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00:01:42,378\n市長有這個想法您並不果斷,我們先來看一個影片環島高鐵我覺得不是夢,未來的工程技術會越來越強\n\n6\n00:01:45,083 --> 00:01:46,224\n我不曉得我是不是請局長好不好\n\n7\n00:02:18,502 --> 00:02:31,558\n民國87年,那土木工程是什麼時候完工的?土木工程應該在96年通車前3年左右吧。您知道這樣子花費多長的時間嗎?\n\n8\n00:02:32,812 --> 00:02:49,674\n我們高鐵的規劃是在民國79年開始規劃87年動工96年通車是從規劃然後到通車總共花了17年那部長你有提到就是未來的10年20年如果未來20年我們希望可以看到環島高鐵那是不是現在就要來開始進行規劃\n\n9\n00:02:53,473 --> 00:03:17,064\n當然我們軌道的建設是一段一段我們當然剛剛也有其他的委員在質詢的內容就是往屏東的方向這一段先拉過去那也有另外一個議題也正在執行當中就是說拉往宜蘭的部分我們一段一段的往外拉不過這兩段其實還是要花一些時間目前也都還在規劃的階段而已\n\n10\n00:03:17,324 --> 00:03:39,852\n也還在規劃的階段,有更明確的,除了規劃的階段之外,還有沒有其他的評估,像是地質還有它的效益跟它的安全性?有,其實往宜蘭的延伸已經在環評,環評做完,在環評當中。南部的這個方案其實也都還沒有進入到綜合規劃,因為我們路線都還沒有選擇出來,所以其實都還要一段時間。\n\n11\n00:03:40,632 --> 00:04:02,465\n那本席剛才就是問到部長是因為想要表達在25年前的臺灣就有能力將就可以能夠在6年內將臺灣的西部高鐵完工那這代表臺灣的基礎建設能力是非常優秀的那請問部長您認同嗎就是您看到這個當時我們在興建這個臺灣西部的高速鐵路從他的可行性研究然後到他營運通車\n\n12\n00:04:03,865 --> 00:04:08,629\n總預算案關於交通部運輸安全調查委員會單位預算案關於交通部運輸安全調查委員會單位預算案關於交通部運輸安全調查委員會單位預算\n\n13\n00:04:28,564 --> 00:04:36,330\n會更高,那您認為自愛男性的部分會是什麼樣的因素呢?這個要實質去規劃的時候才會知道啦。實質的規劃,那會需要多長的時間?多長時間?\n\n14\n00:04:40,282 --> 00:04:41,222\nbicy、邀請國家運輸安全調查委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任\n\n15\n00:05:04,248 --> 00:05:31,070\n但是日本的新幹線是全世界第一個投入商業營運的高速鐵路系統那本席要舉例像是日本第一條的新幹線為東京往大阪的東海道幹線他是在1964年10月1號通車營運的那他目前有十幾條線是由日本的JR集團他旗下無家的JR集團公司負責如果我們引進就是海外的技術我想應該不會有太大的難度\n\n16\n00:05:31,770 --> 00:05:32,391\n關於我們台鐵討票的問題\n\n17\n00:05:47,086 --> 00:06:14,225\n那這一部分部長您應該很清楚吧是是是是那在今年因為我們10月23日也有專報那針對民眾攻擊台鐵基層站務人員還有惡意逃票的行為本席有對我們台鐵的董事長提出質詢那當時本席是以這個路某這個逃票的專家他已經算是職業的逃票慣犯了那多次也被拍到被民眾拍到上部長或是我們上youtube也可以看到只要搜尋逃票\n\n18\n00:06:14,825 --> 00:06:38,874\n都有非常多的影片那逃票已經不是個案了如果繼續縱容下去的話這不僅是台鐵的損失也是給社會帶來不良的風氣那本席這邊也看到那光是以我們嚴列車長就是我們台鐵的列車長他曾經有說過他個人最高紀錄他單月就查漏了500張補票的張數那補票金額高達10萬元那這邊想請教部長還有我們的局長要怎麼來解決這個問題\n\n19\n00:06:43,971 --> 00:07:04,393\n投票的部分其實我覺得當然台鐵的列車長大家都很辛苦不斷在車上做查票的動作那再來就是說進出那個閘口的查驗的部分可能要更落實就是說他進站的時候或許是用刷卡的或許是用實體票的這個進出站的查驗可能要比過去再更落實一些\n\n20\n00:07:05,314 --> 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06:38.874\n都有非常多的影片那逃票已經不是個案了如果繼續縱容下去的話這不僅是台鐵的損失也是給社會帶來不良的風氣那本席這邊也看到那光是以我們嚴列車長就是我們台鐵的列車長他曾經有說過他個人最高紀錄他單月就查漏了500張補票的張數那補票金額高達10萬元那這邊想請教部長還有我們的局長要怎麼來解決這個問題\n\n06:43.971 --> 07:04.393\n投票的部分其實我覺得當然台鐵的列車長大家都很辛苦不斷在車上做查票的動作那再來就是說進出那個閘口的查驗的部分可能要更落實就是說他進站的時候或許是用刷卡的或許是用實體票的這個進出站的查驗可能要比過去再更落實一些\n\n07:05.314 --> 07:30.053\n因為有基層第一線的同仁他們也有提到說臺鐵公司並沒有賦予臺鐵員工在法律上的強制力那這樣子他們要怎麼來做取締呢?如果遇到這種狀況大概我們會找鐵路警察除了鐵路警察之外呢?我們是不是要該研議來修法?可是即便是修法也不太可能賦予臺鐵的員工執法的權利\n\n07:32.861 --> 08:00.387\n部長您這邊提到的是沒有辦法賦予台鐵員工的強制力那這邊那投票我們只能仰賴鐵路警察來做查緝嗎?報告委員如果說我們在法令上面如果可以做更強制力的賦予台鐵的員工的話那剛剛局長在說北捷很像就可以有這個強制力這我們可以來研究這可以來研究那請局長再與法務部還有我們的內政部來一起進行發布會的討論\n\n08:01.327 --> 08:20.255\n最後這邊本席也要再提醒一次部長是捷運山陰縣延伸至巴德依岸部長您應該不陌生吧現在已經78天了請部長務必要提醒院長盡快將捷運山陰縣延伸至巴德依岸盡快來核定謝謝部長謝謝委員\n\n","segments":[{"start":5.502,"end":6.95,"text":"謝謝主席,有請交通部陳部長陳部長"},{"start":18.068,"end":42.125,"text":"部長好本席今天要跟您討論的是我們臺灣的高速鐵路那本席有看到您在12日的時候接受媒體訪問的時候有表示喔軌道運輸都是一段一段的發展那換到高鐵要看未來的科技然後還有未來政府的財政狀況但現在的建設都會預留違規提供未來延伸的可能那部長您還有說到現在雖然您現在沒有辦法告訴大家"},{"start":43.025,"end":44.667,"text":" bicyn 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