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00:00:39,386\n委員好部長好今天討論的觀光產業因為我們都知道今年觀光逆差可能非常高啦高達7000多億年初的時候交通部長設定一個來台的觀光客目標是1200萬看起來應該也跳票了啦當然有一些方法就看觀光署跟交通部願不願意做但我今天針對幾個議題跟您請教一下第一個\n\n3\n00:00:40,467 --> 00:00:49,582\n我們現在淘機每天設定的來台灣的每天的班機大概多少?航班大概幾架?設定的。是不是850架?\n\n4\n00:00:55,849 --> 00:01:11,228\n八百五十架是目前的這個上限上限嘛對但實際上到目前為止每一天大概幾架平均大概在六百五、七百大概六百五到六百九啦還不到七百啦是就差了大概一百五十架左右其實這個都是損失啦\n\n5\n00:01:11,588 --> 00:01:27,179\n為什麼因為部長那個不是目標那是上限上限對不能超過那個對因為他上限850嘛所以代表說我們的容納實際上是可以到850因為我們有很多參數嘛包括就是停機坪的數量跑道的容量或者是航廈容量對\n\n6\n00:01:27,839 --> 00:01:52,338\n各方面都算完之後我們應該是可以達到850的上限但是實際上因為媒合的問題會有耗損率所以大概航空公司申請有的時間帶他又放棄或幹嘛最後大概就只有650到690等於是耗損率非常高大概差了150架左右這150架的航班就是非常多的機位這些機位都有可能是可以讓外國旅客坐了來台灣\n\n7\n00:01:53,444 --> 00:02:16,218\n那航空公司認為說我現在因為我們現在出國的人數比回國還多啊所以我要把我們的國人從國外載回來都已經可能沒位子我怎麼還有機會去載外國的旅客呢所以第一件事情是我覺得桃機應該要去思考把這個媒合的效率提高你至少不可能說讓讓那個每天即將搬機650到690啊\n\n8\n00:02:17,779 --> 00:02:41,248\n這實在是我覺得是一個很大的空間的浪費啦。不知道這能不能做到。跟委員報告一下我們每天850班是每天的航班的上限但是這個850班是每天全天24小時那基本上來講航空公司在安排航班的時候會配合他本身的航線特性去找這個時間所以\n\n9\n00:02:42,688 --> 00:03:02,461\n我們會有所謂的時間帶的一個申請跟分配這我都了解現在的問題是有的是你們因為參數的設定的問題他本來其他全部都符合但是就是因為卡到這個一個上限850架導致於申請不到反而讓我們的850也達不到我覺得這個是參數設定的問題這絕對有檢討的空間跟委員報告因為\n\n10\n00:03:09,506 --> 00:03:35,601\n監控的時間好的時段是每一個航空公司都想搶啦但是這個就會有它的一個限制所以有一個先來後到這樣的關係那基本上如果說沒有沒有有沒有調整的空間嗎你回答我這個問題嗎有沒有還是沒有辦法會滾動的調整時間帶的管理是每半年會來做檢討因為我們是看結果我們看結果我覺得你結果就是不好你應該要找出方法來啦\n\n11\n00:03:37,284 --> 00:03:40,546\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部觀光品質並增加觀光品質並增加觀光品質並增加觀光品質並增加觀光品質\n\n12\n00:03:58,599 --> 00:04:02,523\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部觀光品質並增加觀光品質並增加觀光品質\n\n13\n00:04:15,097 --> 00:04:16,118\n總經理你要負什麼責任嗎?要不要?\n\n14\n00:04:33,392 --> 00:05:00,809\n我如果可以找到,因為今天時間不夠,因為我還有別的議題要問。但如果我有機會,我利用集合管道提出解決方法,你要不要負責?要不要?跟委員報告,我們現在這個頒表是每半年會有冬季、夏季頒表。我都知道,你不要,因為我現在20分鐘我們就開一個研討會了啦。我今天是問一個態度,你有沒有要調整?對,這個部分我們來做調整。我也會跟桃集公司大家來做討論。怎麼樣再更優化,像委員所說的,如果有些參數的調整。部長,那你先給我們一個書面。\n\n15\n00:05:02,330 --> 00:05:26,784\n請他給我兩個禮拜給個書面檢討報告好不好?兩個禮拜那如果說到時候可以調整的話就總經理今天的態度在國會這樣一副吊噹噹的這種態度你怎麼處理?沒有啊他沒有要處理的意思啊他就是說這是因為什麼原因什麼原因什麼原因才造成這個狀況啊所以很應該啊人少沒進來無所謂啊態度就這樣啊只是想要更詳細的跟委員說明但是他有講到要滾動檢討\n\n16\n00:05:28,045 --> 00:05:48,830\n所以這個部分確實我們會做那兩個禮拜之內跟委員兩個禮拜之內一個完整要我們再來討論因為這個要講十幾分鐘啊這不可能三分鐘四分鐘講完我今天只要一個態度而已啊然後第二個就是現在很多旅館在反映喔因為今年明年1月1號開始準備要推一次性的備品了嘛對就是要廢除一次性備品\n\n17\n00:05:49,770 --> 00:06:10,760\n那現在還有人在講說未來有可能連瓶裝水都要求旅館不要提供這個是環境部環境部我知道因為這也是國際趨勢因為現在整個國際都在推ESG這我都了解但問題是現在網路上還有一般的民眾現在已經有個想法以為好像是只有國內的旅館是這樣子推甚至有人講說那這樣對國旅會雪上加霜\n\n18\n00:06:11,300 --> 00:06:14,441\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部觀光品質並增加觀光品質並增加觀光品質\n\n19\n00:06:35,908 --> 00:06:53,413\n但是你不能讓這種大家的輿論發酵好像是欸國內的旅館在找大家的麻煩其實這個對我們的國旅的發展也不利我現在只是說希望說觀光署可不可以訂一個宣傳的計畫就是跟國人講清楚當然你可以跟環境部要點錢啊或配合他們一起做宣傳\n\n20\n00:06:54,933 --> 00:06:55,374\n第三個問題,\n\n21\n00:07:10,851 --> 00:07:28,457\n以前在馬政府時代有一個觀光發展推動委員會我們簡稱叫政觀推不想知道嗎?我知道當時這個政觀推其實扮演了非常關鍵的推廣觀光的一個角色因為當時馬政府是想說我們用觀光立國希望能夠賺觀光外匯\n\n22\n00:07:31,046 --> 00:07:50,188\n當時因為很多部會他訂定策略之後跨部會的協調然後執行其實解決了很多問題比如說你可以直接在這個會上面要求勞動部解決一些勞力的問題你可以要求財政部針對通關的問題做更簡便你可以請其他的部會農業部看怎麼做農業觀光體育部可以做體育觀光\n\n23\n00:07:51,149 --> 00:08:02,542\n可是我覺得非常可惜就是這個觀光推就是觀光發展推動委員會在2021年因為疫情的關係就已經被取消了取消以後並沒有隨之而來的替代的跨部會的機制\n\n24\n00:08:03,291 --> 00:08:23,924\n那個時候好像當時的行政院是講說不然就由交通部或觀光署來協調可是我也知道部長你的困難度啊你是交通部長你能夠去協調速發部什麼事嗎他會理你嗎你可以協調遼東部做什麼事嗎你還是需要有更高位階的人來做一個協調跟推動而且很多時候是你上位者的思維跟部長思維不會一樣嘛\n\n25\n00:08:24,764 --> 00:08:46,903\n所以像類似這樣的一個觀光發展推動委員會其實大家希望可以再恢復至少要行政院長成績院長太忙的話副院長可以召開包委員我們下個月副院長就會來召開這樣子的會議所以有恢復是不是另外成立另外成立一個叫什麼會議另外成立一個也是同樣的叫觀光觀光諮詢會議觀光推廣諮詢會議\n\n26\n00:08:49,785 --> 00:09:10,035\n觀光推廣諮詢會議幾個月開一次?我們原則上是三個月開一次那因為組成這個委員的民間代表有21席那現在才確認嘛然後我們改變過去的做法就是大家發言以後再來組成題目那我們現在由這些委員提的意見\n\n27\n00:09:11,095 --> 00:09:32,510\n然後我們再分類那各部會已經有表示意見我們已經把它重新重整了大概就像部長講的下個月下個月召開趙建仁是誰?副院長目前是副院長就副院長陳琦就對了目前是副院長然後三個月會開一次原則上三個月會開一次那會請各部會地方政府一起來參加還有業者是不是?對地方政府沒有地方政府沒有為什麼地方政府不一起召來?\n\n28\n00:09:33,050 --> 00:09:54,241\n他是中央跟這個業界的一個因為之前的那個政官推是地方政府也可以參與嘛你們觀光署推觀光不可能把地方政府排除在外因為我們自己我們有觀光的22個觀光的局處首長我們是另外再開一個會然後再還有另外一個會就不能我都覺得如果一個會大家整合整合一起\n\n29\n00:09:55,162 --> 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在推ESG這我都了解但問題是現在網路上還有一般的民眾現在已經有個想法以為好像是只有國內的旅館是這樣子推甚至有人講說那這樣對國旅會雪上加霜\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部觀光品質並增加觀光品質並增加觀光品質\n但是你不能讓這種大家的輿論發酵好像是欸國內的旅館在找大家的麻煩其實這個對我們的國旅的發展也不利我現在只是說希望說觀光署可不可以訂一個宣傳的計畫就是跟國人講清楚當然你可以跟環境部要點錢啊或配合他們一起做宣傳\n第三個問題,\n以前在馬政府時代有一個觀光發展推動委員會我們簡稱叫政觀推不想知道嗎?我知道當時這個政觀推其實扮演了非常關鍵的推廣觀光的一個角色因為當時馬政府是想說我們用觀光立國希望能夠賺觀光外匯\n當時因為很多部會他訂定策略之後跨部會的協調然後執行其實解決了很多問題比如說你可以直接在這個會上面要求勞動部解決一些勞力的問題你可以要求財政部針對通關的問題做更簡便你可以請其他的部會農業部看怎麼做農業觀光體育部可以做體育觀光\n可是我覺得非常可惜就是這個觀光推就是觀光發展推動委員會在2021年因為疫情的關係就已經被取消了取消以後並沒有隨之而來的替代的跨部會的機制\n那個時候好像當時的行政院是講說不然就由交通部或觀光署來協調可是我也知道部長你的困難度啊你是交通部長你能夠去協調速發部什麼事嗎他會理你嗎你可以協調遼東部做什麼事嗎你還是需要有更高位階的人來做一個協調跟推動而且很多時候是你上位者的思維跟部長思維不會一樣嘛\n所以像類似這樣的一個觀光發展推動委員會其實大家希望可以再恢復至少要行政院長成績院長太忙的話副院長可以召開包委員我們下個月副院長就會來召開這樣子的會議所以有恢復是不是另外成立另外成立一個叫什麼會議另外成立一個也是同樣的叫觀光觀光諮詢會議觀光推廣諮詢會議\n觀光推廣諮詢會議幾個月開一次?我們原則上是三個月開一次那因為組成這個委員的民間代表有21席那現在才確認嘛然後我們改變過去的做法就是大家發言以後再來組成題目那我們現在由這些委員提的意見\n然後我們再分類那各部會已經有表示意見我們已經把它重新重整了大概就像部長講的下個月下個月召開趙建仁是誰?副院長目前是副院長就副院長陳琦就對了目前是副院長然後三個月會開一次原則上三個月會開一次那會請各部會地方政府一起來參加還有業者是不是?對地方政府沒有地方政府沒有為什麼地方政府不一起召來?\n他是中央跟這個業界的一個因為之前的那個政官推是地方政府也可以參與嘛你們觀光署推觀光不可能把地方政府排除在外因為我們自己我們有觀光的22個觀光的局處首長我們是另外再開一個會然後再還有另外一個會就不能我都覺得如果一個會大家整合整合一起\n因為怕議題為了提高那個議程的這個推動所以我們有很多是把它用分會的方式然後再提到大會來。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.132 --> 00:06.597\n呃,麻煩請部長。陳部長\n\n00:15.632 --> 00:39.386\n委員好部長好今天討論的觀光產業因為我們都知道今年觀光逆差可能非常高啦高達7000多億年初的時候交通部長設定一個來台的觀光客目標是1200萬看起來應該也跳票了啦當然有一些方法就看觀光署跟交通部願不願意做但我今天針對幾個議題跟您請教一下第一個\n\n00:40.467 --> 00:49.582\n我們現在淘機每天設定的來台灣的每天的班機大概多少?航班大概幾架?設定的。是不是850架?\n\n00:55.849 --> 01:11.228\n八百五十架是目前的這個上限上限嘛對但實際上到目前為止每一天大概幾架平均大概在六百五、七百大概六百五到六百九啦還不到七百啦是就差了大概一百五十架左右其實這個都是損失啦\n\n01:11.588 --> 01:27.179\n為什麼因為部長那個不是目標那是上限上限對不能超過那個對因為他上限850嘛所以代表說我們的容納實際上是可以到850因為我們有很多參數嘛包括就是停機坪的數量跑道的容量或者是航廈容量對\n\n01:27.839 --> 01:52.338\n各方面都算完之後我們應該是可以達到850的上限但是實際上因為媒合的問題會有耗損率所以大概航空公司申請有的時間帶他又放棄或幹嘛最後大概就只有650到690等於是耗損率非常高大概差了150架左右這150架的航班就是非常多的機位這些機位都有可能是可以讓外國旅客坐了來台灣\n\n01:53.444 --> 02:16.218\n那航空公司認為說我現在因為我們現在出國的人數比回國還多啊所以我要把我們的國人從國外載回來都已經可能沒位子我怎麼還有機會去載外國的旅客呢所以第一件事情是我覺得桃機應該要去思考把這個媒合的效率提高你至少不可能說讓讓那個每天即將搬機650到690啊\n\n02:17.779 --> 02:41.248\n這實在是我覺得是一個很大的空間的浪費啦。不知道這能不能做到。跟委員報告一下我們每天850班是每天的航班的上限但是這個850班是每天全天24小時那基本上來講航空公司在安排航班的時候會配合他本身的航線特性去找這個時間所以\n\n02:42.688 --> 03:02.461\n我們會有所謂的時間帶的一個申請跟分配這我都了解現在的問題是有的是你們因為參數的設定的問題他本來其他全部都符合但是就是因為卡到這個一個上限850架導致於申請不到反而讓我們的850也達不到我覺得這個是參數設定的問題這絕對有檢討的空間跟委員報告因為\n\n03:09.506 --> 03:35.601\n監控的時間好的時段是每一個航空公司都想搶啦但是這個就會有它的一個限制所以有一個先來後到這樣的關係那基本上如果說沒有沒有有沒有調整的空間嗎你回答我這個問題嗎有沒有還是沒有辦法會滾動的調整時間帶的管理是每半年會來做檢討因為我們是看結果我們看結果我覺得你結果就是不好你應該要找出方法來啦\n\n03:37.284 --> 03:40.546\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部觀光品質並增加觀光品質並增加觀光品質並增加觀光品質並增加觀光品質\n\n03:58.599 --> 04:02.523\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部觀光品質並增加觀光品質並增加觀光品質\n\n04:15.097 --> 04:16.118\n總經理你要負什麼責任嗎?要不要?\n\n04:33.392 --> 05:00.809\n我如果可以找到,因為今天時間不夠,因為我還有別的議題要問。但如果我有機會,我利用集合管道提出解決方法,你要不要負責?要不要?跟委員報告,我們現在這個頒表是每半年會有冬季、夏季頒表。我都知道,你不要,因為我現在20分鐘我們就開一個研討會了啦。我今天是問一個態度,你有沒有要調整?對,這個部分我們來做調整。我也會跟桃集公司大家來做討論。怎麼樣再更優化,像委員所說的,如果有些參數的調整。部長,那你先給我們一個書面。\n\n05:02.330 --> 05:26.784\n請他給我兩個禮拜給個書面檢討報告好不好?兩個禮拜那如果說到時候可以調整的話就總經理今天的態度在國會這樣一副吊噹噹的這種態度你怎麼處理?沒有啊他沒有要處理的意思啊他就是說這是因為什麼原因什麼原因什麼原因才造成這個狀況啊所以很應該啊人少沒進來無所謂啊態度就這樣啊只是想要更詳細的跟委員說明但是他有講到要滾動檢討\n\n05:28.045 --> 05:48.830\n所以這個部分確實我們會做那兩個禮拜之內跟委員兩個禮拜之內一個完整要我們再來討論因為這個要講十幾分鐘啊這不可能三分鐘四分鐘講完我今天只要一個態度而已啊然後第二個就是現在很多旅館在反映喔因為今年明年1月1號開始準備要推一次性的備品了嘛對就是要廢除一次性備品\n\n05:49.770 --> 06:10.760\n那現在還有人在講說未來有可能連瓶裝水都要求旅館不要提供這個是環境部環境部我知道因為這也是國際趨勢因為現在整個國際都在推ESG這我都了解但問題是現在網路上還有一般的民眾現在已經有個想法以為好像是只有國內的旅館是這樣子推甚至有人講說那這樣對國旅會雪上加霜\n\n06:11.300 --> 06:14.441\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部觀光品質並增加觀光品質並增加觀光品質\n\n06:35.908 --> 06:53.413\n但是你不能讓這種大家的輿論發酵好像是欸國內的旅館在找大家的麻煩其實這個對我們的國旅的發展也不利我現在只是說希望說觀光署可不可以訂一個宣傳的計畫就是跟國人講清楚當然你可以跟環境部要點錢啊或配合他們一起做宣傳\n\n06:54.933 --> 06:55.374\n第三個問題,\n\n07:10.851 --> 07:28.457\n以前在馬政府時代有一個觀光發展推動委員會我們簡稱叫政觀推不想知道嗎?我知道當時這個政觀推其實扮演了非常關鍵的推廣觀光的一個角色因為當時馬政府是想說我們用觀光立國希望能夠賺觀光外匯\n\n07:31.046 --> 07:50.188\n當時因為很多部會他訂定策略之後跨部會的協調然後執行其實解決了很多問題比如說你可以直接在這個會上面要求勞動部解決一些勞力的問題你可以要求財政部針對通關的問題做更簡便你可以請其他的部會農業部看怎麼做農業觀光體育部可以做體育觀光\n\n07:51.149 --> 08:02.542\n可是我覺得非常可惜就是這個觀光推就是觀光發展推動委員會在2021年因為疫情的關係就已經被取消了取消以後並沒有隨之而來的替代的跨部會的機制\n\n08:03.291 --> 08:23.924\n那個時候好像當時的行政院是講說不然就由交通部或觀光署來協調可是我也知道部長你的困難度啊你是交通部長你能夠去協調速發部什麼事嗎他會理你嗎你可以協調遼東部做什麼事嗎你還是需要有更高位階的人來做一個協調跟推動而且很多時候是你上位者的思維跟部長思維不會一樣嘛\n\n08:24.764 --> 08:46.903\n所以像類似這樣的一個觀光發展推動委員會其實大家希望可以再恢復至少要行政院長成績院長太忙的話副院長可以召開包委員我們下個月副院長就會來召開這樣子的會議所以有恢復是不是另外成立另外成立一個叫什麼會議另外成立一個也是同樣的叫觀光觀光諮詢會議觀光推廣諮詢會議\n\n08:49.785 --> 09:10.035\n觀光推廣諮詢會議幾個月開一次?我們原則上是三個月開一次那因為組成這個委員的民間代表有21席那現在才確認嘛然後我們改變過去的做法就是大家發言以後再來組成題目那我們現在由這些委員提的意見\n\n09:11.095 --> 09:32.510\n然後我們再分類那各部會已經有表示意見我們已經把它重新重整了大概就像部長講的下個月下個月召開趙建仁是誰?副院長目前是副院長就副院長陳琦就對了目前是副院長然後三個月會開一次原則上三個月會開一次那會請各部會地方政府一起來參加還有業者是不是?對地方政府沒有地方政府沒有為什麼地方政府不一起召來?\n\n09:33.050 --> 09:54.241\n他是中央跟這個業界的一個因為之前的那個政官推是地方政府也可以參與嘛你們觀光署推觀光不可能把地方政府排除在外因為我們自己我們有觀光的22個觀光的局處首長我們是另外再開一個會然後再還有另外一個會就不能我都覺得如果一個會大家整合整合一起\n\n09:55.162 --> 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去找這個時間，所以我們會有所謂時間帶的申請跟分配。"],["葉委員元之：這我都了解，現在的問題是，有的是因為你們參數設定的問題，它可能其他全部都符合，但是就是因為卡到上限850架，導致於申請不到，反而讓我們的850也達不到，我覺得這個是參數設定的問題，這絕對有檢討的空間。"],["范總經理孝倫：跟委員報告，因為尖峰的時間、好的時段是每一個航空公司都想搶，但是這就會有它的一個限制，所以有一個先來後到這樣的關係。基本上，如果說……"],["葉委員元之：沒有，有沒有調整的空間嘛？你就回答我這個問題，有沒有？還是沒有辦法？"],["范總經理孝倫：我們會滾動調整，時間帶的管理是每半年會檢討。"],["葉委員元之：因為我們是看結果，我們看結果，我覺得結果就是不好，你應該要找出方法來。我覺得既然上限可以到850，本來就是應該要朝向850的目標，那你說差一點沒關係，但差到200架，一天850，然後你只有650，這也差太多了吧！"],["范總經理孝倫：跟委員報告，我們每一天的航班也會有高、有低，這也是航空公司本身的特性。"],["葉委員元之：看平均啦！如果您的態度是這樣的話，沒有要改的意思的話……"],["陳部長世凱：沒有，委員，我們說的是可以做得更好。"],["葉委員元之：部長，我覺得你們同仁這麼官僚的回答，連調整都不願意調整。"],["陳部長世凱：可以啦！"],["葉委員元之：因為今天時間不夠，不然我可以好好跟你討論，但是實際上我們只是要一個交通部的態度。"],["陳部長世凱：是，報告委員，剛剛總經理有講，我們會滾動調整。"],["葉委員元之：沒有，總經理的意思就是這樣啊！我們很棒了啊！如果是這樣的話，大家以後也不用來這邊開會了嘛！"],["陳部長世凱：委員，您所提醒的就是可以做得更好。"],["葉委員元之：那他的態度就是已經很好啦！因為是航空公司的問題啊！我真的不相信啦，如果說我今天可以找到方法來解決的話，總經理，你要負什麼責任呢？要不要？因為今天時間不夠，我還有別的議題要問，但如果我有機會，我利用幾個管道提出幾個方法，你要不要負責？要不要？"],["范總經理孝倫：跟委員報告，我們現在這個班表是每半年會有冬季、夏季班表，持續滾動檢討。"],["葉委員元之：這我都知道，如果我有20分鐘，我們就開一個研討會了啦！我今天是問一個態度，你有沒有要調整？"],["陳部長世凱：委員，這個部分我們來做調整，我也會跟桃機公司大家來討論，怎麼樣再更優化，像委員所說的，如果一些參數的調整可以讓航班……這個我們來做。"],["葉委員元之：部長，先給我們一個書面，請他兩個禮拜給我一個書面報告，好不好？兩個禮拜。"],["陳部長世凱：好，沒問題。"],["葉委員元之：如果說到時候可以調整的話，總經理今天這個態度，在國會這樣一副吊兒郎當的這種態度，你怎麼處理？"],["陳部長世凱：他剛剛也說可以滾動式調整。"],["葉委員元之：沒有啊！他沒有要處理的意思啊！他就說因為什麼原因、什麼原因、什麼原因，才造成這個狀況啊！所以很應該啊！人少、沒進來無所謂啊！態度就這樣啊！"],["陳部長世凱：他只是想要更詳細的跟委員說明，但是他有講到要滾動調整，所以這個部分確實我們會做，兩個禮拜之內跟委員……"],["葉委員元之：兩個禮拜之內一個完整報告，我們再來討論。"],["陳部長世凱：好。"],["葉委員元之：因為這個要講十幾分鐘，不可能3分鐘、4分鐘講完，我今天只是要一個態度而已啊！"],["陳部長世凱：好，沒問題。"],["葉委員元之：第二個就是現在很多旅館在反映，因為明年1月1號開始準備要廢除一次性備品了。"],["陳部長世凱：對。"],["葉委員元之：就是要廢除一次性備品，但還有人說未來有可能連瓶裝水都要求旅館不要提供。"],["陳部長世凱：這個是環境部的要求。"],["葉委員元之：是環境部我知道，因為這也是國際趨勢，整個國際都在推ESG，這我都了解。問題是在網路上，還有一般民眾現在已經有個想法，以為好像只有國內旅館是這樣推，甚至有人說這樣對國旅會雪上加霜，乾脆出國好了。"],["陳部長世凱：報告委員，這是國際趨勢，你也應該清楚。"],["葉委員元之：我知道，這我都知道，我沒有要苛責你的意思，我還沒講出我的訴求。"],["陳部長世凱：是。"],["葉委員元之：我只是希望觀光署或交通部這邊可以幫忙我們國內旅館做一點宣傳，要跟國人說這個東西是國際趨勢，就像你剛剛講的。"],["陳部長世凱：這個要。"],["葉委員元之：今天說國內不提供，我就跑出國去，但國外很多國家也是一樣的狀況嘛！但是不能讓這種輿論發酵，好像是國內旅館在找大家的麻煩，其實這個對我們國旅發展也不利，我現在只是希望觀光署可不可以訂一個宣傳計畫？就是跟國人講清楚，當然你可以跟環境部要點錢，或者配合他們一起做宣傳。"],["周署長永暉：我們會處理，這我們應該的。"],["陳部長世凱：我們應該要宣導，這個政策上面已經確定的，我們就來宣導，這樣對旅宿業者來講，也比較減少困擾。"],["周署長永暉：加強頻率，然後也多開幾個channel。"],["葉委員元之：希望可以多宣傳。","第三個問題，以前在馬政府時代有一個觀光發展推動委員會，我們簡稱政觀推，部長知道嗎？"],["陳部長世凱：我知道。"],["葉委員元之：當時這個政觀推其實扮演了非常關鍵的推廣觀光的一個角色，因為當時馬政府是想我們用觀光立國，希望能夠賺觀光外匯。當時因為很多部會訂定策略之後，跨部會協調，然後執行，其實解決了很多問題，譬如說可以直接在這個會上面要求勞動部解決一些勞力的問題、可以要求財政部針對通關的問題更簡便、可以請其他部會，包括農業部怎麼做農業觀光、體育部可以做體育觀光，可是我覺得非常可惜，這個觀光發展推動委員會在2021年因為疫情的關係就已經被取消了，取消以後並沒有隨之而來替代的跨部會機制，好像當時的行政院是說不然就由交通部或觀光署來協調，可是我也知道部長的困難度啊，你是交通部長，你能夠去協調數發部什麼事嗎？他會理你嗎？你可以協調勞動部做什麼事嗎？你還是需要有更高位階的人來做一個協調跟推動，而且很多時候是上位者的思維跟部長思維不會一樣嘛！"],["陳部長世凱：是。"],["葉委員元之：所以類似這樣一個觀光發展推動委員會，其實大家希望可以再恢復，至少要有行政院長層級，院長太忙的話，副院長可以召開。"],["陳部長世凱：報告委員，我們下個月副院長就會來召開這樣子的會議。"],["葉委員元之：所以有恢復，是不是？"],["周署長永暉：另外成立。"],["葉委員元之：另外成立一個叫什麼會？"],["陳部長世凱：也是同樣的……"],["周署長永暉：觀光推廣諮詢會議。"],["葉委員元之：觀光推廣諮詢會議，幾個月開一次？"],["周署長永暉：我們原則上是3個月開一次，因為組成委員的民間代表有21席，現在才確認，然後我們改變過去的作法，就是大家發言以後再來組成題目，我們現在由這些委員提的意見，然後再分類，各部會已經有表示意見，我們已經把它重整了，就像部長講的下個月……"],["葉委員元之：下個月召開？"],["周署長永暉：對。"],["葉委員元之：召集人是誰？"],["周署長永暉：副院長。"],["陳部長世凱：目前是副院長。"],["葉委員元之：副院長層級就對了？"],["周署長永暉：部長跟副院長。"],["葉委員元之：然後3個月會開一次？"],["周署長永暉：原則上3個月會開一次。"],["葉委員元之：好，會請各部會、地方政府一起來參加，還有業者是不是？"],["陳部長世凱：對。"],["周署長永暉：地方政府沒有。"],["葉委員元之：地方政府沒有，為什麼地方政府不一起找來？"],["周署長永暉：因為它是中央跟業界的一個……"],["葉委員元之：因為之前的政觀推是地方政府也可以參與，你們觀光署推觀光，不可能把地方政府排除在外。"],["周署長永暉：不會啦！因為我們自己有22個觀光局處首長，我們是另外再開一個會，然後再……"],["葉委員元之：還有另外一個會？我就覺得，如果一個會大家整合一起……"],["周署長永暉：因為怕議題……"],["葉委員元之：跨部會執行……"],["周署長永暉：為了提高議程的推動，所以我們很多是把它用分會的方式，然後再提到大會來。"],["葉委員元之：好，謝謝。"],["陳部長世凱：好，謝謝委員。"],["主席：好，謝謝葉委員。","接下來有請羅明才委員，羅明才、羅明才委員不在。","蘇清泉、蘇清泉委員、蘇清泉委員不在。","羅智強委員、羅智強、羅智強委員不在。","王美惠委員、王美惠、王美惠委員不在。","黃國昌委員、黃國昌、黃國昌委員不在。","今天登記質詢委員均已發言完畢，作以下決議：第一、報告及詢答完畢；第二、委員黃健豪、羅智強所提書面質詢列入紀錄，並刊登公報；第三、委員於質詢中要求提供相關書面資料，或未及答復部分，請交通部，還有中華郵政（如果有的話）儘速以書面答復；第四、觀光署及所屬單位預算、觀光發展基金非營業預算、中華郵政營業預算等3項預算案，均另擇期進行處理，委員預算提案於12月25日（星期三）中午12點截止收件。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":78,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-23-16","speakers":["魯明哲","李昆澤","許智傑","林國成","林俊憲","廖先翔","陳素月","翁曉玲","蔡其昌","何欣純","徐富癸","楊瓊瓔","王義川","洪孟楷","鄭天財Sra 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