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00:00:50,458\n還是要特別肯定一下部長因為今天原本列席的話出席的話是主委嘛那您特別出席還是要特別肯定一下部長那部長延續剛才像蔡啟昌委員以及許多委員所提到在運安會其實大家一直以來都在提到的就是每次的調查的時間不管是人力的關係預算的關係或者是相關議題的複雜程度\n\n3\n00:00:52,580 --> 00:01:20,349\n但是您在看大約運安會的報告大約產出的這個調查過程大概都要抓到多少時間之內才會出爐?您先抓一個概念上應該要對多少時間內才能夠出爐才能夠符合社會大眾的期待我覺得一些時間應該要3到6個月3到6個月內應該要讓社會社會大眾就知道嘛那我跟部長也說明一下\n\n4\n00:01:21,649 --> 00:01:49,867\n議員會的報告通常因為這個人力跟複雜的程度我記得上次4月20號本席諮詢的時候那主委是提到差不多每個案子幾乎是1.6到1.7個人力在負責一個案子所以幾乎每個案子就是還沒展延幾乎都要1到2年還有時候展延甚至到3年所以說剛才像蔡吉昌委員所提到的那這個部分就是大家希望議員會如何能夠精進那我就接著再請主委一起上台好了\n\n5\n00:01:55,673 --> 00:02:07,840\n委員那主委剛才部長也有提到期許就是說三到六個月的話能夠來完成這個調查報告通常較符合社會的期待那本席在4月20號那時候質詢的時候也有提\n\n6\n00:02:10,541 --> 00:02:14,442\n議員會目前在這一次的預算數的報告,徵務人員5人、編制人員15人、技工1人、約聘人員70人、共92人。\n\n7\n00:02:29,807 --> 00:02:57,680\n在這次的預算書跟去年的預算書原額跟總共的人數是差不多的所以表示說在去年再到今年以及到明年的部分其實在這個調查的能力上依舊是能力不足的一個狀況那本期在上次所質詢的時候有提到他也希望主委能夠體諒這個運安會大家同仁的一個辛苦那來跟行政院或是跟部內來如何協調能夠增加這個人員跟預算那我想請問一下主委在這個\n\n8\n00:02:58,981 --> 00:03:05,761\n過程中這半年來講還有沒有就是開口跟哪一個官員或是跟院長提到這個人力需求?\n\n9\n00:03:06,707 --> 00:03:14,669\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於國家運輸安全調查委員會單位預算案關於國家運輸安全調查委員會單位預算案關於國家運輸安全調查委員會單位預算案關於國家運輸安全調查委員會\n\n10\n00:03:31,374 --> 00:03:43,622\n有預計在明年會怎麼樣的方式來增加嗎?目前我們還沒有得到答案。沒有得到答案。那你是什麼時候問的?我們不知道答案。你上次跟人事監事總署開口提的時候是大概在幾月的時候?\n\n11\n00:03:45,798 --> 00:04:09,748\n我們請財政司來報告委員有關我們太空人力的部分我們其實在我們的113年的原理評鑑裡面有有已經有提到規範人力是幾月提的今年3月份的報告今年3月份的報告那我10月22號質詢的時候也有提到希望能夠表達那在規範的過程中有沒有在任何書面或口頭的方式提到需要增加人力\n\n12\n00:04:11,910 --> 00:04:38,557\n我們目前就是呃就是原有評鑑的部分對那所以說嘛我我坦白講啦就是說如果沒有辦法去積極的去反映這件事情的話那運安會永遠都會處於一個就是調查人力不足的一個情況啊那所以說今天部長也在那卓也在我希望說不管是之前的委員有提到這個事情那我相信等一下有其他委員也一樣會提到同樣的事啊那所以本期還是希望說\n\n13\n00:04:39,437 --> 00:05:00,463\n在這個第二會期再次也檢討跟就是希望運安會能夠針對人力調查人力的部分來去做一個實際上積極的爭取那我覺得這才能夠去改善這個運安會人力不足在處理這個調查報告無法能夠縮短期程才符合社會期待那同樣的我們再看一下這個數據\n\n14\n00:05:02,779 --> 00:05:19,042\n我們看到了運安會的數據啊這個在相關揭露的部分我們看到了在這個執行率啊還跟他的達成率啊他是用從108年到現在的一個部分來去做一個完成率那其中來講\n\n15\n00:05:21,023 --> 00:05:47,409\n議員會主委您是航空背景那我們看到航空背景的這個完成率其實確實比較高但是在水路、鐵路還包括陸路的這個部分它的完成率確實偏低那在這個立案調查數量以及包括在歷年改善完成的完成率的部分那本席還是要再次強調這個完成率的部分是過於美化因為它的完成數是108年到現在的總數\n\n16\n00:05:49,890 --> 00:06:16,228\n那如果說再把這個當年度新例的案子還再把它看當年度能否完成或是再把它抓成兩年之內能否完成的話那它的數字絕對不會像還九十幾、七十幾、八十幾還的這種數字啊所以說在這個數字上本席還是要建議那把人力跟研究調查的能量能夠擴大才能夠真正讓運安會來產生實際的功能\n\n17\n00:06:20,512 --> 00:06:34,951\n則,過去的完成數從108年到現在的總數來看兩年前、三年前立的案子現在好不容易結案但是在今年、去年立的案子都沒有辦法完成的時候這是美化的完成率\n\n18\n00:06:35,472 --> 00:07:02,713\n但是我本席還是要建議未來這樣子的一個改善數據應該以當年度或兩年度也同樣來去做一個解釋才能讓大家看到運安會對於兩年內一年內立的案子還有他的一個積極處理程度當然本席在這裡提到這個部分也是老調重談啦因為在很多的委員其實都常在提到如何能夠來改善運安會這個調查能力跟能量的事情但是我本席還在這裡還是要建議預算在審啦\n\n19\n00:07:04,935 --> 00:07:25,324\n每個委員都在審預算那當然運輸安會主委你也很認真的也第一時間在這個會期也帶了同仁來這邊溝通預算但是要解決委員在委員會所提到的問題那如何能夠讓運安會的功能能夠去精進我相信這才是我們在審查預算希望機關單位能夠改進的本質\n\n20\n00:07:26,206 --> 00:07:49,144\n那最後的話在這個交通部的業務報告有提到推動智慧運輸及交通產業發展在這個自駕車策略委員會的部分那在我們也看到在今年來也有許多自駕車的一個事故甚至火燒車那想接到主委那這個自駕車的這個相關的事故的調查的案子在今年度總共幾案?\n\n21\n00:07:51,681 --> 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--> 00:24.034\n謝謝召委,那有請部長。好,前部長。謝謝。嘿,委員好。\n\n00:25.579 --> 00:50.458\n還是要特別肯定一下部長因為今天原本列席的話出席的話是主委嘛那您特別出席還是要特別肯定一下部長那部長延續剛才像蔡啟昌委員以及許多委員所提到在運安會其實大家一直以來都在提到的就是每次的調查的時間不管是人力的關係預算的關係或者是相關議題的複雜程度\n\n00:52.580 --> 01:20.349\n但是您在看大約運安會的報告大約產出的這個調查過程大概都要抓到多少時間之內才會出爐?您先抓一個概念上應該要對多少時間內才能夠出爐才能夠符合社會大眾的期待我覺得一些時間應該要3到6個月3到6個月內應該要讓社會社會大眾就知道嘛那我跟部長也說明一下\n\n01:21.649 --> 01:49.867\n議員會的報告通常因為這個人力跟複雜的程度我記得上次4月20號本席諮詢的時候那主委是提到差不多每個案子幾乎是1.6到1.7個人力在負責一個案子所以幾乎每個案子就是還沒展延幾乎都要1到2年還有時候展延甚至到3年所以說剛才像蔡吉昌委員所提到的那這個部分就是大家希望議員會如何能夠精進那我就接著再請主委一起上台好了\n\n01:55.673 --> 02:07.840\n委員那主委剛才部長也有提到期許就是說三到六個月的話能夠來完成這個調查報告通常較符合社會的期待那本席在4月20號那時候質詢的時候也有提\n\n02:10.541 --> 02:14.442\n議員會目前在這一次的預算數的報告,徵務人員5人、編制人員15人、技工1人、約聘人員70人、共92人。\n\n02:29.807 --> 02:57.680\n在這次的預算書跟去年的預算書原額跟總共的人數是差不多的所以表示說在去年再到今年以及到明年的部分其實在這個調查的能力上依舊是能力不足的一個狀況那本期在上次所質詢的時候有提到他也希望主委能夠體諒這個運安會大家同仁的一個辛苦那來跟行政院或是跟部內來如何協調能夠增加這個人員跟預算那我想請問一下主委在這個\n\n02:58.981 --> 03:05.761\n過程中這半年來講還有沒有就是開口跟哪一個官員或是跟院長提到這個人力需求?\n\n03:06.707 --> 03:14.669\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於國家運輸安全調查委員會單位預算案關於國家運輸安全調查委員會單位預算案關於國家運輸安全調查委員會單位預算案關於國家運輸安全調查委員會\n\n03:31.374 --> 03:43.622\n有預計在明年會怎麼樣的方式來增加嗎?目前我們還沒有得到答案。沒有得到答案。那你是什麼時候問的?我們不知道答案。你上次跟人事監事總署開口提的時候是大概在幾月的時候?\n\n03:45.798 --> 04:09.748\n我們請財政司來報告委員有關我們太空人力的部分我們其實在我們的113年的原理評鑑裡面有有已經有提到規範人力是幾月提的今年3月份的報告今年3月份的報告那我10月22號質詢的時候也有提到希望能夠表達那在規範的過程中有沒有在任何書面或口頭的方式提到需要增加人力\n\n04:11.910 --> 04:38.557\n我們目前就是呃就是原有評鑑的部分對那所以說嘛我我坦白講啦就是說如果沒有辦法去積極的去反映這件事情的話那運安會永遠都會處於一個就是調查人力不足的一個情況啊那所以說今天部長也在那卓也在我希望說不管是之前的委員有提到這個事情那我相信等一下有其他委員也一樣會提到同樣的事啊那所以本期還是希望說\n\n04:39.437 --> 05:00.463\n在這個第二會期再次也檢討跟就是希望運安會能夠針對人力調查人力的部分來去做一個實際上積極的爭取那我覺得這才能夠去改善這個運安會人力不足在處理這個調查報告無法能夠縮短期程才符合社會期待那同樣的我們再看一下這個數據\n\n05:02.779 --> 05:19.042\n我們看到了運安會的數據啊這個在相關揭露的部分我們看到了在這個執行率啊還跟他的達成率啊他是用從108年到現在的一個部分來去做一個完成率那其中來講\n\n05:21.023 --> 05:47.409\n議員會主委您是航空背景那我們看到航空背景的這個完成率其實確實比較高但是在水路、鐵路還包括陸路的這個部分它的完成率確實偏低那在這個立案調查數量以及包括在歷年改善完成的完成率的部分那本席還是要再次強調這個完成率的部分是過於美化因為它的完成數是108年到現在的總數\n\n05:49.890 --> 06:16.228\n那如果說再把這個當年度新例的案子還再把它看當年度能否完成或是再把它抓成兩年之內能否完成的話那它的數字絕對不會像還九十幾、七十幾、八十幾還的這種數字啊所以說在這個數字上本席還是要建議那把人力跟研究調查的能量能夠擴大才能夠真正讓運安會來產生實際的功能\n\n06:20.512 --> 06:34.951\n則,過去的完成數從108年到現在的總數來看兩年前、三年前立的案子現在好不容易結案但是在今年、去年立的案子都沒有辦法完成的時候這是美化的完成率\n\n06:35.472 --> 07:02.713\n但是我本席還是要建議未來這樣子的一個改善數據應該以當年度或兩年度也同樣來去做一個解釋才能讓大家看到運安會對於兩年內一年內立的案子還有他的一個積極處理程度當然本席在這裡提到這個部分也是老調重談啦因為在很多的委員其實都常在提到如何能夠來改善運安會這個調查能力跟能量的事情但是我本席還在這裡還是要建議預算在審啦\n\n07:04.935 --> 07:25.324\n每個委員都在審預算那當然運輸安會主委你也很認真的也第一時間在這個會期也帶了同仁來這邊溝通預算但是要解決委員在委員會所提到的問題那如何能夠讓運安會的功能能夠去精進我相信這才是我們在審查預算希望機關單位能夠改進的本質\n\n07:26.206 --> 07:49.144\n那最後的話在這個交通部的業務報告有提到推動智慧運輸及交通產業發展在這個自駕車策略委員會的部分那在我們也看到在今年來也有許多自駕車的一個事故甚至火燒車那想接到主委那這個自駕車的這個相關的事故的調查的案子在今年度總共幾案?\n\n07:51.681 --> 08:11.683\n自駕車我們最典型的就是戴雅路段那個撞房撞車那目前來講這樣子的報告對於目前所提那個之前所召開的自駕車策略委員會還開了巴士會那運安會的報告有沒有提供給自駕車策略委員會來去做參考\n\n08:13.134 --> 08:14.135\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算\n\n08:43.095 --> 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