所以想問部長，畫面中的空氣針是不是就是針筒？也請問一下這針筒的定義是什麼？"],["邱部長泰源：看起來的確像針筒。"],["林委員月琴：是，看起來像針筒嘛。"],["邱部長泰源：所以應該是不允許的，沒有經過核准其實都是不能使用的。"],["林委員月琴：這種針頭很鋒利，如果不慎針刺入人體的話，有可能會導致蜂窩性組織炎，甚至出現空氣栓塞等致命的狀況，所以我們就去搜尋各類關鍵字，出現了不同的空氣針、精油針、工業用針、寵物針，出現各種不同的針筒，所以我想問衛福部，這到底是不是針筒？是合法的醫材嗎？需不需要下架？"],["邱部長泰源：我請署長回答一下。"],["莊署長聲宏：報告委員，這些針筒的字眼，因為他們沒有申請醫材申請，所以我們不認為它是醫材。這樣子，我們會回去請我們的醫裝組進行網路的搜尋，然後希望他們能下架，因為他們沒有以醫材的方式來申請，所以我們上面是沒有紀錄的。"],["林委員月琴：是，可是我們就是去問了你們的醫裝組空氣針的問題，醫裝組回復本辦公室，如果這個產品原廠說明書宣稱是玩具的話，就不以醫療器材來管理，所以我不知道，這跟剛才署長的答案是不太一樣的，但這些玩具針就是真正的針筒，事實上一樣是有危險性的，所以想問部長，業務單位這樣回答，如果藥品跟糖漿業者只要在說明上是說糖果，宣稱是糖果，那衛福部就不會作為藥品來管理嗎？"],["莊署長聲宏：我們大概會以食品來管理。"],["林委員月琴：那為什麼這個只要宣稱是玩具，就不以醫材來做管理？"],["莊署長聲宏：報告委員，因為它在醫材管理辦法上面，必須要在它宣稱它是醫材的時候，才會申請醫材的認可，那時候我們才會進行……"],["林委員月琴：可是這個針筒有沒有危險性？"],["莊署長聲宏：報告委員，是有的。"],["林委員月琴：所以針對於空氣針的販售問題，請衛福部立即會同關務署、國貿署及數發部，去清查我們的網購跟相關電商平臺，看看是不是還有這些東西，因為這可能事實上是醫材，或者是具有攻擊性的商品，可能要加以注意，如果拿來刺到人體的話。如果持續販售，這些就應該要下架，所以麻煩食藥署要積極去進行。"],["邱部長泰源：我想這個部分，雖然它沒有用醫材來報備，但是如果它有傷害到人體的質疑時，我想這都是要處理的，這都是要嚴格來處理的。"],["林委員月琴：好，再麻煩我們的衛福部，謝謝。"],["邱部長泰源：謝謝委員，謝謝。"],["主席（陳委員昭姿代）：謝謝月琴委員，謝謝部長。","下一位質詢的委員是蘇清泉委員。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":284,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-26-14","speakers":["蘇清泉","陳昭姿","林月琴","劉建國","陳菁徽","林淑芬","王正旭","羅廷瑋","黃秀芳","廖偉翔","王育敏","陳瑩","黃國昌","鄭天財Sra 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