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00:02:55,872\n當然,如果說推廣觀光的部分是交通部很重要的責任,所以如果有需要到什麼地方去推廣觀光,我們都很願意去做。所以部長是願意復路來溝通這個政策?這個部分也要看兩岸的政治氣氛。你知道過去來講的話,這個部長去中國大陸復路來做這個政策的溝通,你有印象嗎?\n\n8\n00:02:57,116 --> 00:03:23,273\n我之前是沒有印象。其實是有的。包括在羅英雪法國部長也親赴大陸曾經溝通過這個公共打擊犯罪的這個部分。那所以部長如果可以的話,你看這個往前這個包括陳菊,還包括賴清德總統,還包括謝長迪,還包括蔡英文整,他們都曾經俘虜過。那你有去過中國大陸嗎?我以前有去過。有去過哪些城市?\n\n9\n00:03:26,311 --> 00:03:47,442\n廣東、上海。上海。那所以說在這次雙城論壇的部分,那像他們這次所提到的之後會來台灣旅遊的部分,那交通部這邊有準備好了嗎?其實台灣一直都很歡迎所有的觀光客來台灣,都有準備。好,那直接問這個,那剛才許多維也提到這個禁團令,\n\n10\n00:03:48,522 --> 00:04:05,079\n那其實中央雖然短暫的這個兩個月的這個開放但是事實上以這個疫情期間前這個進團令到現在差不多是四年十個月了那預計什麼時候可以打開這個進團令報告委員這個部分我們滾動在檢討啦但是沒有一個預定的時間\n\n11\n00:04:06,420 --> 00:04:29,295\n因為目前大家雖然今天在討論是說對岸也有準備要開放團客來台灣的部分但也都還沒有定案所以我現在也沒有辦法很確定的跟委員報告那滾動檢討其實本席就是要針對滾動檢討這個部分那在親親的講法在之前的報導上或是像今天的回應上其實大家都聽的都是差不多的內容\n\n12\n00:04:29,955 --> 00:04:51,731\n那這個部分是等於是透過一個媒體去做呼籲但是本席要直接就交部長那在今年那曾經與陸委會主委或是國安會秘書長還曾經針對這個淨團令的這個議題還交通部部長這邊從你接任到現在有沒有主動提出或是主動針對這個議題實際討論過我們有交換過意見那交換過意見在什麼時候什麼樣的一個會議上\n\n13\n00:04:59,843 --> 00:05:20,577\n參會不算喔?不是參會啦。對。正式的會議其實有一兩次。那是一個什麼樣的會議?就是我跟陸委會主委約碰面的。那我們有很多議題在討論。這是其中一項。不只是這個議題,那這是其中一項。那本期是要表示啦,就是說\n\n14\n00:05:22,578 --> 00:05:51,144\n這個進團令、線團令其實像剛才洪孟凱委員所提到其實許多的旅行業者包括相關民宿業者他們其實還是會需要這個兩岸去做一個正常的交流那如果說今天線團令、進團令的部分他還是停在一個沒有辦法實際上有共識、有進展的一個情況那這個議題等同於就是一直不會開放當然說這個問題也不是出在於這個部長您啦\n\n15\n00:05:51,604 --> 00:06:21,184\n但是我是在想如果今天來講有心有意要為了這個我國的台灣的這個包括旅遊觀光的部分能夠來去做提升的話那其實是需要實質討論的那陸委會或是包括國安會秘書長也有針對這個部分你有跟他討論過嗎?我們碰面的時候有講到這件事那他們有在兩岸的各種管道上有實際上要來討論或是釋出三個問題嗎?除了媒體放話之外\n\n16\n00:06:22,145 --> 00:06:29,712\n這個我就不曉得。他們怎麼溝通我是不太清楚。所以你等於是表達了他還希望解除淨產率的一個看法嗎?\n\n17\n00:06:30,746 --> 00:06:52,759\n我們當然希望促進觀光啦,在觀光的部分我們希望能夠那切入的角度的話是表達希望能夠解除這個淨團令嗎?也是在了解啦,也是在了解說目前的狀況底下那因為本席還是要表達的是說,交通部的立場應該是希望來解除這個淨團令才對啦,當然應該責任不在你。\n\n18\n00:06:53,519 --> 00:07:13,656\n那如果說今天來講你表達了這個立場如果說是第一要先確定是明確的你是表達這個立場沒錯嗎我希望整個那個觀光能夠更多的人所以說你要提出這個需求那他們才要去陸委會去做溝通啊我們都有提出這樣的檢討對所以說你是有提出檢討希望檢測進團令嗎\n\n19\n00:07:15,984 --> 00:07:20,209\n所以說那這都是對的那我們來看一下數據在馬英九執政時期的時候來台的人數幾乎的話都是兩三百萬人所以到四百萬人\n\n20\n00:07:32,344 --> 00:07:52,726\n那所以說今天來講這個真的是無解啊那如果說今天你要把達這個立場你是要先站在是希望能夠檢讀這個淨團令還能讓兩岸之間就有一個正常的交流還正常的觀光旅遊那陸委會他要適度的來去直接的去溝通這個議題啊那你知道陸委會主委有沒有實際上在溝通這個議題\n\n21\n00:07:53,847 --> 00:07:54,408\n除了媒體之外,\n\n22\n00:08:09,358 --> 00:08:23,173\n這個我不知道他們有什麼管道。好啦那本期還是要提出啊其實像以前你看到剛才的這個圖啊不管是陳菊、賴清德總統曾經去那個中國大陸去做交流互訪那如果說這個問題來講\n\n23\n00:08:24,795 --> 00:08:49,462\n停留在媒體上面提說要對岸怎麼樣台灣這邊怎麼樣那如果這邊不主動出擊的話那我想這個問題就無解了那在明年要達到的來台的這個目標那我相信的話其實還是困難重重那最後就是在這個來台的部分等一下直接就叫一下署長這個是不是包含來台的人數這個700萬人也會包含移工的數據在裡面\n\n24\n00:08:54,064 --> 00:09:01,537\n當然沒有。只要停留台灣超過90天,我們就不列入來台數。\n\n25\n00:09:03,311 --> 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夠更多的人所以說你要提出這個需求那他們才要去陸委會去做溝通啊我們都有提出這樣的檢討對所以說你是有提出檢討希望檢測進團令嗎\n所以說那這都是對的那我們來看一下數據在馬英九執政時期的時候來台的人數幾乎的話都是兩三百萬人所以到四百萬人\n那所以說今天來講這個真的是無解啊那如果說今天你要把達這個立場你是要先站在是希望能夠檢讀這個淨團令還能讓兩岸之間就有一個正常的交流還正常的觀光旅遊那陸委會他要適度的來去直接的去溝通這個議題啊那你知道陸委會主委有沒有實際上在溝通這個議題\n除了媒體之外,\n這個我不知道他們有什麼管道。好啦那本期還是要提出啊其實像以前你看到剛才的這個圖啊不管是陳菊、賴清德總統曾經去那個中國大陸去做交流互訪那如果說這個問題來講\n停留在媒體上面提說要對岸怎麼樣台灣這邊怎麼樣那如果這邊不主動出擊的話那我想這個問題就無解了那在明年要達到的來台的這個目標那我相信的話其實還是困難重重那最後就是在這個來台的部分等一下直接就叫一下署長這個是不是包含來台的人數這個700萬人也會包含移工的數據在裡面\n當然沒有。只要停留台灣超過90天,我們就不列入來台數。\n好那沒關係那本席這邊所收到的消息啊還是東南亞的移工來台的部分他涵蓋在目前的這個數據裡面那絕對沒有絕對沒有絕對沒有好OK那沒關係那大致上如果有的話大約目前是七十幾萬到八十幾萬的這個移台移工在台人數那其中有一萬人口左右是本席這邊收到的消息那本席還是會後再跟你討論好了好好謝謝謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:16.356 --> 00:17.100\n謝謝趙偉,有請部長。好,陳部長。\n\n00:24.898 --> 00:31.661\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部觀光品質並增加觀光品質並增加觀光品質並增加\n\n00:48.027 --> 01:14.317\n就是國民黨智庫國中基金會所提供的一個建議書、建言書那現在是12月18號那想請教一下那時候所提供的這個建議書那你看完之後你覺得有什麼部分你會來去做一個改進或是在觀光的部分策略上提供一個簡短的一個具體回應報告委員所提到的這個觀光資源整合不足的部分我們最近也都在做檢討跟觀光署都有在做檢討\n\n01:15.377 --> 01:43.596\n數位技術應用不足的部分其實目前正在努力推進當中不過還是不夠還是不夠這個我們會繼續做那國際宣傳的力道這個跟預算當然也有關係但我們現在宣傳的方向可能會稍稍做調整例如說有很多委員在建議就是有一些網紅啦或者是一些有流量的一些藝人等等之類的可能會比更大型的這些宣傳效果還好一點點那我們的比例上可能也會來做調整\n\n01:44.096 --> 02:07.765\n那法規的部分我們有應該也會來做檢討如果尤其是業者如果有反映業者或者是相關工協會有來反映說哪些法規跟不上時代了該修我們會來修那本期還是希望針對這個五大觀光挑戰那如果說都已經有做一個充分檢討的話是不是就提供給本委員會還有一份書面資料針對這五題的一個一個具體的一個內容\n\n02:10.526 --> 02:30.933\n接下來本席還是要針對雙城論壇的部分那像未來的話部長你有沒有可能有考慮為了我們的台灣的觀光產業還來傾覆大陸一攤來談是不是如何能夠來做這個兩邊就邀請這個大陸人也可以來台灣做觀光旅遊\n\n02:32.229 --> 02:55.872\n當然,如果說推廣觀光的部分是交通部很重要的責任,所以如果有需要到什麼地方去推廣觀光,我們都很願意去做。所以部長是願意復路來溝通這個政策?這個部分也要看兩岸的政治氣氛。你知道過去來講的話,這個部長去中國大陸復路來做這個政策的溝通,你有印象嗎?\n\n02:57.116 --> 03:23.273\n我之前是沒有印象。其實是有的。包括在羅英雪法國部長也親赴大陸曾經溝通過這個公共打擊犯罪的這個部分。那所以部長如果可以的話,你看這個往前這個包括陳菊,還包括賴清德總統,還包括謝長迪,還包括蔡英文整,他們都曾經俘虜過。那你有去過中國大陸嗎?我以前有去過。有去過哪些城市?\n\n03:26.311 --> 03:47.442\n廣東、上海。上海。那所以說在這次雙城論壇的部分,那像他們這次所提到的之後會來台灣旅遊的部分,那交通部這邊有準備好了嗎?其實台灣一直都很歡迎所有的觀光客來台灣,都有準備。好,那直接問這個,那剛才許多維也提到這個禁團令,\n\n03:48.522 --> 04:05.079\n那其實中央雖然短暫的這個兩個月的這個開放但是事實上以這個疫情期間前這個進團令到現在差不多是四年十個月了那預計什麼時候可以打開這個進團令報告委員這個部分我們滾動在檢討啦但是沒有一個預定的時間\n\n04:06.420 --> 04:29.295\n因為目前大家雖然今天在討論是說對岸也有準備要開放團客來台灣的部分但也都還沒有定案所以我現在也沒有辦法很確定的跟委員報告那滾動檢討其實本席就是要針對滾動檢討這個部分那在親親的講法在之前的報導上或是像今天的回應上其實大家都聽的都是差不多的內容\n\n04:29.955 --> 04:51.731\n那這個部分是等於是透過一個媒體去做呼籲但是本席要直接就交部長那在今年那曾經與陸委會主委或是國安會秘書長還曾經針對這個淨團令的這個議題還交通部部長這邊從你接任到現在有沒有主動提出或是主動針對這個議題實際討論過我們有交換過意見那交換過意見在什麼時候什麼樣的一個會議上\n\n04:59.843 --> 05:20.577\n參會不算喔?不是參會啦。對。正式的會議其實有一兩次。那是一個什麼樣的會議?就是我跟陸委會主委約碰面的。那我們有很多議題在討論。這是其中一項。不只是這個議題,那這是其中一項。那本期是要表示啦,就是說\n\n05:22.578 --> 05:51.144\n這個進團令、線團令其實像剛才洪孟凱委員所提到其實許多的旅行業者包括相關民宿業者他們其實還是會需要這個兩岸去做一個正常的交流那如果說今天線團令、進團令的部分他還是停在一個沒有辦法實際上有共識、有進展的一個情況那這個議題等同於就是一直不會開放當然說這個問題也不是出在於這個部長您啦\n\n05:51.604 --> 06:21.184\n但是我是在想如果今天來講有心有意要為了這個我國的台灣的這個包括旅遊觀光的部分能夠來去做提升的話那其實是需要實質討論的那陸委會或是包括國安會秘書長也有針對這個部分你有跟他討論過嗎?我們碰面的時候有講到這件事那他們有在兩岸的各種管道上有實際上要來討論或是釋出三個問題嗎?除了媒體放話之外\n\n06:22.145 --> 06:29.712\n這個我就不曉得。他們怎麼溝通我是不太清楚。所以你等於是表達了他還希望解除淨產率的一個看法嗎?\n\n06:30.746 --> 06:52.759\n我們當然希望促進觀光啦,在觀光的部分我們希望能夠那切入的角度的話是表達希望能夠解除這個淨團令嗎?也是在了解啦,也是在了解說目前的狀況底下那因為本席還是要表達的是說,交通部的立場應該是希望來解除這個淨團令才對啦,當然應該責任不在你。\n\n06:53.519 --> 07:13.656\n那如果說今天來講你表達了這個立場如果說是第一要先確定是明確的你是表達這個立場沒錯嗎我希望整個那個觀光能夠更多的人所以說你要提出這個需求那他們才要去陸委會去做溝通啊我們都有提出這樣的檢討對所以說你是有提出檢討希望檢測進團令嗎\n\n07:15.984 --> 07:20.209\n所以說那這都是對的那我們來看一下數據在馬英九執政時期的時候來台的人數幾乎的話都是兩三百萬人所以到四百萬人\n\n07:32.344 --> 07:52.726\n那所以說今天來講這個真的是無解啊那如果說今天你要把達這個立場你是要先站在是希望能夠檢讀這個淨團令還能讓兩岸之間就有一個正常的交流還正常的觀光旅遊那陸委會他要適度的來去直接的去溝通這個議題啊那你知道陸委會主委有沒有實際上在溝通這個議題\n\n07:53.847 --> 07:54.408\n除了媒體之外,\n\n08:09.358 --> 08:23.173\n這個我不知道他們有什麼管道。好啦那本期還是要提出啊其實像以前你看到剛才的這個圖啊不管是陳菊、賴清德總統曾經去那個中國大陸去做交流互訪那如果說這個問題來講\n\n08:24.795 --> 08:49.462\n停留在媒體上面提說要對岸怎麼樣台灣這邊怎麼樣那如果這邊不主動出擊的話那我想這個問題就無解了那在明年要達到的來台的這個目標那我相信的話其實還是困難重重那最後就是在這個來台的部分等一下直接就叫一下署長這個是不是包含來台的人數這個700萬人也會包含移工的數據在裡面\n\n08:54.064 --> 09:01.537\n當然沒有。只要停留台灣超過90天,我們就不列入來台數。\n\n09:03.311 --> 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本席就是要針對滾動檢討這個部分，相關講法在之前的報導上，或是在今天的回應上，其實大家聽到的都是差不多的內容，這個部分等於透過一個媒體去呼籲，但是本席要直接就教部長，今年有曾經與陸委會主委或是國安會秘書長針對禁團令這個議題，還有交通部部長這邊，從你就任到現在有沒有主動提出或是主動針對這個議題實際討論過？"],["陳部長世凱：有，我們有交換過意見。"],["游委員顥：交換意見在什麼時候、什麼樣的一個會議上？餐會不算喔！"],["陳部長世凱：不是餐會，正式的會議其實有一、兩次。"],["游委員顥：那是一個什麼樣的會議？"],["陳部長世凱：就是我跟陸委會主委約碰面的……"],["游委員顥：那時候陸委會……"],["陳部長世凱：我們有很多議題在討論。"],["游委員顥：這是其中一項？"],["陳部長世凱：不只是這個議題，這是其中一項。"],["游委員顥：本席是要表示，這個禁團令、限團令，像剛才洪孟楷委員所提到，許多旅行業者，包括相關民宿業者，他們還是會需要兩岸去做一個正常的交流，如果說今天限團令、禁團令的部分，它還是停在一個沒辦法實際上有共識、有進展的情況，這個議題等同於一直不會開放。當然這個問題也不是出在於部長您，但我是在想，如果今天有心、有意為了我國臺灣，包括旅遊、觀光的部分能夠提升的話，其實是需要實質討論的。陸委會，包括國安會秘書長，你也有針對這個部分跟他討論過嗎？"],["陳部長世凱：我們碰面的時候有講到……"],["游委員顥：他們在兩岸的各種管道上，有實際上要來討論，或是釋出善意的問題嗎？除了媒體放話之外。"],["陳部長世凱：這個我就不曉得，他們怎麼溝通我是不太清楚。"],["游委員顥：所以你等於是表達了希望解除禁團令的看法嘛？"],["陳部長世凱：我們當然希望促進觀光，在觀光的部分，我們希望能夠……"],["游委員顥：切入的角度是表達希望能夠解除這個禁團令嗎？"],["陳部長世凱：也是在了解啦！也是在了解在目前的狀況底下，國安單位對這件事情的看法是怎麼樣，我們還在了解。"],["游委員顥：本席還是要表達，交通部的立場應該是希望解除這個禁團令才對，當然應該責任不在你，如果今天你表達了這個立場，第一要先確定是明確的，你是表達這個立場沒錯嘛？"],["陳部長世凱：我希望整個觀光能夠有更多的人，包含他們來這邊、包含我們過去。"],["游委員顥：所以你要提出這個需求，陸委會才要去溝通啊！"],["陳部長世凱：我們都有提出這樣的檢討。"],["游委員顥：對，所以你是有提出這樣的檢討，希望解除禁團令嘛？"],["陳部長世凱：沒有說一定要解除禁團令，我們是希望對岸可不可以趕快解除他們的禁團令，我們比較希望是這樣。"],["游委員顥：所以這都是對等的。那我們來看一下數據，在馬英九執政時期，來臺的人數幾乎都是兩、三百萬人，甚至到400萬人。"],["陳部長世凱：是。"],["游委員顥：所以今天來講，這個真的是無解，如果今天你要表達這個立場，你是要先站在希望能夠解除這個禁團令，還有讓兩岸之間有一個正常的交流、還有正常的觀光旅遊，陸委會要適度的直接去溝通這個議題，那你知道陸委會主委有沒有實際上在溝通這個議題？"],["陳部長世凱：這個我還真的是不曉得。"],["游委員顥：不曉得嗎？"],["陳部長世凱：不曉得。"],["游委員顥：所以說交通部表達立場，但是陸委會主委卻沒有溝通這個議題嘛？"],["陳部長世凱：或許有啦，但是這個部分進展到什麼情況，我們不曉得。"],["游委員顥：如果有的話，因為這個議題重要，他要透過什麼樣的管道，除了媒體之外？"],["陳部長世凱：這個我不知道他們有什麼管道，或是海基會有什麼管道我不知道……"],["游委員顥：好啦！本席還是要提出，像你剛才看到這個圖，以前不管是陳菊或賴清德總統，都曾經去中國大陸交流互訪，如果以這個問題來講，停留在媒體上面說要對岸怎麼樣，臺灣這邊怎麼樣，但如果這邊不主動出擊的話，這個問題就無解！在明年要達到的來臺目標，我相信其實還是困難重重。最後，在來臺的部分，我們等一下直接就教署長，這個部分來臺的人數這700萬人有沒有包含移工的數據在裡面？"],["周署長永暉：當然沒有。只要停留臺灣超過90天，我們就不列入來臺數。"],["游委員顥：好，沒關係！本席這邊所收到的消息是東南亞移工來臺的部分涵蓋在目前這個數據裡面。"],["周署長永暉：絕對沒有。"],["游委員顥：絕對沒有？"],["周署長永暉：絕對沒有。"],["游委員顥：OK！那沒有關係。如果有的話，目前大約是七十幾萬到八十幾萬的移工人數在臺，其中有1萬人口左右是本席這邊收到的消息，本席還是會後再跟你討論好了，謝謝。"],["周署長永暉：好。"],["陳部長世凱：謝謝委員。"],["主席：謝謝游委員，接下來有請黃珊珊委員發言。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":78,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-23-16","speakers":["魯明哲","李昆澤","許智傑","林國成","林俊憲","廖先翔","陳素月","翁曉玲","蔡其昌","何欣純","徐富癸","楊瓊瓔","王義川","洪孟楷","鄭天財Sra Kacaw","陳雪生","羅廷瑋","張啓楷","邱若華","游顥","黃珊珊","葉元之","黃健豪","羅智強"],"page_start":1,"meetingDate":["2024-12-18"],"gazette_id":"1141102","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1141102_00002"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會第16次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、邀請交通部部長陳世凱、交通部觀光署署長及桃園國際機場股份有限公司董事長就「如何提\n升過境及轉機旅客入境台灣觀光品質並增加觀光人數」進行專題報告，並備質詢；二、審查114\n年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部觀光署及所屬單位預算；三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案\n附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管交通作業基金─觀光發展基金分預算；四、審查114年\n度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分關於交通部主管中華郵政股份有限公司營業預算【僅\n進行詢答】","agenda_id":"1141102_00001"}}}