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00:00:27,930\n好主席謝謝麻煩請陳世凱部長陳部長好部長好委員好部長我想今天早上很多委員都有關心說針對兩岸的旅遊的一個部分是面對現在上海主動有出席也釋放善意那台灣的進入團令進團令的部分你今天上午有回答是說會滾動檢討是不是是沒錯好\n\n2\n00:00:29,611 --> 00:00:56,392\n我想請教一下到目前為止兩個部分第一從我們宣布說進團令6月30號開始到現在我們有沒有這些旅行社還是有做這個相關的組團前往中國大陸6月30之前組團6月30以後啦到現在網路上我們有沒有看到很多的旅行社其實有做這樣的一個安排還是有啦但是不多還是有嗎對所以那我們這邊有沒有找有相關的一個規範或說相關的一個處置了嗎\n\n3\n00:00:59,159 --> 00:01:25,913\n我們的禁團令有嗎?對,委員提的是禁團令有,但是因為當初有一個3月到5月的開放。沒有啊,我現在講是說3月到5月之後啦,現在有沒有在賣?我們去查一下。不能公開,不能公開,不能公開,對啊。不能公開,大家都知道,就只有我們觀光署不知道。其實有嘛,要不要現在搜尋一下。\n\n4\n00:01:27,608 --> 00:01:32,440\n本席致死之痛的立場都是認為說觀光是民眾市場\n\n5\n00:01:33,700 --> 00:02:02,922\n大家喜歡去那個地方那個地方就是會活絡那你不要用政治意識形態干預對岸不應該台灣也不要我們都應該要開放的態度來去讓所有人喜歡的就來商機無限嘛之前是因為疫情所以飯店旅遊住宿觀光餐飲運輸海嘯第一排很可憐但現在疫情過後就好像只有台灣我們還活在這個疫情膠囊裡面我們還沒有回復\n\n6\n00:02:04,043 --> 00:02:24,570\n所以之前講說今年要一千兩百萬沒有變一千萬沒有變七百五十萬沒有到最後七百萬結果本期看到連來台七百萬突破的觀光人士都可以做新聞啊說實在話你當初我們期待你做新聞是做一千兩百萬不是七百萬\n\n7\n00:02:26,092 --> 00:02:46,437\n所以我想請教一下部長假設啦對岸現在真的能夠讓上海的民眾來到台灣那我們的這個淨團令真的可以讓國人也到中國大陸的時候是消費人身安全保障保險等等的都可以比較有一個名正言順契約\n\n8\n00:02:48,860 --> 00:03:07,051\n什麼時候能夠檢討?報告委員,這滾動檢討其實就是代表隨時在檢討。農曆年前呢?因為現在接下來其實很快,跨年、農曆年,這都是算是大節日。報告委員,我們隨時都在檢討,這第一點。第二點,剛剛在講的安全的問題,其實我們還要再跟業者\n\n9\n00:03:08,452 --> 00:03:32,767\n做更多的商討我所知道目前我們跟業者其實也有在討論對於我們的團客如果到了中國大陸去旅遊的時候他的人生的安全該怎麼保障那這個部分其實業者也有一些想法那我們目前還在統整大家的看法所以現在都是滾通檢討就是不設限但是對岸如果說已經有遞這個橄欖枝了我希望真的我們的觀光部門啊能夠好好的\n\n10\n00:03:33,507 --> 00:03:37,110\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部觀光品質並增加觀光品質並增加觀光品質並增加觀光品質\n\n11\n00:04:03,615 --> 00:04:26,463\n我們台灣幾乎是沒有玻璃瓶的飲水對不對那這樣子現在有沒有針對我們的所有的這一些飯店業者難怪人家會講是說如果說連國內住宿連水都沒有連一次性的備品都沒有網路上討論是說這樣出國理由更多了我們希望這樣子嗎是但我說以亞洲國家來講相對來講這樣子的限制是比較少的\n\n12\n00:04:31,297 --> 00:04:56,897\n之前有看到是歐洲國家比較多但我現在在講的是說我們飯店業者做好準備沒有?飯店業者做好準備了嗎?觀光旅宿業的部分我們有去宣導那觀光旅館的部分其實他們做的準備是相對比較足夠的那一般的旅館其實我們也拜託地方政府要幫忙去宣導要求他們一定要做到因為這個政策的制定當它制定下去大概就會強制性這樣下去推廣\n\n13\n00:04:58,418 --> 00:04:59,399\n那飯店必須要適應這樣一件事。\n\n14\n00:05:15,908 --> 00:05:41,376\n我講我們沒有是要處罰業者我們要的是說希望業者能夠配合政府一起來做這個限數那所以我現在講是說到底這兩個禮拜所有業者反應準備好了沒有這才是重點啊對但是有兩個層次一個是牙刷我用抽比較具體的舉例啦譬如說備品一次性的備品對他不再提供了那他可以放在櫃台\n\n15\n00:05:42,435 --> 00:05:48,997\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部觀光品質並增加觀光品質並增加觀光品質並增加觀光品質並增加\n\n16\n00:06:04,942 --> 00:06:32,255\n只是說我們希望能夠用鼓勵的跟國際的潮流是一樣的用玻璃瓶的方式能夠重複使用這個我們還會有補貼的計畫希望說飯店業者可以來配合我們國內有多少的玻璃瓶的業者或是說國內我們的消費習慣使用方式我們到最後是觀光署要去幫忙業者找玻璃瓶的飲用水是不是\n\n17\n00:06:33,386 --> 00:06:46,361\n這是一個世界的潮流所以大家慢慢的會推廣出來所以用玻璃瓶的方式是可以重複使用我們是叫做減速的目標這個沒有開罰我知道這我了解兩個部分嘛兩個層次嘛現在是你們講不清楚欸\n\n18\n00:06:53,149 --> 00:07:14,178\n主長、部長是你們講不清楚兩個部分你們講說180CC以下的備品是不能用的180以上所以說瓶裝水是沒有限制只是你們鼓勵說要用玻璃瓶或是增加飲用水那本席現在在請教的就是說兩個部分嘛你要讓業者好去購買玻璃瓶啊\n\n19\n00:07:15,259 --> 00:07:22,273\n好去購買玻璃瓶的廠商或說至少你的玻璃瓶的提供是方便的有辦法嗎?有溝通嗎?有跟經濟部來聯繫嗎?有沒有?\n\n20\n00:07:25,953 --> 00:07:52,446\n我們國人的消費習慣有用過玻璃瓶的飲用水嗎?我只問這一句。便利商店買得到嗎?飯店找得到嗎?你不能制定一個政策出來之後然後全都是你們在辦公室裡面想自己收自己丟然後跟我們國人的消費習慣完全不符合。這是環境部所提出來的政策我們配合那再來產業面的部分也不是觀光署做得到的跟委員報告。\n\n21\n00:07:53,186 --> 00:08:14,676\n但是你現在面臨到的全都是飯店業,為什麼本席今天會特別提出來,就是飯店業者很多跟本席來反應,就說今天交通部一個命令下來,環境部一個命令下來,然後結果交通部完全就當作是資深事外,你是主管機關,但是你真正讓飯店業者他們要自己去摸索。\n\n22\n00:08:15,757 --> 00:08:25,352\n然後飯店業者他們還講是擔心說那這樣子他都會有開罰輔導你們講輔導你們要補助你們要補貼結果完全沒有任何配套\n\n23\n00:08:26,391 --> 00:08:27,172\n因為很多飯店業者真的都在跟本席反映\n\n24\n00:08:52,173 --> 00:09:15,209\n都說這一個部分身為中央主管機關反而把他們放生一個部分是沒有讓有我們足夠的這個旅客市場能夠增加另外一個部分是當限制或是要求越來越多的時候但是中央主管機關好像沒有他的事情一樣我覺得最基本的媒合最基本的協助最基本的來\n\n25\n00:09:16,912 --> 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夠增加另外一個部分是當限制或是要求越來越多的時候但是中央主管機關好像沒有他的事情一樣我覺得最基本的媒合最基本的協助最基本的來\n鼓勵他們去做到這些事情都沒有辦法的時候我覺得沒有辦法接受給本席相關資料好不好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.762 --> 00:27.930\n好主席謝謝麻煩請陳世凱部長陳部長好部長好委員好部長我想今天早上很多委員都有關心說針對兩岸的旅遊的一個部分是面對現在上海主動有出席也釋放善意那台灣的進入團令進團令的部分你今天上午有回答是說會滾動檢討是不是是沒錯好\n\n00:29.611 --> 00:56.392\n我想請教一下到目前為止兩個部分第一從我們宣布說進團令6月30號開始到現在我們有沒有這些旅行社還是有做這個相關的組團前往中國大陸6月30之前組團6月30以後啦到現在網路上我們有沒有看到很多的旅行社其實有做這樣的一個安排還是有啦但是不多還是有嗎對所以那我們這邊有沒有找有相關的一個規範或說相關的一個處置了嗎\n\n00:59.159 --> 01:25.913\n我們的禁團令有嗎?對,委員提的是禁團令有,但是因為當初有一個3月到5月的開放。沒有啊,我現在講是說3月到5月之後啦,現在有沒有在賣?我們去查一下。不能公開,不能公開,不能公開,對啊。不能公開,大家都知道,就只有我們觀光署不知道。其實有嘛,要不要現在搜尋一下。\n\n01:27.608 --> 01:32.440\n本席致死之痛的立場都是認為說觀光是民眾市場\n\n01:33.700 --> 02:02.922\n大家喜歡去那個地方那個地方就是會活絡那你不要用政治意識形態干預對岸不應該台灣也不要我們都應該要開放的態度來去讓所有人喜歡的就來商機無限嘛之前是因為疫情所以飯店旅遊住宿觀光餐飲運輸海嘯第一排很可憐但現在疫情過後就好像只有台灣我們還活在這個疫情膠囊裡面我們還沒有回復\n\n02:04.043 --> 02:24.570\n所以之前講說今年要一千兩百萬沒有變一千萬沒有變七百五十萬沒有到最後七百萬結果本期看到連來台七百萬突破的觀光人士都可以做新聞啊說實在話你當初我們期待你做新聞是做一千兩百萬不是七百萬\n\n02:26.092 --> 02:46.437\n所以我想請教一下部長假設啦對岸現在真的能夠讓上海的民眾來到台灣那我們的這個淨團令真的可以讓國人也到中國大陸的時候是消費人身安全保障保險等等的都可以比較有一個名正言順契約\n\n02:48.860 --> 03:07.051\n什麼時候能夠檢討?報告委員,這滾動檢討其實就是代表隨時在檢討。農曆年前呢?因為現在接下來其實很快,跨年、農曆年,這都是算是大節日。報告委員,我們隨時都在檢討,這第一點。第二點,剛剛在講的安全的問題,其實我們還要再跟業者\n\n03:08.452 --> 03:32.767\n做更多的商討我所知道目前我們跟業者其實也有在討論對於我們的團客如果到了中國大陸去旅遊的時候他的人生的安全該怎麼保障那這個部分其實業者也有一些想法那我們目前還在統整大家的看法所以現在都是滾通檢討就是不設限但是對岸如果說已經有遞這個橄欖枝了我希望真的我們的觀光部門啊能夠好好的\n\n03:33.507 --> 03:37.110\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部觀光品質並增加觀光品質並增加觀光品質並增加觀光品質\n\n04:03.615 --> 04:26.463\n我們台灣幾乎是沒有玻璃瓶的飲水對不對那這樣子現在有沒有針對我們的所有的這一些飯店業者難怪人家會講是說如果說連國內住宿連水都沒有連一次性的備品都沒有網路上討論是說這樣出國理由更多了我們希望這樣子嗎是但我說以亞洲國家來講相對來講這樣子的限制是比較少的\n\n04:31.297 --> 04:56.897\n之前有看到是歐洲國家比較多但我現在在講的是說我們飯店業者做好準備沒有?飯店業者做好準備了嗎?觀光旅宿業的部分我們有去宣導那觀光旅館的部分其實他們做的準備是相對比較足夠的那一般的旅館其實我們也拜託地方政府要幫忙去宣導要求他們一定要做到因為這個政策的制定當它制定下去大概就會強制性這樣下去推廣\n\n04:58.418 --> 04:59.399\n那飯店必須要適應這樣一件事。\n\n05:15.908 --> 05:41.376\n我講我們沒有是要處罰業者我們要的是說希望業者能夠配合政府一起來做這個限數那所以我現在講是說到底這兩個禮拜所有業者反應準備好了沒有這才是重點啊對但是有兩個層次一個是牙刷我用抽比較具體的舉例啦譬如說備品一次性的備品對他不再提供了那他可以放在櫃台\n\n05:42.435 --> 05:48.997\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部觀光品質並增加觀光品質並增加觀光品質並增加觀光品質並增加\n\n06:04.942 --> 06:32.255\n只是說我們希望能夠用鼓勵的跟國際的潮流是一樣的用玻璃瓶的方式能夠重複使用這個我們還會有補貼的計畫希望說飯店業者可以來配合我們國內有多少的玻璃瓶的業者或是說國內我們的消費習慣使用方式我們到最後是觀光署要去幫忙業者找玻璃瓶的飲用水是不是\n\n06:33.386 --> 06:46.361\n這是一個世界的潮流所以大家慢慢的會推廣出來所以用玻璃瓶的方式是可以重複使用我們是叫做減速的目標這個沒有開罰我知道這我了解兩個部分嘛兩個層次嘛現在是你們講不清楚欸\n\n06:53.149 --> 07:14.178\n主長、部長是你們講不清楚兩個部分你們講說180CC以下的備品是不能用的180以上所以說瓶裝水是沒有限制只是你們鼓勵說要用玻璃瓶或是增加飲用水那本席現在在請教的就是說兩個部分嘛你要讓業者好去購買玻璃瓶啊\n\n07:15.259 --> 07:22.273\n好去購買玻璃瓶的廠商或說至少你的玻璃瓶的提供是方便的有辦法嗎?有溝通嗎?有跟經濟部來聯繫嗎?有沒有?\n\n07:25.953 --> 07:52.446\n我們國人的消費習慣有用過玻璃瓶的飲用水嗎?我只問這一句。便利商店買得到嗎?飯店找得到嗎?你不能制定一個政策出來之後然後全都是你們在辦公室裡面想自己收自己丟然後跟我們國人的消費習慣完全不符合。這是環境部所提出來的政策我們配合那再來產業面的部分也不是觀光署做得到的跟委員報告。\n\n07:53.186 --> 08:14.676\n但是你現在面臨到的全都是飯店業,為什麼本席今天會特別提出來,就是飯店業者很多跟本席來反應,就說今天交通部一個命令下來,環境部一個命令下來,然後結果交通部完全就當作是資深事外,你是主管機關,但是你真正讓飯店業者他們要自己去摸索。\n\n08:15.757 --> 08:25.352\n然後飯店業者他們還講是擔心說那這樣子他都會有開罰輔導你們講輔導你們要補助你們要補貼結果完全沒有任何配套\n\n08:26.391 --> 08:27.172\n因為很多飯店業者真的都在跟本席反映\n\n08:52.173 --> 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樣的限制是比較少的，之前有看到是歐洲國家比較多，但我現在在講的是，我們飯店業者做好準備沒有？飯店業者做好準備了嗎？"],["陳部長世凱：觀光旅宿業的部分我們有去宣導，觀光旅館的部分其實他們做的準備是相對比較足夠的，那一般的旅館其實我們也拜託地方政府要幫忙宣導，要求他們一定要做到。因為當這個政策制定下去，大概就會強制性推廣，飯店必須要適應這樣的機制。"],["洪委員孟楷：部長，你現在沒有聽懂我的話，現在只剩兩個禮拜了，明年1月1日是不是就開始就要實施了？"],["周署長永暉：沒錯，大概有兩個部分……"],["洪委員孟楷：我們會主動抽查？"],["周署長永暉：對。"],["洪委員孟楷：我們就會去檢查？那我們要做的事情並不是要處罰業者吧？"],["周署長永暉：對。"],["陳部長世凱：我們還會有補助。"],["洪委員孟楷：我們沒有要處罰業者，我們是希望業者能夠配合政府一起來做限塑，所以我現在講的是，只剩兩個禮拜，所有業者到底準備好了沒有？這才是重點啊！"],["周署長永暉：對，這沒有問題，但是有兩個層次，我用比較具體的舉例，譬如說一次性的備品，他不再提供，那他可以放在櫃台或者是去賣或送，都沒有特別……"],["陳部長世凱：就是不主動提供。"],["周署長永暉：對，不主動提供。"],["洪委員孟楷：不主動放在各房間，但是可以放在櫃台讓人家拿？"],["陳部長世凱：對，這大家可以做得到。"],["周署長永暉：對，第二個是您剛剛提的，我們還是一個勸導、輔導的過程，就是說儘量不要有塑膠瓶的礦泉水，這種事情並沒有開罰，只是說我們希望能夠用鼓勵的，跟國際的潮流是一樣的，用玻璃瓶的方式，能夠重複使用。"],["陳部長世凱：這個我們還會有補貼的計畫，希望飯店業者可以配合。"],["周署長永暉：對，其實我們想要慢慢推廣，其實觀光旅館的部分……"],["洪委員孟楷：我們國內有多少玻璃瓶的業者？或是說我們國內的消費習慣、使用方式，到最後是觀光署要去幫忙業者找玻璃瓶的飲用水是不是？"],["周署長永暉：這是一個世界的潮流，大家慢慢的會推廣出來，所以用玻璃瓶的方式是可以重複使用，我們是要達成減塑的目標，這個沒有開罰啦！"],["陳部長世凱：報告委員，另外，除了玻璃瓶，他還有飲水機……"],["洪委員孟楷：我知道，這我瞭解，兩個部分、兩個層次嘛！現在是你們講不清楚欸！"],["周署長永暉：謝謝委員提醒。"],["陳部長世凱：好，我們再說明更清楚一點。"],["洪委員孟楷：署長、部長，是你們講不清楚。兩個部分，你們說180cc以下的備品是不能用的，所以瓶裝水是沒有限制，只是你們鼓勵要用玻璃瓶或是增加飲水機。那本席現在請教的是，兩個部分嘛！你要讓業者好去購買玻璃瓶啊！或者至少你的玻璃瓶提供是方便的，有辦法嗎？有溝通嗎？有跟經濟部聯繫嗎？有沒有？我們國人的消費習慣，有用過玻璃瓶的飲用水嗎？我只問這一句，便利商店買得到嗎？飯店找得到嗎？你不能制訂一個政策出來之後，然後全都是你們在辦公室裡面自己想、自己覺得對，然後跟我們國人的消費習慣完全不符合。"],["陳部長世凱：這是對環境部所提出來的政策我們配合，再來產業面的部分，也不是觀光署做得到的。"],["洪委員孟楷：但是現在面臨到這個問題的全都是飯店業，為什麼本席今天會特別提出來，就是很多飯店業者跟本席反映，說今天環境部一個命令下來，結果交通部完全當作置身事外。你是主管機關，但是你讓飯店業者他們要自己去摸索，然後飯店業者他們還擔心這樣子會不會開罰、輔導？你們講輔導，你們說要補貼，結果完全沒有任何配套，這個才是重點。"],["陳部長世凱：有，輔導跟補貼不就是配套嗎？這就是配套啊！"],["洪委員孟楷：沒有啊！重點就在你們沒有輔導，你們沒有補貼啊！"],["周署長永暉：委員覺得頻率還不夠我們再加強，我們多做一些圖卡。"],["陳部長世凱：有輔導也會有補貼啦！都會有，謝謝委員指教，我們都會做。"],["洪委員孟楷：好，部長剛剛講有輔導、有補貼，請提供本席相關的資料。"],["陳部長世凱：好，這個都會做。"],["洪委員孟楷：因為很多飯店業者真的都在跟本席反映，都說這個部分身為中央主管機關，反而把他們放生。一個部分是沒有讓足夠的旅客市場能夠增加，另外一個部分是當限制或是要求越來越多的時候，中央主管機關好像沒有他的事情一樣。我覺得最基本的媒合、最基本的協助，最基本的鼓勵他們去做到這些事情，都沒有辦法的時候，我覺得沒有辦法接受。"],["陳部長世凱：好，這個我們來努力做。"],["洪委員孟楷：給本席相關資料，好不好？謝謝。"],["周署長永暉：好。"],["陳部長世凱：好，謝謝委員。"],["主席：謝謝洪委員，不過我覺得備品是真的可以省，可是如果是飲水，我知道你的意思，還不是外面的瓶裝水，就是飯店的水瓶上一個客人用光水了，下一個人再關上蓋子，我就問在座的各位敢不敢用？說真的，你一進去就一個開放性的容器repeat使用，不確定裝的是生水還是熟水，每一家飯店、民宿業者可能quality不一樣，我覺得這個要稍微謹慎一點。要不然像這個旅宿業者在每一層樓有冷熱飲水機，那個才是OK的，你知道嗎？不然我覺得會有一些旅客會擔心，所以你們要想一下。","接下來有請鄭天財委員發言。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":78,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-23-16","speakers":["魯明哲","李昆澤","許智傑","林國成","林俊憲","廖先翔","陳素月","翁曉玲","蔡其昌","何欣純","徐富癸","楊瓊瓔","王義川","洪孟楷","鄭天財Sra Kacaw","陳雪生","羅廷瑋","張啓楷","邱若華","游顥","黃珊珊","葉元之","黃健豪","羅智強"],"page_start":1,"meetingDate":["2024-12-18"],"gazette_id":"1141102","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1141102_00002"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會第16次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、邀請交通部部長陳世凱、交通部觀光署署長及桃園國際機場股份有限公司董事長就「如何提\n升過境及轉機旅客入境台灣觀光品質並增加觀光人數」進行專題報告，並備質詢；二、審查114\n年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部觀光署及所屬單位預算；三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案\n附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管交通作業基金─觀光發展基金分預算；四、審查114年\n度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分關於交通部主管中華郵政股份有限公司營業預算【僅\n進行詢答】","agenda_id":"1141102_00001"}}}