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00:02:55,696\n跟委員報告就局限的可行性研究市政府在上個月22號已經把這個可言報告修正送到交通部這邊來我們最近已經簽報給部裡面打算就是建議部裡面報院召開審查委員會來做後續的確認不對\n\n9\n00:02:58,078 --> 00:03:01,181\n當初審查委員會的意見會在中規的時候來做最後的確認。那我們是在臺中在附近...到中規還要多久的時間?\n\n10\n00:03:15,986 --> 00:03:30,025\n可言合定之後進行中規應該通常要一年到兩年左右的時間我們希望當然地方政府要努力我們也希望中央審查的速度可不可以再加快一點我們等很久了好不好\n\n11\n00:03:31,486 --> 00:03:49,327\n接下來我就要問喔那如果說已經有進度那也有相關的在談論這個轉成的設計要更方便創造旅客捷運台鐵都能夠三引喔我現在有一個實體的這個照片就是現在預留為轉運站的一個土地嘛那還有\n\n12\n00:03:50,348 --> 00:04:02,037\n檯鐵的開發案也是在這裡嘛那另外這一個地圖呢就是當初我們手上看到台中市政府給我們的一個圖示表那我們現在到底是要增設還是購物購物我想要把這個藍線橘線的轉成過去的規劃是長達380公尺的一個\n\n13\n00:04:09,963 --> 00:04:12,043\n二、審查114年度二、審查114年度二、審查114年度\n\n14\n00:04:36,233 --> 00:05:04,564\n跟委員報告我們有建議臺中市政府就是未來應該是要朝向增設共購的方向來做努力也就是原來的歐16站仍然保留那在靠近臺中火車站這個地方增加一個車站那如果有機會的話可以跟臺鐵的這個開發的這個用地來做共購那這樣子的話等於是對於上面未來的開發跟下面的這個轉乘跟交通都是互蒙其利的\n\n15\n00:05:04,684 --> 00:05:07,785\n二、審查114年度二、審查114年度二、審查114年度二、審查114年度二、審查114年度\n\n16\n00:05:32,317 --> 00:05:45,767\n除了藍線,藍線現在台中要拚動工明年要動工那現在我的個人看法藍線事實上現在只做半套啦另外一個延伸線如果能夠一起做的話還叫做整套的啦因為現在的藍線是從海線延伸到甘城而已那對不起從海線到甘城\n\n17\n00:05:53,533 --> 00:06:21,272\nnetesle從甘城我要延伸進去屯區那現行我知道台中市政府規劃進太平那進太平呢太平是一個新興的一個都會型的一個行政區域那已經超過20萬人口所以呢我相信如果延伸進來太平的話可以讓可以讓什麼這一個藍線的一個未來的營運絕對會是有正面強大的效益所以呢我希望\n\n18\n00:06:22,213 --> 00:06:40,689\n台中市政府是不是已經把南線延伸太平的這一個可行性已經交通部這邊在審查了嗎?已經在交通部了。已經在交通部了嘛對不對。那交通部部長支持一定要支持那審查快一點。那審查的速度就是趙委員所說的加速來審查。\n\n19\n00:06:41,489 --> 00:07:00,824\n我希望我們建議我們期待那藍線的延伸到太平端可以呢無縫接軌的能夠一併的施工啦如果說你前面的可行性研究還有可行性跟重規可以加快速度的話那我們預計的藍線現行核定的藍線\n\n20\n00:07:05,007 --> 00:07:23,941\nadequang動工沒關係雖然有時間差但是呢我們可以並案處理我覺得這是一個態度而且是一個有效率的一個處理方式嗎可以嗎部長我們覺得可以並案處理如果兩岸可以並案處理即便是南線的前期已經先開工我們太平的這一段在後期跟上其實是可以的\n\n21\n00:07:24,673 --> 00:07:34,346\n您的態度很重要。前一任交通部長李孟彥,他是堅定的告訴我他願意支持合併病案來處理。那陳世凱部長,你現在的部長態度也很重要。當然也是支持啊。\n\n22\n00:07:39,693 --> 00:08:02,432\n支持病案處理。病案處理之後我們可以無縫接軌合併施工施工他是可以我知道你們都是專家捷運的施工是可以分標分包然後是可以不同的時間點希望能夠陸陸續續的動工動工完之後未來通車也是可以階段性我們希望就是一次能夠做到好啦\n\n23\n00:08:03,292 --> 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從甘城我要延伸進去屯區那現行我知道台中市政府規劃進太平那進太平呢太平是一個新興的一個都會型的一個行政區域那已經超過20萬人口所以呢我相信如果延伸進來太平的話可以讓可以讓什麼這一個藍線的一個未來的營運絕對會是有正面強大的效益所以呢我希望\n382213\t400689\t台中市政府是不是已經把南線延伸太平的這一個可行性已經交通部這邊在審查了嗎?已經在交通部了。已經在交通部了嘛對不對。那交通部部長支持一定要支持那審查快一點。那審查的速度就是趙委員所說的加速來審查。\n401489\t420824\t我希望我們建議我們期待那藍線的延伸到太平端可以呢無縫接軌的能夠一併的施工啦如果說你前面的可行性研究還有可行性跟重規可以加快速度的話那我們預計的藍線現行核定的藍線\n425007\t443941\tadequang動工沒關係雖然有時間差但是呢我們可以並案處理我覺得這是一個態度而且是一個有效率的一個處理方式嗎可以嗎部長我們覺得可以並案處理如果兩岸可以並案處理即便是南線的前期已經先開工我們太平的這一段在後期跟上其實是可以的\n444673\t454346\t您的態度很重要。前一任交通部長李孟彥,他是堅定的告訴我他願意支持合併病案來處理。那陳世凱部長,你現在的部長態度也很重要。當然也是支持啊。\n459693\t482432\t支持病案處理。病案處理之後我們可以無縫接軌合併施工施工他是可以我知道你們都是專家捷運的施工是可以分標分包然後是可以不同的時間點希望能夠陸陸續續的動工動工完之後未來通車也是可以階段性我們希望就是一次能夠做到好啦\n483292\t501901\t這沒有問題嘛好不好部長因為我相信大台中的捷運網路需要部長你大力的支持綠線、藍線、橘線還有呢大屏幕的紫線那都是呢剛好都是在大台中的一個人口非常稠密的一個都會型的行政區域裡面\n503522\t512680\t結運入網要營運成功就一定要有人口支撐啦對不對好不好那當然更重要的是中央的支持啦再拜託部長好不好好謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席召委我們是不是請陳思凱部長陳部長部長好早安 早在我諮詢之前告訴你一個消息不知道你有沒有手上及時知道本來這個禮拜三要停靠台中港的挪威奮進號郵輪不來了\n你應該還不知道這早上一早的收到訊息喔身為台中人我們一直在積極的在推動這個郵輪的一個商機那郵輪的觀光是可以讓台中港活絡那\n好不容易好不容易破蛋了啦今年終於在12月有一艘郵輪要進來結果聽說是氣候的因素啦我不曉得這個等一下你會後可以再去詢問一下再去了解一下我們還是希望說台中港在交通部的努力之下跟地方政府的積極配合之下還是希望期待\n二、審查114年度二、審查114年度二、審查114年度\n那他們呢這兩條線喔事實上對台中的捷運網來講非常重要剛剛蘇越委有提到了綠線綠線現在要延伸到大坑那往南要延伸到彰化那我們都積極而且全力支持喔那只是說這個整個不管是綠線、藍線、橘線喔我們的一個網絡要建立它的轉程\n限與限之間的轉乘必須要方便那才能夠達到它最大的一個效益那也能夠方便我們不管是國內外的旅客還有我們自己的市民轉乘但是現在在台中火車站我們上次我相信我們局長知道我在交通委員會有諮詢然後我們也有去考察\n那現在藍線橘線的這個轉乘的距離上次考察局長有跟我們說了幾個方案那目前你知道臺中市政府的規劃進度為何?請局長\n跟委員報告就局限的可行性研究市政府在上個月22號已經把這個可言報告修正送到交通部這邊來我們最近已經簽報給部裡面打算就是建議部裡面報院召開審查委員會來做後續的確認不對\n當初審查委員會的意見會在中規的時候來做最後的確認。那我們是在臺中在附近...到中規還要多久的時間?\n可言合定之後進行中規應該通常要一年到兩年左右的時間我們希望當然地方政府要努力我們也希望中央審查的速度可不可以再加快一點我們等很久了好不好\n接下來我就要問喔那如果說已經有進度那也有相關的在談論這個轉成的設計要更方便創造旅客捷運台鐵都能夠三引喔我現在有一個實體的這個照片就是現在預留為轉運站的一個土地嘛那還有\n檯鐵的開發案也是在這裡嘛那另外這一個地圖呢就是當初我們手上看到台中市政府給我們的一個圖示表那我們現在到底是要增設還是購物購物我想要把這個藍線橘線的轉成過去的規劃是長達380公尺的一個\n二、審查114年度二、審查114年度二、審查114年度\n跟委員報告我們有建議臺中市政府就是未來應該是要朝向增設共購的方向來做努力也就是原來的歐16站仍然保留那在靠近臺中火車站這個地方增加一個車站那如果有機會的話可以跟臺鐵的這個開發的這個用地來做共購那這樣子的話等於是對於上面未來的開發跟下面的這個轉乘跟交通都是互蒙其利的\n二、審查114年度二、審查114年度二、審查114年度二、審查114年度二、審查114年度\n除了藍線,藍線現在台中要拚動工明年要動工那現在我的個人看法藍線事實上現在只做半套啦另外一個延伸線如果能夠一起做的話還叫做整套的啦因為現在的藍線是從海線延伸到甘城而已那對不起從海線到甘城\nnetesle 從甘城我要延伸進去屯區那現行我知道台中市政府規劃進太平那進太平呢太平是一個新興的一個都會型的一個行政區域那已經超過20萬人口所以呢我相信如果延伸進來太平的話可以讓可以讓什麼這一個藍線的一個未來的營運絕對會是有正面強大的效益所以呢我希望\n台中市政府是不是已經把南線延伸太平的這一個可行性已經交通部這邊在審查了嗎?已經在交通部了。已經在交通部了嘛對不對。那交通部部長支持一定要支持那審查快一點。那審查的速度就是趙委員所說的加速來審查。\n我希望我們建議我們期待那藍線的延伸到太平端可以呢無縫接軌的能夠一併的施工啦如果說你前面的可行性研究還有可行性跟重規可以加快速度的話那我們預計的藍線現行核定的藍線\nadequang動工沒關係雖然有時間差但是呢我們可以並案處理我覺得這是一個態度而且是一個有效率的一個處理方式嗎可以嗎部長我們覺得可以並案處理如果兩岸可以並案處理即便是南線的前期已經先開工我們太平的這一段在後期跟上其實是可以的\n您的態度很重要。前一任交通部長李孟彥,他是堅定的告訴我他願意支持合併病案來處理。那陳世凱部長,你現在的部長態度也很重要。當然也是支持啊。\n支持病案處理。病案處理之後我們可以無縫接軌合併施工施工他是可以我知道你們都是專家捷運的施工是可以分標分包然後是可以不同的時間點希望能夠陸陸續續的動工動工完之後未來通車也是可以階段性我們希望就是一次能夠做到好啦\n這沒有問題嘛好不好部長因為我相信大台中的捷運網路需要部長你大力的支持綠線、藍線、橘線還有呢大屏幕的紫線那都是呢剛好都是在大台中的一個人口非常稠密的一個都會型的行政區域裡面\n結運入網要營運成功就一定要有人口支撐啦對不對好不好那當然更重要的是中央的支持啦再拜託部長好不好好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.210 --> 00:07.093\n謝謝主席召委我們是不是請陳思凱部長陳部長部長好早安早在我諮詢之前告訴你一個消息不知道你有沒有手上及時知道本來這個禮拜三要停靠台中港的挪威奮進號郵輪不來了\n\n00:29.488 --> 00:45.130\n你應該還不知道這早上一早的收到訊息喔身為台中人我們一直在積極的在推動這個郵輪的一個商機那郵輪的觀光是可以讓台中港活絡那\n\n00:45.831 --> 01:08.030\n好不容易好不容易破蛋了啦今年終於在12月有一艘郵輪要進來結果聽說是氣候的因素啦我不曉得這個等一下你會後可以再去詢問一下再去了解一下我們還是希望說台中港在交通部的努力之下跟地方政府的積極配合之下還是希望期待\n\n01:08.931 --> 01:10.111\n二、審查114年度二、審查114年度二、審查114年度\n\n01:36.437 --> 01:56.090\n那他們呢這兩條線喔事實上對台中的捷運網來講非常重要剛剛蘇越委有提到了綠線綠線現在要延伸到大坑那往南要延伸到彰化那我們都積極而且全力支持喔那只是說這個整個不管是綠線、藍線、橘線喔我們的一個網絡要建立它的轉程\n\n02:00.673 --> 02:22.787\n限與限之間的轉乘必須要方便那才能夠達到它最大的一個效益那也能夠方便我們不管是國內外的旅客還有我們自己的市民轉乘但是現在在台中火車站我們上次我相信我們局長知道我在交通委員會有諮詢然後我們也有去考察\n\n02:23.567 --> 02:35.466\n那現在藍線橘線的這個轉乘的距離上次考察局長有跟我們說了幾個方案那目前你知道臺中市政府的規劃進度為何?請局長\n\n02:40.141 --> 02:55.696\n跟委員報告就局限的可行性研究市政府在上個月22號已經把這個可言報告修正送到交通部這邊來我們最近已經簽報給部裡面打算就是建議部裡面報院召開審查委員會來做後續的確認不對\n\n02:58.078 --> 03:01.181\n當初審查委員會的意見會在中規的時候來做最後的確認。那我們是在臺中在附近...到中規還要多久的時間?\n\n03:15.986 --> 03:30.025\n可言合定之後進行中規應該通常要一年到兩年左右的時間我們希望當然地方政府要努力我們也希望中央審查的速度可不可以再加快一點我們等很久了好不好\n\n03:31.486 --> 03:49.327\n接下來我就要問喔那如果說已經有進度那也有相關的在談論這個轉成的設計要更方便創造旅客捷運台鐵都能夠三引喔我現在有一個實體的這個照片就是現在預留為轉運站的一個土地嘛那還有\n\n03:50.348 --> 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