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00:01:39,139\n坦白講我去看的是蠻感動的那個學校掛著我們的國旗然後上著繁體中文用的是我們學校我們國家的課程還被馬來西亞因為馬來西亞我們都知道他在一帶一路跟中國關係很好表示這個學校辦得好到他們捨不得把你否決掉那我現在問題來了我要請教就是你知道我們的在海外的我們台籍的學生從國小到高中其實是有補助的\n\n6\n00:01:40,287 --> 00:01:48,355\n在中國地區在中國呢我們的所謂的台商學校每個學生每學年補助多少錢你知道嗎\n\n7\n00:01:49,502 --> 00:02:11,565\n你不曉得三萬五千元就在中國的台商學校每學年上下學期補助三萬五千元的學費是我們台灣補助喔因為他是我們台灣是教育部補助的對補助的對然後呢我們在馬來西亞在海外的台灣學校像這個吉隆坡台灣學校你知道我們補助多少錢\n\n8\n00:02:13,545 --> 00:02:34,305\n我們基本上沒有補助學費有一萬塊我們是五千五千上下學期各五千那我就不懂了一樣是台灣人的子弟在中國讀補助每學年三萬五千元台灣的子弟在吉隆坡讀補助上學期五千下學期五千補助一萬嗎\n\n9\n00:02:36,640 --> 00:02:43,812\n來源可能不同的部會但我必須要講對一個台商或者在海外的台灣人來講我的孩子就是台灣的孩子\n\n10\n00:02:45,305 --> 00:03:11,111\n那吉隆坡的台灣學校辦得不錯我剛才念他的成績辦得不錯啊課綱是108課綱啊讀的是台灣的書啊課本也不會被人家塗黑黑的啊在中國的台商學校看到中華民國還給你塗成黑字欸國旗化成黑旗還要審批你的教科書在中國要被審查結果一個學生補助三萬五我沒有意見那是我們台灣的子弟\n\n11\n00:03:12,231 --> 00:03:29,378\n父母在中國經商孩子有必要受教育那我們的納稅人補助自己的子弟OK的那為什麼我們台商在馬來西亞就補助一萬塊而已跟委員報告這部分的補助全部都是來自教育部那預算也都編在教育部你覺得合理嗎\n\n12\n00:03:30,118 --> 00:03:57,518\n我也覺得應該要有一致性那重點在於說我們在東南亞其實有總共五所越南、泰國、馬來西亞印尼有兩所然後我們東北亞事實上日本有三所台灣學校或者華僑學校我們叫做中華學校事實上這個補助的金額呢我的理解是教育部自己去訂的\n\n13\n00:03:58,319 --> 00:04:23,128\n那重點是東南亞這五個學校他們現在不是全部都是臺灣中華民國籍的學生他們也有相當外籍的所以委員長我現在講我剛才是強調我知道我一開始是說有八個國家的學生嘛我現在講的是我們臺灣的子弟在海外讀臺灣學校吉隆坡這所他就叫臺灣school從幼兒園到高三然後他升國期用我們的課綱\n\n14\n00:04:25,189 --> 00:04:27,071\n基本上用跟臺灣的學校一致。\n\n15\n00:04:41,158 --> 00:04:47,325\n對於這樣子優良他如果用的是別國的課綱名職又隱晦課程被審查老師用外國人我沒有意見可是這個是台灣學校用我們的課綱我們的教材\n\n16\n00:04:58,737 --> 00:04:59,778\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬\n\n17\n00:05:16,849 --> 00:05:40,375\n你要講我也可以羅列在中國的臺商小學該有都有都不一樣我現在講一樣的名目叫做學費補助針對臺裔的臺籍的學生的學費補助所以今天他在馬來西亞他在越南他在印尼一學年我們現在是補助一萬塊可是他如果是在中國那邊讀臺商小學一學年三萬五千塊那我覺得\n\n18\n00:05:41,376 --> 00:05:45,550\n確實很不公平講不出一個道理來嘛講不出一個道理北部都一樣都台灣人\n\n19\n00:05:48,012 --> 00:06:16,619\n坦白講在東南亞讀的東西還更像台灣的那他百分之一百高中畢業都到台灣讀大學所以我覺得不患寡而患不均啊你們要跟教育部談那我覺得我們那天去看三個黨的委員都認為這該處理我們那天在那邊大家都認為該處理所以請你正式跟教育部講這幾所用著我們國家的國旗台灣的名稱台灣的108課綱台灣的教材子弟又是我們台灣的子女的話\n\n20\n00:06:17,099 --> 00:06:19,320\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算關於僑務委員會主管信託基金\n\n21\n00:06:40,546 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