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00:00:03,059\n陳部長、周署長。\n\n2\n00:00:13,576 --> 00:00:41,806\n是部長部長我想今天大家都很關心觀光的事情喔那昨天還聽到了雙城他們說上回上海會先開放團客那我也看到你的回應是他們全面開放團客我們才考慮把我們的禁團令給討論是當然希望他可以全面解除啦不要只有開上海這樣沒錯我們歡迎所有的人不管是誰禁團令的部分其實我們希望中國不要有禁團令也不要禁止他們的自由行來到台灣\n\n3\n00:00:42,606 --> 00:01:02,547\n好,所以你明年的預計的旅客人數還是樂觀的一千萬嗎?很多人說這樣不夠樂觀,但我覺得我們今年沒有達到的目標我們明年要達到。現在已經達到疫情前大概六成左右,其實還有很大的成長空間吧?\n\n4\n00:01:03,838 --> 00:01:27,861\n對,我們基本上因為這樣算起來我們大概可以超過750萬。所以我問的是您這1000萬有沒有包括大陸的旅客?陸港澳的部分本來都含在裡面。含在裡面,所以要有陸港澳你才有1000萬,對吧?它的比例問題了。我簡單問一下署長,我們到底今年我們組織了多少次的海外旅展還有觀光的推廣活動?\n\n5\n00:01:29,003 --> 00:01:44,163\n我們觀光推廣活動是不同市場,那旅展的話有幾場?觀光協會說一年大概24場,對不對?對,那是我們委託TVA做的,還有一些不是委託他的。好,那大概幾場?\n\n6\n00:01:45,725 --> 00:01:48,186\n關光多媒體資料庫網站開放資料給全世界來看。\n\n7\n00:02:01,511 --> 00:02:25,733\n因為我們剛剛講旅展是實體的要花很多錢去外面辦但是數位化是很重要的把台灣的所有的觀光資源包括節慶觀光的業者還有景點資料我們都在這個網站上對嗎對包括年曆包括22個縣市政府的主要活動部長你有看過這個網站嗎這個網站我還沒有看過你沒看過好應該要把這些資源變成規格化數位化還有國際化的資料是\n\n8\n00:02:28,579 --> 00:02:41,500\n這個問題是我想問一下署長這個網站有在你的海外旅展上面做過推廣嗎?我們在海外是單一市場有沒有推廣過這個網站在你的各式各樣的旅展推廣活動上?\n\n9\n00:02:42,813 --> 00:02:44,014\n現在的問題是觀光多媒體資料庫要進行國際化宣傳。我們上去看了。\n\n10\n00:03:09,808 --> 00:03:20,224\n裡面的相關的觀光遊戲主題的業者資料英文的多少?英文的部分都有齊全嗎?業者資料有沒有?\n\n11\n00:03:22,551 --> 00:03:47,387\n就網頁的部分我們在對我們在了解一下新南向的相關的資源他有翻譯成新南向的語言版本嗎也沒有也就是部長我要說的是我們有網站我們有資料開放最有趣的是部長可能要今天諮詢完你看一看因為連審計部都看不下去\n\n12\n00:03:48,635 --> 00:04:12,471\n台灣觀光資料庫資訊資料庫查核報告裡面說這些觀光多媒體資料有92%的資料沒有得到相關單位的授權所以沒有辦法開放一般使用者查詢、瀏覽而且有非常多的缺失也就是說你做了一個網站有很多的資料不能被查詢不能被瀏覽請問你做這個網站幹嘛\n\n13\n00:04:14,252 --> 00:04:30,426\n二、台灣這麼多景點的資料在一個網站上不能被查詢不能被瀏覽還被審計部糾正這個網站是做來幹嘛這是第二個他們說已經改善了但是我們再去看裡面的英文網站還是沒有任何相關\n\n14\n00:04:31,727 --> 00:04:58,063\n所謂的觀光遊戲主題的相關業者資料所以部長你今天看一看吧好如果這個這麼重要的數位化我們是一個智慧台灣的國家我們竟然把這些這麼重要的資料竟然是查不到是最後我還再講一下我們有數發布不是嗎是相關的行銷資料你們做不到可能要請人家幫忙吧最重要的是我們有沒有辦法\n\n15\n00:04:59,864 --> 00:05:25,616\n讓國外的觀光客、國外的業者看到合法、可信還有高品質的相關資料庫。現在問題是,我們那個平台完全...你在充實,但是國外的人查不到你這資料庫108年,現在113年。五年,當時我相信在疫情的時候這很重要,現在可能又覺得不重要了,但是部長,\n\n16\n00:05:26,656 --> 00:05:53,030\n這件事情我覺得非常簡單就是如果我們要建立一個平台因為現在的民眾自己上去找資料找訂房你知道這裡面資料庫裡面還有一個網站叫做旅宿網部長知道嗎?對這個我知道旅宿網如果上去我剛剛上去查了很久我想查去日月潭的飯店我怎麼查都給我的回答是搜尋結果是零\n\n17\n00:05:54,670 --> 00:05:58,953\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部觀光品質並增加觀光品質並增加觀光品質\n\n18\n00:06:17,225 --> 00:06:33,081\n而且是我們的觀光景點資料庫竟然沒有對外的這些英文的相關的Promote我實在不知道我們開放這個資料要幹嘛最後要給部長一個建議啦因為現在的法國他們是輔導所謂的旅遊新創業者他們來由新創業來做一個所謂的同業採購資訊平台\n\n19\n00:06:39,938 --> 00:06:53,502\n其實是讓業者找到我們的資料。業者,國外的業者找到台灣的業者。國外的業者找到我們所有的data,他可以直接透過相關的平台,我們可以直接聯繫,減少所謂中間轉介的費用。\n\n20\n00:06:56,303 --> 00:07:18,449\n就像現在民眾會透過這些國際網站去訂房一樣省掉了那些所謂的轉接費用所以部長你去看一看法國做得很好法國的觀光應該是全世界最強的吧好不好然後我們台灣如果號稱數位產業智慧台灣這個網站我只能跟你說不及格到極點\n\n21\n00:07:20,265 --> 00:07:32,555\n我們台灣人尤其是我們看的最好笑的是這個網站的瀏覽率不到觀光署的官網的十分之一也就是我去看官網的人還比看這個網站的人多十倍\n\n22\n00:07:35,093 --> 00:07:56,587\n這個資源不是做得不夠好根本沒有人要上去查因為第一不友善第二沒資料第三功能上面就像剛剛署長說的我們不知道在提供什麼最重要的是如果透過數位你沒有相關國外的英文或其他的語言的話你乾脆不要設好了這是哪門子的資料庫\n\n23\n00:07:57,568 --> 00:07:58,809\n第二、隨便一個新創業者做的網站都會比你好。\n\n24\n00:08:22,629 --> 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--> 00:03.059\n陳部長、周署長。\n\n00:13.576 --> 00:41.806\n是部長部長我想今天大家都很關心觀光的事情喔那昨天還聽到了雙城他們說上回上海會先開放團客那我也看到你的回應是他們全面開放團客我們才考慮把我們的禁團令給討論是當然希望他可以全面解除啦不要只有開上海這樣沒錯我們歡迎所有的人不管是誰禁團令的部分其實我們希望中國不要有禁團令也不要禁止他們的自由行來到台灣\n\n00:42.606 --> 01:02.547\n好,所以你明年的預計的旅客人數還是樂觀的一千萬嗎?很多人說這樣不夠樂觀,但我覺得我們今年沒有達到的目標我們明年要達到。現在已經達到疫情前大概六成左右,其實還有很大的成長空間吧?\n\n01:03.838 --> 01:27.861\n對,我們基本上因為這樣算起來我們大概可以超過750萬。所以我問的是您這1000萬有沒有包括大陸的旅客?陸港澳的部分本來都含在裡面。含在裡面,所以要有陸港澳你才有1000萬,對吧?它的比例問題了。我簡單問一下署長,我們到底今年我們組織了多少次的海外旅展還有觀光的推廣活動?\n\n01:29.003 --> 01:44.163\n我們觀光推廣活動是不同市場,那旅展的話有幾場?觀光協會說一年大概24場,對不對?對,那是我們委託TVA做的,還有一些不是委託他的。好,那大概幾場?\n\n01:45.725 --> 01:48.186\n關光多媒體資料庫網站開放資料給全世界來看。\n\n02:01.511 --> 02:25.733\n因為我們剛剛講旅展是實體的要花很多錢去外面辦但是數位化是很重要的把台灣的所有的觀光資源包括節慶觀光的業者還有景點資料我們都在這個網站上對嗎對包括年曆包括22個縣市政府的主要活動部長你有看過這個網站嗎這個網站我還沒有看過你沒看過好應該要把這些資源變成規格化數位化還有國際化的資料是\n\n02:28.579 --> 02:41.500\n這個問題是我想問一下署長這個網站有在你的海外旅展上面做過推廣嗎?我們在海外是單一市場有沒有推廣過這個網站在你的各式各樣的旅展推廣活動上?\n\n02:42.813 --> 02:44.014\n現在的問題是觀光多媒體資料庫要進行國際化宣傳。我們上去看了。\n\n03:09.808 --> 03:20.224\n裡面的相關的觀光遊戲主題的業者資料英文的多少?英文的部分都有齊全嗎?業者資料有沒有?\n\n03:22.551 --> 03:47.387\n就網頁的部分我們在對我們在了解一下新南向的相關的資源他有翻譯成新南向的語言版本嗎也沒有也就是部長我要說的是我們有網站我們有資料開放最有趣的是部長可能要今天諮詢完你看一看因為連審計部都看不下去\n\n03:48.635 --> 04:12.471\n台灣觀光資料庫資訊資料庫查核報告裡面說這些觀光多媒體資料有92%的資料沒有得到相關單位的授權所以沒有辦法開放一般使用者查詢、瀏覽而且有非常多的缺失也就是說你做了一個網站有很多的資料不能被查詢不能被瀏覽請問你做這個網站幹嘛\n\n04:14.252 --> 04:30.426\n二、台灣這麼多景點的資料在一個網站上不能被查詢不能被瀏覽還被審計部糾正這個網站是做來幹嘛這是第二個他們說已經改善了但是我們再去看裡面的英文網站還是沒有任何相關\n\n04:31.727 --> 04:58.063\n所謂的觀光遊戲主題的相關業者資料所以部長你今天看一看吧好如果這個這麼重要的數位化我們是一個智慧台灣的國家我們竟然把這些這麼重要的資料竟然是查不到是最後我還再講一下我們有數發布不是嗎是相關的行銷資料你們做不到可能要請人家幫忙吧最重要的是我們有沒有辦法\n\n04:59.864 --> 05:25.616\n讓國外的觀光客、國外的業者看到合法、可信還有高品質的相關資料庫。現在問題是,我們那個平台完全...你在充實,但是國外的人查不到你這資料庫108年,現在113年。五年,當時我相信在疫情的時候這很重要,現在可能又覺得不重要了,但是部長,\n\n05:26.656 --> 05:53.030\n這件事情我覺得非常簡單就是如果我們要建立一個平台因為現在的民眾自己上去找資料找訂房你知道這裡面資料庫裡面還有一個網站叫做旅宿網部長知道嗎?對這個我知道旅宿網如果上去我剛剛上去查了很久我想查去日月潭的飯店我怎麼查都給我的回答是搜尋結果是零\n\n05:54.670 --> 05:58.953\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部觀光品質並增加觀光品質並增加觀光品質\n\n06:17.225 --> 06:33.081\n而且是我們的觀光景點資料庫竟然沒有對外的這些英文的相關的Promote我實在不知道我們開放這個資料要幹嘛最後要給部長一個建議啦因為現在的法國他們是輔導所謂的旅遊新創業者他們來由新創業來做一個所謂的同業採購資訊平台\n\n06:39.938 --> 06:53.502\n其實是讓業者找到我們的資料。業者,國外的業者找到台灣的業者。國外的業者找到我們所有的data,他可以直接透過相關的平台,我們可以直接聯繫,減少所謂中間轉介的費用。\n\n06:56.303 --> 07:18.449\n就像現在民眾會透過這些國際網站去訂房一樣省掉了那些所謂的轉接費用所以部長你去看一看法國做得很好法國的觀光應該是全世界最強的吧好不好然後我們台灣如果號稱數位產業智慧台灣這個網站我只能跟你說不及格到極點\n\n07:20.265 --> 07:32.555\n我們台灣人尤其是我們看的最好笑的是這個網站的瀏覽率不到觀光署的官網的十分之一也就是我去看官網的人還比看這個網站的人多十倍\n\n07:35.093 --> 07:56.587\n這個資源不是做得不夠好根本沒有人要上去查因為第一不友善第二沒資料第三功能上面就像剛剛署長說的我們不知道在提供什麼最重要的是如果透過數位你沒有相關國外的英文或其他的語言的話你乾脆不要設好了這是哪門子的資料庫\n\n07:57.568 --> 07:58.809\n第二、隨便一個新創業者做的網站都會比你好。\n\n08:22.629 --> 08:46.689\n最重要是現在請部長去查一下觀光署跟委外建制維護的所有的系統我希望看到你的成果報告我們所有的辦事處也都有獨立的也都有但是沒有整合不好使用或者是對台灣所有的東西data並沒有完善的放在裡面那真的還不如一個國際網站是好不好部長上去看一看語速網跟這個資料庫\n\n08:48.274 --> 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第二個。"],["陳部長世凱：是。"],["黃委員珊珊：他們說已經改善了，但是我們再去看，裡面的英文網站還是沒有任何所謂的觀光遊憩主題相關業者資料。所以，部長，你今天看一看吧！"],["陳部長世凱：好。"],["黃委員珊珊：如果這個這麼重要的數位化，我們是一個智慧臺灣的國家，這些這麼重要的資料竟然是查不到。最後我還要再講一下，我們有數發部不是嗎？相關的行銷資料你們做不到，可能要請人家幫忙吧！最重要的是，我們有沒有辦法讓國外的觀光客、國外的業者看到合法、可信，還有高品質的相關資料庫？現在問題是……"],["陳部長世凱：我們應該要提供，這個我們應該要提供。"],["黃委員珊珊：因為平臺完全……"],["周署長永暉：我們一直在充實，有一些copyright的問題，我們有跟幾個……"],["黃委員珊珊：你在充實，但是國外的人查不到你這資料庫，108年欸！現在113年，5年了，當時我相信在疫情的時候這很重要，現在可能又覺得不重要了，但是部長，這件事情我覺得非常簡單，如果我們要建立一個平臺，因為現在的民眾自己上去找資料、找訂房，你知道資料庫裡面還有一個網站叫做旅宿網，部長知道嗎？"],["陳部長世凱：對，這個我知道。"],["黃委員珊珊：如果上去旅宿網，我剛剛上去查了很久，我想查去日月潭的飯店，我怎麼查，給我的回答都是搜尋結果是零，它的搜尋連搜尋都做不到，我不知道它要怎麼樣……"],["周署長永暉：它的路徑不是這樣進入，但是委員這樣提醒的話，我們可以改變從路徑的部分去做處理，它是one-way的，不是two-way。"],["黃委員珊珊：我的意思是說，如果我們一般人都是上Agoda，要上國外的這些旅遊網站去訂我們臺灣的飯店，我們的旅宿網站也是要加油啦！"],["周署長永暉：它的操作上不一樣。"],["黃委員珊珊：而且我們的觀光景點資料庫竟然沒有對外的英文promote，我實在不知道我們開放這個資料要幹嘛！","最後我給部長一個建議，因為現在的法國，他們是輔導所謂的旅遊新創業者，由新創業來做一個同業採購資訊平臺，其實是讓業者找到我們的資料，由國外的業者找到臺灣的業者、國外的業者找到我們所有data，它可以直接透過相關的平臺，我們可以直接聯繫，減少所謂中間轉介的費用，就像現在民眾會透過這些國際網站去訂房一樣，省掉了那些所謂的轉介費用。"],["陳部長世凱：好"],["黃委員珊珊：部長，你去看一看，法國做得很好。"],["陳部長世凱：好，我們朝這個方向來努力。"],["黃委員珊珊：法國的觀光應該是全世界最強的，好不好？"],["周署長永暉：是。"],["陳部長世凱：好。"],["黃委員珊珊：然後我們臺灣如果號稱數位產業、智慧臺灣，這個網站我只能跟你說不及格到極點。"],["陳部長世凱：好，我們趕快來了解，檢討看怎麼做。"],["黃委員珊珊：尤其最好笑的是這個網站的瀏覽率不到觀光署官網的十分之一；也就是說，去看官網的人還比看這個網站的人多10倍，這個資源……"],["陳部長世凱：表示做得不夠好，這個部分……"],["黃委員珊珊：不是做得不夠好，是根本沒有人要上去查。"],["陳部長世凱：對。"],["黃委員珊珊：因為，第一不友善，第二沒資料，第三，功能上面就像剛剛署長說的，我們不知道在提供什麼？最重要的是，如果透過數位，沒有相關國外的英文或其他語言的話，乾脆不要設了，好嗎？"],["陳部長世凱：是。"],["黃委員珊珊：這是哪門子的資料庫啊？部長，你要什麼時候給我一個簡單的回復？"],["陳部長世凱：好，我們趕快去了解。"],["黃委員珊珊：我覺得等一下質詢結束，你上網看一看就知道什麼答案，我希望，第一，要把2025年你們接下去的計畫，怎麼樣用這個東西加入你們所謂的……"],["周署長永暉：對，要轉化成可以用的溝通。"],["黃委員珊珊：第二個，隨便一個新創業者做的網站都會比你好，最重要是現在請部長去查一下觀光署跟委外建置維護的所有系統，我希望看到你的營運成果報告。"],["陳部長世凱：好。"],["周署長永暉：好，我們所有的辦事處也都有，獨立的……"],["黃委員珊珊：也都有，但是沒有整合、不好使用，或者是對臺灣所有的東西、data，並沒有完善的放在裡面，那真的還不如一個國際網站，好嗎？"],["周署長永暉：好。"],["陳部長世凱：好。"],["黃委員珊珊：部長，上去看一看，旅宿網跟這個資料庫都不及格。"],["陳部長世凱：我知道。"],["黃委員珊珊：到年底沒有幾天了，我希望在明年開議之前，這個東西再上去看，至少要比現在好，請部長處理，好嗎？謝謝。"],["陳部長世凱：好，沒問題。謝謝委員。"],["主席：謝謝黃委員。","接下來有請葉元之委員發言。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":78,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-23-16","speakers":["魯明哲","李昆澤","許智傑","林國成","林俊憲","廖先翔","陳素月","翁曉玲","蔡其昌","何欣純","徐富癸","楊瓊瓔","王義川","洪孟楷","鄭天財Sra 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