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00:02:47,740\n自來水水利設施、環境污染防治設施、交通建設或者是社福這些設施那其中的本來沒有那後來大家我們也一直關切的就是放入衛生福利醫療設施例如長照那主委你應該也知道我很關心這件事你看\n\n8\n00:02:48,661 --> 00:03:13,322\n我們的原鄉長照真的是做得最不好的最沒有的就是沒有照顧到這些失能老人沒有住宿式的長照機構那今年8月終於有一個第一間在台東那也顯示他的速度是非常的緩慢可是為什麼會這樣因為政策的引導不足啊甚至是排斥\n\n9\n00:03:14,262 --> 00:03:40,923\n這個表格他是112到114我們衛福部的一個獎勵資源、獎補助的部件區域這個當中沒有任何一個原鄉在裡面沒有任何一個原鄉我想問一下主委您覺得理由是什麼我想因為我真的不是這方面的專家你就直觀的認為我覺得當然是因為他\n\n10\n00:03:42,551 --> 00:04:05,967\n可能人數還有就是資源條件的問題我跟您說這個理由真是氣死人他說需求人數未達營運規模那政府就很奇怪了又口口聲聲說要做長照又說我們的投資標的也可以放入長照又告訴你說他需求人數未達營運標準這非常矛盾\n\n11\n00:04:09,329 --> 00:04:31,098\n所以我想要請教一下就是主委就是山地原鄉長期缺乏長住型的這種住宿型機構他是事實那速餐2.0上路之後呢政府推動有償PPP這個財政部模式也是事實您認為是不是有助於國內受險業的資金投資我們原鄉的長照您認為\n\n12\n00:04:32,899 --> 00:05:01,102\n那當然其實我在很多場合都提過其實受險業是有高度興趣投入國內的長照抱歉但是因為受險業的資金有成本所以他的投資一定要有合理的回報否則他沒辦法因應他的負債的結構所以假設任何一個投資這個內容它本身是有自償性比如說假設長照機構可以收住宿費\n\n13\n00:05:02,563 --> 00:05:16,561\n若再加上一些政府的補貼那這樣的話就有可能讓他有一個穩定的報酬那政府就不用出錢來營建他就可以透過這個資金進來比如說他也可以用發債的方式然後給予固定的那個債息他就可以長期的投資\n\n14\n00:05:18,163 --> 00:05:27,554\n又加上政府的保證具有穩定的收入那就有可能做到這一點好那謝謝齁我看起來也是如此我們來看一下在這一次的2024保險論壇受險工會的常務理事吳傑他說\n\n15\n00:05:33,340 --> 00:05:55,425\n受險業者是有意願的他說社宅醫療他說也是他們有願意投資的項目那我看到這個南山人壽總經理范文偉他也提到說他們希望未來的公共建設有更多元投資的方式包括這個REIT或者是PE債券化、證券化所以\n\n16\n00:05:56,085 --> 00:06:11,140\n總而言之就是希望公共建設要把它給證券化、債券化增加公共建設的金融商品那畢竟這個是大家的期待可是事實是我們政府的公債數量確實是不多\n\n17\n00:06:11,781 --> 00:06:16,642\n所以這個投報率是很重要的一個關鍵所以看起來我們國內的受險業者對於投資長照這個公共建設並非沒有意願但是希望可以擺脫過往政府這種採購的思維透過好的金融商品去做籌資特別是基金、債券但是到底要發行什麼商品它的投報率到底能不能過高所以我這邊要特別請教一下主委\n\n18\n00:06:40,666 --> 00:07:09,653\n那如果說我們要提高這個投資報酬率讓受險資金願意配合政府的政策統入公共建設那您認為到底要怎麼做特別是原鄉的長照或公共建設根委員報告其實我們在這次兆元投資計畫裡面有一個很重要的概念就是說希望我們的公部門釋出未來可能會證券化或債券化的案源像比如說我們剛才講假設以債券化現在已經有幾個個案在談\n\n19\n00:07:10,663 --> 00:07:38,230\n怎麼樣發這個永續債這個方式那尤其很多地方政府是很有興趣我想這個應該很快會有些成績那我就是想知道進度如何對那這部分像瑞慈也有規劃嗎那個瑞慈因為我們還在那個立法院我們希望說看看如果能夠盡快通過的話要超前部署啊對瑞慈我們已經當然當然很多人在做準備了因為這個大家都很看好其他國家這個部分是用來包裝公件成為一個證券化很重要的一個工具\n\n20\n00:07:38,570 --> 00:07:46,764\n所以是有進度的進展中的我們已經請我們的周邊單位開始去研議這些東西但是還要等法律通過那另外一個就是說\n\n21\n00:07:48,021 --> 00:08:16,485\n我們也請我們的交易所跟櫃買由他們董事長領軍我們請他成立一個義務性的叫做資本市場服務團就來協助我們的政府機關說如果你有好的案源你怕你沒有那個證券化的知識沒關係他可以來幫你評估然後做出一個我們市場可以接受的這產品我們希望這個也有在談的像剛才講說我想前一陣子國發會主委也提到就是說我們的自來水漏水很嚴重假設有人願意來投資再來做的話\n\n22\n00:08:17,005 --> 00:08:20,989\n有關金融監督管理委員會主管中央政府總預算案有關金融監督管理委員會主管中央政府總預算案有關金融監督管理委員會\n\n23\n00:08:35,345 --> 00:09:00,683\n就是他除了那個長照可能是規模不夠不賺錢所以能夠結合一個共同開發產生收益就可以我們蓋一個車站不賺錢但是他上面有些商業利益就有可能成為是一個可行的方案這就可以朝這個方向來思考非常謝謝我希望主委您在這方面要多多的替我們原鄉如何引進投資來幫我們去做一個設計規劃這是我們普惠金融想推的\n\n24\n00:09:01,343 --> 00:09:19,735\n那剛剛您也有提到其實像是這些長照我們也有聽到像政期局的官員風力發電、太陽能發電其實都有包含在這個當中表示說大家是有意願的但是我也想介紹一下主委您看一下其實我們現在原鄉\n\n25\n00:09:21,304 --> 00:09:46,957\n也很想做這一些升值能發電再生能源的一個開發利用畢竟我們的廢材廢料很多那現在氣候變遷這樣異常的狀況下我們也很需要去發展來自給自足那像政府呢其實像經濟部能源局他也有一些再生能源的示範獎勵辦法但是我跟您說現在退出以來沒有任何一個相公所願意投入為什麼因為\n\n26\n00:09:47,637 --> 00:10:12,665\n他為了補助一千萬他要自籌四千萬所以呢其實融資始終是一個最大的問題又或者像這個公民電廠的獎勵辦法他可以協會合作社可以來申請但是一樣啊他為了那一點點的錢他要找更多的錢來投資所以也都卡關那我知道你們金管會曾經提出一個叫綠色授信那請教一下主委齁這個要怎麼幫助我們園鄉如果參與這一類的事情\n\n27\n00:10:17,004 --> 00:10:32,918\n那當然就是我們現在我們在做那個綠色金融轉型行動方案裡面呢怎麼樣支持這個綠色的轉型跟產業是我們一個方向那這個我們要按照個案來看他的內容因為他畢竟還是一個\n\n28\n00:10:33,999 --> 00:10:59,996\n一個商業行為是那我想說這部分若有個案的話我們可以來評估好那主委反正時間的關係總之像怎麼活用這些綠色獸性這些很多工具那我想這個部分我還是希望說金管會再幫忙多想一想也希望在三個月內給我一個報告讓我知道我們可以怎麼樣共同來協助原鄉來發展提供幾個具體的\n\n29\n00:11:01,237 --> 00:11:01,537\n請陳玉珍召委質詢\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4897\t26947\t謝謝主席再次有請主委主委長我知道金管會一直都很重視如何把金融業在國外的資金特別是受險業把它引回那我們特別看到一些數據資料例如保險業的資金36兆\n28888\t52509\t投信業境內外基金17兆特別是國人存款54兆顯示國內超額存款比例相當高代表資金應該活用重點是要有投資標的我們也看到一些數據例如金融業持有台股2.87兆當中受險業占1.85兆\n54631\t57253\t債券31兆當中受險業有21.5兆顯示受險業佔我們臺灣金融業的國內投資佔了7成多﹐比例相當的高甚至是它的海外債券也是臺股的11.6倍\n72285\t94454\t所以這個現象也造成我們很重視要怎麼樣把它引流回來那我知道前幾天我們有辦一個2024的保險論壇這個當中卓院長他的致詞發言也特別提到一個叫做兆元投資國家方案那第一個就是他要推動一個平台去媒合一些案源跟業者\n95514\t121725\t優化我們公共建設的融資條件然後增加公共建設的金融商品那這顯示的就是我們過去的這種政府採購法他防弊的心態比較重導致呢這些法規限制使得獲益降低也使得進場的意願很低那他們比較喜歡的看起來是希望政府要來提供金融商品\n122585\t148762\t這個看起來是大家一致的意見那財政部他在促參2.0呢他有一個有償PPP的模式也就是說由政府編列預算去買回一部分或全部的公共服務定期的付費給民間機構那因為這樣就會報酬穩定可以降低投資的風險也就會吸引民間的資金那這其中他有提到適合的公共建設像是污水下水道\n149262\t167740\t自來水水利設施、環境污染防治設施、交通建設或者是社福這些設施那其中的本來沒有那後來大家我們也一直關切的就是放入衛生福利醫療設施例如長照那主委你應該也知道我很關心這件事你看\n168661\t193322\t我們的原鄉長照真的是做得最不好的最沒有的就是沒有照顧到這些失能老人沒有住宿式的長照機構那今年8月終於有一個第一間在台東那也顯示他的速度是非常的緩慢可是為什麼會這樣因為政策的引導不足啊甚至是排斥\n194262\t220923\t這個表格他是112到114我們衛福部的一個獎勵資源、獎補助的部件區域這個當中沒有任何一個原鄉在裡面沒有任何一個原鄉我想問一下主委您覺得理由是什麼我想因為我真的不是這方面的專家你就直觀的認為我覺得當然是因為他\n222551\t245967\t可能人數還有就是資源條件的問題我跟您說這個理由真是氣死人他說需求人數未達營運規模那政府就很奇怪了又口口聲聲說要做長照又說我們的投資標的也可以放入長照又告訴你說他需求人數未達營運標準這非常矛盾\n249329\t271098\t所以我想要請教一下就是主委就是山地原鄉長期缺乏長住型的這種住宿型機構他是事實那速餐2.0上路之後呢政府推動有償PPP這個財政部模式也是事實您認為是不是有助於國內受險業的資金投資我們原鄉的長照您認為\n272899\t301102\t那當然其實我在很多場合都提過其實受險業是有高度興趣投入國內的長照抱歉但是因為受險業的資金有成本所以他的投資一定要有合理的回報否則他沒辦法因應他的負債的結構所以假設任何一個投資這個內容它本身是有自償性比如說假設長照機構可以收住宿費\n302563\t316561\t若再加上一些政府的補貼那這樣的話就有可能讓他有一個穩定的報酬那政府就不用出錢來營建他就可以透過這個資金進來比如說他也可以用發債的方式然後給予固定的那個債息他就可以長期的投資\n318163\t327554\t又加上政府的保證具有穩定的收入那就有可能做到這一點好那謝謝齁我看起來也是如此我們來看一下在這一次的2024保險論壇受險工會的常務理事吳傑他說\n333340\t355425\t受險業者是有意願的他說社宅醫療他說也是他們有願意投資的項目那我看到這個南山人壽總經理范文偉他也提到說他們希望未來的公共建設有更多元投資的方式包括這個REIT或者是PE債券化、證券化所以\n356085\t371140\t總而言之就是希望公共建設要把它給證券化、債券化增加公共建設的金融商品那畢竟這個是大家的期待可是事實是我們政府的公債數量確實是不多\n371781\t376642\t所以這個投報率是很重要的一個關鍵所以看起來我們國內的受險業者對於投資長照這個公共建設並非沒有意願但是希望可以擺脫過往政府這種採購的思維透過好的金融商品去做籌資特別是基金、債券但是到底要發行什麼商品它的投報率到底能不能過高所以我這邊要特別請教一下主委\n400666\t429653\t那如果說我們要提高這個投資報酬率讓受險資金願意配合政府的政策統入公共建設那您認為到底要怎麼做特別是原鄉的長照或公共建設根委員報告其實我們在這次兆元投資計畫裡面有一個很重要的概念就是說希望我們的公部門釋出未來可能會證券化或債券化的案源像比如說我們剛才講假設以債券化現在已經有幾個個案在談\n430663\t458230\t怎麼樣發這個永續債這個方式那尤其很多地方政府是很有興趣我想這個應該很快會有些成績那我就是想知道進度如何對那這部分像瑞慈也有規劃嗎那個瑞慈因為我們還在那個立法院我們希望說看看如果能夠盡快通過的話要超前部署啊對瑞慈我們已經當然當然很多人在做準備了因為這個大家都很看好其他國家這個部分是用來包裝公件成為一個證券化很重要的一個工具\n458570\t466764\t所以是有進度的進展中的我們已經請我們的周邊單位開始去研議這些東西但是還要等法律通過那另外一個就是說\n468021\t496485\t我們也請我們的交易所跟櫃買由他們董事長領軍我們請他成立一個義務性的叫做資本市場服務團就來協助我們的政府機關說如果你有好的案源你怕你沒有那個證券化的知識沒關係他可以來幫你評估然後做出一個我們市場可以接受的這產品我們希望這個也有在談的像剛才講說我想前一陣子國發會主委也提到就是說我們的自來水漏水很嚴重假設有人願意來投資再來做的話\n497005\t500989\t有關金融監督管理委員會主管中央政府總預算案有關金融監督管理委員會主管中央政府總預算案有關金融監督管理委員會\n515345\t540683\t就是他除了那個長照可能是規模不夠不賺錢所以能夠結合一個共同開發產生收益就可以我們蓋一個車站不賺錢但是他上面有些商業利益就有可能成為是一個可行的方案這就可以朝這個方向來思考非常謝謝我希望主委您在這方面要多多的替我們原鄉如何引進投資來幫我們去做一個設計規劃這是我們普惠金融想推的\n541343\t559735\t那剛剛您也有提到其實像是這些長照我們也有聽到像政期局的官員風力發電、太陽能發電其實都有包含在這個當中表示說大家是有意願的但是我也想介紹一下主委您看一下其實我們現在原鄉\n561304\t586957\t也很想做這一些升值能發電再生能源的一個開發利用畢竟我們的廢材廢料很多那現在氣候變遷這樣異常的狀況下我們也很需要去發展來自給自足那像政府呢其實像經濟部能源局他也有一些再生能源的示範獎勵辦法但是我跟您說現在退出以來沒有任何一個相公所願意投入為什麼因為\n587637\t612665\t他為了補助一千萬他要自籌四千萬所以呢其實融資始終是一個最大的問題又或者像這個公民電廠的獎勵辦法他可以協會合作社可以來申請但是一樣啊他為了那一點點的錢他要找更多的錢來投資所以也都卡關那我知道你們金管會曾經提出一個叫綠色授信那請教一下主委齁這個要怎麼幫助我們園鄉如果參與這一類的事情\n617004\t632918\t那當然就是我們現在我們在做那個綠色金融轉型行動方案裡面呢怎麼樣支持這個綠色的轉型跟產業是我們一個方向那這個我們要按照個案來看他的內容因為他畢竟還是一個\n633999\t659996\t一個商業行為是那我想說這部分若有個案的話我們可以來評估好那主委反正時間的關係總之像怎麼活用這些綠色獸性這些很多工具那我想這個部分我還是希望說金管會再幫忙多想一想也希望在三個月內給我一個報告讓我知道我們可以怎麼樣共同來協助原鄉來發展提供幾個具體的\n661237\t661537\t請陳玉珍召委質詢\n","txt":"謝謝主席再次有請主委主委長我知道金管會一直都很重視如何把金融業在國外的資金特別是受險業把它引回那我們特別看到一些數據資料例如保險業的資金36兆\n投信業境內外基金17兆特別是國人存款54兆顯示國內超額存款比例相當高代表資金應該活用重點是要有投資標的我們也看到一些數據例如金融業持有台股2.87兆當中受險業占1.85兆\n債券31兆當中受險業有21.5兆顯示受險業佔我們臺灣金融業的國內投資佔了7成多﹐比例相當的高甚至是它的海外債券也是臺股的11.6倍\n所以這個現象也造成我們很重視要怎麼樣把它引流回來那我知道前幾天我們有辦一個2024的保險論壇這個當中卓院長他的致詞發言也特別提到一個叫做兆元投資國家方案那第一個就是他要推動一個平台去媒合一些案源跟業者\n優化我們公共建設的融資條件然後增加公共建設的金融商品那這顯示的就是我們過去的這種政府採購法他防弊的心態比較重導致呢這些法規限制使得獲益降低也使得進場的意願很低那他們比較喜歡的看起來是希望政府要來提供金融商品\n這個看起來是大家一致的意見那財政部他在促參2.0呢他有一個有償PPP的模式也就是說由政府編列預算去買回一部分或全部的公共服務定期的付費給民間機構那因為這樣就會報酬穩定可以降低投資的風險也就會吸引民間的資金那這其中他有提到適合的公共建設像是污水下水道\n自來水水利設施、環境污染防治設施、交通建設或者是社福這些設施那其中的本來沒有那後來大家我們也一直關切的就是放入衛生福利醫療設施例如長照那主委你應該也知道我很關心這件事你看\n我們的原鄉長照真的是做得最不好的最沒有的就是沒有照顧到這些失能老人沒有住宿式的長照機構那今年8月終於有一個第一間在台東那也顯示他的速度是非常的緩慢可是為什麼會這樣因為政策的引導不足啊甚至是排斥\n這個表格他是112到114我們衛福部的一個獎勵資源、獎補助的部件區域這個當中沒有任何一個原鄉在裡面沒有任何一個原鄉我想問一下主委您覺得理由是什麼我想因為我真的不是這方面的專家你就直觀的認為我覺得當然是因為他\n可能人數還有就是資源條件的問題我跟您說這個理由真是氣死人他說需求人數未達營運規模那政府就很奇怪了又口口聲聲說要做長照又說我們的投資標的也可以放入長照又告訴你說他需求人數未達營運標準這非常矛盾\n所以我想要請教一下就是主委就是山地原鄉長期缺乏長住型的這種住宿型機構他是事實那速餐2.0上路之後呢政府推動有償PPP這個財政部模式也是事實您認為是不是有助於國內受險業的資金投資我們原鄉的長照您認為\n那當然其實我在很多場合都提過其實受險業是有高度興趣投入國內的長照抱歉但是因為受險業的資金有成本所以他的投資一定要有合理的回報否則他沒辦法因應他的負債的結構所以假設任何一個投資這個內容它本身是有自償性比如說假設長照機構可以收住宿費\n若再加上一些政府的補貼那這樣的話就有可能讓他有一個穩定的報酬那政府就不用出錢來營建他就可以透過這個資金進來比如說他也可以用發債的方式然後給予固定的那個債息他就可以長期的投資\n又加上政府的保證具有穩定的收入那就有可能做到這一點好那謝謝齁我看起來也是如此我們來看一下在這一次的2024保險論壇受險工會的常務理事吳傑他說\n受險業者是有意願的他說社宅醫療他說也是他們有願意投資的項目那我看到這個南山人壽總經理范文偉他也提到說他們希望未來的公共建設有更多元投資的方式包括這個REIT或者是PE債券化、證券化所以\n總而言之就是希望公共建設要把它給證券化、債券化增加公共建設的金融商品那畢竟這個是大家的期待可是事實是我們政府的公債數量確實是不多\n所以這個投報率是很重要的一個關鍵所以看起來我們國內的受險業者對於投資長照這個公共建設並非沒有意願但是希望可以擺脫過往政府這種採購的思維透過好的金融商品去做籌資特別是基金、債券但是到底要發行什麼商品它的投報率到底能不能過高所以我這邊要特別請教一下主委\n那如果說我們要提高這個投資報酬率讓受險資金願意配合政府的政策統入公共建設那您認為到底要怎麼做特別是原鄉的長照或公共建設根委員報告其實我們在這次兆元投資計畫裡面有一個很重要的概念就是說希望我們的公部門釋出未來可能會證券化或債券化的案源像比如說我們剛才講假設以債券化現在已經有幾個個案在談\n怎麼樣發這個永續債這個方式那尤其很多地方政府是很有興趣我想這個應該很快會有些成績那我就是想知道進度如何對那這部分像瑞慈也有規劃嗎那個瑞慈因為我們還在那個立法院我們希望說看看如果能夠盡快通過的話要超前部署啊對瑞慈我們已經當然當然很多人在做準備了因為這個大家都很看好其他國家這個部分是用來包裝公件成為一個證券化很重要的一個工具\n所以是有進度的進展中的我們已經請我們的周邊單位開始去研議這些東西但是還要等法律通過那另外一個就是說\n我們也請我們的交易所跟櫃買由他們董事長領軍我們請他成立一個義務性的叫做資本市場服務團就來協助我們的政府機關說如果你有好的案源你怕你沒有那個證券化的知識沒關係他可以來幫你評估然後做出一個我們市場可以接受的這產品我們希望這個也有在談的像剛才講說我想前一陣子國發會主委也提到就是說我們的自來水漏水很嚴重假設有人願意來投資再來做的話\n有關金融監督管理委員會主管中央政府總預算案有關金融監督管理委員會主管中央政府總預算案有關金融監督管理委員會\n就是他除了那個長照可能是規模不夠不賺錢所以能夠結合一個共同開發產生收益就可以我們蓋一個車站不賺錢但是他上面有些商業利益就有可能成為是一個可行的方案這就可以朝這個方向來思考非常謝謝我希望主委您在這方面要多多的替我們原鄉如何引進投資來幫我們去做一個設計規劃這是我們普惠金融想推的\n那剛剛您也有提到其實像是這些長照我們也有聽到像政期局的官員風力發電、太陽能發電其實都有包含在這個當中表示說大家是有意願的但是我也想介紹一下主委您看一下其實我們現在原鄉\n也很想做這一些升值能發電再生能源的一個開發利用畢竟我們的廢材廢料很多那現在氣候變遷這樣異常的狀況下我們也很需要去發展來自給自足那像政府呢其實像經濟部能源局他也有一些再生能源的示範獎勵辦法但是我跟您說現在退出以來沒有任何一個相公所願意投入為什麼因為\n他為了補助一千萬他要自籌四千萬所以呢其實融資始終是一個最大的問題又或者像這個公民電廠的獎勵辦法他可以協會合作社可以來申請但是一樣啊他為了那一點點的錢他要找更多的錢來投資所以也都卡關那我知道你們金管會曾經提出一個叫綠色授信那請教一下主委齁這個要怎麼幫助我們園鄉如果參與這一類的事情\n那當然就是我們現在我們在做那個綠色金融轉型行動方案裡面呢怎麼樣支持這個綠色的轉型跟產業是我們一個方向那這個我們要按照個案來看他的內容因為他畢竟還是一個\n一個商業行為是那我想說這部分若有個案的話我們可以來評估好那主委反正時間的關係總之像怎麼活用這些綠色獸性這些很多工具那我想這個部分我還是希望說金管會再幫忙多想一想也希望在三個月內給我一個報告讓我知道我們可以怎麼樣共同來協助原鄉來發展提供幾個具體的\n請陳玉珍召委質詢\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.897 --> 00:26.947\n謝謝主席再次有請主委主委長我知道金管會一直都很重視如何把金融業在國外的資金特別是受險業把它引回那我們特別看到一些數據資料例如保險業的資金36兆\n\n00:28.888 --> 00:52.509\n投信業境內外基金17兆特別是國人存款54兆顯示國內超額存款比例相當高代表資金應該活用重點是要有投資標的我們也看到一些數據例如金融業持有台股2.87兆當中受險業占1.85兆\n\n00:54.631 --> 00:57.253\n債券31兆當中受險業有21.5兆顯示受險業佔我們臺灣金融業的國內投資佔了7成多﹐比例相當的高甚至是它的海外債券也是臺股的11.6倍\n\n01:12.285 --> 01:34.454\n所以這個現象也造成我們很重視要怎麼樣把它引流回來那我知道前幾天我們有辦一個2024的保險論壇這個當中卓院長他的致詞發言也特別提到一個叫做兆元投資國家方案那第一個就是他要推動一個平台去媒合一些案源跟業者\n\n01:35.514 --> 02:01.725\n優化我們公共建設的融資條件然後增加公共建設的金融商品那這顯示的就是我們過去的這種政府採購法他防弊的心態比較重導致呢這些法規限制使得獲益降低也使得進場的意願很低那他們比較喜歡的看起來是希望政府要來提供金融商品\n\n02:02.585 --> 02:28.762\n這個看起來是大家一致的意見那財政部他在促參2.0呢他有一個有償PPP的模式也就是說由政府編列預算去買回一部分或全部的公共服務定期的付費給民間機構那因為這樣就會報酬穩定可以降低投資的風險也就會吸引民間的資金那這其中他有提到適合的公共建設像是污水下水道\n\n02:29.262 --> 02:47.740\n自來水水利設施、環境污染防治設施、交通建設或者是社福這些設施那其中的本來沒有那後來大家我們也一直關切的就是放入衛生福利醫療設施例如長照那主委你應該也知道我很關心這件事你看\n\n02:48.661 --> 03:13.322\n我們的原鄉長照真的是做得最不好的最沒有的就是沒有照顧到這些失能老人沒有住宿式的長照機構那今年8月終於有一個第一間在台東那也顯示他的速度是非常的緩慢可是為什麼會這樣因為政策的引導不足啊甚至是排斥\n\n03:14.262 --> 03:40.923\n這個表格他是112到114我們衛福部的一個獎勵資源、獎補助的部件區域這個當中沒有任何一個原鄉在裡面沒有任何一個原鄉我想問一下主委您覺得理由是什麼我想因為我真的不是這方面的專家你就直觀的認為我覺得當然是因為他\n\n03:42.551 --> 04:05.967\n可能人數還有就是資源條件的問題我跟您說這個理由真是氣死人他說需求人數未達營運規模那政府就很奇怪了又口口聲聲說要做長照又說我們的投資標的也可以放入長照又告訴你說他需求人數未達營運標準這非常矛盾\n\n04:09.329 --> 04:31.098\n所以我想要請教一下就是主委就是山地原鄉長期缺乏長住型的這種住宿型機構他是事實那速餐2.0上路之後呢政府推動有償PPP這個財政部模式也是事實您認為是不是有助於國內受險業的資金投資我們原鄉的長照您認為\n\n04:32.899 --> 05:01.102\n那當然其實我在很多場合都提過其實受險業是有高度興趣投入國內的長照抱歉但是因為受險業的資金有成本所以他的投資一定要有合理的回報否則他沒辦法因應他的負債的結構所以假設任何一個投資這個內容它本身是有自償性比如說假設長照機構可以收住宿費\n\n05:02.563 --> 05:16.561\n若再加上一些政府的補貼那這樣的話就有可能讓他有一個穩定的報酬那政府就不用出錢來營建他就可以透過這個資金進來比如說他也可以用發債的方式然後給予固定的那個債息他就可以長期的投資\n\n05:18.163 --> 05:27.554\n又加上政府的保證具有穩定的收入那就有可能做到這一點好那謝謝齁我看起來也是如此我們來看一下在這一次的2024保險論壇受險工會的常務理事吳傑他說\n\n05:33.340 --> 05:55.425\n受險業者是有意願的他說社宅醫療他說也是他們有願意投資的項目那我看到這個南山人壽總經理范文偉他也提到說他們希望未來的公共建設有更多元投資的方式包括這個REIT或者是PE債券化、證券化所以\n\n05:56.085 --> 06:11.140\n總而言之就是希望公共建設要把它給證券化、債券化增加公共建設的金融商品那畢竟這個是大家的期待可是事實是我們政府的公債數量確實是不多\n\n06:11.781 --> 06:16.642\n所以這個投報率是很重要的一個關鍵所以看起來我們國內的受險業者對於投資長照這個公共建設並非沒有意願但是希望可以擺脫過往政府這種採購的思維透過好的金融商品去做籌資特別是基金、債券但是到底要發行什麼商品它的投報率到底能不能過高所以我這邊要特別請教一下主委\n\n06:40.666 --> 07:09.653\n那如果說我們要提高這個投資報酬率讓受險資金願意配合政府的政策統入公共建設那您認為到底要怎麼做特別是原鄉的長照或公共建設根委員報告其實我們在這次兆元投資計畫裡面有一個很重要的概念就是說希望我們的公部門釋出未來可能會證券化或債券化的案源像比如說我們剛才講假設以債券化現在已經有幾個個案在談\n\n07:10.663 --> 07:38.230\n怎麼樣發這個永續債這個方式那尤其很多地方政府是很有興趣我想這個應該很快會有些成績那我就是想知道進度如何對那這部分像瑞慈也有規劃嗎那個瑞慈因為我們還在那個立法院我們希望說看看如果能夠盡快通過的話要超前部署啊對瑞慈我們已經當然當然很多人在做準備了因為這個大家都很看好其他國家這個部分是用來包裝公件成為一個證券化很重要的一個工具\n\n07:38.570 --> 07:46.764\n所以是有進度的進展中的我們已經請我們的周邊單位開始去研議這些東西但是還要等法律通過那另外一個就是說\n\n07:48.021 --> 08:16.485\n我們也請我們的交易所跟櫃買由他們董事長領軍我們請他成立一個義務性的叫做資本市場服務團就來協助我們的政府機關說如果你有好的案源你怕你沒有那個證券化的知識沒關係他可以來幫你評估然後做出一個我們市場可以接受的這產品我們希望這個也有在談的像剛才講說我想前一陣子國發會主委也提到就是說我們的自來水漏水很嚴重假設有人願意來投資再來做的話\n\n08:17.005 --> 08:20.989\n有關金融監督管理委員會主管中央政府總預算案有關金融監督管理委員會主管中央政府總預算案有關金融監督管理委員會\n\n08:35.345 --> 09:00.683\n就是他除了那個長照可能是規模不夠不賺錢所以能夠結合一個共同開發產生收益就可以我們蓋一個車站不賺錢但是他上面有些商業利益就有可能成為是一個可行的方案這就可以朝這個方向來思考非常謝謝我希望主委您在這方面要多多的替我們原鄉如何引進投資來幫我們去做一個設計規劃這是我們普惠金融想推的\n\n09:01.343 --> 09:19.735\n那剛剛您也有提到其實像是這些長照我們也有聽到像政期局的官員風力發電、太陽能發電其實都有包含在這個當中表示說大家是有意願的但是我也想介紹一下主委您看一下其實我們現在原鄉\n\n09:21.304 --> 09:46.957\n也很想做這一些升值能發電再生能源的一個開發利用畢竟我們的廢材廢料很多那現在氣候變遷這樣異常的狀況下我們也很需要去發展來自給自足那像政府呢其實像經濟部能源局他也有一些再生能源的示範獎勵辦法但是我跟您說現在退出以來沒有任何一個相公所願意投入為什麼因為\n\n09:47.637 --> 10:12.665\n他為了補助一千萬他要自籌四千萬所以呢其實融資始終是一個最大的問題又或者像這個公民電廠的獎勵辦法他可以協會合作社可以來申請但是一樣啊他為了那一點點的錢他要找更多的錢來投資所以也都卡關那我知道你們金管會曾經提出一個叫綠色授信那請教一下主委齁這個要怎麼幫助我們園鄉如果參與這一類的事情\n\n10:17.004 --> 10:32.918\n那當然就是我們現在我們在做那個綠色金融轉型行動方案裡面呢怎麼樣支持這個綠色的轉型跟產業是我們一個方向那這個我們要按照個案來看他的內容因為他畢竟還是一個\n\n10:33.999 --> 10:59.996\n一個商業行為是那我想說這部分若有個案的話我們可以來評估好那主委反正時間的關係總之像怎麼活用這些綠色獸性這些很多工具那我想這個部分我還是希望說金管會再幫忙多想一想也希望在三個月內給我一個報告讓我知道我們可以怎麼樣共同來協助原鄉來發展提供幾個具體的\n\n11:01.237 --> 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Tahovecahe委員：進展中的？"],["彭主任委員金隆：對，我們已經請我們的周邊單位開始去研議這些東西，但是還要等法律通過。另外一個就是說，我們也請我們的交易所跟櫃買，由他們董事長領軍，請他成立一個義務性的組織，叫做資本市場服務團來協助我們的政府機關，如果說你有好的案源，你怕沒有證券化的知識，沒關係，它可以來幫忙評估，然後做出一個我們市場可以接受的產品。我們希望這個……也有在談的，像剛才講說，前一陣子國發會主委也提到我們的自來水漏水很嚴重，假設有人願意來投資再來做的話……"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：對。"],["彭主任委員金隆：單單就以漏水，就會來償付這個……"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：所以我們會有一個服務團專門來協助大家？"],["彭主任委員金隆：對、對、對。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：看怎麼把它證券化。"],["彭主任委員金隆：對，包括中央、地方政府……"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：債券化？"],["彭主任委員金隆：對，如果你願意把你的未來有有償性的，比如說剛剛像委員以前提到的，假如是原鄉，它除了長照以外能結合觀光，就是它除了那個長照，可能是規模不夠、不賺錢……"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：它會規劃？"],["彭主任委員金隆：如果能夠結合，一個共同開發產生收益，就像我們蓋一個車站不賺錢，但它上面有些商業利益，就有可能成為一個可行的方案，就可以朝這個方向來試。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：好，非常謝謝，我希望主委在這方面要多多替我們原鄉引進投資來幫我們做設計規劃。"],["彭主任委員金隆：這是我們普惠金融想推的，對。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：好，剛剛您也有提到像是這些長照，我們也有聽到像證期局的官員，風力發電、太陽能發電都有包含在這個當中，表示大家是有意願的，但是我也想介紹一下，主委，其實現在原鄉也很想做這些生質能發電、再生能源的開發利用，畢竟我們的廢材、廢料很多。現在氣候變遷，這樣異常的狀況下，我們也很需要去發展來自給自足，在政府部分，像經濟部能源署也有一些再生能源的示範獎勵辦法。","但是我跟您說，現在推出以來沒有任何一個鄉公所願意投入，為什麼？因為它為了補助1,000萬元，它要自籌4,000萬元，其實融資始終是一個最大的問題；又或者像公民電廠的獎勵辦法，協會、合作社可以來申請，但是一樣啊，為了那一點點的錢，要找更多的錢來投資，所以也都卡關。我知道你們金管會曾經提出一個叫綠色授信，請教一下主委，這個要怎麼幫助我們原鄉如何參與這一類的事情？"],["彭主任委員金隆：我們現在在做綠色金融轉型行動方案裡面，怎麼樣支持綠色轉型跟產業是我們的一個方向。這個我們要按照個案來看它的內容，因為這畢竟還是一個商業行為。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：是。"],["彭主任委員金隆：我想這部分如果有個案的話，我們可以來評估。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：好，主委因為時間的關係，總之像怎麼活用這些REITs、綠色授信，很多工具的部分我還是希望金管會再幫忙多想一想。"],["彭主任委員金隆：好。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：希望在3個月內給我一個報告，讓我知道我們可以怎麼樣共同來協助原鄉來發展。"],["彭主任委員金隆：請委員提供幾個具體的案例給我們來評估。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：吸引未來有人願意投入參與，好不好？"],["彭主任委員金隆：好，謝謝。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：謝謝主委，謝謝主席。"],["彭主任委員金隆：謝謝委員。"],["主席（顏委員寬恒代）：好，謝謝伍委員質詢，謝謝彭主委。","接下來請陳玉珍召委質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":286,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-20-11","speakers":["陳玉珍","林德福","吳秉叡","賴士葆","賴惠員","王鴻薇","李坤城","李彥秀","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","顏寬恒","黃珊珊","郭國文","洪孟楷","羅明才","葉元之","楊瓊瓔"],"page_start":209,"meetingDate":["2024-12-19"],"gazette_id":"1140901","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1140901_00003"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期財政委員會第11次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案有關金融監督管理委員會、銀行局、證券期貨局、\n保險局、檢查局收支部分（僅詢答）；二、審查中華民國 114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預\n算營業部分，有關金融監督管理委員會主管中央存款保險股份有限公司（僅詢答）；三、審查中\n華民國 114 年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分，有關金融監督管理委員會主管：\n（僅詢答）(一)特別收入基金─金融監督管理基金、(二)信託基金─保險業務發展基金","agenda_id":"1140901_00002"}}}