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00:01:41,712\n誰興建誰招標應該是交通部嘛對不對很久很久以前交通部做規劃設計交通部來招標對不對我不瞞部長講本席過去一段時間很常說我是國產化的非常積極的倡議者那很多時候不管是別的業者甚至連我們自己的政府單位都會講說哎呀這個耗資系統的技術門檻非常高即便你這個合作拿你恐怕台車做做車廂那也就算了\n\n6\n00:01:42,412 --> 00:01:43,813\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於國家運輸安全調查委員會單位預算。��\n\n7\n00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:18,794\n現在這個狀況就是本來的英維斯公司因為被德商西門子收購然後後來舊的列車已經全部停產變成我新的列車只能用新的耗資系統新的耗資系統只能做季節延伸線沒有辦法開A1到A22這幾站的一個狀況那請問這狀況到底應該怎麼處理?\n\n8\n00:02:23,208 --> 00:02:48,121\n我們現在有什麼樣的條件去要求這個耗製廠商西門子去提出合理的改善方案嗎?有辦法嗎?部長請回答或鐵道局長一哥也好這個如果目前有辦法的話應該不會卡在這裡啦是啊大概是沒有辦法提出一個比較能夠快速改善的方案所以其實交通部這邊包含鐵道局也都支持說我們這個耗製提早重製的這個部分我們也都支持好提早重製大概花多少錢?\n\n9\n00:02:49,343 --> 00:02:55,085\n五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於國家運輸安全調查委員會單位預算案關於國家運輸安全調查委員會單位預算案關於國家運輸安全調查委員會單位預算\n\n10\n00:03:11,792 --> 00:03:22,763\n它其實是相對來講沒有佔這麼多的財政資源那麼我現在想請問就是中央預計這個提供桃園市提供桃桀公司多少的一個支持多少支持對\n\n11\n00:03:25,140 --> 00:03:45,567\n我請局長好不好?可以好跟委員報告齁其實積極系統的重置費用我們曾經在對價方案裡面有做過估算齁現在只是大家對當年估算的這一個重置費用的這個這個當年估的數字跟現在實際執行有落差所以我想這個可能我們要再跟台灣市政府來做一些溝通跟協調\n\n12\n00:03:46,147 --> 00:04:13,625\n你現在有重置嘛有資產移轉嘛還有徵購列車嘛大概這三件事情嘛好那把耗資加進來其實也就是一併處理這一點我非常支持這個文哲昭委員在一塊一起討論那這個東西我本期的要求是絕對是要由中央來出面擔負更多的責任因為機場捷運它其實是跨域的嘛它也不是只是桃園市的問題今天如果是桃園市自己的捷運你講說地方要有更多的責任那也就算了但機場捷運是國家的門面它也跨越了台北市跟新北市嘛對不對你如果只是把這個東西轉嫁給地方政府造成\n\n13\n00:04:14,105 --> 00:04:15,006\nbicyclist審查114年度\n\n14\n00:04:35,649 --> 00:04:39,111\n總預算案關於國家運輸安全調查委員會單位預算案關於國家運輸安全調查委員會單位預算案關於國家運輸安全調查委員會單位預算案關於國家運輸安全調查委員會單位預算案關於國家運輸安全調查委員會\n\n15\n00:05:04,185 --> 00:05:18,310\n這是不是請部長回答一下?是,我們可以趕快來找桃園市政府,大家一起來協調這件事情。剛剛陸委員魯昭偉也有特別指示說,整包來談。確實也是應該要整包來談,才談得出結果。那什麼時候來談?\n\n16\n00:05:23,021 --> 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