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00:00:25,822\n謝謝主席我們請委員長來委員長請陳委員早安委員長早委員長這個我們新南向政策裡面針對教育人才的計畫中是希望吸引東南亞籍的外國的留學生然後希望透過專業的訓練機制讓這些學生有機會能夠在台灣工作然後加值嘛\n\n2\n00:00:26,522 --> 00:00:48,737\n可是我看僑委會的工作項目上面的三大面向112年的成效產學攜手合作僑生班是目標是5178人那實質是只有4000多人那海外青年技術訓練班目標是3500多人那實質上面是大概1595人那一般僑外學生目標是600人實質上是卻只有295人\n\n3\n00:00:50,103 --> 00:00:53,209\n我從預算書中有看到說僑員會針對擴大培育跟這個流用僑生計劃有4年的計劃從1、2年開始總共要編36億2000多萬元\n\n4\n00:01:01,550 --> 00:01:19,616\n那13年大概有5億8千萬明年是有匡列大概7億6千多萬來執行這個計劃可是我們從112年的績效評估數字這三大這個面向來流財的人數是總共是5959人那佔原目標的大概64%\n\n5\n00:01:21,096 --> 00:01:41,585\n如果我們再把國發會的原計劃2030年的目標留財17萬人的比例來講的話那僅達3.5%我想請教委員長我們編列這麼高的預算來去攬財來去留財那是不是沒有什麼效益那有什麼可以改善的計劃原因到底是在哪裡\n\n6\n00:01:42,782 --> 00:02:03,847\n跟委員報告這個我們早期一百零三年零四年開始做這個實驗性計劃的時候並沒有把這個制度呢的長期做清楚的規劃那當時確實學生人數也很少我們從一百多個兩百三百這樣慢慢開始那後來發現說這些學生他們\n\n7\n00:02:09,008 --> 00:02:34,526\n三年念完四年念完就回去了所以這個未能完成學業的比例是相當的高那所以後來我們開始做這個計畫的擴大版的時候那就發現說要精進改變兩件事情第一個就是說我們要把學生的年齡要設限如果他30歲才來讀他不可能的他一下子家裡就有什麼事情他就走了\n\n8\n00:02:35,146 --> 00:02:36,867\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算關於僑務委員會主管信託基金．（僑務委員會主管信託基金．．\n\n9\n00:03:02,482 --> 00:03:06,104\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算案附屬\n\n10\n00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:35,585\n一萬多人我們錄取六千多人那最後來就學也達到了五千七百人所以我們是倍數的這個成長的速度那這幾年我們就是因為發現到說第一個我們這個方案有改變那個誘因\n\n11\n00:03:44,651 --> 00:03:46,493\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位\n\n12\n00:04:08,670 --> 00:04:23,407\n剛才提到的是僑生還有這個還有我們新南向的部分那另外一個是我們的海外華語文的學習深耕計劃那經費是一億三千萬左右那比一一三年度又多了大概10%那僅僅\n\n13\n00:04:25,404 --> 00:04:37,762\n檢視我們1、2年的成果就好了有定22個目標但是只有6項達標所以沒有達到標準值是超過72.73%可能是我們的華語推廣是遇到一個瓶頸我想請教\n\n14\n00:04:40,876 --> 00:04:59,326\n華語學習確實是不容易如果特別是完全沒有基礎的但是如果說我們千里迢迢邀請這些人來台灣來培訓有沒有辦法說不管是經費消耗較高的往返機票或者是說可以參加人數非常有限就是說你看原定目標是10人才來14人\n\n15\n00:05:00,627 --> 00:05:21,589\n是不是可以換位思考,讓我們的師資走出去,直接到橋地辦理,這樣子派出去的總指教師可以開枝散葉,這樣效果會不會更好?等於說與其叫他們40個人過來,不如我們派一個人過去,他甚至可以教40個人的40個班,那這個整個整體效益就會做完整的改變,不知道委員長看這樣子的說法怎麼樣?\n\n16\n00:05:21,749 --> 00:05:23,150\n我非常同意委員的這個說法跟建議事實上我們後來就是調整成說我們是一年去海外巡迴培訓或者辦研討會那一年是在國內來辦理\n\n17\n00:05:37,385 --> 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