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00:01:43,775\n報告委員目前應該是200多萬人吧,到中國旅遊的應該超過200多萬人。這是我們從3月開始開放。台灣到中國的旅遊其實都一向沒有限制,所以台灣人民要到中國去旅遊其實是相當自由的。對,所以你看我們是從3月開放嘛,以前王國才還在當部長的時候,王國才部長那時候是說本來是要3月開放到6月。是。\n\n5\n00:01:44,758 --> 00:01:59,917\n然後6月之後事實上我們也沒有停嗎?所以也就是說我們交通部的角度、觀光署的角度是到現在一直都是開放的嗎?\n\n6\n00:02:01,768 --> 00:02:21,821\n有規劃的啦,六月以前有規劃的其實都讓他們繼續再走。那我所知道到現在為止團科應該都還在...對,所以其實我就講說我們台灣對於中國的善意,事實上我們已經有十足的善意,就等他們對等嘛。那國民黨一直在講說我們貿易逆差,\n\n7\n00:02:23,732 --> 00:02:53,346\n那你中國一直不開放,現在只在考慮上海是不是可以過來,坦白講那真的只是一點小會啦,不足掛齒啦,那你要的話你就全部都開放嘛,跟台灣一樣對等嘛,所以我想呼籲國民黨的藍白色的委員,你一直在說台灣,我們台灣已經釋出善意,現在中國不釋出善意,怎麼沒有聽到國民黨藍白的委員在罵中國呢?\n\n8\n00:02:55,336 --> 00:03:11,845\n每一次都只會對自己家人大小聲對外面的人就不敢吭聲所以其實我是覺得非常的沉痛我們也希望說政治歸政治經濟歸經濟但是呢你們不要看到中國就腳軟\n\n9\n00:03:14,449 --> 00:03:35,994\n所以這個是我希望說今天你們如果要呼籲的話就一起嘛你不要只是上海團嘛你就一起嘛全國都一樣嘛全中國都一樣嘛跟台灣對等嘛所以大家沒有看到台灣的善意只會對台灣罵來罵去我是覺得這個是藍白最大的問題所以我也在這邊很沉重的呼籲啦\n\n10\n00:03:38,285 --> 00:04:07,229\n好那那個再請教一下我們那個2024觀光產業數位博覽會那個部長去那邊看了覺得那個AI對我們觀光有沒有很大的幫助?欸我想我相信是會有很大幫助包含說因為現在在缺工啦齁所以AI跟智慧化其實可以讓我們需要的人力可以減少對於旅宿業一定會有幫助所以這個除了在台北辦有沒有機會移世高雄?我們在台北辦的成效還蠻好的啦\n\n11\n00:04:07,789 --> 00:04:31,410\n那其實去看的人也蠻多的那沒合到的也蠻多的沒合到的業者也蠻多那我有聽到說委員在指教說希望南部可以辦我們現在也正在評估因為我一直都在關注臺北的活動跟高雄活動的差距那是不是以後我們每一次的在規劃活動的時候都能夠全國思考\n\n12\n00:04:32,722 --> 00:04:41,037\n而不是只是留在台北。當然台北發出第一炮我們是可以接受啦。但是第二炮總是到高雄來了吧。\n\n13\n00:04:42,162 --> 00:05:10,500\n好,那這個是不是請部長跟署長可以規劃?好,報告委員,這個我們已經有在規劃。委員,由此較這一點我們就會往,對,臺北我們還是繼續啦。當然當然。但是在高雄我們在思考說要不要再辦第二場,那這個部分我們來盤點一下預算。所以一定要盡快思考,不是只是再思考。好。好,那再來就是說,其實剛剛那一頁先留著,那個,這個我們觀光署是不是有主動?\n\n14\n00:05:12,021 --> 00:05:26,020\n對於旅遊、旅遊業、遊樂業等。其實我曾經跟他們講說你們旅遊業或商圈,你們如果有希望用AI的角度來做思考,那我們台北這裡既然有一些經驗,\n\n15\n00:05:27,796 --> 00:05:51,938\n那是不是可以比如說到我們高雄找我們的商圈找我們的旅遊旅宿業做一個座談會或者是類似AI方面的技術的知識的傳遞然後讓基本上的店家旅遊旅宿業等他們可以知道說原來我可以這麼用\n\n16\n00:05:54,063 --> 00:06:17,776\n因為這些東西如果你沒有展覽沒有去親自去指導他們可能還不知道我可以如何去把AI應用進來所以這個know-how其實是很重要的所以是不是請觀光署也有機會規劃就是說我針對這樣子的旅遊旅宿業者我如何也可以有AI的應用到你們的產業裡面去幫助你們\n\n17\n00:06:19,338 --> 00:06:45,535\n那這個是不是你博覽會可能是針對所有的那個店家的民營業者或者是人民都可以去看嘛那我針對店家的商店業的旅遊旅宿業的需求我直接去跟他們面對面去告訴他們這樣子一個好的訊息這個是不是可以可行是也許這樣子會幫助他們會更快\n\n18\n00:06:46,135 --> 00:07:08,793\n也需要,因為這叫做分享會,或者是一個研討的方式交流,這個也是一個...我不知道台北有沒有要這樣子辦了啦。我們是有持續在辦,那這一次的那個等於是數位的博覽會是更是擴大。那剛剛委員所指教的部分,部長也有特別提示啦,我們會以南部,\n\n19\n00:07:09,614 --> 00:07:33,568\n南部的期限式的角度來看能夠我希望能夠盡快就是說我也可以跟南部的旅遊旅宿業者講現在那個人家觀光署要來辦AI的那個知識的或者是AI的技術的應用的一個分享那產學合作很重要是不是可以盡快做這種規劃其實讓他們盡快能用現在就是如剛剛部長所提的人力缺乏嘛\n\n20\n00:07:34,268 --> 00:07:35,709\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部觀光品質及所屬單位預算\n\n21\n00:07:45,430 --> 00:08:05,783\n我們一直在推動觀光航線。事實上觀光署現在變成局變成署之後我們有看到有擴大服務。所以你看看就是我們到了各國去的那個旅客服務中心已經有增加了。你包括印尼、印度、法國、巴勒斯加拿大等。年底還要受菲律賓馬尼拉。\n\n22\n00:08:09,346 --> 00:08:18,118\n這個之外是不是其實我一直去拜訪很多的航空公司之外我有去拜訪泰國跟沖繩他們的觀光局\n\n23\n00:08:21,229 --> 00:08:46,422\n市長他們做的時候他們除了怎麼樣去吸引台灣旅客去他們國家而不是他們國家的帶我們台灣來是台灣旅客去他們國家那當然就是說我們觀光署設定了這麼多的推廣中心希望就是從各個國家的旅客到台灣來這個是我們觀光署去最主要的目的嘛那航線是不是可以一併思考\n\n24\n00:08:47,560 --> 00:09:13,783\n你沒有航線你就想要來都沒辦法來,不然就要拼了幾年拼了六年回去。所以你看印尼、雅加達在我們高雄的立場,我們高雄、南台灣到東南亞的人口數我想說不亞於北台灣。所以光是你可以去做調查,自從印尼、雅加達從南部去的可能不會比北部的少,但是我都要拼了幾年。\n\n25\n00:09:15,307 --> 00:09:22,277\n所以這個航線如果說有機會高雄直接到雅加達我不知道這個觀光署有沒有在努力\n\n26\n00:09:23,847 --> 00:09:49,002\n報告委員,我們其實把高雄機場設定為整個新南向最重要的機場,那所以其實往東南亞的部分其實民航局要來努力,那當然觀光署也會針對這方面來努力,針對航線的部分,針對新南向的方向,我們一定會來努力爭取給高雄機場。總部長你還沒來之前,我這件事至少講了半年以上了,那不知道有沒有進度?\n\n27\n00:09:51,523 --> 00:10:11,614\n報告委員其實民航局一直在爭取要給高雄的這個機場可以更多的航線尤其是往東南亞的方向那這個跟航權的談判其實有一點關係所以這個部分還在進行我希望就是部長能夠再請民航局辛苦一點民航局很認真我知道觀光署也很認真但我告訴部長一個數據可能你會覺得很訝異\n\n28\n00:10:13,001 --> 00:10:13,141\n是,是。\n\n29\n00:10:26,608 --> 00:10:45,846\n你會聽到覺得很誇張對不對?所以我們的航線跟航量還要再增加啦。不是,停機品的,我光是停機品的問題。是是。啊,部長可以去了解一下,請局長再跟你講解一下。好。啊,就是停機品的問題,這人飛機要來,航空公司要來,沒有停機品給他們。是是。啊,停機品現在要到40個,只有停20個,通常是純的。\n\n30\n00:10:48,849 --> 00:11:12,517\n有的是就是他們之間的約的問題或調配的問題。但是現在有十幾個差不多都經常都沒用到這樣啦。這個我想部長可能不見得清楚,但是請民航局長跟你說明一下。這個問題如果不解決,我要上這航班都有困難啦。所以這個也是個嚴重的問題。那也就是說高雄機場,我再舉個例子。遠東航空以前有飛機對不對?\n\n31\n00:11:14,970 --> 00:11:40,369\n在台北停了,停機坪停了一架,在高雄停了一架,現在台北那一架已經移走了,移走好久了,高雄那一架還停在那裡站位置,這太細了啦,但是部長你可能不清楚啦,但是我就說,高雄跟台北,高雄我們的公務員心態,那台飛機不敢動就是不敢動啦,因為我們在那裡站位啦,別人要用沒辦法用啦,\n\n32\n00:11:42,185 --> 00:12:06,159\n所以這個部分雖然比較細,希望說部長瞭解一下,請他們要做妥適的處理。看要怎麼解決,我們來想辦法解決。最後一件,給我30秒的時間,我簡單的要求一下。那個郵政博物館,董事長也知道,跟部長也知道一下,就是簡單的要求。就是說,台北分館跟高雄館從12月17日起,\n\n33\n00:12:10,211 --> 00:12:36,124\n禮拜六、禮拜天、國定假日、連續假期通通休館。現在是怎樣?報告委員,其實我自己看了也覺得不太合理。所以我也有拜託王董事長,是不是在公司裡面要去做調整。你假日至少讓孩子有機會去看一天嘛。假日要啦,要啦。假日沒開很期。我的孩子們想要去都沒有機會啦。大家都休館快要去,現在休館都要休館。\n\n34\n00:12:37,925 --> 00:13:00,902\n這個部分我想希望說部長跟董事長這個做一個調整好不好現在大概跟部長討論就是朝禮拜一休館其他因應的時間來調整這樣沒關係你看怎麼調我沒有說一定要怎麼調但是我不能允許就是所有的假日通通休館這個我不能接受是不是看怎麼調一下自己你們內部可以做調整好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n3986\t29439\t謝謝主席,我們請部長。好,陳部長。部長,我那個陳剛才李昆哲委員所提到的,當一天和尚敲一天鐘這是基本的責任,當一天和尚更要敲好一天鐘,\n31588\t56889\t所以你那個鐘呢事實上就是說要怎麼樣把鐘敲得更好我想這個是我們每一個人盡自己的責任要把它做最好的表現嘛所以我是希望說我們的很多公務員的思想要慢慢的再去提升啦就是要敲好一天鐘而不是敲一天鐘而已好那我再請教一下部長現在雙城論壇有一個訴求\n60615\t76897\t就說他們是不是上海的陸團可以開放到台灣來。那我們台灣其實很早很早很早就已經開放了嘛對不對。現在台灣開放我們台灣人到中國去旅遊的那個現在狀況怎麼樣。\n78258\t103775\t報告委員目前應該是200多萬人吧,到中國旅遊的應該超過200多萬人。這是我們從3月開始開放。台灣到中國的旅遊其實都一向沒有限制,所以台灣人民要到中國去旅遊其實是相當自由的。對,所以你看我們是從3月開放嘛,以前王國才還在當部長的時候,王國才部長那時候是說本來是要3月開放到6月。是。\n104758\t119917\t然後6月之後事實上我們也沒有停嗎?所以也就是說我們交通部的角度、觀光署的角度是到現在一直都是開放的嗎?\n121768\t141821\t有規劃的啦,六月以前有規劃的其實都讓他們繼續再走。那我所知道到現在為止團科應該都還在...對,所以其實我就講說我們台灣對於中國的善意,事實上我們已經有十足的善意,就等他們對等嘛。那國民黨一直在講說我們貿易逆差,\n143732\t173346\t那你中國一直不開放,現在只在考慮上海是不是可以過來,坦白講那真的只是一點小會啦,不足掛齒啦,那你要的話你就全部都開放嘛,跟台灣一樣對等嘛,所以我想呼籲國民黨的藍白色的委員,你一直在說台灣,我們台灣已經釋出善意,現在中國不釋出善意,怎麼沒有聽到國民黨藍白的委員在罵中國呢?\n175336\t191845\t每一次都只會對自己家人大小聲對外面的人就不敢吭聲所以其實我是覺得非常的沉痛我們也希望說政治歸政治經濟歸經濟但是呢你們不要看到中國就腳軟\n194449\t215994\t所以這個是我希望說今天你們如果要呼籲的話就一起嘛你不要只是上海團嘛你就一起嘛全國都一樣嘛全中國都一樣嘛跟台灣對等嘛所以大家沒有看到台灣的善意只會對台灣罵來罵去我是覺得這個是藍白最大的問題所以我也在這邊很沉重的呼籲啦\n218285\t247229\t好那那個再請教一下我們那個2024觀光產業數位博覽會那個部長去那邊看了覺得那個AI對我們觀光有沒有很大的幫助?欸我想我相信是會有很大幫助包含說因為現在在缺工啦齁所以AI跟智慧化其實可以讓我們需要的人力可以減少對於旅宿業一定會有幫助所以這個除了在台北辦有沒有機會移世高雄?我們在台北辦的成效還蠻好的啦\n247789\t271410\t那其實去看的人也蠻多的那沒合到的也蠻多的沒合到的業者也蠻多那我有聽到說委員在指教說希望南部可以辦我們現在也正在評估因為我一直都在關注臺北的活動跟高雄活動的差距那是不是以後我們每一次的在規劃活動的時候都能夠全國思考\n272722\t281037\t而不是只是留在台北。當然台北發出第一炮我們是可以接受啦。但是第二炮總是到高雄來了吧。\n282162\t310500\t好,那這個是不是請部長跟署長可以規劃?好,報告委員,這個我們已經有在規劃。委員,由此較這一點我們就會往,對,臺北我們還是繼續啦。當然當然。但是在高雄我們在思考說要不要再辦第二場,那這個部分我們來盤點一下預算。所以一定要盡快思考,不是只是再思考。好。好,那再來就是說,其實剛剛那一頁先留著,那個,這個我們觀光署是不是有主動?\n312021\t326020\t對於旅遊、旅遊業、遊樂業等。其實我曾經跟他們講說你們旅遊業或商圈,你們如果有希望用AI的角度來做思考,那我們台北這裡既然有一些經驗,\n327796\t351938\t那是不是可以比如說到我們高雄找我們的商圈找我們的旅遊旅宿業做一個座談會或者是類似AI方面的技術的知識的傳遞然後讓基本上的店家旅遊旅宿業等他們可以知道說原來我可以這麼用\n354063\t377776\t因為這些東西如果你沒有展覽沒有去親自去指導他們可能還不知道我可以如何去把AI應用進來所以這個know-how其實是很重要的所以是不是請觀光署也有機會規劃就是說我針對這樣子的旅遊旅宿業者我如何也可以有AI的應用到你們的產業裡面去幫助你們\n379338\t405535\t那這個是不是你博覽會可能是針對所有的那個店家的民營業者或者是人民都可以去看嘛那我針對店家的商店業的旅遊旅宿業的需求我直接去跟他們面對面去告訴他們這樣子一個好的訊息這個是不是可以可行是也許這樣子會幫助他們會更快\n406135\t428793\t也需要,因為這叫做分享會,或者是一個研討的方式交流,這個也是一個...我不知道台北有沒有要這樣子辦了啦。我們是有持續在辦,那這一次的那個等於是數位的博覽會是更是擴大。那剛剛委員所指教的部分,部長也有特別提示啦,我們會以南部,\n429614\t453568\t南部的期限式的角度來看能夠我希望能夠盡快就是說我也可以跟南部的旅遊旅宿業者講現在那個人家觀光署要來辦AI的那個知識的或者是AI的技術的應用的一個分享那產學合作很重要是不是可以盡快做這種規劃其實讓他們盡快能用現在就是如剛剛部長所提的人力缺乏嘛\n454268\t455709\t二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部觀光品質及所屬單位預算\n465430\t485783\t我們一直在推動觀光航線。事實上觀光署現在變成局變成署之後我們有看到有擴大服務。所以你看看就是我們到了各國去的那個旅客服務中心已經有增加了。你包括印尼、印度、法國、巴勒斯加拿大等。年底還要受菲律賓馬尼拉。\n489346\t498118\t這個之外是不是其實我一直去拜訪很多的航空公司之外我有去拜訪泰國跟沖繩他們的觀光局\n501229\t526422\t市長他們做的時候他們除了怎麼樣去吸引台灣旅客去他們國家而不是他們國家的帶我們台灣來是台灣旅客去他們國家那當然就是說我們觀光署設定了這麼多的推廣中心希望就是從各個國家的旅客到台灣來這個是我們觀光署去最主要的目的嘛那航線是不是可以一併思考\n527560\t553783\t你沒有航線你就想要來都沒辦法來,不然就要拼了幾年拼了六年回去。所以你看印尼、雅加達在我們高雄的立場,我們高雄、南台灣到東南亞的人口數我想說不亞於北台灣。所以光是你可以去做調查,自從印尼、雅加達從南部去的可能不會比北部的少,但是我都要拼了幾年。\n555307\t562277\t所以這個航線如果說有機會高雄直接到雅加達我不知道這個觀光署有沒有在努力\n563847\t589002\t報告委員,我們其實把高雄機場設定為整個新南向最重要的機場,那所以其實往東南亞的部分其實民航局要來努力,那當然觀光署也會針對這方面來努力,針對航線的部分,針對新南向的方向,我們一定會來努力爭取給高雄機場。總部長你還沒來之前,我這件事至少講了半年以上了,那不知道有沒有進度?\n591523\t611614\t報告委員其實民航局一直在爭取要給高雄的這個機場可以更多的航線尤其是往東南亞的方向那這個跟航權的談判其實有一點關係所以這個部分還在進行我希望就是部長能夠再請民航局辛苦一點民航局很認真我知道觀光署也很認真但我告訴部長一個數據可能你會覺得很訝異\n613001\t613141\t是,是。\n626608\t645846\t你會聽到覺得很誇張對不對?所以我們的航線跟航量還要再增加啦。不是,停機品的,我光是停機品的問題。是是。啊,部長可以去了解一下,請局長再跟你講解一下。好。啊,就是停機品的問題,這人飛機要來,航空公司要來,沒有停機品給他們。是是。啊,停機品現在要到40個,只有停20個,通常是純的。\n648849\t672517\t有的是就是他們之間的約的問題或調配的問題。但是現在有十幾個差不多都經常都沒用到這樣啦。這個我想部長可能不見得清楚,但是請民航局長跟你說明一下。這個問題如果不解決,我要上這航班都有困難啦。所以這個也是個嚴重的問題。那也就是說高雄機場,我再舉個例子。遠東航空以前有飛機對不對?\n674970\t700369\t在台北停了,停機坪停了一架,在高雄停了一架,現在台北那一架已經移走了,移走好久了,高雄那一架還停在那裡站位置,這太細了啦,但是部長你可能不清楚啦,但是我就說,高雄跟台北,高雄我們的公務員心態,那台飛機不敢動就是不敢動啦,因為我們在那裡站位啦,別人要用沒辦法用啦,\n702185\t726159\t所以這個部分雖然比較細,希望說部長瞭解一下,請他們要做妥適的處理。看要怎麼解決,我們來想辦法解決。最後一件,給我30秒的時間,我簡單的要求一下。那個郵政博物館,董事長也知道,跟部長也知道一下,就是簡單的要求。就是說,台北分館跟高雄館從12月17日起,\n730211\t756124\t禮拜六、禮拜天、國定假日、連續假期通通休館。現在是怎樣?報告委員,其實我自己看了也覺得不太合理。所以我也有拜託王董事長,是不是在公司裡面要去做調整。你假日至少讓孩子有機會去看一天嘛。假日要啦,要啦。假日沒開很期。我的孩子們想要去都沒有機會啦。大家都休館快要去,現在休館都要休館。\n757925\t780902\t這個部分我想希望說部長跟董事長這個做一個調整好不好現在大概跟部長討論就是朝禮拜一休館其他因應的時間來調整這樣沒關係你看怎麼調我沒有說一定要怎麼調但是我不能允許就是所有的假日通通休館這個我不能接受是不是看怎麼調一下自己你們內部可以做調整好謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席,我們請部長。好,陳部長。部長,我那個陳剛才李昆哲委員所提到的,當一天和尚敲一天鐘這是基本的責任,當一天和尚更要敲好一天鐘,\n所以你那個鐘呢事實上就是說要怎麼樣把鐘敲得更好我想這個是我們每一個人盡自己的責任要把它做最好的表現嘛所以我是希望說我們的很多公務員的思想要慢慢的再去提升啦就是要敲好一天鐘而不是敲一天鐘而已好那我再請教一下部長現在雙城論壇有一個訴求\n就說他們是不是上海的陸團可以開放到台灣來。那我們台灣其實很早很早很早就已經開放了嘛對不對。現在台灣開放我們台灣人到中國去旅遊的那個現在狀況怎麼樣。\n報告委員目前應該是200多萬人吧,到中國旅遊的應該超過200多萬人。這是我們從3月開始開放。台灣到中國的旅遊其實都一向沒有限制,所以台灣人民要到中國去旅遊其實是相當自由的。對,所以你看我們是從3月開放嘛,以前王國才還在當部長的時候,王國才部長那時候是說本來是要3月開放到6月。是。\n然後6月之後事實上我們也沒有停嗎?所以也就是說我們交通部的角度、觀光署的角度是到現在一直都是開放的嗎?\n有規劃的啦,六月以前有規劃的其實都讓他們繼續再走。那我所知道到現在為止團科應該都還在...對,所以其實我就講說我們台灣對於中國的善意,事實上我們已經有十足的善意,就等他們對等嘛。那國民黨一直在講說我們貿易逆差,\n那你中國一直不開放,現在只在考慮上海是不是可以過來,坦白講那真的只是一點小會啦,不足掛齒啦,那你要的話你就全部都開放嘛,跟台灣一樣對等嘛,所以我想呼籲國民黨的藍白色的委員,你一直在說台灣,我們台灣已經釋出善意,現在中國不釋出善意,怎麼沒有聽到國民黨藍白的委員在罵中國呢?\n每一次都只會對自己家人大小聲對外面的人就不敢吭聲所以其實我是覺得非常的沉痛我們也希望說政治歸政治經濟歸經濟但是呢你們不要看到中國就腳軟\n所以這個是我希望說今天你們如果要呼籲的話就一起嘛你不要只是上海團嘛你就一起嘛全國都一樣嘛全中國都一樣嘛跟台灣對等嘛所以大家沒有看到台灣的善意只會對台灣罵來罵去我是覺得這個是藍白最大的問題所以我也在這邊很沉重的呼籲啦\n好那那個再請教一下我們那個2024觀光產業數位博覽會那個部長去那邊看了覺得那個AI對我們觀光有沒有很大的幫助?欸我想我相信是會有很大幫助包含說因為現在在缺工啦齁所以AI跟智慧化其實可以讓我們需要的人力可以減少對於旅宿業一定會有幫助所以這個除了在台北辦有沒有機會移世高雄?我們在台北辦的成效還蠻好的啦\n那其實去看的人也蠻多的那沒合到的也蠻多的沒合到的業者也蠻多那我有聽到說委員在指教說希望南部可以辦我們現在也正在評估因為我一直都在關注臺北的活動跟高雄活動的差距那是不是以後我們每一次的在規劃活動的時候都能夠全國思考\n而不是只是留在台北。當然台北發出第一炮我們是可以接受啦。但是第二炮總是到高雄來了吧。\n好,那這個是不是請部長跟署長可以規劃?好,報告委員,這個我們已經有在規劃。委員,由此較這一點我們就會往,對,臺北我們還是繼續啦。當然當然。但是在高雄我們在思考說要不要再辦第二場,那這個部分我們來盤點一下預算。所以一定要盡快思考,不是只是再思考。好。好,那再來就是說,其實剛剛那一頁先留著,那個,這個我們觀光署是不是有主動?\n對於旅遊、旅遊業、遊樂業等。其實我曾經跟他們講說你們旅遊業或商圈,你們如果有希望用AI的角度來做思考,那我們台北這裡既然有一些經驗,\n那是不是可以比如說到我們高雄找我們的商圈找我們的旅遊旅宿業做一個座談會或者是類似AI方面的技術的知識的傳遞然後讓基本上的店家旅遊旅宿業等他們可以知道說原來我可以這麼用\n因為這些東西如果你沒有展覽沒有去親自去指導他們可能還不知道我可以如何去把AI應用進來所以這個know-how其實是很重要的所以是不是請觀光署也有機會規劃就是說我針對這樣子的旅遊旅宿業者我如何也可以有AI的應用到你們的產業裡面去幫助你們\n那這個是不是你博覽會可能是針對所有的那個店家的民營業者或者是人民都可以去看嘛那我針對店家的商店業的旅遊旅宿業的需求我直接去跟他們面對面去告訴他們這樣子一個好的訊息這個是不是可以可行是也許這樣子會幫助他們會更快\n也需要,因為這叫做分享會,或者是一個研討的方式交流,這個也是一個...我不知道台北有沒有要這樣子辦了啦。我們是有持續在辦,那這一次的那個等於是數位的博覽會是更是擴大。那剛剛委員所指教的部分,部長也有特別提示啦,我們會以南部,\n南部的期限式的角度來看能夠我希望能夠盡快就是說我也可以跟南部的旅遊旅宿業者講現在那個人家觀光署要來辦AI的那個知識的或者是AI的技術的應用的一個分享那產學合作很重要是不是可以盡快做這種規劃其實讓他們盡快能用現在就是如剛剛部長所提的人力缺乏嘛\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部觀光品質及所屬單位預算\n我們一直在推動觀光航線。事實上觀光署現在變成局變成署之後我們有看到有擴大服務。所以你看看就是我們到了各國去的那個旅客服務中心已經有增加了。你包括印尼、印度、法國、巴勒斯加拿大等。年底還要受菲律賓馬尼拉。\n這個之外是不是其實我一直去拜訪很多的航空公司之外我有去拜訪泰國跟沖繩他們的觀光局\n市長他們做的時候他們除了怎麼樣去吸引台灣旅客去他們國家而不是他們國家的帶我們台灣來是台灣旅客去他們國家那當然就是說我們觀光署設定了這麼多的推廣中心希望就是從各個國家的旅客到台灣來這個是我們觀光署去最主要的目的嘛那航線是不是可以一併思考\n你沒有航線你就想要來都沒辦法來,不然就要拼了幾年拼了六年回去。所以你看印尼、雅加達在我們高雄的立場,我們高雄、南台灣到東南亞的人口數我想說不亞於北台灣。所以光是你可以去做調查,自從印尼、雅加達從南部去的可能不會比北部的少,但是我都要拼了幾年。\n所以這個航線如果說有機會高雄直接到雅加達我不知道這個觀光署有沒有在努力\n報告委員,我們其實把高雄機場設定為整個新南向最重要的機場,那所以其實往東南亞的部分其實民航局要來努力,那當然觀光署也會針對這方面來努力,針對航線的部分,針對新南向的方向,我們一定會來努力爭取給高雄機場。總部長你還沒來之前,我這件事至少講了半年以上了,那不知道有沒有進度?\n報告委員其實民航局一直在爭取要給高雄的這個機場可以更多的航線尤其是往東南亞的方向那這個跟航權的談判其實有一點關係所以這個部分還在進行我希望就是部長能夠再請民航局辛苦一點民航局很認真我知道觀光署也很認真但我告訴部長一個數據可能你會覺得很訝異\n是,是。\n你會聽到覺得很誇張對不對?所以我們的航線跟航量還要再增加啦。不是,停機品的,我光是停機品的問題。是是。啊,部長可以去了解一下,請局長再跟你講解一下。好。啊,就是停機品的問題,這人飛機要來,航空公司要來,沒有停機品給他們。是是。啊,停機品現在要到40個,只有停20個,通常是純的。\n有的是就是他們之間的約的問題或調配的問題。但是現在有十幾個差不多都經常都沒用到這樣啦。這個我想部長可能不見得清楚,但是請民航局長跟你說明一下。這個問題如果不解決,我要上這航班都有困難啦。所以這個也是個嚴重的問題。那也就是說高雄機場,我再舉個例子。遠東航空以前有飛機對不對?\n在台北停了,停機坪停了一架,在高雄停了一架,現在台北那一架已經移走了,移走好久了,高雄那一架還停在那裡站位置,這太細了啦,但是部長你可能不清楚啦,但是我就說,高雄跟台北,高雄我們的公務員心態,那台飛機不敢動就是不敢動啦,因為我們在那裡站位啦,別人要用沒辦法用啦,\n所以這個部分雖然比較細,希望說部長瞭解一下,請他們要做妥適的處理。看要怎麼解決,我們來想辦法解決。最後一件,給我30秒的時間,我簡單的要求一下。那個郵政博物館,董事長也知道,跟部長也知道一下,就是簡單的要求。就是說,台北分館跟高雄館從12月17日起,\n禮拜六、禮拜天、國定假日、連續假期通通休館。現在是怎樣?報告委員,其實我自己看了也覺得不太合理。所以我也有拜託王董事長,是不是在公司裡面要去做調整。你假日至少讓孩子有機會去看一天嘛。假日要啦,要啦。假日沒開很期。我的孩子們想要去都沒有機會啦。大家都休館快要去,現在休館都要休館。\n這個部分我想希望說部長跟董事長這個做一個調整好不好現在大概跟部長討論就是朝禮拜一休館其他因應的時間來調整這樣沒關係你看怎麼調我沒有說一定要怎麼調但是我不能允許就是所有的假日通通休館這個我不能接受是不是看怎麼調一下自己你們內部可以做調整好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.986 --> 00:29.439\n謝謝主席,我們請部長。好,陳部長。部長,我那個陳剛才李昆哲委員所提到的,當一天和尚敲一天鐘這是基本的責任,當一天和尚更要敲好一天鐘,\n\n00:31.588 --> 00:56.889\n所以你那個鐘呢事實上就是說要怎麼樣把鐘敲得更好我想這個是我們每一個人盡自己的責任要把它做最好的表現嘛所以我是希望說我們的很多公務員的思想要慢慢的再去提升啦就是要敲好一天鐘而不是敲一天鐘而已好那我再請教一下部長現在雙城論壇有一個訴求\n\n01:00.615 --> 01:16.897\n就說他們是不是上海的陸團可以開放到台灣來。那我們台灣其實很早很早很早就已經開放了嘛對不對。現在台灣開放我們台灣人到中國去旅遊的那個現在狀況怎麼樣。\n\n01:18.258 --> 01:43.775\n報告委員目前應該是200多萬人吧,到中國旅遊的應該超過200多萬人。這是我們從3月開始開放。台灣到中國的旅遊其實都一向沒有限制,所以台灣人民要到中國去旅遊其實是相當自由的。對,所以你看我們是從3月開放嘛,以前王國才還在當部長的時候,王國才部長那時候是說本來是要3月開放到6月。是。\n\n01:44.758 --> 01:59.917\n然後6月之後事實上我們也沒有停嗎?所以也就是說我們交通部的角度、觀光署的角度是到現在一直都是開放的嗎?\n\n02:01.768 --> 02:21.821\n有規劃的啦,六月以前有規劃的其實都讓他們繼續再走。那我所知道到現在為止團科應該都還在...對,所以其實我就講說我們台灣對於中國的善意,事實上我們已經有十足的善意,就等他們對等嘛。那國民黨一直在講說我們貿易逆差,\n\n02:23.732 --> 02:53.346\n那你中國一直不開放,現在只在考慮上海是不是可以過來,坦白講那真的只是一點小會啦,不足掛齒啦,那你要的話你就全部都開放嘛,跟台灣一樣對等嘛,所以我想呼籲國民黨的藍白色的委員,你一直在說台灣,我們台灣已經釋出善意,現在中國不釋出善意,怎麼沒有聽到國民黨藍白的委員在罵中國呢?\n\n02:55.336 --> 03:11.845\n每一次都只會對自己家人大小聲對外面的人就不敢吭聲所以其實我是覺得非常的沉痛我們也希望說政治歸政治經濟歸經濟但是呢你們不要看到中國就腳軟\n\n03:14.449 --> 03:35.994\n所以這個是我希望說今天你們如果要呼籲的話就一起嘛你不要只是上海團嘛你就一起嘛全國都一樣嘛全中國都一樣嘛跟台灣對等嘛所以大家沒有看到台灣的善意只會對台灣罵來罵去我是覺得這個是藍白最大的問題所以我也在這邊很沉重的呼籲啦\n\n03:38.285 --> 04:07.229\n好那那個再請教一下我們那個2024觀光產業數位博覽會那個部長去那邊看了覺得那個AI對我們觀光有沒有很大的幫助?欸我想我相信是會有很大幫助包含說因為現在在缺工啦齁所以AI跟智慧化其實可以讓我們需要的人力可以減少對於旅宿業一定會有幫助所以這個除了在台北辦有沒有機會移世高雄?我們在台北辦的成效還蠻好的啦\n\n04:07.789 --> 04:31.410\n那其實去看的人也蠻多的那沒合到的也蠻多的沒合到的業者也蠻多那我有聽到說委員在指教說希望南部可以辦我們現在也正在評估因為我一直都在關注臺北的活動跟高雄活動的差距那是不是以後我們每一次的在規劃活動的時候都能夠全國思考\n\n04:32.722 --> 04:41.037\n而不是只是留在台北。當然台北發出第一炮我們是可以接受啦。但是第二炮總是到高雄來了吧。\n\n04:42.162 --> 05:10.500\n好,那這個是不是請部長跟署長可以規劃?好,報告委員,這個我們已經有在規劃。委員,由此較這一點我們就會往,對,臺北我們還是繼續啦。當然當然。但是在高雄我們在思考說要不要再辦第二場,那這個部分我們來盤點一下預算。所以一定要盡快思考,不是只是再思考。好。好,那再來就是說,其實剛剛那一頁先留著,那個,這個我們觀光署是不是有主動?\n\n05:12.021 --> 05:26.020\n對於旅遊、旅遊業、遊樂業等。其實我曾經跟他們講說你們旅遊業或商圈,你們如果有希望用AI的角度來做思考,那我們台北這裡既然有一些經驗,\n\n05:27.796 --> 05:51.938\n那是不是可以比如說到我們高雄找我們的商圈找我們的旅遊旅宿業做一個座談會或者是類似AI方面的技術的知識的傳遞然後讓基本上的店家旅遊旅宿業等他們可以知道說原來我可以這麼用\n\n05:54.063 --> 06:17.776\n因為這些東西如果你沒有展覽沒有去親自去指導他們可能還不知道我可以如何去把AI應用進來所以這個know-how其實是很重要的所以是不是請觀光署也有機會規劃就是說我針對這樣子的旅遊旅宿業者我如何也可以有AI的應用到你們的產業裡面去幫助你們\n\n06:19.338 --> 06:45.535\n那這個是不是你博覽會可能是針對所有的那個店家的民營業者或者是人民都可以去看嘛那我針對店家的商店業的旅遊旅宿業的需求我直接去跟他們面對面去告訴他們這樣子一個好的訊息這個是不是可以可行是也許這樣子會幫助他們會更快\n\n06:46.135 --> 07:08.793\n也需要,因為這叫做分享會,或者是一個研討的方式交流,這個也是一個...我不知道台北有沒有要這樣子辦了啦。我們是有持續在辦,那這一次的那個等於是數位的博覽會是更是擴大。那剛剛委員所指教的部分,部長也有特別提示啦,我們會以南部,\n\n07:09.614 --> 07:33.568\n南部的期限式的角度來看能夠我希望能夠盡快就是說我也可以跟南部的旅遊旅宿業者講現在那個人家觀光署要來辦AI的那個知識的或者是AI的技術的應用的一個分享那產學合作很重要是不是可以盡快做這種規劃其實讓他們盡快能用現在就是如剛剛部長所提的人力缺乏嘛\n\n07:34.268 --> 07:35.709\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部觀光品質及所屬單位預算\n\n07:45.430 --> 08:05.783\n我們一直在推動觀光航線。事實上觀光署現在變成局變成署之後我們有看到有擴大服務。所以你看看就是我們到了各國去的那個旅客服務中心已經有增加了。你包括印尼、印度、法國、巴勒斯加拿大等。年底還要受菲律賓馬尼拉。\n\n08:09.346 --> 08:18.118\n這個之外是不是其實我一直去拜訪很多的航空公司之外我有去拜訪泰國跟沖繩他們的觀光局\n\n08:21.229 --> 08:46.422\n市長他們做的時候他們除了怎麼樣去吸引台灣旅客去他們國家而不是他們國家的帶我們台灣來是台灣旅客去他們國家那當然就是說我們觀光署設定了這麼多的推廣中心希望就是從各個國家的旅客到台灣來這個是我們觀光署去最主要的目的嘛那航線是不是可以一併思考\n\n08:47.560 --> 09:13.783\n你沒有航線你就想要來都沒辦法來,不然就要拼了幾年拼了六年回去。所以你看印尼、雅加達在我們高雄的立場,我們高雄、南台灣到東南亞的人口數我想說不亞於北台灣。所以光是你可以去做調查,自從印尼、雅加達從南部去的可能不會比北部的少,但是我都要拼了幾年。\n\n09:15.307 --> 09:22.277\n所以這個航線如果說有機會高雄直接到雅加達我不知道這個觀光署有沒有在努力\n\n09:23.847 --> 09:49.002\n報告委員,我們其實把高雄機場設定為整個新南向最重要的機場,那所以其實往東南亞的部分其實民航局要來努力,那當然觀光署也會針對這方面來努力,針對航線的部分,針對新南向的方向,我們一定會來努力爭取給高雄機場。總部長你還沒來之前,我這件事至少講了半年以上了,那不知道有沒有進度?\n\n09:51.523 --> 10:11.614\n報告委員其實民航局一直在爭取要給高雄的這個機場可以更多的航線尤其是往東南亞的方向那這個跟航權的談判其實有一點關係所以這個部分還在進行我希望就是部長能夠再請民航局辛苦一點民航局很認真我知道觀光署也很認真但我告訴部長一個數據可能你會覺得很訝異\n\n10:13.001 --> 10:13.141\n是,是。\n\n10:26.608 --> 10:45.846\n你會聽到覺得很誇張對不對?所以我們的航線跟航量還要再增加啦。不是,停機品的,我光是停機品的問題。是是。啊,部長可以去了解一下,請局長再跟你講解一下。好。啊,就是停機品的問題,這人飛機要來,航空公司要來,沒有停機品給他們。是是。啊,停機品現在要到40個,只有停20個,通常是純的。\n\n10:48.849 --> 11:12.517\n有的是就是他們之間的約的問題或調配的問題。但是現在有十幾個差不多都經常都沒用到這樣啦。這個我想部長可能不見得清楚,但是請民航局長跟你說明一下。這個問題如果不解決,我要上這航班都有困難啦。所以這個也是個嚴重的問題。那也就是說高雄機場,我再舉個例子。遠東航空以前有飛機對不對?\n\n11:14.970 --> 11:40.369\n在台北停了,停機坪停了一架,在高雄停了一架,現在台北那一架已經移走了,移走好久了,高雄那一架還停在那裡站位置,這太細了啦,但是部長你可能不清楚啦,但是我就說,高雄跟台北,高雄我們的公務員心態,那台飛機不敢動就是不敢動啦,因為我們在那裡站位啦,別人要用沒辦法用啦,\n\n11:42.185 --> 12:06.159\n所以這個部分雖然比較細,希望說部長瞭解一下,請他們要做妥適的處理。看要怎麼解決,我們來想辦法解決。最後一件,給我30秒的時間,我簡單的要求一下。那個郵政博物館,董事長也知道,跟部長也知道一下,就是簡單的要求。就是說,台北分館跟高雄館從12月17日起,\n\n12:10.211 --> 12:36.124\n禮拜六、禮拜天、國定假日、連續假期通通休館。現在是怎樣?報告委員,其實我自己看了也覺得不太合理。所以我也有拜託王董事長,是不是在公司裡面要去做調整。你假日至少讓孩子有機會去看一天嘛。假日要啦,要啦。假日沒開很期。我的孩子們想要去都沒有機會啦。大家都休館快要去,現在休館都要休館。\n\n12:37.925 --> 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136,"blocks":[["許委員智傑：（9時36分）謝謝主席，請部長。"],["主席：請陳部長。"],["許委員智傑：部長，承剛才李昆澤委員所提到的，當一天和尚敲一天鐘，這是基本的責任；當一天和尚，更要敲好一天鐘，所以要怎麼把鐘敲得更好？這個是每個人盡自己的責任，要把它做最好的表現，所以我是希望很多公務員的思想要慢慢的再去提升，要敲好一天鐘而不是敲一天鐘而已。","我再請教一下部長，現在雙城論壇有一個訴求，他們是不是上海的陸團可以開放到臺灣來？我們臺灣其實很早、很早、很早就已經開放了對不對？現在開放我們臺灣人到中國去旅遊的狀況怎麼樣？"],["陳部長世凱：報告委員，目前應該是兩百多萬人吧，到中國旅遊的應該超過兩百多萬人，那臺灣……"],["許委員智傑：只是我們從3月開始開放。"],["陳部長世凱：臺灣到中國的旅遊一向都沒有限制，所以臺灣人民要到中國去旅遊其實是相當自由的。"],["許委員智傑：對，所以你看我們是從3月開放嘛，以前王國材還在當部長的時候，本來是要3月開放到6月。"],["陳部長世凱：是，委員所說的是團客的部分。"],["許委員智傑：對，然後6月之後事實上我們也沒有停嘛？"],["陳部長世凱：其實到目前為止都還有團客在……"],["許委員智傑：也就是說，我們交通部的角度、觀光署的角度到現在一直都是開放的嘛？"],["陳部長世凱：有規劃的……6月以前有規劃的其實都讓他們繼續在走，我所知道到到現在為止團客應該都還在……"],["許委員智傑：對，其實臺灣對中國已經有十足的善意，就等他們對等嘛。國民黨一直在講我們貿易逆差，中國一直不開放，現在只考慮上海是不是可以過來，坦白講那真的只是一點小惠，不足掛齒啦，要的話就全部都開放，跟臺灣一樣對等嘛。"],["陳部長世凱：是。"],["許委員智傑：所以我想要呼籲國民黨的、藍白的委員，你們一直說臺灣，我們臺灣已經釋出善意，現在是中國不釋出善意，怎麼沒有聽到國民黨的、藍白的委員在罵中國呢？每一次都只會對自己家人大小聲，對外面的人就不敢吭聲，所以其實我是覺得非常的沉痛，我們也希望說政治歸政治、經濟歸經濟，但是你們不要看到中國就腳軟，我希望今天你們如果要呼籲的話就一起嘛！你不要只是上海團嘛！你就一起嘛！全國都一樣嘛！全中國都一樣嘛！跟臺灣對等嘛！所以大家沒有看到臺灣的善意，只會對臺灣罵來罵去，我是覺得這個是藍白最大的問題，所以我也在這邊很沉重地呼籲。","再請教一下，2024觀光產業數位博覽會，部長去那邊看了覺得AI對我們觀光有沒有很大的幫助？"],["陳部長世凱：我相信是會有很大幫助，包含因為現在缺工，所以AI跟智慧化其實可以讓我們需要的人力減少，對於旅宿業一定會有幫助。"],["許委員智傑：所以這個除了在臺北辦，有沒有機會移師高雄？"],["陳部長世凱：報告委員，我們在臺北辦的成效還滿好的，其實去看的人也滿多的，媒合到的業者也滿多，我有聽到委員在指教說希望南部可以辦……"],["許委員智傑：是的。"],["陳部長世凱：我們現在也正在評估啦！"],["許委員智傑：因為我一直都在關注臺北的活動跟高雄活動的差距，是不是以後我們每一次在規劃活動的時候都能夠全國思考，而不是只是留在臺北？當然臺北發出第一炮，我們是可以接受啦！但是第二炮總是到高雄來了吧？這個是不是請部長跟署長可以規劃？"],["陳部長世凱：好，報告委員，這個我們已經有在規劃，委員有指教這一點，對，臺北我們還是繼續……"],["許委員智傑：當然。"],["陳部長世凱：但是在高雄我們在思考說要不要再辦第二場，這個部分我們來盤點一下預算。"],["許委員智傑：所以一定要儘快思考，不是只是再思考。"],["陳部長世凱：好。"],["許委員智傑：再來，我們觀光署是不是有主動，就是對於旅遊業、旅宿業、遊樂業等，其實我曾經跟他們講說你們旅遊業或商圈，你們如果有希望用AI的角度來做思考，我們臺北這裡既然有一些經驗，那是不是可以比如說到高雄找我們的商圈、找我們的旅遊、旅宿業做一個座談會，或者是類似AI方面的技術知識的傳遞，然後讓基本上的店家、旅遊、旅宿業等他們可以知道原來我可以這麼用，因為這些東西如果你沒有展覽、沒有親自去指導，他們可能還不知道可以如何去把AI應用進來，所以這個knowhow其實是很重要的，所以是不是請觀光署也有機會規劃，就是針對這樣子的旅遊、旅宿業者，如何也可以有AI的應用到產業裡面去幫助他們，因為博覽會可能是針對所有的店家、民營業者或者是人民都可以去看，針對店家的商店業、旅遊、旅宿業的需求，直接跟他們面對面去告訴他們這樣子一個好的訊息，這個是不是可以可行？也許這樣子幫助他們會更快。"],["周署長永暉：也需要，因為這叫做分享會或者是一個研討的方式交流，這個也是一個……"],["許委員智傑：我不知道臺北有沒有這樣子辦了啦？"],["周署長永暉：我們是有持續在辦，這一次數位博覽會是更擴大，剛剛委員所指教的部分部長也有特別提示了，我們會以南部7縣市的角度來看，能夠for地方的方式。"],["許委員智傑：我希望能夠儘快，我也可以跟南部的旅遊、旅宿業者講，現在人家觀光署要來辦AI知識的或者是AI技術的應用分享。"],["周署長永暉：產學合作很重要……"],["許委員智傑：是不是可以儘快做這種規劃？其實讓他們儘快能用，現在真的就是如剛剛部長所提的人力缺乏嘛！那我如果能夠儘快的話，其實可以解決很多這一部分大家困窘的問題，好不好？"],["陳部長世凱：好。"],["許委員智傑：好，這個能夠儘快齁？"],["陳部長世凱：好。"],["許委員智傑：另外就是說，我們一直在推動觀光航線，事實上觀光署，現在局變成署之後我們有看到有擴大服務，所以你看看就是我們到了各國去的旅客服務中心已經有增加了，包括印尼、印度、法國巴黎、加拿大等，年底還要設菲律賓馬尼拉。"],["陳部長世凱：是，菲律賓馬尼拉，明天。"],["許委員智傑：好，那這個之外，其實我一直去拜訪很多的航空公司之外，我也去拜訪泰國跟沖繩他們的觀光局，事實上他們做的除了怎麼樣去吸引臺灣旅客去他們國家，而不是他們國家的到我們臺灣來，是臺灣旅客去他們國家，當然就是說我們觀光署設定了這麼多的推廣中心，希望各個國家的旅客到臺灣來，這個是我們觀光署去最主要的目的嘛！航線是不是也可以一併思考？你沒有航線，想要來就沒辦法來，不然就要翻山越嶺、轉好幾班飛機，所以你看印尼雅加達，在我們高雄的立場，我們高雄、南臺灣到東南亞的人口數，我相信不亞於北臺灣啦！所以你可以去做調查，就是去印尼雅加達，從南部去的可能不會比北部少，但是我們都要翻山越嶺，所以如果說有機會高雄直接到雅加達航線，我不知道觀光署有沒有在努力？"],["陳部長世凱：報告委員，我們其實把高雄機場設定為整個新南向最重要的機場，所以往東南亞的部分，其實民航局要來努力，當然觀光署也會針對這方面來努力……"],["許委員智傑：因為雅加達其實……"],["陳部長世凱：針對航線的部分、針對新南向的方向，我們一定會來努力爭取給高雄機場。"],["許委員智傑：所以從部長你還沒來之前，我這件事至少講半年以上了，不知道有沒有進度？"],["陳部長世凱：報告委員，其實民航局一直在爭取要給高雄的機場可以更多的航線，尤其是往東南亞的方向，這個跟航權的談判其實有一點關係，所以這個部分還在進行中。"],["許委員智傑：我希望部長能夠再請民航局辛苦一點，其實民航局很認真我知道，觀光署也很認真，那我告訴部長一個數據，可能你會覺得很訝異，高雄機場的停機坪的位置大概有38個左右，詳細的我不知道數字有沒有那麼清楚，目前使用的大概只有21、22個，你聽了會覺得很誇張對不對？"],["陳部長世凱：所以我們的航線跟航量還要再增加啦！"],["許委員智傑：不是，停機坪的，光是停機坪的問題，部長可以去了解一下，請局長再跟你講解一下。"],["陳部長世凱：好。"],["許委員智傑：這是停機坪的問題，人家飛機要來、航空公司要來，沒有停機坪給他們，停機坪現在快40個，只有停二十多個，剩下的有的是他們之間的約的問題或調配的問題，就是現在有差不多十幾個常常都沒用到這樣啦！這個我想部長可能不見得清楚，但是請民航局長跟你說明一下。"],["陳部長世凱：好，這我來了解。"],["許委員智傑：這個問題如果不解決，要增加航班都有困難啦！所以這個也是個嚴重的問題，也就是說高雄機場，我再舉個例子，遠東航空以前有飛機對不對？"],["陳部長世凱：對。"],["許委員智傑：在臺北停機坪停了一架、在高雄停了一架，現在臺北那一架已經移走了，移走好久了，高雄那一架還停在那裡占位置，這太細了啦！部長你可能不清楚啦，但是我就說高雄跟臺北，高雄我們的公務員心態，那台飛機不敢動就是不敢動，永遠在那邊占位置，別人要用沒辦法用啦。"],["陳部長世凱：了解。"],["許委員智傑：好，所以這個部分雖然比較細，希望部長了解一下，請他們要做妥適的處理。"],["陳部長世凱：我來了解，看要怎麼解決，我們來想辦法解決。"],["許委員智傑：好，最後一件給我30秒的時間，我簡單地要求一下，郵政博物館，沒關係，董事長也知道，部長也知道一下就好，我是簡單地要求，臺北分館跟高雄館從12月17日起，禮拜六、禮拜天、國定假日、連續假期統統休館，現在是怎樣？"],["陳部長世凱：報告委員，其實我自己看了也覺得不太合理，所以我有拜託王董事長，是不是在公司裡面要去做調整，那王董事長……"],["許委員智傑：你假日至少讓孩子有機會去看一天嘛！"],["陳部長世凱：假日要啦！"],["許委員智傑：你假日統統休館……"],["陳部長世凱：假日沒開很奇怪。"],["許委員智傑：我的孩子們想要去都沒有機會，大家都休息才要去，現在休息統統休館，這個部分希望部長跟董事長做一個調整好不好？"],["王董事長國材：現在大概跟部長討論就是朝禮拜一休館，其他因應的時間來調整這樣。"],["許委員智傑：沒關係，你看怎麼調，我沒有說一定要怎麼調，但是我不能允許所有的假日統統休館，這個我不能接受，是不是看怎麼調一下，你們內部再去做調整。"],["陳部長世凱：好，謝謝委員，謝謝。"],["許委員智傑：好，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝許委員。","接下來有請林國成委員發言。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":78,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-23-16","speakers":["魯明哲","李昆澤","許智傑","林國成","林俊憲","廖先翔","陳素月","翁曉玲","蔡其昌","何欣純","徐富癸","楊瓊瓔","王義川","洪孟楷","鄭天財Sra 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