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00:02:07,582\n收支部分關於法務部矯正機關作業基金收支部分關於法務部矯正機關作業基金收支部分關於法務部矯正機關作業基金收支部分關於法務部矯正機關作業基金\n\n8\n00:02:31,269 --> 00:02:32,810\n收支部分關於法務部矯正機關作業基金\n\n9\n00:02:54,910 --> 00:03:11,086\n那這第一法制面我們修法嘛解決法官侵犯所以我們那個修法譬如說他炸去五百萬幹的時候幾億的只要五百萬的話就三年以下把地板從一年弄到三年了十年以下那超過一億的就五年以上十二年以下他最近在怎麼侵犯你要判五年啊\n\n10\n00:03:11,837 --> 00:03:13,659\n司法及法制委員會第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會第11屆第2會期\n\n11\n00:03:31,895 --> 00:03:33,516\n收支部分關於法務部矯正機關作業基金\n\n12\n00:03:51,269 --> 00:03:58,091\n收支部分關於法務部矯正機關作業基金收支部分關於法務部矯正機關作業基金收支部分關於法務部矯正機關作業基金收支部分關於法務部矯正機關作業基金\n\n13\n00:04:20,253 --> 00:04:25,134\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於法務部矯正機關作業基金\n\n14\n00:04:46,781 --> 00:05:10,879\n那我想請教一下因為二級毒品之後你認為對於這個毒品的管制就可以達到你想要的效果嗎?有效果你這個一個月就有效果了嗎?我想這個效果一定會顯出出來的那個上市煙彈這個這部分已經有效果了是不是?當然有效果你說已經有了嗎?那部長我們也是希望有效果但是程度剛剛洪峰凱委員所講的\n\n15\n00:05:11,679 --> 00:05:15,983\n其實法務部如果把這個列為重點查緝對象,應該要跟...我們就已經認為重點查緝對象...因為...不然我的問題都還沒有問,可以先聽我講完嗎?\n\n16\n00:05:20,905 --> 00:05:42,414\n所以說如果你把這列為重點查緝對象的話我覺得跨機關的合作要很重要啦比如說第一個警政署有沒有相關的配合像一般來講的話這個毒品查到你要去檢測嘛但是之前就發生過他們給他們的篩記就是不夠很多派出所可能就只有拿到一個篩記不敢用\n\n17\n00:05:43,754 --> 00:05:59,005\n所以你把法則定得比較重但是如果相關機關沒辦法配合的話這個毒品的查緝還是一樣沒辦法達到效果還有類似像速發布的狀況也是一樣就是說在臉書的社團或是Google很容易就查到公然的販賣\n\n18\n00:06:00,126 --> 00:06:01,366\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n19\n00:06:29,259 --> 00:06:56,837\n報告委員有關於跨部會的合作我們台高建署已經總共從今年3月到現在已經開了12次會議剛剛委員非常垂詢的有關到網站的這些的查緝我們也建議這部分要及時的停止解析在上個禮拜速發部有開過會有邀請TWNIC這部分大家取得一個共識未來如果有許諾和這些的販毒的這些的網站\n\n20\n00:06:57,797 --> 00:06:59,618\n收支部分關於法務部矯正機關作業基金收支部分\n\n21\n00:07:17,096 --> 00:07:37,573\n有一個新聞說那個八大行業到某一個大學去招募女學生加入後來法官是判無罪因為法官講說八大行業去大學招募女學生他這個行為就跟社團招生的性質一樣所以是無罪那我不知道說站在法務部的立場覺得這樣子是OK的嗎\n\n22\n00:07:39,422 --> 00:07:43,004\n八大行業到大學去招募女學生跟社團招生性質一不一樣。\n\n23\n00:07:52,128 --> 00:08:21,059\n那個這個我想檢察官居然已經有起訴了齁那我想法院要判決無罪我想檢察官會嚴厲來對我覺得我們不針對個案啦我是一個通案啦因為如果是這樣子講的話那八大行業很高興啊他們可以到各大學去招募因為這個就是社團招生嘛那當然是在整個一個道德或法律上這個是不允許或不適可不適合的一個問題嘛對所以你覺得這部長你覺得不行齁那他違反到什麼法\n\n24\n00:08:23,539 --> 00:08:23,899\n社會秩序維護法違反社會秩序維護法\n\n25\n00:08:42,881 --> 00:09:01,664\n各位報告,這個其實不是檢察官起訴,他是違反社會秩序維護法,是司法檢察機關直接向法院移送,法院受判免罰,不罰。他其實跟檢察機關是沒有關係的。我知道我知道,我只問態度嘛,因為今天這個新聞出來。但這個權責上,他權責上他是司法檢察移送法院來做處理的。\n\n26\n00:09:02,205 --> 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