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{\"word\": \"有\", \"start\": 716.968, \"end\": 716.988, \"score\": 0.0}, {\"word\": \"目\", \"start\": 716.988, \"end\": 717.008, \"score\": 0.0}, {\"word\": \"標\"}, {\"word\": \"好\", \"start\": 722.728, \"end\": 722.808, \"score\": 0.75}, {\"word\": \",\"}, {\"word\": \"謝\"}, {\"word\": \"謝\"}, {\"word\": \"委\", \"start\": 722.808, \"end\": 722.828, \"score\": 0.0}, {\"word\": \"員\"}, {\"word\": \"。\"}], \"language\": \"zh\"}","srt":"1\n00:00:01,578 --> 00:00:06,339\n謝謝召委。請一下陳世凱部長、觀光署、周署長。周署長。部長好、署長好。部長有關於榮耀號在8號因為引擎故障滯留日本沖繩。那在9號的時候質詢我要求盡速地將民眾接回來\n\n2\n00:00:31,709 --> 00:00:49,742\n當時部長好像沒什麼信心,說9號質詢,你認為12號才有辦法將所有的國人接回來台灣。當時我也要求部長要全力督促,後來在10號就已經全部都回來了。\n\n3\n00:00:50,222 --> 00:01:11,742\n比我預計的你講的12號我要求的11號更提前到一天那基本上我們對部長的效率還有民行局的努力基本上給予肯定但是部長這只是一個突發狀況的隨堂小測驗你通過這個考試但是我們交通部最重要的工作還是在於\n\n4\n00:01:12,623 --> 00:01:24,518\n交通安全維護、交通建設的推動還有觀光旅遊的推動都是重要的業務之一。但是我們來看一下我們相關的觀光的\n\n5\n00:01:26,717 --> 00:01:37,741\n現況我們2019年跟2024年出國的人次同期來對比一月到十月2019年1456萬2024年1416萬就是說它恢復的比例出國的人次已經恢復到97.22但是來台灣的國際旅客2019跟2024來做一個比較\n\n6\n00:01:56,428 --> 00:02:22,959\n一至十月2019年973萬2024年一到十月只有620萬恢復的比例只有63.78就是說我們看到這樣的一個衝擊對旅遊的發展這個國人越來越沒有信心了我們觀光署自己公布的台灣觀光旅遊調查報告\n\n7\n00:02:25,015 --> 00:02:44,651\n國人不出國的因素是什麼?主要是假期無法配合有25.9那如果假期可以配合的話出國的人會更多呢?部長到底發生什麼事?為何如此光光的國際旅客來衰退成這種樣子?\n\n8\n00:02:46,666 --> 00:03:13,917\n報告委員因為疫情之後確實台灣的這個國際觀光的旅客恢復的速度不是只有台灣有疫情對全世界都有疫情那其他國家的速度比台灣快那台灣在今年的這個速度確實是慢了一些所以觀光署其實在這段時間也相當努力無論是國外的宣傳或者是說台灣的觀光亮點的努力其實我們都努力在做努力成只有恢復六成這叫努力嗎\n\n9\n00:03:14,717 --> 00:03:33,015\n做得不夠好,所以必須要改進也必須要改善。部長我要提醒你,我們的國際旅客恢復的狀況不佳。日本來台灣的旅客大概只恢復六成。韓國的旅客恢復不到八成。那東南亞比較好一點有將近九成。那相關的\n\n10\n00:03:34,383 --> 00:03:52,226\n部長你認為這個因素到底是什麼簡單說明一下報告委員我覺得可能是台灣疫情也有關係但疫情是全世界都有但我們今年四月遇到了一個地震也確實是影響日本也有地震日本也有地震但是台灣的觀光的那個地震影響的是太魯閣\n\n11\n00:03:52,987 --> 00:04:19,300\n也就是說台灣過去很著重的一個觀光亮點確實受到了影響那這個部分當然不可以作為理由啦這個部分必須要再檢討說為什麼他們來的少那也跟委員報告我們在第四季其實日本跟韓國的旅客其實已經有一些回升了到了現在為止日本來台的旅客已經到了120萬以上超過120萬部長還是只有六成多啦我請教部長你明年啦你定下的\n\n12\n00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:36,481\n國際旅客的目標是多少?報告委員我的想法是這樣今年沒有達到的明年要達到今年設定了1000萬你看你又跟榮耀號的狀況又一樣你有能力推升到1200然後你說就以1000作為目標\n\n13\n00:04:38,442 --> 00:04:57,745\n報告委員這個可能只是個及格的目標啦只是一個及格的目標我們當然希望能夠拉得更高部長我再提醒另外一個觀光的危機就是我們觀光署自己統計的我們29歲以下國人出國旅遊的人次是持續的上升\n\n14\n00:04:58,726 --> 00:05:18,694\n二零一九年的時候是二十四點二八那到二零二四年啊已經上升到二十六點一四這是逐年的上升啊二十九歲以下的年輕人是我們觀光未來發展一個重要的主力啊但是我們的主力不想在台灣旅遊啊想要出國去旅遊啊這個\n\n15\n00:05:21,479 --> 00:05:47,260\n部長你有沒有注意到這個趨勢?有沒有什麼因應的辦法?其實齁國旅的部分齁除了我們要爭取國際旅客之外本國人在國家裡面在我們台灣裡面的旅遊也是很重要也就是說國旅的推動確實在這段時間我們有看到例如說墾丁的國旅的吸引力可能有些下滑然後還有一些其他地方的國旅的吸引力也下滑也有旅客在反映說我們的飯店是不是太貴我覺得這一類的問題要一一來解決\n\n16\n00:05:49,441 --> 00:06:16,322\n讓大家讓國人比較願意留在台灣旅遊?部長我們覺得我們對於觀光產業的危機我們必須要面對問題才能解決問題我們來看我們觀光面臨的困境主要是觀光的統治性高缺乏特色的魅力然後缺乏區域的景點的這種品牌而且旅遊的品質也不佳疫情期間\n\n17\n00:06:17,603 --> 00:06:44,468\n它的轉型跟改善是不足的而且數位運用、資訊及交通整合也不夠好乘車及購票的資訊取得是很困難而且標誌的指引缺失或是雜亂的資訊禁用性非常的差而且宣傳跟特色沒有辦法結合缺乏核心的客群這都是我們面臨很嚴重的問題部長說明一下\n\n18\n00:06:45,808 --> 00:07:03,281\n報告委員您所提的這幾點其實我覺得觀光署應該要就這幾點我們一一來解決這也確實是一般民眾大家目前對於國旅可能信心不足的原因這個其實委員您指的這幾點其實相當的完整那這個部分其實我覺得觀光署應該要\n\n19\n00:07:04,142 --> 00:07:31,781\n一點一點,我們來克服想要搞更有益的現況。好,部長,這是日本的做法為例,日本去年就已經通過了觀光立國的推進基本計畫,他們就是要搭配地方創生來區域性的地方的特色建立起來,來打造區域旅遊的這一種品牌的特色,但是我們一直沒有做好。來,我另外再提到一個,日本2024年他們公布一個觀光政策的白皮書,\n\n20\n00:07:32,962 --> 00:07:59,821\n他們提出2025年消費擴大目標就是要藉由提高旅遊的品質及附加價值使入境的旅客就是訪日的外國人他們每人的平均消費額要提高到20萬日圓就是大概1300美元讓我們羨慕死了1300美元台灣的狀況是什麼疫情前後的平均消費\n\n21\n00:08:00,982 --> 00:08:16,639\n是下降的趨勢2019年國際旅客來台平均消費195美元我們希望看能不能突破200美元後來2023國際旅客來台灣下降到每日平均只有180.67美元來台灣\n\n22\n00:08:21,297 --> 00:08:42,268\n例如開箱越來越久部長你要怎麼做?報告委員在112年我們的這個來台的消費差不多是2700億左右在今年已經達到2826億不要用那種總數來蒙混社會大眾我講的是每日的這種消費部長我簡單問我們的日本他們有這種消費的擴大目標1300美元\n\n23\n00:08:49,704 --> 00:09:18,256\n阿你呢?報告委員這個部分台灣過去是沒有設定這樣子的目標啦消費的目標沒有設定有設定的是人數的目標但委員提醒這一點你要設計沒有目標你在設什麼啦對因為過去沒有設定你作為一個觀光署作為一個交通部你對一個國際旅客來台灣你對他們來台灣消費而且消費我們自己也有統計阿是下滑的趨勢阿然後你現在說我們沒有設目標所以比較安心\n\n24\n00:09:19,669 --> 00:09:45,349\n這是不對的部長我知道委員您現在在說的這個設定目標日本有設定這樣的目標台灣過去沒有設定這樣的目標但未來應該要設定這樣的目標但是這個要給我們一些時間我們來計算一下我們跟經濟部一起來計算因為這個消費的目標不是光由觀光署算的出來要跟經濟部一起來對話觀光署跟交通部也不是昨天才成立然後現在說你們需要時間\n\n25\n00:09:46,841 --> 00:10:07,034\n部長,趕快啊,在預算審查的時候就要提出來,我會再問一次。另外我們必須要建立友善的觀光產業,我們要強化培養地方的知識團體參與,地方的歷史文化或是地方的商店什麼等等,要必須讓他們來參與。\n\n26\n00:10:09,095 --> 00:10:32,832\n而要建立可持續性的這種觀光的模式也要強化人產的培訓強化數位的應用跟整合另外就是要強化交通的銜接及資訊的透明簡化提到交通部長我們必須要改善公共運輸我們也是觀光署自己公布的台灣觀光旅遊調查報告\n\n27\n00:10:34,975 --> 00:10:59,645\n國人旅遊自行駕車的在2019年是63.9然後到今年是提升到68.2自行駕車因為公共運輸不便利所以自己開車比較方便所以這也顯示說我們公共運輸在整合及搭乘的便利上都明顯的不足\n\n28\n00:11:00,792 --> 00:11:17,729\n來部長簡單說明一下是報告委員這個需要加強所以交通部一直在推行公共運輸的這個政策包含TPAS的部分但那個只有針對通勤我們也有延伸到了旅遊的部分但或許宣導不夠或者是路線不夠便利這個部分是需要加強\n\n29\n00:11:18,109 --> 00:11:43,119\n市長都要提出明確的目標啦你榮耀號本來預計是12號才能將所有的旅客都接回來台灣但是你10號就做到了然後你現在對於旅遊的總目標必須要明確你現在只很保守的定在1000不要那麼保守要展現你的自信自信的基礎就是在於你制定相關的政策\n\n30\n00:11:44,019 --> 00:11:57,008\n以及相關的推動的程序以及相關的目標是這樣你才能逐步的去達成啊消費的擴大目標也是一樣啊我們現在不到200美元而且是衰退的日本是定在1300美元你沒有目標\n\n31\n00:12:02,728 --> 00:12:02,828\n好,謝謝委員。\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1578\t6339\t謝謝召委。請一下陳世凱部長、觀光署、周署長。周署長。部長好、署長好。部長有關於榮耀號在8號因為引擎故障滯留日本沖繩。那在9號的時候質詢我要求盡速地將民眾接回來\n31709\t49742\t當時部長好像沒什麼信心,說9號質詢,你認為12號才有辦法將所有的國人接回來台灣。當時我也要求部長要全力督促,後來在10號就已經全部都回來了。\n50222\t71742\t比我預計的你講的12號我要求的11號更提前到一天那基本上我們對部長的效率還有民行局的努力基本上給予肯定但是部長這只是一個突發狀況的隨堂小測驗你通過這個考試但是我們交通部最重要的工作還是在於\n72623\t84518\t交通安全維護、交通建設的推動還有觀光旅遊的推動都是重要的業務之一。但是我們來看一下我們相關的觀光的\n86717\t97741\t現況我們2019年跟2024年出國的人次同期來對比一月到十月2019年1456萬2024年1416萬就是說它恢復的比例出國的人次已經恢復到97.22但是來台灣的國際旅客2019跟2024來做一個比較\n116428\t142959\t一至十月2019年973萬2024年一到十月只有620萬恢復的比例只有63.78就是說我們看到這樣的一個衝擊對旅遊的發展這個國人越來越沒有信心了我們觀光署自己公布的台灣觀光旅遊調查報告\n145015\t164651\t國人不出國的因素是什麼?主要是假期無法配合有25.9那如果假期可以配合的話出國的人會更多呢?部長到底發生什麼事?為何如此光光的國際旅客來衰退成這種樣子?\n166666\t193917\t報告委員因為疫情之後確實台灣的這個國際觀光的旅客恢復的速度不是只有台灣有疫情對全世界都有疫情那其他國家的速度比台灣快那台灣在今年的這個速度確實是慢了一些所以觀光署其實在這段時間也相當努力無論是國外的宣傳或者是說台灣的觀光亮點的努力其實我們都努力在做努力成只有恢復六成這叫努力嗎\n194717\t213015\t做得不夠好,所以必須要改進也必須要改善。部長我要提醒你,我們的國際旅客恢復的狀況不佳。日本來台灣的旅客大概只恢復六成。韓國的旅客恢復不到八成。那東南亞比較好一點有將近九成。那相關的\n214383\t232226\t部長你認為這個因素到底是什麼簡單說明一下報告委員我覺得可能是台灣疫情也有關係但疫情是全世界都有但我們今年四月遇到了一個地震也確實是影響日本也有地震日本也有地震但是台灣的觀光的那個地震影響的是太魯閣\n232987\t259300\t也就是說台灣過去很著重的一個觀光亮點確實受到了影響那這個部分當然不可以作為理由啦這個部分必須要再檢討說為什麼他們來的少那也跟委員報告我們在第四季其實日本跟韓國的旅客其實已經有一些回升了到了現在為止日本來台的旅客已經到了120萬以上超過120萬部長還是只有六成多啦我請教部長你明年啦你定下的\n260320\t276481\t國際旅客的目標是多少?報告委員我的想法是這樣今年沒有達到的明年要達到今年設定了1000萬你看你又跟榮耀號的狀況又一樣你有能力推升到1200然後你說就以1000作為目標\n278442\t297745\t報告委員這個可能只是個及格的目標啦只是一個及格的目標我們當然希望能夠拉得更高部長我再提醒另外一個觀光的危機就是我們觀光署自己統計的我們29歲以下國人出國旅遊的人次是持續的上升\n298726\t318694\t二零一九年的時候是二十四點二八那到二零二四年啊已經上升到二十六點一四這是逐年的上升啊二十九歲以下的年輕人是我們觀光未來發展一個重要的主力啊但是我們的主力不想在台灣旅遊啊想要出國去旅遊啊這個\n321479\t347260\t部長你有沒有注意到這個趨勢?有沒有什麼因應的辦法?其實齁國旅的部分齁除了我們要爭取國際旅客之外本國人在國家裡面在我們台灣裡面的旅遊也是很重要也就是說國旅的推動確實在這段時間我們有看到例如說墾丁的國旅的吸引力可能有些下滑然後還有一些其他地方的國旅的吸引力也下滑也有旅客在反映說我們的飯店是不是太貴我覺得這一類的問題要一一來解決\n349441\t376322\t讓大家讓國人比較願意留在台灣旅遊?部長我們覺得我們對於觀光產業的危機我們必須要面對問題才能解決問題我們來看我們觀光面臨的困境主要是觀光的統治性高缺乏特色的魅力然後缺乏區域的景點的這種品牌而且旅遊的品質也不佳疫情期間\n377603\t404468\t它的轉型跟改善是不足的而且數位運用、資訊及交通整合也不夠好乘車及購票的資訊取得是很困難而且標誌的指引缺失或是雜亂的資訊禁用性非常的差而且宣傳跟特色沒有辦法結合缺乏核心的客群這都是我們面臨很嚴重的問題部長說明一下\n405808\t423281\t報告委員您所提的這幾點其實我覺得觀光署應該要就這幾點我們一一來解決這也確實是一般民眾大家目前對於國旅可能信心不足的原因這個其實委員您指的這幾點其實相當的完整那這個部分其實我覺得觀光署應該要\n424142\t451781\t一點一點,我們來克服想要搞更有益的現況。好,部長,這是日本的做法為例,日本去年就已經通過了觀光立國的推進基本計畫,他們就是要搭配地方創生來區域性的地方的特色建立起來,來打造區域旅遊的這一種品牌的特色,但是我們一直沒有做好。來,我另外再提到一個,日本2024年他們公布一個觀光政策的白皮書,\n452962\t479821\t他們提出2025年消費擴大目標就是要藉由提高旅遊的品質及附加價值使入境的旅客就是訪日的外國人他們每人的平均消費額要提高到20萬日圓就是大概1300美元讓我們羨慕死了1300美元台灣的狀況是什麼疫情前後的平均消費\n480982\t496639\t是下降的趨勢2019年國際旅客來台平均消費195美元我們希望看能不能突破200美元後來2023國際旅客來台灣下降到每日平均只有180.67美元來台灣\n501297\t522268\t例如開箱越來越久部長你要怎麼做?報告委員在112年我們的這個來台的消費差不多是2700億左右在今年已經達到2826億不要用那種總數來蒙混社會大眾我講的是每日的這種消費部長我簡單問我們的日本他們有這種消費的擴大目標1300美元\n529704\t558256\t阿你呢?報告委員這個部分台灣過去是沒有設定這樣子的目標啦消費的目標沒有設定有設定的是人數的目標但委員提醒這一點你要設計沒有目標你在設什麼啦對因為過去沒有設定你作為一個觀光署作為一個交通部你對一個國際旅客來台灣你對他們來台灣消費而且消費我們自己也有統計阿是下滑的趨勢阿然後你現在說我們沒有設目標所以比較安心\n559669\t585349\t這是不對的部長我知道委員您現在在說的這個設定目標日本有設定這樣的目標台灣過去沒有設定這樣的目標但未來應該要設定這樣的目標但是這個要給我們一些時間我們來計算一下我們跟經濟部一起來計算因為這個消費的目標不是光由觀光署算的出來要跟經濟部一起來對話觀光署跟交通部也不是昨天才成立然後現在說你們需要時間\n586841\t607034\t部長,趕快啊,在預算審查的時候就要提出來,我會再問一次。另外我們必須要建立友善的觀光產業,我們要強化培養地方的知識團體參與,地方的歷史文化或是地方的商店什麼等等,要必須讓他們來參與。\n609095\t632832\t而要建立可持續性的這種觀光的模式也要強化人產的培訓強化數位的應用跟整合另外就是要強化交通的銜接及資訊的透明簡化提到交通部長我們必須要改善公共運輸我們也是觀光署自己公布的台灣觀光旅遊調查報告\n634975\t659645\t國人旅遊自行駕車的在2019年是63.9然後到今年是提升到68.2自行駕車因為公共運輸不便利所以自己開車比較方便所以這也顯示說我們公共運輸在整合及搭乘的便利上都明顯的不足\n660792\t677729\t來部長簡單說明一下是報告委員這個需要加強所以交通部一直在推行公共運輸的這個政策包含TPAS的部分但那個只有針對通勤我們也有延伸到了旅遊的部分但或許宣導不夠或者是路線不夠便利這個部分是需要加強\n678109\t703119\t市長都要提出明確的目標啦你榮耀號本來預計是12號才能將所有的旅客都接回來台灣但是你10號就做到了然後你現在對於旅遊的總目標必須要明確你現在只很保守的定在1000不要那麼保守要展現你的自信自信的基礎就是在於你制定相關的政策\n704019\t717008\t以及相關的推動的程序以及相關的目標是這樣你才能逐步的去達成啊消費的擴大目標也是一樣啊我們現在不到200美元而且是衰退的日本是定在1300美元你沒有目標\n722728\t722828\t好,謝謝委員。\n","txt":"謝謝召委。請一下陳世凱部長、觀光署、周署長。周署長。部長好、署長好。部長有關於榮耀號在8號因為引擎故障滯留日本沖繩。那在9號的時候質詢我要求盡速地將民眾接回來\n當時部長好像沒什麼信心,說9號質詢,你認為12號才有辦法將所有的國人接回來台灣。當時我也要求部長要全力督促,後來在10號就已經全部都回來了。\n比我預計的你講的12號我要求的11號更提前到一天那基本上我們對部長的效率還有民行局的努力基本上給予肯定但是部長這只是一個突發狀況的隨堂小測驗你通過這個考試但是我們交通部最重要的工作還是在於\n交通安全維護、交通建設的推動還有觀光旅遊的推動都是重要的業務之一。但是我們來看一下我們相關的觀光的\n現況我們2019年跟2024年出國的人次同期來對比一月到十月2019年1456萬2024年1416萬就是說它恢復的比例出國的人次已經恢復到97.22但是來台灣的國際旅客2019跟2024來做一個比較\n一至十月2019年973萬2024年一到十月只有620萬恢復的比例只有63.78就是說我們看到這樣的一個衝擊對旅遊的發展這個國人越來越沒有信心了我們觀光署自己公布的台灣觀光旅遊調查報告\n國人不出國的因素是什麼?主要是假期無法配合有25.9那如果假期可以配合的話出國的人會更多呢?部長到底發生什麼事?為何如此光光的國際旅客來衰退成這種樣子?\n報告委員因為疫情之後確實台灣的這個國際觀光的旅客恢復的速度不是只有台灣有疫情對全世界都有疫情那其他國家的速度比台灣快那台灣在今年的這個速度確實是慢了一些所以觀光署其實在這段時間也相當努力無論是國外的宣傳或者是說台灣的觀光亮點的努力其實我們都努力在做努力成只有恢復六成這叫努力嗎\n做得不夠好,所以必須要改進也必須要改善。部長我要提醒你,我們的國際旅客恢復的狀況不佳。日本來台灣的旅客大概只恢復六成。韓國的旅客恢復不到八成。那東南亞比較好一點有將近九成。那相關的\n部長你認為這個因素到底是什麼簡單說明一下報告委員我覺得可能是台灣疫情也有關係但疫情是全世界都有但我們今年四月遇到了一個地震也確實是影響日本也有地震日本也有地震但是台灣的觀光的那個地震影響的是太魯閣\n也就是說台灣過去很著重的一個觀光亮點確實受到了影響那這個部分當然不可以作為理由啦這個部分必須要再檢討說為什麼他們來的少那也跟委員報告我們在第四季其實日本跟韓國的旅客其實已經有一些回升了到了現在為止日本來台的旅客已經到了120萬以上超過120萬部長還是只有六成多啦我請教部長你明年啦你定下的\n國際旅客的目標是多少?報告委員我的想法是這樣今年沒有達到的明年要達到今年設定了1000萬你看你又跟榮耀號的狀況又一樣你有能力推升到1200然後你說就以1000作為目標\n報告委員這個可能只是個及格的目標啦只是一個及格的目標我們當然希望能夠拉得更高部長我再提醒另外一個觀光的危機就是我們觀光署自己統計的我們29歲以下國人出國旅遊的人次是持續的上升\n二零一九年的時候是二十四點二八那到二零二四年啊已經上升到二十六點一四這是逐年的上升啊二十九歲以下的年輕人是我們觀光未來發展一個重要的主力啊但是我們的主力不想在台灣旅遊啊想要出國去旅遊啊這個\n部長你有沒有注意到這個趨勢?有沒有什麼因應的辦法?其實齁國旅的部分齁除了我們要爭取國際旅客之外本國人在國家裡面在我們台灣裡面的旅遊也是很重要也就是說國旅的推動確實在這段時間我們有看到例如說墾丁的國旅的吸引力可能有些下滑然後還有一些其他地方的國旅的吸引力也下滑也有旅客在反映說我們的飯店是不是太貴我覺得這一類的問題要一一來解決\n讓大家讓國人比較願意留在台灣旅遊?部長我們覺得我們對於觀光產業的危機我們必須要面對問題才能解決問題我們來看我們觀光面臨的困境主要是觀光的統治性高缺乏特色的魅力然後缺乏區域的景點的這種品牌而且旅遊的品質也不佳疫情期間\n它的轉型跟改善是不足的而且數位運用、資訊及交通整合也不夠好乘車及購票的資訊取得是很困難而且標誌的指引缺失或是雜亂的資訊禁用性非常的差而且宣傳跟特色沒有辦法結合缺乏核心的客群這都是我們面臨很嚴重的問題部長說明一下\n報告委員您所提的這幾點其實我覺得觀光署應該要就這幾點我們一一來解決這也確實是一般民眾大家目前對於國旅可能信心不足的原因這個其實委員您指的這幾點其實相當的完整那這個部分其實我覺得觀光署應該要\n一點一點,我們來克服想要搞更有益的現況。好,部長,這是日本的做法為例,日本去年就已經通過了觀光立國的推進基本計畫,他們就是要搭配地方創生來區域性的地方的特色建立起來,來打造區域旅遊的這一種品牌的特色,但是我們一直沒有做好。來,我另外再提到一個,日本2024年他們公布一個觀光政策的白皮書,\n他們提出2025年消費擴大目標就是要藉由提高旅遊的品質及附加價值使入境的旅客就是訪日的外國人他們每人的平均消費額要提高到20萬日圓就是大概1300美元讓我們羨慕死了1300美元台灣的狀況是什麼疫情前後的平均消費\n是下降的趨勢2019年國際旅客來台平均消費195美元我們希望看能不能突破200美元後來2023國際旅客來台灣下降到每日平均只有180.67美元來台灣\n例如開箱越來越久部長你要怎麼做?報告委員在112年我們的這個來台的消費差不多是2700億左右在今年已經達到2826億不要用那種總數來蒙混社會大眾我講的是每日的這種消費部長我簡單問我們的日本他們有這種消費的擴大目標1300美元\n阿你呢?報告委員這個部分台灣過去是沒有設定這樣子的目標啦消費的目標沒有設定有設定的是人數的目標但委員提醒這一點你要設計沒有目標你在設什麼啦對因為過去沒有設定你作為一個觀光署作為一個交通部你對一個國際旅客來台灣你對他們來台灣消費而且消費我們自己也有統計阿是下滑的趨勢阿然後你現在說我們沒有設目標所以比較安心\n這是不對的部長我知道委員您現在在說的這個設定目標日本有設定這樣的目標台灣過去沒有設定這樣的目標但未來應該要設定這樣的目標但是這個要給我們一些時間我們來計算一下我們跟經濟部一起來計算因為這個消費的目標不是光由觀光署算的出來要跟經濟部一起來對話觀光署跟交通部也不是昨天才成立然後現在說你們需要時間\n部長,趕快啊,在預算審查的時候就要提出來,我會再問一次。另外我們必須要建立友善的觀光產業,我們要強化培養地方的知識團體參與,地方的歷史文化或是地方的商店什麼等等,要必須讓他們來參與。\n而要建立可持續性的這種觀光的模式也要強化人產的培訓強化數位的應用跟整合另外就是要強化交通的銜接及資訊的透明簡化提到交通部長我們必須要改善公共運輸我們也是觀光署自己公布的台灣觀光旅遊調查報告\n國人旅遊自行駕車的在2019年是63.9然後到今年是提升到68.2自行駕車因為公共運輸不便利所以自己開車比較方便所以這也顯示說我們公共運輸在整合及搭乘的便利上都明顯的不足\n來部長簡單說明一下是報告委員這個需要加強所以交通部一直在推行公共運輸的這個政策包含TPAS的部分但那個只有針對通勤我們也有延伸到了旅遊的部分但或許宣導不夠或者是路線不夠便利這個部分是需要加強\n市長都要提出明確的目標啦你榮耀號本來預計是12號才能將所有的旅客都接回來台灣但是你10號就做到了然後你現在對於旅遊的總目標必須要明確你現在只很保守的定在1000不要那麼保守要展現你的自信自信的基礎就是在於你制定相關的政策\n以及相關的推動的程序以及相關的目標是這樣你才能逐步的去達成啊消費的擴大目標也是一樣啊我們現在不到200美元而且是衰退的日本是定在1300美元你沒有目標\n好,謝謝委員。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.578 --> 00:06.339\n謝謝召委。請一下陳世凱部長、觀光署、周署長。周署長。部長好、署長好。部長有關於榮耀號在8號因為引擎故障滯留日本沖繩。那在9號的時候質詢我要求盡速地將民眾接回來\n\n00:31.709 --> 00:49.742\n當時部長好像沒什麼信心,說9號質詢,你認為12號才有辦法將所有的國人接回來台灣。當時我也要求部長要全力督促,後來在10號就已經全部都回來了。\n\n00:50.222 --> 01:11.742\n比我預計的你講的12號我要求的11號更提前到一天那基本上我們對部長的效率還有民行局的努力基本上給予肯定但是部長這只是一個突發狀況的隨堂小測驗你通過這個考試但是我們交通部最重要的工作還是在於\n\n01:12.623 --> 01:24.518\n交通安全維護、交通建設的推動還有觀光旅遊的推動都是重要的業務之一。但是我們來看一下我們相關的觀光的\n\n01:26.717 --> 01:37.741\n現況我們2019年跟2024年出國的人次同期來對比一月到十月2019年1456萬2024年1416萬就是說它恢復的比例出國的人次已經恢復到97.22但是來台灣的國際旅客2019跟2024來做一個比較\n\n01:56.428 --> 02:22.959\n一至十月2019年973萬2024年一到十月只有620萬恢復的比例只有63.78就是說我們看到這樣的一個衝擊對旅遊的發展這個國人越來越沒有信心了我們觀光署自己公布的台灣觀光旅遊調查報告\n\n02:25.015 --> 02:44.651\n國人不出國的因素是什麼?主要是假期無法配合有25.9那如果假期可以配合的話出國的人會更多呢?部長到底發生什麼事?為何如此光光的國際旅客來衰退成這種樣子?\n\n02:46.666 --> 03:13.917\n報告委員因為疫情之後確實台灣的這個國際觀光的旅客恢復的速度不是只有台灣有疫情對全世界都有疫情那其他國家的速度比台灣快那台灣在今年的這個速度確實是慢了一些所以觀光署其實在這段時間也相當努力無論是國外的宣傳或者是說台灣的觀光亮點的努力其實我們都努力在做努力成只有恢復六成這叫努力嗎\n\n03:14.717 --> 03:33.015\n做得不夠好,所以必須要改進也必須要改善。部長我要提醒你,我們的國際旅客恢復的狀況不佳。日本來台灣的旅客大概只恢復六成。韓國的旅客恢復不到八成。那東南亞比較好一點有將近九成。那相關的\n\n03:34.383 --> 03:52.226\n部長你認為這個因素到底是什麼簡單說明一下報告委員我覺得可能是台灣疫情也有關係但疫情是全世界都有但我們今年四月遇到了一個地震也確實是影響日本也有地震日本也有地震但是台灣的觀光的那個地震影響的是太魯閣\n\n03:52.987 --> 04:19.300\n也就是說台灣過去很著重的一個觀光亮點確實受到了影響那這個部分當然不可以作為理由啦這個部分必須要再檢討說為什麼他們來的少那也跟委員報告我們在第四季其實日本跟韓國的旅客其實已經有一些回升了到了現在為止日本來台的旅客已經到了120萬以上超過120萬部長還是只有六成多啦我請教部長你明年啦你定下的\n\n04:20.320 --> 04:36.481\n國際旅客的目標是多少?報告委員我的想法是這樣今年沒有達到的明年要達到今年設定了1000萬你看你又跟榮耀號的狀況又一樣你有能力推升到1200然後你說就以1000作為目標\n\n04:38.442 --> 04:57.745\n報告委員這個可能只是個及格的目標啦只是一個及格的目標我們當然希望能夠拉得更高部長我再提醒另外一個觀光的危機就是我們觀光署自己統計的我們29歲以下國人出國旅遊的人次是持續的上升\n\n04:58.726 --> 05:18.694\n二零一九年的時候是二十四點二八那到二零二四年啊已經上升到二十六點一四這是逐年的上升啊二十九歲以下的年輕人是我們觀光未來發展一個重要的主力啊但是我們的主力不想在台灣旅遊啊想要出國去旅遊啊這個\n\n05:21.479 --> 05:47.260\n部長你有沒有注意到這個趨勢?有沒有什麼因應的辦法?其實齁國旅的部分齁除了我們要爭取國際旅客之外本國人在國家裡面在我們台灣裡面的旅遊也是很重要也就是說國旅的推動確實在這段時間我們有看到例如說墾丁的國旅的吸引力可能有些下滑然後還有一些其他地方的國旅的吸引力也下滑也有旅客在反映說我們的飯店是不是太貴我覺得這一類的問題要一一來解決\n\n05:49.441 --> 06:16.322\n讓大家讓國人比較願意留在台灣旅遊?部長我們覺得我們對於觀光產業的危機我們必須要面對問題才能解決問題我們來看我們觀光面臨的困境主要是觀光的統治性高缺乏特色的魅力然後缺乏區域的景點的這種品牌而且旅遊的品質也不佳疫情期間\n\n06:17.603 --> 06:44.468\n它的轉型跟改善是不足的而且數位運用、資訊及交通整合也不夠好乘車及購票的資訊取得是很困難而且標誌的指引缺失或是雜亂的資訊禁用性非常的差而且宣傳跟特色沒有辦法結合缺乏核心的客群這都是我們面臨很嚴重的問題部長說明一下\n\n06:45.808 --> 07:03.281\n報告委員您所提的這幾點其實我覺得觀光署應該要就這幾點我們一一來解決這也確實是一般民眾大家目前對於國旅可能信心不足的原因這個其實委員您指的這幾點其實相當的完整那這個部分其實我覺得觀光署應該要\n\n07:04.142 --> 07:31.781\n一點一點,我們來克服想要搞更有益的現況。好,部長,這是日本的做法為例,日本去年就已經通過了觀光立國的推進基本計畫,他們就是要搭配地方創生來區域性的地方的特色建立起來,來打造區域旅遊的這一種品牌的特色,但是我們一直沒有做好。來,我另外再提到一個,日本2024年他們公布一個觀光政策的白皮書,\n\n07:32.962 --> 07:59.821\n他們提出2025年消費擴大目標就是要藉由提高旅遊的品質及附加價值使入境的旅客就是訪日的外國人他們每人的平均消費額要提高到20萬日圓就是大概1300美元讓我們羨慕死了1300美元台灣的狀況是什麼疫情前後的平均消費\n\n08:00.982 --> 08:16.639\n是下降的趨勢2019年國際旅客來台平均消費195美元我們希望看能不能突破200美元後來2023國際旅客來台灣下降到每日平均只有180.67美元來台灣\n\n08:21.297 --> 08:42.268\n例如開箱越來越久部長你要怎麼做?報告委員在112年我們的這個來台的消費差不多是2700億左右在今年已經達到2826億不要用那種總數來蒙混社會大眾我講的是每日的這種消費部長我簡單問我們的日本他們有這種消費的擴大目標1300美元\n\n08:49.704 --> 09:18.256\n阿你呢?報告委員這個部分台灣過去是沒有設定這樣子的目標啦消費的目標沒有設定有設定的是人數的目標但委員提醒這一點你要設計沒有目標你在設什麼啦對因為過去沒有設定你作為一個觀光署作為一個交通部你對一個國際旅客來台灣你對他們來台灣消費而且消費我們自己也有統計阿是下滑的趨勢阿然後你現在說我們沒有設目標所以比較安心\n\n09:19.669 --> 09:45.349\n這是不對的部長我知道委員您現在在說的這個設定目標日本有設定這樣的目標台灣過去沒有設定這樣的目標但未來應該要設定這樣的目標但是這個要給我們一些時間我們來計算一下我們跟經濟部一起來計算因為這個消費的目標不是光由觀光署算的出來要跟經濟部一起來對話觀光署跟交通部也不是昨天才成立然後現在說你們需要時間\n\n09:46.841 --> 10:07.034\n部長,趕快啊,在預算審查的時候就要提出來,我會再問一次。另外我們必須要建立友善的觀光產業,我們要強化培養地方的知識團體參與,地方的歷史文化或是地方的商店什麼等等,要必須讓他們來參與。\n\n10:09.095 --> 10:32.832\n而要建立可持續性的這種觀光的模式也要強化人產的培訓強化數位的應用跟整合另外就是要強化交通的銜接及資訊的透明簡化提到交通部長我們必須要改善公共運輸我們也是觀光署自己公布的台灣觀光旅遊調查報告\n\n10:34.975 --> 10:59.645\n國人旅遊自行駕車的在2019年是63.9然後到今年是提升到68.2自行駕車因為公共運輸不便利所以自己開車比較方便所以這也顯示說我們公共運輸在整合及搭乘的便利上都明顯的不足\n\n11:00.792 --> 11:17.729\n來部長簡單說明一下是報告委員這個需要加強所以交通部一直在推行公共運輸的這個政策包含TPAS的部分但那個只有針對通勤我們也有延伸到了旅遊的部分但或許宣導不夠或者是路線不夠便利這個部分是需要加強\n\n11:18.109 --> 11:43.119\n市長都要提出明確的目標啦你榮耀號本來預計是12號才能將所有的旅客都接回來台灣但是你10號就做到了然後你現在對於旅遊的總目標必須要明確你現在只很保守的定在1000不要那麼保守要展現你的自信自信的基礎就是在於你制定相關的政策\n\n11:44.019 --> 11:57.008\n以及相關的推動的程序以及相關的目標是這樣你才能逐步的去達成啊消費的擴大目標也是一樣啊我們現在不到200美元而且是衰退的日本是定在1300美元你沒有目標\n\n12:02.728 --> 12:02.828\n好,謝謝委員。\n\n","segments":[{"start":1.578,"end":6.339,"text":"謝謝召委。請一下陳世凱部長、觀光署、周署長。周署長。部長好、署長好。部長有關於榮耀號在8號因為引擎故障滯留日本沖繩。那在9號的時候質詢我要求盡速地將民眾接回來"},{"start":31.709,"end":49.742,"text":"當時部長好像沒什麼信心,說9號質詢,你認為12號才有辦法將所有的國人接回來台灣。當時我也要求部長要全力督促,後來在10號就已經全部都回來了。"},{"start":50.222,"end":71.742,"text":"比我預計的你講的12號我要求的11號更提前到一天那基本上我們對部長的效率還有民行局的努力基本上給予肯定但是部長這只是一個突發狀況的隨堂小測驗你通過這個考試但是我們交通部最重要的工作還是在於"},{"start":72.623,"end":84.518,"text":"交通安全維護、交通建設的推動還有觀光旅遊的推動都是重要的業務之一。但是我們來看一下我們相關的觀光的"},{"start":86.717,"end":97.741,"text":"現況我們2019年跟2024年出國的人次同期來對比一月到十月2019年1456萬2024年1416萬就是說它恢復的比例出國的人次已經恢復到97.22但是來台灣的國際旅客2019跟2024來做一個比較"},{"start":116.428,"end":142.959,"text":"一至十月2019年973萬2024年一到十月只有620萬恢復的比例只有63.78就是說我們看到這樣的一個衝擊對旅遊的發展這個國人越來越沒有信心了我們觀光署自己公布的台灣觀光旅遊調查報告"},{"start":145.015,"end":164.651,"text":"國人不出國的因素是什麼?主要是假期無法配合有25.9那如果假期可以配合的話出國的人會更多呢?部長到底發生什麼事?為何如此光光的國際旅客來衰退成這種樣子?"},{"start":166.666,"end":193.917,"text":"報告委員因為疫情之後確實台灣的這個國際觀光的旅客恢復的速度不是只有台灣有疫情對全世界都有疫情那其他國家的速度比台灣快那台灣在今年的這個速度確實是慢了一些所以觀光署其實在這段時間也相當努力無論是國外的宣傳或者是說台灣的觀光亮點的努力其實我們都努力在做努力成只有恢復六成這叫努力嗎"},{"start":194.717,"end":213.015,"text":"做得不夠好,所以必須要改進也必須要改善。部長我要提醒你,我們的國際旅客恢復的狀況不佳。日本來台灣的旅客大概只恢復六成。韓國的旅客恢復不到八成。那東南亞比較好一點有將近九成。那相關的"},{"start":214.383,"end":232.226,"text":"部長你認為這個因素到底是什麼簡單說明一下報告委員我覺得可能是台灣疫情也有關係但疫情是全世界都有但我們今年四月遇到了一個地震也確實是影響日本也有地震日本也有地震但是台灣的觀光的那個地震影響的是太魯閣"},{"start":232.987,"end":259.3,"text":"也就是說台灣過去很著重的一個觀光亮點確實受到了影響那這個部分當然不可以作為理由啦這個部分必須要再檢討說為什麼他們來的少那也跟委員報告我們在第四季其實日本跟韓國的旅客其實已經有一些回升了到了現在為止日本來台的旅客已經到了120萬以上超過120萬部長還是只有六成多啦我請教部長你明年啦你定下的"},{"start":260.32,"end":276.481,"text":"國際旅客的目標是多少?報告委員我的想法是這樣今年沒有達到的明年要達到今年設定了1000萬你看你又跟榮耀號的狀況又一樣你有能力推升到1200然後你說就以1000作為目標"},{"start":278.442,"end":297.745,"text":"報告委員這個可能只是個及格的目標啦只是一個及格的目標我們當然希望能夠拉得更高部長我再提醒另外一個觀光的危機就是我們觀光署自己統計的我們29歲以下國人出國旅遊的人次是持續的上升"},{"start":298.726,"end":318.694,"text":"二零一九年的時候是二十四點二八那到二零二四年啊已經上升到二十六點一四這是逐年的上升啊二十九歲以下的年輕人是我們觀光未來發展一個重要的主力啊但是我們的主力不想在台灣旅遊啊想要出國去旅遊啊這個"},{"start":321.479,"end":347.26,"text":"部長你有沒有注意到這個趨勢?有沒有什麼因應的辦法?其實齁國旅的部分齁除了我們要爭取國際旅客之外本國人在國家裡面在我們台灣裡面的旅遊也是很重要也就是說國旅的推動確實在這段時間我們有看到例如說墾丁的國旅的吸引力可能有些下滑然後還有一些其他地方的國旅的吸引力也下滑也有旅客在反映說我們的飯店是不是太貴我覺得這一類的問題要一一來解決"},{"start":349.441,"end":376.322,"text":"讓大家讓國人比較願意留在台灣旅遊?部長我們覺得我們對於觀光產業的危機我們必須要面對問題才能解決問題我們來看我們觀光面臨的困境主要是觀光的統治性高缺乏特色的魅力然後缺乏區域的景點的這種品牌而且旅遊的品質也不佳疫情期間"},{"start":377.603,"end":404.468,"text":"它的轉型跟改善是不足的而且數位運用、資訊及交通整合也不夠好乘車及購票的資訊取得是很困難而且標誌的指引缺失或是雜亂的資訊禁用性非常的差而且宣傳跟特色沒有辦法結合缺乏核心的客群這都是我們面臨很嚴重的問題部長說明一下"},{"start":405.808,"end":423.281,"text":"報告委員您所提的這幾點其實我覺得觀光署應該要就這幾點我們一一來解決這也確實是一般民眾大家目前對於國旅可能信心不足的原因這個其實委員您指的這幾點其實相當的完整那這個部分其實我覺得觀光署應該要"},{"start":424.142,"end":451.781,"text":"一點一點,我們來克服想要搞更有益的現況。好,部長,這是日本的做法為例,日本去年就已經通過了觀光立國的推進基本計畫,他們就是要搭配地方創生來區域性的地方的特色建立起來,來打造區域旅遊的這一種品牌的特色,但是我們一直沒有做好。來,我另外再提到一個,日本2024年他們公布一個觀光政策的白皮書,"},{"start":452.962,"end":479.821,"text":"他們提出2025年消費擴大目標就是要藉由提高旅遊的品質及附加價值使入境的旅客就是訪日的外國人他們每人的平均消費額要提高到20萬日圓就是大概1300美元讓我們羨慕死了1300美元台灣的狀況是什麼疫情前後的平均消費"},{"start":480.982,"end":496.639,"text":"是下降的趨勢2019年國際旅客來台平均消費195美元我們希望看能不能突破200美元後來2023國際旅客來台灣下降到每日平均只有180.67美元來台灣"},{"start":501.297,"end":522.268,"text":"例如開箱越來越久部長你要怎麼做?報告委員在112年我們的這個來台的消費差不多是2700億左右在今年已經達到2826億不要用那種總數來蒙混社會大眾我講的是每日的這種消費部長我簡單問我們的日本他們有這種消費的擴大目標1300美元"},{"start":529.704,"end":558.256,"text":"阿你呢?報告委員這個部分台灣過去是沒有設定這樣子的目標啦消費的目標沒有設定有設定的是人數的目標但委員提醒這一點你要設計沒有目標你在設什麼啦對因為過去沒有設定你作為一個觀光署作為一個交通部你對一個國際旅客來台灣你對他們來台灣消費而且消費我們自己也有統計阿是下滑的趨勢阿然後你現在說我們沒有設目標所以比較安心"},{"start":559.669,"end":585.349,"text":"這是不對的部長我知道委員您現在在說的這個設定目標日本有設定這樣的目標台灣過去沒有設定這樣的目標但未來應該要設定這樣的目標但是這個要給我們一些時間我們來計算一下我們跟經濟部一起來計算因為這個消費的目標不是光由觀光署算的出來要跟經濟部一起來對話觀光署跟交通部也不是昨天才成立然後現在說你們需要時間"},{"start":586.841,"end":607.034,"text":"部長,趕快啊,在預算審查的時候就要提出來,我會再問一次。另外我們必須要建立友善的觀光產業,我們要強化培養地方的知識團體參與,地方的歷史文化或是地方的商店什麼等等,要必須讓他們來參與。"},{"start":609.095,"end":632.832,"text":"而要建立可持續性的這種觀光的模式也要強化人產的培訓強化數位的應用跟整合另外就是要強化交通的銜接及資訊的透明簡化提到交通部長我們必須要改善公共運輸我們也是觀光署自己公布的台灣觀光旅遊調查報告"},{"start":634.975,"end":659.645,"text":"國人旅遊自行駕車的在2019年是63.9然後到今年是提升到68.2自行駕車因為公共運輸不便利所以自己開車比較方便所以這也顯示說我們公共運輸在整合及搭乘的便利上都明顯的不足"},{"start":660.792,"end":677.729,"text":"來部長簡單說明一下是報告委員這個需要加強所以交通部一直在推行公共運輸的這個政策包含TPAS的部分但那個只有針對通勤我們也有延伸到了旅遊的部分但或許宣導不夠或者是路線不夠便利這個部分是需要加強"},{"start":678.109,"end":703.119,"text":"市長都要提出明確的目標啦你榮耀號本來預計是12號才能將所有的旅客都接回來台灣但是你10號就做到了然後你現在對於旅遊的總目標必須要明確你現在只很保守的定在1000不要那麼保守要展現你的自信自信的基礎就是在於你制定相關的政策"},{"start":704.019,"end":717.008,"text":"以及相關的推動的程序以及相關的目標是這樣你才能逐步的去達成啊消費的擴大目標也是一樣啊我們現在不到200美元而且是衰退的日本是定在1300美元你沒有目標"},{"start":722.728,"end":722.828,"text":"好,謝謝委員。"}]}}},"gazette":{"lineno":88,"blocks":[["李委員昆澤：（9時24分）謝謝召委。請陳世凱部長、觀光署周署長。"],["主席：請陳部長、周署長。"],["李委員昆澤：部長好，署長好。"],["陳部長世凱：委員好。"],["李委員昆澤：部長，有關榮耀號在8號因為引擎故障滯留日本沖繩一事，本席在9號提出質詢，要求儘速將民眾接回臺灣。當時部長好像沒什麼信心，我9號質詢，你卻認為12號才有辦法將所有國人都接回臺灣，所以我要求部長全力督促。後來在10號就已經全部回來了，比你講的12號、我要求的11號更提前了一天。對於部長的效率，還有民航局的努力，我們基本上給予肯定！部長，這只是一個突發狀況的隨堂小測驗，你也通過考試，但交通部最重要的工作還是在於交通安全的維護、交通建設的推動，還有觀光旅遊的推動，這些都是重要的業務。","我們來看一下觀光現況，我們以2019年及2024年同期1月到10月的出國人次來對比。2019年1,456萬，2024年1,416萬，也就是出國人次恢復的比例已經來到97.22%。但以2019年及2024年來臺國際旅客做比較，同樣是1月至10月，2019年973萬，2024年只有620萬，恢復比例只有63.78%，看到這樣的衝擊，讓國人對旅遊發展越來越沒有信心。觀光署自己公布的臺灣觀光旅遊調查報告顯示，國人不出國的因素是什麼？主要是假期無法配合，有25.9%；但如果假期可以配合的話，出國的人會更多！部長，到底發生什麼事？為何國際旅客來臺觀光會衰退成這樣？"],["陳部長世凱：報告委員，疫情之後，臺灣國際觀光旅客恢復的速度……"],["李委員昆澤：又不是只有臺灣有疫情！"],["陳部長世凱：對，全世界都有疫情，但其他國家恢復的速度比臺灣快，臺灣在今年的速度確實慢了一些，所以這段時間觀光署其實也相當努力，無論是國外的宣傳或臺灣觀光亮點，我們都努力在做。我們也期許……"],["李委員昆澤：努力到只有恢復六成？這叫努力嗎？"],["陳部長世凱：做得還不夠好，所以必須要改進，也必須要改善。"],["李委員昆澤：部長，我要提醒你，我們的國際旅客恢復狀況不佳，像日本來臺灣的旅客大概只恢復六成，韓國旅客恢復不到八成，東南亞比較好一點，將近九成。部長，你認為因素到底是什麼？請簡單說明一下。"],["陳部長世凱：報告委員，我覺得可能是臺灣……當然，疫情也有關係，但疫情全世界都有，不過我們今年4月遇到了地震，也確實影響……"],["李委員昆澤：日本也有地震。"],["陳部長世凱：日本也有地震，但地震對臺灣觀光影響的是太魯閣，也就是臺灣過去很著重的一個觀光亮點確實受到了影響，當然，這不可以作為理由，只是我們必須要檢討。為什麼旅客來得少？跟委員報告，在第四季日本及韓國的旅客已經有一些回升了。到現在，日本來臺旅客已經到120萬以上，超過120萬……"],["李委員昆澤：部長，還是只有六成多。我請教部長，明年你定下的國際旅客目標是多少？"],["陳部長世凱：報告委員，我的想法是這樣的。今年沒有達到的明年要達到，今年設定了1,000萬……"],["李委員昆澤：你看，你又跟榮耀號的狀況一樣了！你有能力推升到1,200萬，你就說以1,000萬作為目標！"],["陳部長世凱：報告委員，這可能只是及格的目標，只是一個及格的目標，我們當然希望能夠拉得更高。"],["李委員昆澤：部長，我再提醒另外一個觀光危機，這是觀光署統計的。29歲以下國人出國旅遊人次持續上升，2019年是24.28%，到2024年已經上升到26.14%，呈現逐年上升趨勢。29歲以下年輕人是我們未來發展觀光的重要主力，但我們的主力不想在臺灣旅遊，想要出國去旅遊，部長有沒有注意到這個趨勢？有什麼因應辦法？"],["陳部長世凱：報告委員，國旅的部分，除了我們要爭取國際旅客之外，本國人在我們臺灣國家裡面的旅遊也很重要。也就是說國旅的推動……確實在這段時間，我們看到墾丁國旅吸引力可能有些下滑，其他一些地方的國旅吸引力也下滑。也有旅客反映說，飯店是不是太貴？我覺得這一類的問題要一一來解決，讓大家、讓國人比較願意留在臺灣旅遊。"],["李委員昆澤：部長，對於觀光產業的危機，必須面對問題才能解決問題。我們觀光面臨的困境主要是觀光的同質性高，缺乏特色的魅力，缺乏區域景點的品牌；旅遊的品質也不佳，疫情期間的轉型跟改善不足；數位應用、資訊及交通整合也不夠好，乘車及購票的資訊取得很困難，標誌的指引缺失或者雜亂的資訊近用性非常的差；宣傳跟特色沒有辦法結合，缺乏核心的客群，這些都是我們面臨很嚴重的問題。部長來說明一下。"],["陳部長世凱：報告委員，您所提的這幾點，觀光署應該要一一來解決，這也確實是一般民眾目前對於國旅可能信心不足的原因，委員您指的這幾點其實相當的完整，這個部分其實我覺得觀光署應該要一點一點來克服，想辦法跟旅遊業……"],["李委員昆澤：部長，以日本的作法為例，日本去年就已經通過觀光立國的推進基本計畫，他們就是要搭配地方創生把區域性的地方特色建立起來，打造區域旅遊的品牌特色，但是我們一直沒有做好。","我另外再提一個，日本2024年公布一個觀光政策白皮書，提出2025年消費擴大目標，要藉由提高旅遊的品質及附加價值，使入境的旅客、訪日的外國人，每個人的平均消費額提高到20萬日圓，就是大概1,300美元，讓我們羨慕死，1,300美元耶！臺灣的狀況是什麼？疫情前後的平均消費是下降的趨勢，2019年國際旅客來臺平均消費195美元，我們希望看能不能突破200美元，結果2023年國際旅客來臺灣下降到每日平均只有180.67美元，來臺灣旅遊花錢越來越少，部長你們要怎麼辦？"],["陳部長世凱：報告委員，在112年來臺的消費差不多是2,700億左右，今年到目前為止已經達到2,826億，但委員您……"],["李委員昆澤：不要用那種總數來蒙混社會大眾，我講的是每日的消費。部長，我簡單問，日本他們有這種消費的擴大目標1,300美元，你呢？"],["陳部長世凱：報告委員，這個部分臺灣過去是沒有設定消費的目標，有設定的是人數的目標，但委員提醒這一點，我們應該要設定……"],["李委員昆澤：你要射箭，沒有目標你在射什麼啦？"],["陳部長世凱：因為過去沒有設定，但委員提醒我們應該要設定……"],["李委員昆澤：作為一個觀光署、作為一個交通部，對於國際旅客來臺灣消費，而且消費我們自己也有統計是下滑的趨勢，然後現在說我們沒有設目標，所以比較安心，這是不對的，部長。"],["陳部長世凱：不是這樣說。我知道委員您現在說的設定目標，日本有設定這樣的目標，臺灣過去沒有設定，但未來應該要設定這樣的目標，不過這個要給我們一些時間來計算一下，我們跟經濟部一起來計算，因為這個消費的目標，不是光由觀光署算得出來……"],["李委員昆澤：沒有……"],["陳部長世凱：要跟經濟部一起來規劃。"],["李委員昆澤：觀光署跟交通部也不是昨天才成立，然後現在說你們需要時間，部長……"],["陳部長世凱：報告委員，因為過去他們真的沒有設定這個目標。"],["李委員昆澤：趕快啊！在預算審查的時候就要提出來，我會再問一次。"],["陳部長世凱：好，我們趕快來設定這個目標。"],["李委員昆澤：另外，我們必須要建立友善的觀光產業，強化培養地方自治團體參與，地方的歷史文化或是地方的商店等等要讓他們來參與，要建立可持續性的觀光模式、強化人才的培訓、強化數位的運用跟整合，另外要強化交通的銜接及資訊的透明簡化。","提到交通，部長，我們必須要改善公共運輸，根據觀光署自己公布的臺灣觀光旅遊調查報告，國人旅遊自行駕車在2019年是63.9%，到今年自行駕車提升到68.2%，你們的公共運輸不便利，所以自行開車比較方便，這也顯示我們公共運輸在整合及搭乘的便利上都明顯的不足。部長簡單說明一下。"],["陳部長世凱：是，報告委員，這個需要加強，所以交通部一直在推行公共運輸的政策，包含TPASS的部分，但那個只有針對通勤，我們也有延伸到旅遊的部分，但或許宣導不夠或者是路線不夠便利，這個部分是需要加強的。"],["李委員昆澤：部長，都要提出明確的目標啦。榮耀號本來預計是12號才能將所有的旅客都接回來臺灣，但是你10號就做到了。","對於旅遊的總目標必須要明確，你現在只很保守的定在1,000萬，不要那麼保守，要展現你的自信，自信的基礎就是在於你制定相關的政策、相關推動的程序以及相關的目標，這樣你才能逐步的去達成。","消費的擴大目標也是一樣，我們現在不到200美元，而且是衰退，日本是定在1,300美元耶！你沒有目標，怎麼去推動相關的觀光旅遊？當一天和尚敲一天鐘，這是普通的和尚；當一天和尚，被鐘撞一天，這是比較悲劇性的和尚。我來督促部長，加油！"],["陳部長世凱：好，謝謝委員。"],["主席：謝謝李昆澤委員。","我們先確定一下議事錄，各位在場的委員對於議事錄有沒有意見？（無）沒有意見，我們就議事錄確定。","接下來請許智傑委員發言。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":78,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-23-16","speakers":["魯明哲","李昆澤","許智傑","林國成","林俊憲","廖先翔","陳素月","翁曉玲","蔡其昌","何欣純","徐富癸","楊瓊瓔","王義川","洪孟楷","鄭天財Sra Kacaw","陳雪生","羅廷瑋","張啓楷","邱若華","游顥","黃珊珊","葉元之","黃健豪","羅智強"],"page_start":1,"meetingDate":["2024-12-18"],"gazette_id":"1141102","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1141102_00002"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會第16次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、邀請交通部部長陳世凱、交通部觀光署署長及桃園國際機場股份有限公司董事長就「如何提\n升過境及轉機旅客入境台灣觀光品質並增加觀光人數」進行專題報告，並備質詢；二、審查114\n年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部觀光署及所屬單位預算；三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案\n附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管交通作業基金─觀光發展基金分預算；四、審查114年\n度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分關於交通部主管中華郵政股份有限公司營業預算【僅\n進行詢答】","agenda_id":"1141102_00001"}}}