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00:01:45,604\n所以董事長如果像你這樣講的話你會是一個穿透式的一個管理就是說所有我們年代借給他的這個65億他不能去做汽車的貸款然後也不能去做先租後買\n\n6\n00:01:47,425 --> 00:02:11,034\n先買後戶,也不會留到房地產去嗎?報告委員,如果他是屬於企業所租用的汽車而不是個人,因為我們所規範是,就他不能做個人的租賃啦,他如果是,譬如說我是一家公司,那我的公司我需要租車,那我就跟租賃公司來租,那這樣是可以的。\n\n7\n00:02:11,294 --> 00:02:24,995\n所以董事長你講的非常清楚嘛他可以把錢借給法人可是不能借給個人那他的真信如果要借給個人的話他的真信必須要是周全的所以這些你們都會監督他\n\n8\n00:02:27,103 --> 00:02:49,772\n這些你們都會監督他?對,我們要看單據的除了看單據以外,你們還會去注重什麼?當然我們每一個案件我們都會有所謂AOAO的話就會去看公司的營運狀況跟他所有資金的流向這些其實我們都會控管的都會控管的?那是每個月控管的?對,因為還是每季?\n\n9\n00:02:50,987 --> 00:02:53,532\n這個定期的話會不會是一年一次還是每一季一次\n\n10\n00:03:04,912 --> 00:03:29,329\n我們一般檢討的話大概就定期大概說三個月左右啦好這個三個月啦因為我們會有固定一個檢討機制啦好杜董事長我想這個穿透式的一個管理對這個主任公司的一個約束是非常重要的所以說我們也期待就是說我們也不要污名化啦那我們也希望就是說它可以就是慢慢的導入一個正軌\n\n11\n00:03:30,049 --> 00:03:30,069\n賴惠員\n\n12\n00:03:47,090 --> 00:03:49,171\n主席好委員早安在這裡跟你探討臺北101還是臺灣101\n\n13\n00:04:04,079 --> 00:04:17,684\n臺灣101是那我們也知道就是說你從這個9月3號上任以後你也一直做了很多很多的一個努力那如果我們從臺北市的主要的一個關關的遊客人數上來調查的話\n\n14\n00:04:19,766 --> 00:04:36,759\n這份調查圖是從2022年到2014年11月的統計總表我們整體來看的話不管是西門町還是松山文創、陽明山還是臺北101其實臺北101是排序第四我在這裡請教賈董事長就是說\n\n15\n00:04:42,823 --> 00:05:08,830\n臺北101這一個國家是以哪一個國家的遊客為主目前其實國家就是國外觀光客來客數占比最多的是韓國人但是對但是呢我必須跟您報告一下就是在9月份開始就是我們陸陸續續尤其是到了11月我們夢想高飛的棒球展開始的時候呢日本遊客增加了86%在整個總體\n\n16\n00:05:12,051 --> 00:05:12,071\n賴惠員\n\n17\n00:05:41,372 --> 00:06:08,971\n所以從頭到尾那你說你大量的就是那個播放臺灣的一個在地的流行音樂是那我們也當然希望就是說你可以帶到周邊的遊客這個經濟效應你有沒有去評估它它會帶動了多少的一個遊客人數跟經濟效應呢我想跟委員今天報告的就是說我們目前對我有一個部分需要更正剛才那個\n\n18\n00:06:11,174 --> 00:06:38,073\n剛才我們的同事趕快立刻跟我說因為光雕的贊助的部分這一次是國泰金控麻煩所有的媒體朋友們幫我稍微更正一下是國泰金控在這個部分我們在觀光署的就是近的觀光的人數上面我覺得其實是會大幅的增加因為其實CNN已經將我們的煙火跨年煙火\n\n19\n00:06:39,474 --> 00:06:40,455\n我從101的一個表現必須要轉向\n\n20\n00:06:56,784 --> 00:06:58,005\n關井台遊客人數最高240萬\n\n21\n00:07:17,852 --> 00:07:36,983\n這個時候有入客這個是最高的一直到2021年這個是因為疫情所以它變少了2023慢慢又爬升到了2024其實現在已經回到一個最穩定的狀況那又有其實還是有差委員你看然後我要問你2025\n\n22\n00:07:42,165 --> 00:08:10,414\n對,我要問你2025你預計它會怎麼樣轉強呢?你有什麼樣的一個計畫呢?我2025年呢我們在觀景台呢其實我們因為這次的展覽呢真的是非常的成功所以接下來呢我們還是會用這種主題展覽的形式那整個用主題展覽的形式呢增加我們的整個的來客數尤其是我們的國人我們的國人其實很多人沒有上去過所以在這邊希望\n\n23\n00:08:11,154 --> 00:08:27,367\n我們都可以來捧場就是說光景台的一個遊客的人數的一個指標我們看到了就是101的營收的一個表現是沒錯很顯然就是說這個已經跨出了一個非常重要的穩定的一步\n\n24\n00:08:27,887 --> 00:08:35,172\n那在2025你期待它會有多少人我期待應該可以到180萬耶180萬對好我們現在就把2025列為180萬人次好那就是一個目標那接著\n\n25\n00:08:43,117 --> 00:09:07,027\n接著就是說我們再來跟你探討就是說這個101公司的一個股權的結構是那這個股權的結構事實上就是說在我們再上一頁再上一頁對在這裡這個剛才講得很清楚那郭公文委員又請教你就是說伊藤忠這個投資的股份有限公司他其實佔了37.17%是我們最大股東\n\n26\n00:09:10,088 --> 00:09:28,796\n對,是我們最大的股東是民股會去轉關股還是關股會去轉民股這個其實它這一個就是說外商的一個投資這個是一個非常大的一個轉換的一個標的物那當然我們也很重視這個案子\n\n27\n00:09:31,077 --> 00:09:31,297\n李慧琼議員\n\n28\n00:10:01,698 --> 00:10:27,476\n是宏國嗎?對,是宏國,2024它是全世界最高的一個立建築我想這個整體就是說,其實基本上啦2004年蓋的吧對,2004,2004開始建構那事實上就是說,其實在早期那個伊藤忠的前手你也知道是鼎興,是鼎興嘛\n\n29\n00:10:29,317 --> 00:10:44,626\n頂星接手頂星所以我們事實上我們大家都非常非常的擔心就是說這個也是一個我們臺灣的一個本土的一個投資的一個指標的一個標的物\n\n30\n00:10:45,566 --> 00:10:47,867\n您的營收期待能轉強,如果從2013年的108億到2023年的22億,其實成長了兩倍。\n\n31\n00:11:04,173 --> 00:11:19,683\n其實如果10年前成長2倍可是那時候臺灣的總體的GDP才15兆那現在是23.5兆其實這個中間有一個1.6倍所以我們期待就是說你的\n\n32\n00:11:20,323 --> 00:11:40,482\n銀收轉強的底氣是非常強的那再回到大家關心的就是說你先生的這個德傑集團那其實在這個2022年這個是陽明海運他投下了就是說他租了一個業他的費用好像是500萬\n\n33\n00:11:43,505 --> 00:11:57,976\n我跟您報告一下因為它是整棟樓然後跟您報告一下在那個今年的那個國泰金控的光雕呢我們的金額高於這個超多的所以每一個廣告呢它有不一樣的case\n\n34\n00:11:58,717 --> 00:11:58,957\n主席主席是一樣的\n\n35\n00:12:26,744 --> 00:12:40,508\n每一家我們總共有10家企業所有的條件都一樣等一下等一下我們每一個企業我們每一個企業可以有8個字所有的問題怎麼會是我們等一下呢你應該讓我把問題問完啊對不起\n\n36\n00:12:42,589 --> 00:12:42,609\n賴惠員\n\n37\n00:13:13,680 --> 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杜董事長我想這個穿透式的一個管理對這個主任公司的一個約束是非常重要的所以說我們也期待就是說我們也不要污名化啦那我們也希望就是說它可以就是慢慢的導入一個正軌\n210049\t210069\t賴惠員\n227090\t229171\t主席好委員早安在這裡跟你探討臺北101還是臺灣101\n244079\t257684\t臺灣101是那我們也知道就是說你從這個9月3號上任以後你也一直做了很多很多的一個努力那如果我們從臺北市的主要的一個關關的遊客人數上來調查的話\n259766\t276759\t這份調查圖是從2022年到2014年11月的統計總表我們整體來看的話不管是西門町還是松山文創、陽明山還是臺北101其實臺北101是排序第四我在這裡請教賈董事長就是說\n282823\t308830\t臺北101這一個國家是以哪一個國家的遊客為主目前其實國家就是國外觀光客來客數占比最多的是韓國人但是對但是呢我必須跟您報告一下就是在9月份開始就是我們陸陸續續尤其是到了11月我們夢想高飛的棒球展開始的時候呢日本遊客增加了86%在整個總體\n312051\t312071\t賴惠員\n341372\t368971\t所以從頭到尾那你說你大量的就是那個播放臺灣的一個在地的流行音樂是那我們也當然希望就是說你可以帶到周邊的遊客這個經濟效應你有沒有去評估它它會帶動了多少的一個遊客人數跟經濟效應呢我想跟委員今天報告的就是說我們目前對我有一個部分需要更正剛才那個\n371174\t398073\t剛才我們的同事趕快立刻跟我說因為光雕的贊助的部分這一次是國泰金控麻煩所有的媒體朋友們幫我稍微更正一下是國泰金控在這個部分我們在觀光署的就是近的觀光的人數上面我覺得其實是會大幅的增加因為其實CNN已經將我們的煙火跨年煙火\n399474\t400455\t我從101的一個表現必須要轉向\n416784\t418005\t關井台遊客人數最高240萬\n437852\t456983\t這個時候有入客這個是最高的一直到2021年這個是因為疫情所以它變少了2023慢慢又爬升到了2024其實現在已經回到一個最穩定的狀況那又有其實還是有差委員你看然後我要問你2025\n462165\t490414\t對,我要問你2025你預計它會怎麼樣轉強呢?你有什麼樣的一個計畫呢?我2025年呢我們在觀景台呢其實我們因為這次的展覽呢真的是非常的成功所以接下來呢我們還是會用這種主題展覽的形式那整個用主題展覽的形式呢增加我們的整個的來客數尤其是我們的國人我們的國人其實很多人沒有上去過所以在這邊希望\n491154\t507367\t我們都可以來捧場就是說光景台的一個遊客的人數的一個指標我們看到了就是101的營收的一個表現是沒錯很顯然就是說這個已經跨出了一個非常重要的穩定的一步\n507887\t515172\t那在2025你期待它會有多少人我期待應該可以到180萬耶180萬對好我們現在就把2025列為180萬人次好那就是一個目標那接著\n523117\t547027\t接著就是說我們再來跟你探討就是說這個101公司的一個股權的結構是那這個股權的結構事實上就是說在我們再上一頁再上一頁對在這裡這個剛才講得很清楚那郭公文委員又請教你就是說伊藤忠這個投資的股份有限公司他其實佔了37.17%是我們最大股東\n550088\t568796\t對,是我們最大的股東是民股會去轉關股還是關股會去轉民股這個其實它這一個就是說外商的一個投資這個是一個非常大的一個轉換的一個標的物那當然我們也很重視這個案子\n571077\t571297\t李慧琼議員\n601698\t627476\t是宏國嗎?對,是宏國,2024它是全世界最高的一個立建築我想這個整體就是說,其實基本上啦2004年蓋的吧對,2004,2004開始建構那事實上就是說,其實在早期那個伊藤忠的前手你也知道是鼎興,是鼎興嘛\n629317\t644626\t頂星接手頂星所以我們事實上我們大家都非常非常的擔心就是說這個也是一個我們臺灣的一個本土的一個投資的一個指標的一個標的物\n645566\t647867\t您的營收期待能轉強,如果從2013年的108億到2023年的22億,其實成長了兩倍。\n664173\t679683\t其實如果10年前成長2倍可是那時候臺灣的總體的GDP才15兆那現在是23.5兆其實這個中間有一個1.6倍所以我們期待就是說你的\n680323\t700482\t銀收轉強的底氣是非常強的那再回到大家關心的就是說你先生的這個德傑集團那其實在這個2022年這個是陽明海運他投下了就是說他租了一個業他的費用好像是500萬\n703505\t717976\t我跟您報告一下因為它是整棟樓然後跟您報告一下在那個今年的那個國泰金控的光雕呢我們的金額高於這個超多的所以每一個廣告呢它有不一樣的case\n718717\t718957\t主席主席是一樣的\n746744\t760508\t每一家我們總共有10家企業所有的條件都一樣等一下等一下我們每一個企業我們每一個企業可以有8個字所有的問題怎麼會是我們等一下呢你應該讓我把問題問完啊對不起\n762589\t762609\t賴惠員\n793680\t794021\t謝謝賴兆偉、謝謝賈董\n","txt":"謝謝主席有請那個兆豐金控董董事長還有佳永傑董事長有請兆豐金控董董事長還有佳永傑董事長\n兩位董事長早安我先請教一下我們的兆豐獨董事長是要跟您請教就是說在兩週前那個中租低合發布了一個重大的信息他表示說董事會已經通過了跟兆豐銀行簽訂了一個65億的一個連帶案那連帶的一個合約這是事實嘛對不對是\n中租敵核在把這個錢從我們兆豐借到了這個65億的一個連帶案的一個授信的一個合約這些錢會不會流向汽車貸款還是先買後戶跟不動產的一個融資呢那董事長你怎麼樣看這個\n我們通常在受信的時候受信合約裡面我們都有提到就是說他的資金用途是受到限制的所以如果說他資金用途是已經違背原本我們所訂的合約的話那我們當然會有一些措施啊比如說加碼啦或是減額度啦或是說要求他部分或全部提前還款\n所以董事長如果像你這樣講的話你會是一個穿透式的一個管理就是說所有我們年代借給他的這個65億他不能去做汽車的貸款然後也不能去做先租後買\n先買後戶,也不會留到房地產去嗎?報告委員,如果他是屬於企業所租用的汽車而不是個人,因為我們所規範是,就他不能做個人的租賃啦,他如果是,譬如說我是一家公司,那我的公司我需要租車,那我就跟租賃公司來租,那這樣是可以的。\n所以董事長你講的非常清楚嘛他可以把錢借給法人可是不能借給個人那他的真信如果要借給個人的話他的真信必須要是周全的所以這些你們都會監督他\n這些你們都會監督他?對,我們要看單據的除了看單據以外,你們還會去注重什麼?當然我們每一個案件我們都會有所謂AOAO的話就會去看公司的營運狀況跟他所有資金的流向這些其實我們都會控管的都會控管的?那是每個月控管的?對,因為還是每季?\n這個定期的話會不會是一年一次還是每一季一次\n我們一般檢討的話大概就定期大概說三個月左右啦好 這個三個月啦因為我們會有固定一個檢討機制啦好 杜董事長我想這個穿透式的一個管理對這個主任公司的一個約束是非常重要的所以說我們也期待就是說我們也不要污名化啦那我們也希望就是說它可以就是慢慢的導入一個正軌\n賴惠員\n主席好委員早安在這裡跟你探討臺北101還是臺灣101\n臺灣101是那我們也知道就是說你從這個9月3號上任以後你也一直做了很多很多的一個努力那如果我們從臺北市的主要的一個關關的遊客人數上來調查的話\n這份調查圖是從2022年到2014年11月的統計總表我們整體來看的話不管是西門町還是松山文創、陽明山還是臺北101其實臺北101是排序第四我在這裡請教賈董事長就是說\n臺北101這一個國家是以哪一個國家的遊客為主目前其實國家就是國外觀光客來客數占比最多的是韓國人但是對但是呢我必須跟您報告一下就是在9月份開始就是我們陸陸續續尤其是到了11月我們夢想高飛的棒球展開始的時候呢日本遊客增加了86%在整個總體\n賴惠員\n所以從頭到尾那你說你大量的就是那個播放臺灣的一個在地的流行音樂是那我們也當然希望就是說你可以帶到周邊的遊客這個經濟效應你有沒有去評估它它會帶動了多少的一個遊客人數跟經濟效應呢我想跟委員今天報告的就是說我們目前對我有一個部分需要更正剛才那個\n剛才我們的同事趕快立刻跟我說因為光雕的贊助的部分這一次是國泰金控麻煩所有的媒體朋友們幫我稍微更正一下是國泰金控在這個部分我們在觀光署的就是近的觀光的人數上面我覺得其實是會大幅的增加因為其實CNN已經將我們的煙火跨年煙火\n我從101的一個表現必須要轉向\n關井台遊客人數最高240萬\n這個時候有入客這個是最高的一直到2021年這個是因為疫情所以它變少了2023慢慢又爬升到了2024其實現在已經回到一個最穩定的狀況那又有其實還是有差委員你看然後我要問你2025\n對,我要問你2025你預計它會怎麼樣轉強呢?你有什麼樣的一個計畫呢?我2025年呢我們在觀景台呢其實我們因為這次的展覽呢真的是非常的成功所以接下來呢我們還是會用這種主題展覽的形式那整個用主題展覽的形式呢增加我們的整個的來客數尤其是我們的國人我們的國人其實很多人沒有上去過所以在這邊希望\n我們都可以來捧場就是說光景台的一個遊客的人數的一個指標我們看到了就是101的營收的一個表現是沒錯很顯然就是說這個已經跨出了一個非常重要的穩定的一步\n那在2025你期待它會有多少人我期待應該可以到180萬耶180萬對好我們現在就把2025列為180萬人次好那就是一個目標那接著\n接著就是說我們再來跟你探討就是說這個101公司的一個股權的結構是那這個股權的結構事實上就是說在我們再上一頁再上一頁對在這裡這個剛才講得很清楚那郭公文委員又請教你就是說伊藤忠這個投資的股份有限公司他其實佔了37.17%是我們最大股東\n對,是我們最大的股東是民股會去轉關股還是關股會去轉民股這個其實它這一個就是說外商的一個投資這個是一個非常大的一個轉換的一個標的物那當然我們也很重視這個案子\n李慧琼議員\n是宏國嗎?對,是宏國,2024它是全世界最高的一個立建築我想這個整體就是說,其實基本上啦2004年蓋的吧對,2004,2004開始建構那事實上就是說,其實在早期那個伊藤忠的前手你也知道是鼎興,是鼎興嘛\n頂星接手頂星所以我們事實上我們大家都非常非常的擔心就是說這個也是一個我們臺灣的一個本土的一個投資的一個指標的一個標的物\n您的營收期待能轉強,如果從2013年的108億到2023年的22億,其實成長了兩倍。\n其實如果10年前成長2倍可是那時候臺灣的總體的GDP才15兆那現在是23.5兆其實這個中間有一個1.6倍所以我們期待就是說你的\n銀收轉強的底氣是非常強的那再回到大家關心的就是說你先生的這個德傑集團那其實在這個2022年這個是陽明海運他投下了就是說他租了一個業他的費用好像是500萬\n我跟您報告一下因為它是整棟樓然後跟您報告一下在那個今年的那個國泰金控的光雕呢我們的金額高於這個超多的所以每一個廣告呢它有不一樣的case\n主席主席是一樣的\n每一家我們總共有10家企業所有的條件都一樣等一下等一下我們每一個企業我們每一個企業可以有8個字所有的問題怎麼會是我們等一下呢你應該讓我把問題問完啊對不起\n賴惠員\n謝謝賴兆偉、謝謝賈董\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.309 --> 00:10.419\n謝謝主席有請那個兆豐金控董董事長還有佳永傑董事長有請兆豐金控董董事長還有佳永傑董事長\n\n00:19.538 --> 00:40.907\n兩位董事長早安我先請教一下我們的兆豐獨董事長是要跟您請教就是說在兩週前那個中租低合發布了一個重大的信息他表示說董事會已經通過了跟兆豐銀行簽訂了一個65億的一個連帶案那連帶的一個合約這是事實嘛對不對是\n\n00:50.913 --> 01:10.032\n中租敵核在把這個錢從我們兆豐借到了這個65億的一個連帶案的一個授信的一個合約這些錢會不會流向汽車貸款還是先買後戶跟不動產的一個融資呢那董事長你怎麼樣看這個\n\n01:12.308 --> 01:29.663\n我們通常在受信的時候受信合約裡面我們都有提到就是說他的資金用途是受到限制的所以如果說他資金用途是已經違背原本我們所訂的合約的話那我們當然會有一些措施啊比如說加碼啦或是減額度啦或是說要求他部分或全部提前還款\n\n01:30.703 --> 01:45.604\n所以董事長如果像你這樣講的話你會是一個穿透式的一個管理就是說所有我們年代借給他的這個65億他不能去做汽車的貸款然後也不能去做先租後買\n\n01:47.425 --> 02:11.034\n先買後戶,也不會留到房地產去嗎?報告委員,如果他是屬於企業所租用的汽車而不是個人,因為我們所規範是,就他不能做個人的租賃啦,他如果是,譬如說我是一家公司,那我的公司我需要租車,那我就跟租賃公司來租,那這樣是可以的。\n\n02:11.294 --> 02:24.995\n所以董事長你講的非常清楚嘛他可以把錢借給法人可是不能借給個人那他的真信如果要借給個人的話他的真信必須要是周全的所以這些你們都會監督他\n\n02:27.103 --> 02:49.772\n這些你們都會監督他?對,我們要看單據的除了看單據以外,你們還會去注重什麼?當然我們每一個案件我們都會有所謂AOAO的話就會去看公司的營運狀況跟他所有資金的流向這些其實我們都會控管的都會控管的?那是每個月控管的?對,因為還是每季?\n\n02:50.987 --> 02:53.532\n這個定期的話會不會是一年一次還是每一季一次\n\n03:04.912 --> 03:29.329\n我們一般檢討的話大概就定期大概說三個月左右啦好這個三個月啦因為我們會有固定一個檢討機制啦好杜董事長我想這個穿透式的一個管理對這個主任公司的一個約束是非常重要的所以說我們也期待就是說我們也不要污名化啦那我們也希望就是說它可以就是慢慢的導入一個正軌\n\n03:30.049 --> 03:30.069\n賴惠員\n\n03:47.090 --> 03:49.171\n主席好委員早安在這裡跟你探討臺北101還是臺灣101\n\n04:04.079 --> 04:17.684\n臺灣101是那我們也知道就是說你從這個9月3號上任以後你也一直做了很多很多的一個努力那如果我們從臺北市的主要的一個關關的遊客人數上來調查的話\n\n04:19.766 --> 04:36.759\n這份調查圖是從2022年到2014年11月的統計總表我們整體來看的話不管是西門町還是松山文創、陽明山還是臺北101其實臺北101是排序第四我在這裡請教賈董事長就是說\n\n04:42.823 --> 05:08.830\n臺北101這一個國家是以哪一個國家的遊客為主目前其實國家就是國外觀光客來客數占比最多的是韓國人但是對但是呢我必須跟您報告一下就是在9月份開始就是我們陸陸續續尤其是到了11月我們夢想高飛的棒球展開始的時候呢日本遊客增加了86%在整個總體\n\n05:12.051 --> 05:12.071\n賴惠員\n\n05:41.372 --> 06:08.971\n所以從頭到尾那你說你大量的就是那個播放臺灣的一個在地的流行音樂是那我們也當然希望就是說你可以帶到周邊的遊客這個經濟效應你有沒有去評估它它會帶動了多少的一個遊客人數跟經濟效應呢我想跟委員今天報告的就是說我們目前對我有一個部分需要更正剛才那個\n\n06:11.174 --> 06:38.073\n剛才我們的同事趕快立刻跟我說因為光雕的贊助的部分這一次是國泰金控麻煩所有的媒體朋友們幫我稍微更正一下是國泰金控在這個部分我們在觀光署的就是近的觀光的人數上面我覺得其實是會大幅的增加因為其實CNN已經將我們的煙火跨年煙火\n\n06:39.474 --> 06:40.455\n我從101的一個表現必須要轉向\n\n06:56.784 --> 06:58.005\n關井台遊客人數最高240萬\n\n07:17.852 --> 07:36.983\n這個時候有入客這個是最高的一直到2021年這個是因為疫情所以它變少了2023慢慢又爬升到了2024其實現在已經回到一個最穩定的狀況那又有其實還是有差委員你看然後我要問你2025\n\n07:42.165 --> 08:10.414\n對,我要問你2025你預計它會怎麼樣轉強呢?你有什麼樣的一個計畫呢?我2025年呢我們在觀景台呢其實我們因為這次的展覽呢真的是非常的成功所以接下來呢我們還是會用這種主題展覽的形式那整個用主題展覽的形式呢增加我們的整個的來客數尤其是我們的國人我們的國人其實很多人沒有上去過所以在這邊希望\n\n08:11.154 --> 08:27.367\n我們都可以來捧場就是說光景台的一個遊客的人數的一個指標我們看到了就是101的營收的一個表現是沒錯很顯然就是說這個已經跨出了一個非常重要的穩定的一步\n\n08:27.887 --> 08:35.172\n那在2025你期待它會有多少人我期待應該可以到180萬耶180萬對好我們現在就把2025列為180萬人次好那就是一個目標那接著\n\n08:43.117 --> 09:07.027\n接著就是說我們再來跟你探討就是說這個101公司的一個股權的結構是那這個股權的結構事實上就是說在我們再上一頁再上一頁對在這裡這個剛才講得很清楚那郭公文委員又請教你就是說伊藤忠這個投資的股份有限公司他其實佔了37.17%是我們最大股東\n\n09:10.088 --> 09:28.796\n對,是我們最大的股東是民股會去轉關股還是關股會去轉民股這個其實它這一個就是說外商的一個投資這個是一個非常大的一個轉換的一個標的物那當然我們也很重視這個案子\n\n09:31.077 --> 09:31.297\n李慧琼議員\n\n10:01.698 --> 10:27.476\n是宏國嗎?對,是宏國,2024它是全世界最高的一個立建築我想這個整體就是說,其實基本上啦2004年蓋的吧對,2004,2004開始建構那事實上就是說,其實在早期那個伊藤忠的前手你也知道是鼎興,是鼎興嘛\n\n10:29.317 --> 10:44.626\n頂星接手頂星所以我們事實上我們大家都非常非常的擔心就是說這個也是一個我們臺灣的一個本土的一個投資的一個指標的一個標的物\n\n10:45.566 --> 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sorry！"],["賴委員惠員：再提醒你一次，公益的點燈還是商業的廣告，這個部分請你三思，目前為止你都表現得非常好，不要落入被大家說你是公器私用啊！"],["賈董事長永媫：好啦！謝謝。"],["賴委員惠員：這是我們大家對你的期待。"],["賈董事長永媫：是，謝謝。"],["賴委員惠員：謝謝主席。"],["主席：謝謝賴召委，謝謝賈董。"],["主席（賴委員惠員）：謝謝顏寬恒委員。","接著請顏寬恒委員發言。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":82,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-20-12","speakers":["賴惠員","林德福","吳秉叡","賴士葆","郭國文","顏寬恒","黃珊珊","李坤城","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","鄭正鈐","張啓楷","楊瓊瓔","羅明才","王世堅","王鴻薇","陳玉珍"],"page_start":1,"meetingDate":["2024-12-23"],"gazette_id":"1141101","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1141101_00002"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期財政委員會第12次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請財政部莊部長翠雲、金融監督管理委員會彭主任委員金隆就「兆豐金控及臺灣證券交易所投\n資之台北金融大樓股份有限公司2024年營運成效、2025年度經營計畫與展望、暨跨年晚會煙火表\n演規劃」進行專題報告，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1141101_00001"}}}