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00:00:36,052\n不但不認真還在議事殿堂說謊話我請問一下你們現在大陸對等的問題你們進團令解了沒有沒有啊跟我們南百義委員有什麼關係\n\n3\n00:00:52,163 --> 00:01:01,188\n這種東西進團令是你們交通部是你們政府去禁止人家不來結果我說實在話我跟你講我們進團令就沒有結嘛\n\n4\n00:01:07,406 --> 00:01:28,176\n藍白議員為了觀光我也幾次跟部長跟署長建議觀光不能有政治你管他幹什麼你來消費我就歡迎所以這個部分所以你的問題禁團令都沒有所以我跟你講我今天坦白講\n\n5\n00:01:30,081 --> 00:01:54,776\n談到藍白這跟藍白有什麼關係這個政策是你們在制定我們只是建議盡快這種觀光本來就是對等那我問你啊那你說對等兩個字我請問一下日本來台灣多少人我們去日本多少人那也不對等嘛但是報告委員日本沒有限制他們的國民來台灣旅遊\n\n6\n00:01:56,517 --> 00:02:16,358\n為什麼我們禁團令不能解呢?中國目前有禁止他們的民眾來台灣旅遊。人家說上海要來觀光,請問一下這有什麼不好呢?所以不要什麼東西都是藍白,如果是這樣的話觀光就不會蓬勃發展嘛,這種東西很簡單。\n\n7\n00:02:17,759 --> 00:02:36,592\n政策我們尊重但是適可而止的禁止來達到對等我贊成我贊成不要我也反對啊我到任何一個地方我都反對對岸一大七小的政策這個我到哪邊我都反對啊\n\n8\n00:02:37,452 --> 00:02:57,108\n我跟你講我們是小兒美國家我們要談對等我同意但是不要動不動就說我們南白好像這個進團是我們南白所定的不能這樣這對我們所有的立法委員都不公平我們立法委員是政策制定由政府來做\n\n9\n00:02:57,668 --> 00:03:11,648\n那我們把基層聲音反映你們來做這個政策所以不要什麼東西又推給我們這個我很不服氣我很不服氣好那個部長我一向你也知道啦\n\n10\n00:03:13,083 --> 00:03:33,986\n我對你交通部跟觀光政策我是基本上是支持的但是我還是要建議觀光要有多元化到現在我們觀光的政策完完全全都是停頓自然而生存那種心態是不對的\n\n11\n00:03:35,496 --> 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--> 00:08.250\n陳部長、陳部長、周署長、周署長、周署長、周署長、周署長、周署長、周署長、周署長、周署長、周署長、周署長、周署長、周署長、周署長、周署長、周署長、周署長、周署長、周署長、周署長、周署長、周署長、周署長、周署長、周署長、周署長、周署長、周署長、周署長、周署長、周署長、周署長、周署長、周署長、周署長、周署長、周署長、周署長、周署長、周署長、周署長、周署長、周署長、周\n\n00:29.827 --> 00:36.052\n不但不認真還在議事殿堂說謊話我請問一下你們現在大陸對等的問題你們進團令解了沒有沒有啊跟我們南百義委員有什麼關係\n\n00:52.163 --> 01:01.188\n這種東西進團令是你們交通部是你們政府去禁止人家不來結果我說實在話我跟你講我們進團令就沒有結嘛\n\n01:07.406 --> 01:28.176\n藍白議員為了觀光我也幾次跟部長跟署長建議觀光不能有政治你管他幹什麼你來消費我就歡迎所以這個部分所以你的問題禁團令都沒有所以我跟你講我今天坦白講\n\n01:30.081 --> 01:54.776\n談到藍白這跟藍白有什麼關係這個政策是你們在制定我們只是建議盡快這種觀光本來就是對等那我問你啊那你說對等兩個字我請問一下日本來台灣多少人我們去日本多少人那也不對等嘛但是報告委員日本沒有限制他們的國民來台灣旅遊\n\n01:56.517 --> 02:16.358\n為什麼我們禁團令不能解呢?中國目前有禁止他們的民眾來台灣旅遊。人家說上海要來觀光,請問一下這有什麼不好呢?所以不要什麼東西都是藍白,如果是這樣的話觀光就不會蓬勃發展嘛,這種東西很簡單。\n\n02:17.759 --> 02:36.592\n政策我們尊重但是適可而止的禁止來達到對等我贊成我贊成不要我也反對啊我到任何一個地方我都反對對岸一大七小的政策這個我到哪邊我都反對啊\n\n02:37.452 --> 02:57.108\n我跟你講我們是小兒美國家我們要談對等我同意但是不要動不動就說我們南白好像這個進團是我們南白所定的不能這樣這對我們所有的立法委員都不公平我們立法委員是政策制定由政府來做\n\n02:57.668 --> 03:11.648\n那我們把基層聲音反映你們來做這個政策所以不要什麼東西又推給我們這個我很不服氣我很不服氣好那個部長我一向你也知道啦\n\n03:13.083 --> 03:33.986\n我對你交通部跟觀光政策我是基本上是支持的但是我還是要建議觀光要有多元化到現在我們觀光的政策完完全全都是停頓自然而生存那種心態是不對的\n\n03:35.496 --> 03:57.753\n觀光的東西當然要跟交通連結這一點我是很同意因為我認為不管任何人執政觀光跟交通是要連結的所以我還是真的蠻希望但是有一點觀光的安全也是很重要安全也是很重要所以在這裡我要特別這個圖片\n\n04:00.739 --> 04:12.057\n這個看一下來署長你看一下這個部長也剛來不久請問一下這個在阿里山這件事情報紙刊登之後\n\n04:13.157 --> 04:28.186\n你們才開始處理我請問一下你們現在處理的怎麼可以把所有的觀光客帶在這個鐵路裡面在那邊玩耍在那邊做這些動作我請問部長請問署長你們現在\n\n04:31.788 --> 04:35.010\n觀光署如何處理這個旅行社?如何處理?\n\n04:48.819 --> 05:12.179\n這件事情有兩個層面一個是鐵路法所以剛剛也跟林業署的華信署長也交換過意見他們就用鐵路法直接開法第二個是我們因為是帶團所以旅行社的部分我們就最重是五萬那麼帶團人員最重是一萬五所以我們人跟旅行社業者都開法是\n\n05:12.899 --> 05:19.222\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部觀光品質並增加觀光品質並增加觀光品質並增加\n\n05:37.971 --> 06:02.679\n這個我們把問題民意代表就把問題點出來如何上後如何解決當然要你們主管機關去做我覺得這個是萬萬不可取得己動怎麼可以把所有旅客帶到那個危險的地方更何況是違規的地方這個是不對的因為導遊掌握到整個這些安全跟舒適\n\n06:04.019 --> 06:10.960\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部觀光品質並增加觀光品質並增加觀光品質並增加觀光品質\n\n06:33.044 --> 06:47.626\n包括上次署長都是什麼老思想從來沒有改變從來沒有替百姓從來沒有替觀光政策去做過很多努力這點我特別跟部長投訴一下\n\n06:48.857 --> 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