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00:01:42,611\n我想我們都不會覺得自己是菜鳥算了這個好就這句話所以你可以認同為什麼我要一直追我覺得是一個公平正義一個公道我們來看一下113年10月16你們給我三個回函第一個回函16日用人單位考量0元具20年以上的國會經驗你們需要這是10月1611月8號\n\n6\n00:01:46,263 --> 00:02:06,801\n又給我一個回函:「經了解該員資格與徵才公告資格的確有不符。」這是11月8號的來我們看到11月20突然給我一個回函:「林員為輔仁大學哲學系碩士畢業與徵才公告資格卻有不符。」\n\n7\n00:02:07,501 --> 00:02:25,906\n即刻終止勞動契約。部長,食藥署的人事案我問了很多次了。部長,之前同意的理由是什麼?最後辭退零信付審查員的理由又是什麼?對照一、二、三,三個回函,現在你要怎麼轉回來?\n\n8\n00:02:28,206 --> 00:02:30,469\n您不覺得你整個就是在烏龍轉桌嗎?您不覺得你整個就是在烏龍轉桌嗎?\n\n9\n00:02:44,744 --> 00:02:58,343\n對兩個另外被取的要怎麼交代他們都是公平的領選機制以為國家可以信任卻沒想到敗給的關說領員的薪資他的任職因為有做所以我們要發\n\n10\n00:02:59,484 --> 00:03:20,800\n這一點沒錯,但是錯誤的聘任是署內的長官,那麼發給林園的公帑要不要追回?還是這些長官要私人來墊付?署內的長官用寄生戒就可以抹掉所有的關說,還有沒有去落實誘人制度的公平、公正、公開的一個精神,難道我們不用追究嗎?\n\n11\n00:03:21,881 --> 00:03:39,094\n拜臨很可惡但是接受關說更可惡接受關說還關關相誤是超級可惡所以我要問一下我們現在企科組的許昭凱組長難道寄生戒就可以了事了嗎生戒有什麼好怕的\n\n12\n00:03:40,083 --> 00:03:58,693\n到時候將功補過不就補回來了?莊署長您在學術界擔任教職應該享有很高的一個聲望您之前捨棄教職入朝為官短短半年今天我們回顧之前的記者會上面說的一個說法署長你說啊該位人員研究所的確不在徵求的範圍內\n\n13\n00:04:00,234 --> 00:04:21,308\n但是,署長表示,尊重用人單位的推薦,他的通過文件是你簽的。跟現在實際狀況做對比,你當初的說法跟學術界的一個所謂的作假論文又有什麼差別?跟學生考試作弊抓到以後理由還一堆,有什麼不同?\n\n14\n00:04:22,318 --> 00:04:46,427\n部長,這個火鐘像會燒相於你。你要不要道歉?還要給另外兩位被娶的人一個道歉。你要不要為這個領導無方來做道歉?這是你6月以後開始上任所爭財的。你要不要明明不符合誘人資格卻在院會、在卓榮泰院長旁邊、在國會殿堂上面說謊而道歉?\n\n15\n00:04:47,747 --> 00:05:13,845\n這個用人明顯的沒有符合用人制度今天我要再次的聲明我要求你道歉的不是只是對於本席而是對於這些被娶人員沒有接收到公平公正而且扭曲了事實讓社會的弱勢沒有良好家庭的背景的小孩在求職的路上輸在了起跑點就因為他沒有背景就因為他沒有人關說向社會來道歉\n\n16\n00:05:14,525 --> 00:05:28,837\n我想這個部分也要給這些備取生一個公道您不道歉我一定追到為止部長您在這個部分上我希望您有一個說法謝謝委員的關心跟吹醒我想\n\n17\n00:05:30,456 --> 00:05:31,398\n稍後的信息就是尊重用人單位齁這個其實每一個\n\n18\n00:05:48,820 --> 00:05:52,201\n對於這個社會弱勢並沒有良好背景的孩子在求職路上輸在的關說\n\n19\n00:06:12,250 --> 00:06:21,542\n這個部分或者是他在所謂的並不符合用人規則但是他卻可以錄取你要不要跟這兩位備取生跟社會大眾做一個交代\n\n20\n00:06:23,811 --> 00:06:48,646\n我想這個部分應該當時的考量齁那個用人的單位的考量是齁那個哇你一直在結巴欸我先救你啊我先救你我先講另外一個案件齁因為我們就不要拖在這個世界上人事案的另一件事情陳姓紀師衛福部跟我回答成員在109年7月1號因配合組內的業務\n\n21\n00:06:50,107 --> 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--> 00:10.664\n委員質詢。好,謝謝召委。有請部長。部長請。\n\n00:17.848 --> 00:33.056\n部長,謝謝。我想部長跟署長的一個誠意我感受到了,但是私底下我們講歸講,但是公務上還是照規矩來。那我想問一下部長,部長請問一下你第一次當立委的時候是哪一年?\n\n00:34.924 --> 00:36.727\n如果你質詢的提出正確的一個事實\n\n00:51.008 --> 01:17.347\n指正政府要求改善回應的時候政府官員因為你是菜鳥立委就以機非程式糊弄的方式回應你公開記者會打臉你然後不久就按照你陳述的事實來處理並且告訴你這個答案啊就是你要求的請問一下你知道會感覺怎麼樣是憎怒要求道歉還是摸摸鼻子覺得自己菜鳥算了您覺得呢\n\n01:18.067 --> 01:42.611\n我想我們都不會覺得自己是菜鳥算了這個好就這句話所以你可以認同為什麼我要一直追我覺得是一個公平正義一個公道我們來看一下113年10月16你們給我三個回函第一個回函16日用人單位考量0元具20年以上的國會經驗你們需要這是10月1611月8號\n\n01:46.263 --> 02:06.801\n又給我一個回函:「經了解該員資格與徵才公告資格的確有不符。」這是11月8號的來我們看到11月20突然給我一個回函:「林員為輔仁大學哲學系碩士畢業與徵才公告資格卻有不符。」\n\n02:07.501 --> 02:25.906\n即刻終止勞動契約。部長,食藥署的人事案我問了很多次了。部長,之前同意的理由是什麼?最後辭退零信付審查員的理由又是什麼?對照一、二、三,三個回函,現在你要怎麼轉回來?\n\n02:28.206 --> 02:30.469\n您不覺得你整個就是在烏龍轉桌嗎?您不覺得你整個就是在烏龍轉桌嗎?\n\n02:44.744 --> 02:58.343\n對兩個另外被取的要怎麼交代他們都是公平的領選機制以為國家可以信任卻沒想到敗給的關說領員的薪資他的任職因為有做所以我們要發\n\n02:59.484 --> 03:20.800\n這一點沒錯,但是錯誤的聘任是署內的長官,那麼發給林園的公帑要不要追回?還是這些長官要私人來墊付?署內的長官用寄生戒就可以抹掉所有的關說,還有沒有去落實誘人制度的公平、公正、公開的一個精神,難道我們不用追究嗎?\n\n03:21.881 --> 03:39.094\n拜臨很可惡但是接受關說更可惡接受關說還關關相誤是超級可惡所以我要問一下我們現在企科組的許昭凱組長難道寄生戒就可以了事了嗎生戒有什麼好怕的\n\n03:40.083 --> 03:58.693\n到時候將功補過不就補回來了?莊署長您在學術界擔任教職應該享有很高的一個聲望您之前捨棄教職入朝為官短短半年今天我們回顧之前的記者會上面說的一個說法署長你說啊該位人員研究所的確不在徵求的範圍內\n\n04:00.234 --> 04:21.308\n但是,署長表示,尊重用人單位的推薦,他的通過文件是你簽的。跟現在實際狀況做對比,你當初的說法跟學術界的一個所謂的作假論文又有什麼差別?跟學生考試作弊抓到以後理由還一堆,有什麼不同?\n\n04:22.318 --> 04:46.427\n部長,這個火鐘像會燒相於你。你要不要道歉?還要給另外兩位被娶的人一個道歉。你要不要為這個領導無方來做道歉?這是你6月以後開始上任所爭財的。你要不要明明不符合誘人資格卻在院會、在卓榮泰院長旁邊、在國會殿堂上面說謊而道歉?\n\n04:47.747 --> 05:13.845\n這個用人明顯的沒有符合用人制度今天我要再次的聲明我要求你道歉的不是只是對於本席而是對於這些被娶人員沒有接收到公平公正而且扭曲了事實讓社會的弱勢沒有良好家庭的背景的小孩在求職的路上輸在了起跑點就因為他沒有背景就因為他沒有人關說向社會來道歉\n\n05:14.525 --> 05:28.837\n我想這個部分也要給這些備取生一個公道您不道歉我一定追到為止部長您在這個部分上我希望您有一個說法謝謝委員的關心跟吹醒我想\n\n05:30.456 --> 05:31.398\n稍後的信息就是尊重用人單位齁這個其實每一個\n\n05:48.820 --> 05:52.201\n對於這個社會弱勢並沒有良好背景的孩子在求職路上輸在的關說\n\n06:12.250 --> 06:21.542\n這個部分或者是他在所謂的並不符合用人規則但是他卻可以錄取你要不要跟這兩位備取生跟社會大眾做一個交代\n\n06:23.811 --> 06:48.646\n我想這個部分應該當時的考量齁那個用人的單位的考量是齁那個哇你一直在結巴欸我先救你啊我先救你我先講另外一個案件齁因為我們就不要拖在這個世界上人事案的另一件事情陳姓紀師衛福部跟我回答成員在109年7月1號因配合組內的業務\n\n06:50.107 --> 07:09.905\n來做一個整合,調整藥品組第三科藥界種資成員與生產這兩間藥商具有二等級以內的親屬關係食藥署卻仍不避嫌,仍執意要調這個該職究竟如何同意?理由為何?藥品組林建陽組長有關係嗎?\n\n07:11.485 --> 07:26.738\n最重要的是我有發文所知喔但是食藥署竟然拒絕回答請問部長這個表格為什麼會拒答?這表格有什麼問題嗎?上週五我又重新發文一次請問這一次可不可以以我畫好的表格來據實回答?\n\n07:28.195 --> 07:31.057\n我請署長回答一下好了。\n\n07:51.346 --> 07:53.067\n主委,先告訴社會大眾,他是不是二等親?\n\n08:07.537 --> 08:08.518\n一個案子．一個案子\n\n08:36.115 --> 09:00.943\n大家有聽到嗎有一個案子不小心沒有避嫌到真的很抱歉那個案子是他要求在展演那我們是在書審的時候不管這個案子是什麼有沒有避嫌到是今天法規規定要求的你告訴大家了有一個案子沒有避嫌到這就是為什麼我們要追的原因嘛所以我要講的是今天會追你們不是沒有原因\n\n09:01.343 --> 09:03.204\n我想這個部分您要最後回答,我給你10秒。\n\n09:23.806 --> 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