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00:01:55,633\n雖然有些可能沒有到達職場的霸凌但是因為可能行政不當或者是沒有領導不當也都有分別給他記過或申請我的意思是說有沒有可能是主管太想升官了一直想要講求績效然後都不管這些員工的生死或是感受那是不是也有一個基礎說如果你是當了師長或是當主管級兩年到四年那個\n\n5\n00:01:56,894 --> 00:02:13,861\n人調一個單位不然如果這個他碰到一個課長是非常嚴謹然後這個這裡面的科室永遠都是處在高壓狀態是不是一個正常的輪替是不是有可能我想我們一定會改善來精進整個紳士的管道所以如果有\n\n6\n00:02:15,261 --> 00:02:43,005\n最近比較忙我比較少看email結果這兩天看了email就收到了一個衛福部同仁的一個投訴我念一下衛福部會計處科長霸凌同仁先前被投訴的時候主計總處總推給衛福部會計處自己處理又是一個求援兼裁判的案子被霸凌者已超過數十人也未見正式立案調查\n\n7\n00:02:43,585 --> 00:02:55,322\n主計總處跟衛福部會計處根本就是關關相護．會計處長還以面談的名義找同仁聊天．實際上是在抓投訴的人而不是去處理霸凌同仁的某某科長．\n\n8\n00:02:56,536 --> 00:03:17,867\n我收到的這個裡面他是有具名的只是如果你們私底下找我會給你們是不是要等到我在衛福部衛福部到六樓會計處用生命做最沉重的控訴才要處理衛福部會計處至今仍沒有任何作為科長做出任何實質處分處長只是想著升官所以能拖就拖\n\n9\n00:03:19,619 --> 00:03:45,372\n等輿論過了再輪到其他的部會這樣就不用負督導部座的責任然後不願意傾聽同仁說的只願意相信鱷魚的眼淚這樣的一個處理態度這就是造成某某科長一而再再而三霸凌同仁不收斂的溫床會計處的長官就是共犯希望委員能救救我們徹底制止這種行為我的意思就是說我念了這篇我是看到我是非常驚訝\n\n10\n00:03:46,272 --> 00:03:46,292\n盧縣一\n\n11\n00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:28,702\n跟委員報告關於這個同仁他的投訴其實我們之前已經收過非常多個投訴那我們其實事實上也有特別去做處理那我們訪談同仁的目的其實不是在抓投訴者而是在了解是不是有霸凌的事實那在這樣子的情況之下我們都會再告訴同仁說請同仁如果確實認為這個科長有霸凌的事實請他尋正式的管道可以讓我們去做立案調查\n\n12\n00:04:29,322 --> 00:04:51,849\n那到目前為止因為像因為投訴的狀況非常的多那我們為了要方便部裡面可以可以去做這個所謂的立案調查的這樣的事情還有就是說我們要確保我們目前在職的同仁他願意坦誠的去跟這個去去去陳述說他是不是真的有遭到霸凌這樣的情況所以我們現在已經先把這位科長先調離現職嘿\n\n13\n00:04:53,570 --> 00:04:57,473\n我看到這裡面的8個調查裡面沒有他的會計處所以我今天會特別提出來是這個原因這8個裡面立案調查的這個結果\n\n14\n00:05:08,426 --> 00:05:32,837\n主要就是因為他這份是匿名的投訴案件那還有就是說我們事實上我們也針對這個科長也做了一些必要的一些調整跟處理好謝謝那第二個就是我去我昨天在金門成立服務處那到金門其實最直接相關的當然就是金門醫院的問題所以昨天我到金門他們就直接給我陳情了就是我稍微念一下我的陳情書\n\n15\n00:05:35,018 --> 00:05:43,850\n好他說氣到不想隱藏了對就是金門醫院醫生們跟長官們動動你的腦袋想一想一家地區醫院\n\n16\n00:05:45,124 --> 00:06:05,066\n一次要離職將近20位護理師到底是為什麼是因為醫生們不斷壓榨霸凌護理師對他就是霸凌就這樣子一直念下去也就是說他們認為他們被醫院霸凌然後造成一次離職20位護理師所以我希望衛福部這邊能夠做一個調查\n\n17\n00:06:06,248 --> 00:06:17,608\n他還有壓榨他們的留任獎金還有如果說你超過30分鐘不算加班的這樣的一個加班的情況是不是就他們所謂的不平齁請問不能用立案調查\n\n18\n00:06:19,889 --> 00:06:29,035\n我們一定立案調查不曉得請執行長稍微報告一下各位報告金門醫院歷年的護理人員離職111年大概18個113年就是剛剛提到有13個其實他的離職率這幾年其實都差不多都小於1%各位特別來報告一下離職率也都其實是在我們照護室的整個平台裡面\n\n19\n00:06:48,687 --> 00:07:17,678\n也都有這個明確的數據所以沒有像這邊所提到的這個20位這是第一個要特別說明的第二個因為就是說金門醫院因為是在離島偏鄉的醫院所以我們會有一個所謂臺北農總的IDS的計畫的醫師過去那當然這個部分都是一段期間可能是兩個月或是半年所以在這個部分裡面就是我們有責成金門醫院這裡要把這個所謂的資源的醫師這個部分要更多的教育那我們要\n\n20\n00:07:18,188 --> 00:07:21,509\n也請他們要好好的來善待我們的護理人員那這個部分\n\n21\n00:07:22,325 --> 00:07:49,986\n醫院這邊已經在處理成立一個機制就是在醫師跟護理跟專科醫師這個專科護理師的這方面的工作的協調對工作這方面的界定還有需要有一個在釐清的部分那有關所謂的獎勵金或是說留任獎金那獎勵金我們瞭解其實金門醫院的獎勵金是沒有比過去少是有增加那留任獎金是縣府就是他們有一個就是離島\n\n22\n00:07:50,806 --> 00:08:06,201\n建設基金那過去的是由金門縣府這邊補助那但是因為這個離島的基金在這個部分因為經久的關係比較少所以在這今年由縣府給金門醫院的這個所謂的這個基金的補助裡面減少大概有8折打8折\n\n23\n00:08:08,183 --> 00:08:12,206\n所以他們的感受覺得是有少所以這個部分我們還要再跟縣府這邊再來溝通一下\n\n24\n00:08:40,626 --> 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--> 00:31.355\n委員好部長好我們都是醫生那我想說衛福部這樣一個部門聽到衛福部這兩個字如果你是一個一般的年輕人他要考公務員然後他選擇我來衛福部的原因是什麼\n\n00:32.560 --> 00:59.975\n是不是要去照顧人是不是要去處理所謂的心理健康啦或者是長期照顧啊或者是醫療這個部分結果到了醫療部門衛福部這個單位看到那麼多的霸凌案人家會怎麼年輕人會怎麼想那我還要來這裡幹什麼然後剛才現在的那個調查報告只有三個成立那麼多像不成立然後呢被處分的人都不是主管你有沒有想一個解決的方法\n\n01:01.441 --> 01:17.392\n這幾天你有沒有想一個解決的方法?我想還是跟委員報告這是我們調查消息裡面專家的一個專業的一個他們經過了那個問卷以及深入訪談的客觀證據還有他們依照法規這樣定出來的一個結論那其實\n\n01:29.056 --> 01:55.633\n雖然有些可能沒有到達職場的霸凌但是因為可能行政不當或者是沒有領導不當也都有分別給他記過或申請我的意思是說有沒有可能是主管太想升官了一直想要講求績效然後都不管這些員工的生死或是感受那是不是也有一個基礎說如果你是當了師長或是當主管級兩年到四年那個\n\n01:56.894 --> 02:13.861\n人調一個單位不然如果這個他碰到一個課長是非常嚴謹然後這個這裡面的科室永遠都是處在高壓狀態是不是一個正常的輪替是不是有可能我想我們一定會改善來精進整個紳士的管道所以如果有\n\n02:15.261 --> 02:43.005\n最近比較忙我比較少看email結果這兩天看了email就收到了一個衛福部同仁的一個投訴我念一下衛福部會計處科長霸凌同仁先前被投訴的時候主計總處總推給衛福部會計處自己處理又是一個求援兼裁判的案子被霸凌者已超過數十人也未見正式立案調查\n\n02:43.585 --> 02:55.322\n主計總處跟衛福部會計處根本就是關關相護．會計處長還以面談的名義找同仁聊天．實際上是在抓投訴的人而不是去處理霸凌同仁的某某科長．\n\n02:56.536 --> 03:17.867\n我收到的這個裡面他是有具名的只是如果你們私底下找我會給你們是不是要等到我在衛福部衛福部到六樓會計處用生命做最沉重的控訴才要處理衛福部會計處至今仍沒有任何作為科長做出任何實質處分處長只是想著升官所以能拖就拖\n\n03:19.619 --> 03:45.372\n等輿論過了再輪到其他的部會這樣就不用負督導部座的責任然後不願意傾聽同仁說的只願意相信鱷魚的眼淚這樣的一個處理態度這就是造成某某科長一而再再而三霸凌同仁不收斂的溫床會計處的長官就是共犯希望委員能救救我們徹底制止這種行為我的意思就是說我念了這篇我是看到我是非常驚訝\n\n03:46.272 --> 03:46.292\n盧縣一\n\n04:03.200 --> 04:28.702\n跟委員報告關於這個同仁他的投訴其實我們之前已經收過非常多個投訴那我們其實事實上也有特別去做處理那我們訪談同仁的目的其實不是在抓投訴者而是在了解是不是有霸凌的事實那在這樣子的情況之下我們都會再告訴同仁說請同仁如果確實認為這個科長有霸凌的事實請他尋正式的管道可以讓我們去做立案調查\n\n04:29.322 --> 04:51.849\n那到目前為止因為像因為投訴的狀況非常的多那我們為了要方便部裡面可以可以去做這個所謂的立案調查的這樣的事情還有就是說我們要確保我們目前在職的同仁他願意坦誠的去跟這個去去去陳述說他是不是真的有遭到霸凌這樣的情況所以我們現在已經先把這位科長先調離現職嘿\n\n04:53.570 --> 04:57.473\n我看到這裡面的8個調查裡面沒有他的會計處所以我今天會特別提出來是這個原因這8個裡面立案調查的這個結果\n\n05:08.426 --> 05:32.837\n主要就是因為他這份是匿名的投訴案件那還有就是說我們事實上我們也針對這個科長也做了一些必要的一些調整跟處理好謝謝那第二個就是我去我昨天在金門成立服務處那到金門其實最直接相關的當然就是金門醫院的問題所以昨天我到金門他們就直接給我陳情了就是我稍微念一下我的陳情書\n\n05:35.018 --> 05:43.850\n好他說氣到不想隱藏了對就是金門醫院醫生們跟長官們動動你的腦袋想一想一家地區醫院\n\n05:45.124 --> 06:05.066\n一次要離職將近20位護理師到底是為什麼是因為醫生們不斷壓榨霸凌護理師對他就是霸凌就這樣子一直念下去也就是說他們認為他們被醫院霸凌然後造成一次離職20位護理師所以我希望衛福部這邊能夠做一個調查\n\n06:06.248 --> 06:17.608\n他還有壓榨他們的留任獎金還有如果說你超過30分鐘不算加班的這樣的一個加班的情況是不是就他們所謂的不平齁請問不能用立案調查\n\n06:19.889 --> 06:29.035\n我們一定立案調查不曉得請執行長稍微報告一下各位報告金門醫院歷年的護理人員離職111年大概18個113年就是剛剛提到有13個其實他的離職率這幾年其實都差不多都小於1%各位特別來報告一下離職率也都其實是在我們照護室的整個平台裡面\n\n06:48.687 --> 07:17.678\n也都有這個明確的數據所以沒有像這邊所提到的這個20位這是第一個要特別說明的第二個因為就是說金門醫院因為是在離島偏鄉的醫院所以我們會有一個所謂臺北農總的IDS的計畫的醫師過去那當然這個部分都是一段期間可能是兩個月或是半年所以在這個部分裡面就是我們有責成金門醫院這裡要把這個所謂的資源的醫師這個部分要更多的教育那我們要\n\n07:18.188 --> 07:21.509\n也請他們要好好的來善待我們的護理人員那這個部分\n\n07:22.325 --> 07:49.986\n醫院這邊已經在處理成立一個機制就是在醫師跟護理跟專科醫師這個專科護理師的這方面的工作的協調對工作這方面的界定還有需要有一個在釐清的部分那有關所謂的獎勵金或是說留任獎金那獎勵金我們瞭解其實金門醫院的獎勵金是沒有比過去少是有增加那留任獎金是縣府就是他們有一個就是離島\n\n07:50.806 --> 08:06.201\n建設基金那過去的是由金門縣府這邊補助那但是因為這個離島的基金在這個部分因為經久的關係比較少所以在這今年由縣府給金門醫院的這個所謂的這個基金的補助裡面減少大概有8折打8折\n\n08:08.183 --> 08:12.206\n所以他們的感受覺得是有少所以這個部分我們還要再跟縣府這邊再來溝通一下\n\n08:40.626 --> 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