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00:01:23,147\n還是有嘛你還是要有一些硬體的設施還是會有一些預算那反正就是同事們提報了這個預算之後我說其實我們可以用一個節省的方式然後又更有效益更好玩的方式來做宣傳所以呢我就先跟王世堅委員我不知道你有沒有看到那個影片那個先導的影片我有看過阿對對對所以我們這是有步驟的\n\n5\n00:01:23,908 --> 00:01:35,157\n我們先跟王世堅委員先導影片跟這個後來這個模擬的煙火影片我都有看過是所以呢王世堅委員開了這個影片之後重點在於我是說這個宣導的這個影片就是你這個跨年煙火的這個75秒的影片這個也是先在你的個人臉書上面先放出來的\n\n6\n00:01:44,465 --> 00:01:44,625\n董事長\n\n7\n00:02:06,901 --> 00:02:28,297\n委員這樣子才會有流量我用我的個人的流量share給了101的流量101的流量才能被我養起來當然你個人流量是大於101可是就是說我認為這樣做其實是本末倒置其實你應該是你身為101董事長你是這個101的代表人你不是只有你個人而已\n\n8\n00:02:28,877 --> 00:02:55,055\n所以其實你應該是先放在101的這一個開個記者會然後放完之後你再用個人的臉書再把它導流到你的個人臉書上面記者會花錢我這樣我才花了一萬塊錢那今天是因為你是101的董事長那你是賈永傑你是具有高知名度但是我是認為說這個你還是要考慮一下次序是先有101才有這個賈永傑董事長\n\n9\n00:02:56,076 --> 00:03:14,753\n不是先有佳永傑才有這個101不是先有101這個跨年煙火可是我把我的這個流量也是串回去啊我們是一個共通的平台啊那你也可以開個記者會之後然後再把這個影片再導入你個人的這個留言書上面一樣可以啊可是我就不想花這個錢嘛\n\n10\n00:03:20,144 --> 00:03:40,401\n因為這個預算就是審下來了之後這是給你一個建議啦以後你要先想到的是你個人你是佳穎傑但是你現在同時也是101的董事長101董事長的身份其實要大於你個人的佳穎傑可是他這樣101就沒有流量嘛\n\n11\n00:03:41,428 --> 00:03:42,548\n你說哪一個預算?\n\n12\n00:04:09,162 --> 00:04:36,052\n跨年煙火的預算其實呢是由我們的觀光署全額的這個贊助還有加上中華電信還有我們的證交所對那所以這個沒有花到沒有記者會的預算沒有花到101的預算你說在整個預算方面嗎對煙火的預算是沒有都是觀光署是觀光署是花多少錢觀光署大部分然後中華電信還有證交所各多少啊\n\n13\n00:04:37,014 --> 00:04:43,785\n嗯,可是他們說這個數字我不能說欸對,數字不能說對這個數字為什麼不能說嗯,我們公司這邊是說數字不能說這應該可以說吧,這數字為什麼不能說那你會後再給我資料\n\n14\n00:04:51,940 --> 00:05:09,480\n好喔那其實這兩千萬齁其實我看了一下這個歷屆的這個煙火這兩千萬其實不是算多啦是其實算是算是偏少的預算當然這個預算是在你來之前就已經編訂了啦是那所以也期待啦這個在有限的預算裡面齁這個創造出這一個\n\n15\n00:05:10,862 --> 00:05:10,882\n請次長\n\n16\n00:05:42,550 --> 00:05:48,016\n市長請教一下這一個禮拜五通過這個財化法你是哪時候拿到版本的?\n\n17\n00:05:49,133 --> 00:06:11,923\n什麼時候拿到版本啊對啊就是當天在議場的時候不斷的傳過來不斷的傳過來一休再休三休之後你才拿到這個版本因為我們在試算的時候第一個版本還沒試算完第二版本又出來第二版本還沒試算完第三版本又出來所以之前就是國民黨跟民眾黨也都沒有找你們在做溝通就對了沒有沒有就是當天晚上\n\n18\n00:06:12,383 --> 00:06:12,563\n李坤城議員\n\n19\n00:06:28,295 --> 00:06:35,020\n我請教一下就是說如果按照這個通過的版本這個隨時分配拿走這個3753億之後然後我們有一些這個福利政策我剛才舉的這些例子包含租0到2歲育兒津貼等等這些補助\n\n20\n00:06:57,535 --> 00:07:12,195\n本來的版本呢這個比如說租屋補貼的話每戶每月是2000到14400然後呢如果國民黨財務法通過之後呢會少了600到4320那大概都是少三分之一左右嗎你們按照這個比例來說來試算了嗎\n\n21\n00:07:14,478 --> 00:07:29,839\n我們是按照他的那個分配比例第一個是按照先算垂直的垂直看市值多少然後再按照他的那個水平分配的那一條那你看一下我這邊想的這個租屋補貼或是0到2歲育兒津貼這個都會少的部分的話\n\n22\n00:07:30,919 --> 00:07:48,636\n那這個0到2歲月的今天現在每個月是5000到7000然後如果財化法通過之後會少到1500到2100那這個這部分可能我們還要再跟這個總署那邊做最後的盤點因為按照比例來講的話大概會少了三分之一左右嗎\n\n23\n00:07:50,157 --> 00:07:52,778\n那原本我們都是中央就補助地方那如果說這個採訪通過之後勒\n\n24\n00:08:20,189 --> 00:08:39,240\n這些補助的經費是還要再給地方嗎?還是從他們這個統籌分配款拿到之後自己再去做處理?這一部分我們在七級跟這個主席總書在做盤點那至於說將來未來要怎麼因應那我想我們這一部分會提出一個對策出來\n\n25\n00:08:40,020 --> 00:08:40,220\n李坤城議員\n\n26\n00:08:59,969 --> 00:09:18,635\n你來看一下比如說像這一個我來分前瞻預算跟這一個計畫型補助的預算然後在左邊這個是前瞻預算前瞻預算本來也是到明年就結束了接下來就是要編到這一個各相關部會的預算裡面譬如說我講這一個捷運的部分\n\n27\n00:09:19,395 --> 00:09:37,433\n然後呢這個接下來編到這一個交通部的部分來講的話那其實也沒有這麼多錢在編進去了那所以以後中央跟地方的這個補助支線的比例的話是不是也要做調整這一部分我剛才講因為這一部分真的是涉及到主席總書的職權\n\n28\n00:09:38,874 --> 00:09:58,439\n所以我們會跟他做充分的溝通但是因為現在因為你們的錢少了啊一定錢少對啊而且現在就是一般的補助款他有第30條裡面有規定說不能少於前一年度的這個額度嘛所以我們現在可以動的可能就是大概就是計畫性補助那計畫性補助呢要怎麼檢法\n\n29\n00:10:00,279 --> 00:10:19,485\n計劃性補助我再跟你講到說右手邊那個是114年的這個計劃性補助然後像這一個我自己在新北市的部分的話你看有交通建設、治水的經費、交易的經費還有社福的經費等等那所以說過去比如說在114年的話\n\n30\n00:10:21,966 --> 00:10:41,054\n中央有補助新北市的話有351億計畫型的補助然後未來這些計畫型的補助的話那是不是也應該都會受到影響一定會受到影響因為我們中央的垂直的那部分就少了3700多億然後出去以後中央的財源從哪邊來\n\n31\n00:10:46,246 --> 00:11:04,378\n所以我的意思是說當地方政府多拿到這一些統籌分配款之後本來的這個計畫性補助是不是會受到影響然後未來的計畫性補助比如說就是本來有這個育兒津貼然後我們對於這個學校的補助或是說這個核酸整治的經費等等\n\n32\n00:11:04,818 --> 00:11:28,656\n那是不是未來就是要由這個地方的這個統籌分配館這邊多支出一點這個就因為這一部分就是統籌稅館因為地方已經大幅度增加了嘛對所以有關的這計畫性的補助很可能會做一個調整但是怎麼調整我們還要再跟總統在那邊討論主席我在最後一分鐘是這個我有收到這一個齁這個財政部給我的這一個\n\n33\n00:11:29,817 --> 00:11:55,517\n今年度一到十月非實名制網路社群平台投放廣告情況那因為之前這個包含這個兆豐銀行他們已經講了就是說他們就是不投放廣告在這一個這個非實名制的這個網路平台但是我有看到你們要做個檢討從明年度開始這個在這個財政部所屬機關呢這個今年度到十月大概有一千多萬投放到這一個非實名制的這個網路廣告\n\n34\n00:11:56,758 --> 00:12:23,018\n然後呢在這一個你們的所屬機構包含這個泛公股銀行有接有將近8400多億投放到這個非這個實名制的這些網友那從明年度開始那我看尤其這個臺灣煙酒公司有3700多萬從明年度開始這個財政部能不能就是約束一下包含你們自己所屬的機關還有這一些所屬的機構還有泛公股銀行\n\n35\n00:12:23,998 --> 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董事長好是這個101這一次今年這個要放的跨年煙火是其實我有先看到這個預告片是大概好像70幾秒不過這個預告片好像是先從你個人的這個臉書上面先放出來確實是那跟平常的做法不太一樣\n35299\t36259\t不會啦,你來開記者會不用花什麼預算\n58764\t83147\t還是有嘛你還是要有一些硬體的設施還是會有一些預算那反正就是同事們提報了這個預算之後我說其實我們可以用一個節省的方式然後又更有效益更好玩的方式來做宣傳所以呢我就先跟王世堅委員我不知道你有沒有看到那個影片那個先導的影片我有看過阿對對對所以我們這是有步驟的\n83908\t95157\t我們先跟王世堅委員先導影片跟這個後來這個模擬的煙火影片我都有看過是所以呢王世堅委員開了這個影片之後重點在於我是說這個宣導的這個影片就是你這個跨年煙火的這個75秒的影片這個也是先在你的個人臉書上面先放出來的\n104465\t104625\t董事長\n126901\t148297\t委員這樣子才會有流量我用我的個人的流量share給了101的流量101的流量才能被我養起來當然你個人流量是大於101可是就是說我認為這樣做其實是本末倒置其實你應該是你身為101董事長你是這個101的代表人你不是只有你個人而已\n148877\t175055\t所以其實你應該是先放在101的這一個開個記者會然後放完之後你再用個人的臉書再把它導流到你的個人臉書上面記者會花錢我這樣我才花了一萬塊錢那今天是因為你是101的董事長那你是賈永傑你是具有高知名度但是我是認為說這個你還是要考慮一下次序是先有101才有這個賈永傑董事長\n176076\t194753\t不是先有佳永傑才有這個101不是先有101這個跨年煙火可是我把我的這個流量也是串回去啊我們是一個共通的平台啊那你也可以開個記者會之後然後再把這個影片再導入你個人的這個留言書上面一樣可以啊可是我就不想花這個錢嘛\n200144\t220401\t因為這個預算就是審下來了之後這是給你一個建議啦以後你要先想到的是你個人你是佳穎傑但是你現在同時也是101的董事長101董事長的身份其實要大於你個人的佳穎傑可是他這樣101就沒有流量嘛\n221428\t222548\t你說哪一個預算?\n249162\t276052\t跨年煙火的預算其實呢是由我們的觀光署全額的這個贊助還有加上中華電信還有我們的證交所對那所以這個沒有花到沒有記者會的預算沒有花到101的預算你說在整個預算方面嗎對煙火的預算是沒有都是觀光署是觀光署是花多少錢觀光署大部分然後中華電信還有證交所各多少啊\n277014\t283785\t嗯,可是他們說這個數字我不能說欸對,數字不能說對這個數字為什麼不能說嗯,我們公司這邊是說數字不能說這應該可以說吧,這數字為什麼不能說那你會後再給我資料\n291940\t309480\t好喔那其實這兩千萬齁其實我看了一下這個歷屆的這個煙火這兩千萬其實不是算多啦是其實算是算是偏少的預算當然這個預算是在你來之前就已經編訂了啦是那所以也期待啦這個在有限的預算裡面齁這個創造出這一個\n310862\t310882\t請次長\n342550\t348016\t市長請教一下這一個禮拜五通過這個財化法你是哪時候拿到版本的?\n349133\t371923\t什麼時候拿到版本啊對啊就是當天在議場的時候不斷的傳過來不斷的傳過來一休再休三休之後你才拿到這個版本因為我們在試算的時候第一個版本還沒試算完第二版本又出來第二版本還沒試算完第三版本又出來所以之前就是國民黨跟民眾黨也都沒有找你們在做溝通就對了沒有沒有就是當天晚上\n372383\t372563\t李坤城議員\n388295\t395020\t我請教一下就是說如果按照這個通過的版本這個隨時分配拿走這個3753億之後然後我們有一些這個福利政策我剛才舉的這些例子包含租0到2歲育兒津貼等等這些補助\n417535\t432195\t本來的版本呢這個比如說租屋補貼的話每戶每月是2000到14400然後呢如果國民黨財務法通過之後呢會少了600到4320那大概都是少三分之一左右嗎你們按照這個比例來說來試算了嗎\n434478\t449839\t我們是按照他的那個分配比例第一個是按照先算垂直的垂直看市值多少然後再按照他的那個水平分配的那一條那你看一下我這邊想的這個租屋補貼或是0到2歲育兒津貼這個都會少的部分的話\n450919\t468636\t那這個0到2歲月的今天現在每個月是5000到7000然後如果財化法通過之後會少到1500到2100那這個這部分可能我們還要再跟這個總署那邊做最後的盤點因為按照比例來講的話大概會少了三分之一左右嗎\n470157\t472778\t那原本我們都是中央就補助地方那如果說這個採訪通過之後勒\n500189\t519240\t這些補助的經費是還要再給地方嗎?還是從他們這個統籌分配款拿到之後自己再去做處理?這一部分我們在七級跟這個主席總書在做盤點那至於說將來未來要怎麼因應那我想我們這一部分會提出一個對策出來\n520020\t520220\t李坤城議員\n539969\t558635\t你來看一下比如說像這一個我來分前瞻預算跟這一個計畫型補助的預算然後在左邊這個是前瞻預算前瞻預算本來也是到明年就結束了接下來就是要編到這一個各相關部會的預算裡面譬如說我講這一個捷運的部分\n559395\t577433\t然後呢這個接下來編到這一個交通部的部分來講的話那其實也沒有這麼多錢在編進去了那所以以後中央跟地方的這個補助支線的比例的話是不是也要做調整這一部分我剛才講因為這一部分真的是涉及到主席總書的職權\n578874\t598439\t所以我們會跟他做充分的溝通但是因為現在因為你們的錢少了啊一定錢少對啊而且現在就是一般的補助款他有第30條裡面有規定說不能少於前一年度的這個額度嘛所以我們現在可以動的可能就是大概就是計畫性補助那計畫性補助呢要怎麼檢法\n600279\t619485\t計劃性補助我再跟你講到說右手邊那個是114年的這個計劃性補助然後像這一個我自己在新北市的部分的話你看有交通建設、治水的經費、交易的經費還有社福的經費等等那所以說過去比如說在114年的話\n621966\t641054\t中央有補助新北市的話有351億計畫型的補助然後未來這些計畫型的補助的話那是不是也應該都會受到影響一定會受到影響因為我們中央的垂直的那部分就少了3700多億然後出去以後中央的財源從哪邊來\n646246\t664378\t所以我的意思是說當地方政府多拿到這一些統籌分配款之後本來的這個計畫性補助是不是會受到影響然後未來的計畫性補助比如說就是本來有這個育兒津貼然後我們對於這個學校的補助或是說這個核酸整治的經費等等\n664818\t688656\t那是不是未來就是要由這個地方的這個統籌分配館這邊多支出一點這個就因為這一部分就是統籌稅館因為地方已經大幅度增加了嘛對所以有關的這計畫性的補助很可能會做一個調整但是怎麼調整我們還要再跟總統在那邊討論主席我在最後一分鐘是這個我有收到這一個齁這個財政部給我的這一個\n689817\t715517\t今年度一到十月非實名制網路社群平台投放廣告情況那因為之前這個包含這個兆豐銀行他們已經講了就是說他們就是不投放廣告在這一個這個非實名制的這個網路平台但是我有看到你們要做個檢討從明年度開始這個在這個財政部所屬機關呢這個今年度到十月大概有一千多萬投放到這一個非實名制的這個網路廣告\n716758\t743018\t然後呢在這一個你們的所屬機構包含這個泛公股銀行有接有將近8400多億投放到這個非這個實名制的這些網友那從明年度開始那我看尤其這個臺灣煙酒公司有3700多萬從明年度開始這個財政部能不能就是約束一下包含你們自己所屬的機關還有這一些所屬的機構還有泛公股銀行\n743998\t772781\t這個不要再花經費投放在這一個沒有實名制的這個網路平台上面所以我們來努力了我們來努力現在最主要就是說我們現在公股的行庫或者是我們行政機關我們這一部分可以盡量來努力但是現在問題就是民營的事業它沒有辦法跟進沒有辦法跟進所以變成就是說公股的就是一定要投在這個實名制的但是民營的它投在這個非實名制的那非實名制的這你們要來要求啊這打仗齁\n773802\t800148\t這個打詐就是政府要是全體一致要來做處理的所以我們我跟委員報告就是最重要就是說因為剛才我們這些說要投放到這個實名制那邊是自發性的所以我們要的是一個強制性的所以我說未來這個新打詐釋法式的落實是很重要的一步對啊你們現在就是要落實啊就要求你們落實啊就是你們那個公股銀行就是帶頭開始要做啊你們所屬機構要帶頭開始來做啊已經\n802708\t803688\t謝謝李坤城委員接著請吳立法委員發言\n","txt":"謝謝主席那先請這個101的這個賈董事長賈董事長\n委員好來 董事長好是這個101這一次今年這個要放的跨年煙火是其實我有先看到這個預告片是大概好像70幾秒不過這個預告片好像是先從你個人的這個臉書上面先放出來確實是那跟平常的做法不太一樣\n不會啦,你來開記者會不用花什麼預算\n還是有嘛你還是要有一些硬體的設施還是會有一些預算那反正就是同事們提報了這個預算之後我說其實我們可以用一個節省的方式然後又更有效益更好玩的方式來做宣傳所以呢我就先跟王世堅委員我不知道你有沒有看到那個影片那個先導的影片我有看過阿對對對所以我們這是有步驟的\n我們先跟王世堅委員先導影片跟這個後來這個模擬的煙火影片我都有看過是所以呢王世堅委員開了這個影片之後重點在於我是說這個宣導的這個影片就是你這個跨年煙火的這個75秒的影片這個也是先在你的個人臉書上面先放出來的\n董事長\n委員這樣子才會有流量我用我的個人的流量share給了101的流量101的流量才能被我養起來當然你個人流量是大於101可是就是說我認為這樣做其實是本末倒置其實你應該是你身為101董事長你是這個101的代表人你不是只有你個人而已\n所以其實你應該是先放在101的這一個開個記者會然後放完之後你再用個人的臉書再把它導流到你的個人臉書上面記者會花錢我這樣我才花了一萬塊錢那今天是因為你是101的董事長那你是賈永傑你是具有高知名度但是我是認為說這個你還是要考慮一下次序是先有101才有這個賈永傑董事長\n不是先有佳永傑才有這個101不是先有101這個跨年煙火可是我把我的這個流量也是串回去啊我們是一個共通的平台啊那你也可以開個記者會之後然後再把這個影片再導入你個人的這個留言書上面一樣可以啊可是我就不想花這個錢嘛\n因為這個預算就是審下來了之後這是給你一個建議啦以後你要先想到的是你個人你是佳穎傑但是你現在同時也是101的董事長101董事長的身份其實要大於你個人的佳穎傑可是他這樣101就沒有流量嘛\n你說哪一個預算?\n跨年煙火的預算其實呢是由我們的觀光署全額的這個贊助還有加上中華電信還有我們的證交所對那所以這個沒有花到沒有記者會的預算沒有花到101的預算你說在整個預算方面嗎對煙火的預算是沒有都是觀光署是觀光署是花多少錢觀光署大部分然後中華電信還有證交所各多少啊\n嗯,可是他們說這個數字我不能說欸對,數字不能說對這個數字為什麼不能說嗯,我們公司這邊是說數字不能說這應該可以說吧,這數字為什麼不能說那你會後再給我資料\n好喔那其實這兩千萬齁其實我看了一下這個歷屆的這個煙火這兩千萬其實不是算多啦是其實算是算是偏少的預算當然這個預算是在你來之前就已經編訂了啦是那所以也期待啦這個在有限的預算裡面齁這個創造出這一個\n請次長\n市長請教一下這一個禮拜五通過這個財化法你是哪時候拿到版本的?\n什麼時候拿到版本啊對啊就是當天在議場的時候不斷的傳過來不斷的傳過來一休再休三休之後你才拿到這個版本因為我們在試算的時候第一個版本還沒試算完第二版本又出來第二版本還沒試算完第三版本又出來所以之前就是國民黨跟民眾黨也都沒有找你們在做溝通就對了沒有沒有就是當天晚上\n李坤城議員\n我請教一下就是說如果按照這個通過的版本這個隨時分配拿走這個3753億之後然後我們有一些這個福利政策我剛才舉的這些例子包含租0到2歲育兒津貼等等這些補助\n本來的版本呢這個比如說租屋補貼的話每戶每月是2000到14400然後呢如果國民黨財務法通過之後呢會少了600到4320那大概都是少三分之一左右嗎你們按照這個比例來說來試算了嗎\n我們是按照他的那個分配比例第一個是按照先算垂直的垂直看市值多少然後再按照他的那個水平分配的那一條那你看一下我這邊想的這個租屋補貼或是0到2歲育兒津貼這個都會少的部分的話\n那這個0到2歲月的今天現在每個月是5000到7000然後如果財化法通過之後會少到1500到2100那這個這部分可能我們還要再跟這個總署那邊做最後的盤點因為按照比例來講的話大概會少了三分之一左右嗎\n那原本我們都是中央就補助地方那如果說這個採訪通過之後勒\n這些補助的經費是還要再給地方嗎?還是從他們這個統籌分配款拿到之後自己再去做處理?這一部分我們在七級跟這個主席總書在做盤點那至於說將來未來要怎麼因應那我想我們這一部分會提出一個對策出來\n李坤城議員\n你來看一下比如說像這一個我來分前瞻預算跟這一個計畫型補助的預算然後在左邊這個是前瞻預算前瞻預算本來也是到明年就結束了接下來就是要編到這一個各相關部會的預算裡面譬如說我講這一個捷運的部分\n然後呢這個接下來編到這一個交通部的部分來講的話那其實也沒有這麼多錢在編進去了那所以以後中央跟地方的這個補助支線的比例的話是不是也要做調整這一部分我剛才講因為這一部分真的是涉及到主席總書的職權\n所以我們會跟他做充分的溝通但是因為現在因為你們的錢少了啊一定錢少對啊而且現在就是一般的補助款他有第30條裡面有規定說不能少於前一年度的這個額度嘛所以我們現在可以動的可能就是大概就是計畫性補助那計畫性補助呢要怎麼檢法\n計劃性補助我再跟你講到說右手邊那個是114年的這個計劃性補助然後像這一個我自己在新北市的部分的話你看有交通建設、治水的經費、交易的經費還有社福的經費等等那所以說過去比如說在114年的話\n中央有補助新北市的話有351億計畫型的補助然後未來這些計畫型的補助的話那是不是也應該都會受到影響一定會受到影響因為我們中央的垂直的那部分就少了3700多億然後出去以後中央的財源從哪邊來\n所以我的意思是說當地方政府多拿到這一些統籌分配款之後本來的這個計畫性補助是不是會受到影響然後未來的計畫性補助比如說就是本來有這個育兒津貼然後我們對於這個學校的補助或是說這個核酸整治的經費等等\n那是不是未來就是要由這個地方的這個統籌分配館這邊多支出一點這個就因為這一部分就是統籌稅館因為地方已經大幅度增加了嘛對所以有關的這計畫性的補助很可能會做一個調整但是怎麼調整我們還要再跟總統在那邊討論主席我在最後一分鐘是這個我有收到這一個齁這個財政部給我的這一個\n今年度一到十月非實名制網路社群平台投放廣告情況那因為之前這個包含這個兆豐銀行他們已經講了就是說他們就是不投放廣告在這一個這個非實名制的這個網路平台但是我有看到你們要做個檢討從明年度開始這個在這個財政部所屬機關呢這個今年度到十月大概有一千多萬投放到這一個非實名制的這個網路廣告\n然後呢在這一個你們的所屬機構包含這個泛公股銀行有接有將近8400多億投放到這個非這個實名制的這些網友那從明年度開始那我看尤其這個臺灣煙酒公司有3700多萬從明年度開始這個財政部能不能就是約束一下包含你們自己所屬的機關還有這一些所屬的機構還有泛公股銀行\n這個不要再花經費投放在這一個沒有實名制的這個網路平台上面所以我們來努力了我們來努力現在最主要就是說我們現在公股的行庫或者是我們行政機關我們這一部分可以盡量來努力但是現在問題就是民營的事業它沒有辦法跟進沒有辦法跟進所以變成就是說公股的就是一定要投在這個實名制的但是民營的它投在這個非實名制的那非實名制的這你們要來要求啊這打仗齁\n這個打詐就是政府要是全體一致要來做處理的所以我們我跟委員報告就是最重要就是說因為剛才我們這些說要投放到這個實名制那邊是自發性的所以我們要的是一個強制性的所以我說未來這個新打詐釋法式的落實是很重要的一步對啊你們現在就是要落實啊就要求你們落實啊就是你們那個公股銀行就是帶頭開始要做啊你們所屬機構要帶頭開始來做啊已經\n謝謝李坤城委員接著請吳立法委員發言\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.012 --> 00:02.716\n謝謝主席那先請這個101的這個賈董事長賈董事長\n\n00:18.154 --> 00:34.859\n委員好來董事長好是這個101這一次今年這個要放的跨年煙火是其實我有先看到這個預告片是大概好像70幾秒不過這個預告片好像是先從你個人的這個臉書上面先放出來確實是那跟平常的做法不太一樣\n\n00:35.299 --> 00:36.259\n不會啦,你來開記者會不用花什麼預算\n\n00:58.764 --> 01:23.147\n還是有嘛你還是要有一些硬體的設施還是會有一些預算那反正就是同事們提報了這個預算之後我說其實我們可以用一個節省的方式然後又更有效益更好玩的方式來做宣傳所以呢我就先跟王世堅委員我不知道你有沒有看到那個影片那個先導的影片我有看過阿對對對所以我們這是有步驟的\n\n01:23.908 --> 01:35.157\n我們先跟王世堅委員先導影片跟這個後來這個模擬的煙火影片我都有看過是所以呢王世堅委員開了這個影片之後重點在於我是說這個宣導的這個影片就是你這個跨年煙火的這個75秒的影片這個也是先在你的個人臉書上面先放出來的\n\n01:44.465 --> 01:44.625\n董事長\n\n02:06.901 --> 02:28.297\n委員這樣子才會有流量我用我的個人的流量share給了101的流量101的流量才能被我養起來當然你個人流量是大於101可是就是說我認為這樣做其實是本末倒置其實你應該是你身為101董事長你是這個101的代表人你不是只有你個人而已\n\n02:28.877 --> 02:55.055\n所以其實你應該是先放在101的這一個開個記者會然後放完之後你再用個人的臉書再把它導流到你的個人臉書上面記者會花錢我這樣我才花了一萬塊錢那今天是因為你是101的董事長那你是賈永傑你是具有高知名度但是我是認為說這個你還是要考慮一下次序是先有101才有這個賈永傑董事長\n\n02:56.076 --> 03:14.753\n不是先有佳永傑才有這個101不是先有101這個跨年煙火可是我把我的這個流量也是串回去啊我們是一個共通的平台啊那你也可以開個記者會之後然後再把這個影片再導入你個人的這個留言書上面一樣可以啊可是我就不想花這個錢嘛\n\n03:20.144 --> 03:40.401\n因為這個預算就是審下來了之後這是給你一個建議啦以後你要先想到的是你個人你是佳穎傑但是你現在同時也是101的董事長101董事長的身份其實要大於你個人的佳穎傑可是他這樣101就沒有流量嘛\n\n03:41.428 --> 03:42.548\n你說哪一個預算?\n\n04:09.162 --> 04:36.052\n跨年煙火的預算其實呢是由我們的觀光署全額的這個贊助還有加上中華電信還有我們的證交所對那所以這個沒有花到沒有記者會的預算沒有花到101的預算你說在整個預算方面嗎對煙火的預算是沒有都是觀光署是觀光署是花多少錢觀光署大部分然後中華電信還有證交所各多少啊\n\n04:37.014 --> 04:43.785\n嗯,可是他們說這個數字我不能說欸對,數字不能說對這個數字為什麼不能說嗯,我們公司這邊是說數字不能說這應該可以說吧,這數字為什麼不能說那你會後再給我資料\n\n04:51.940 --> 05:09.480\n好喔那其實這兩千萬齁其實我看了一下這個歷屆的這個煙火這兩千萬其實不是算多啦是其實算是算是偏少的預算當然這個預算是在你來之前就已經編訂了啦是那所以也期待啦這個在有限的預算裡面齁這個創造出這一個\n\n05:10.862 --> 05:10.882\n請次長\n\n05:42.550 --> 05:48.016\n市長請教一下這一個禮拜五通過這個財化法你是哪時候拿到版本的?\n\n05:49.133 --> 06:11.923\n什麼時候拿到版本啊對啊就是當天在議場的時候不斷的傳過來不斷的傳過來一休再休三休之後你才拿到這個版本因為我們在試算的時候第一個版本還沒試算完第二版本又出來第二版本還沒試算完第三版本又出來所以之前就是國民黨跟民眾黨也都沒有找你們在做溝通就對了沒有沒有就是當天晚上\n\n06:12.383 --> 06:12.563\n李坤城議員\n\n06:28.295 --> 06:35.020\n我請教一下就是說如果按照這個通過的版本這個隨時分配拿走這個3753億之後然後我們有一些這個福利政策我剛才舉的這些例子包含租0到2歲育兒津貼等等這些補助\n\n06:57.535 --> 07:12.195\n本來的版本呢這個比如說租屋補貼的話每戶每月是2000到14400然後呢如果國民黨財務法通過之後呢會少了600到4320那大概都是少三分之一左右嗎你們按照這個比例來說來試算了嗎\n\n07:14.478 --> 07:29.839\n我們是按照他的那個分配比例第一個是按照先算垂直的垂直看市值多少然後再按照他的那個水平分配的那一條那你看一下我這邊想的這個租屋補貼或是0到2歲育兒津貼這個都會少的部分的話\n\n07:30.919 --> 07:48.636\n那這個0到2歲月的今天現在每個月是5000到7000然後如果財化法通過之後會少到1500到2100那這個這部分可能我們還要再跟這個總署那邊做最後的盤點因為按照比例來講的話大概會少了三分之一左右嗎\n\n07:50.157 --> 07:52.778\n那原本我們都是中央就補助地方那如果說這個採訪通過之後勒\n\n08:20.189 --> 08:39.240\n這些補助的經費是還要再給地方嗎?還是從他們這個統籌分配款拿到之後自己再去做處理?這一部分我們在七級跟這個主席總書在做盤點那至於說將來未來要怎麼因應那我想我們這一部分會提出一個對策出來\n\n08:40.020 --> 08:40.220\n李坤城議員\n\n08:59.969 --> 09:18.635\n你來看一下比如說像這一個我來分前瞻預算跟這一個計畫型補助的預算然後在左邊這個是前瞻預算前瞻預算本來也是到明年就結束了接下來就是要編到這一個各相關部會的預算裡面譬如說我講這一個捷運的部分\n\n09:19.395 --> 09:37.433\n然後呢這個接下來編到這一個交通部的部分來講的話那其實也沒有這麼多錢在編進去了那所以以後中央跟地方的這個補助支線的比例的話是不是也要做調整這一部分我剛才講因為這一部分真的是涉及到主席總書的職權\n\n09:38.874 --> 09:58.439\n所以我們會跟他做充分的溝通但是因為現在因為你們的錢少了啊一定錢少對啊而且現在就是一般的補助款他有第30條裡面有規定說不能少於前一年度的這個額度嘛所以我們現在可以動的可能就是大概就是計畫性補助那計畫性補助呢要怎麼檢法\n\n10:00.279 --> 10:19.485\n計劃性補助我再跟你講到說右手邊那個是114年的這個計劃性補助然後像這一個我自己在新北市的部分的話你看有交通建設、治水的經費、交易的經費還有社福的經費等等那所以說過去比如說在114年的話\n\n10:21.966 --> 10:41.054\n中央有補助新北市的話有351億計畫型的補助然後未來這些計畫型的補助的話那是不是也應該都會受到影響一定會受到影響因為我們中央的垂直的那部分就少了3700多億然後出去以後中央的財源從哪邊來\n\n10:46.246 --> 11:04.378\n所以我的意思是說當地方政府多拿到這一些統籌分配款之後本來的這個計畫性補助是不是會受到影響然後未來的計畫性補助比如說就是本來有這個育兒津貼然後我們對於這個學校的補助或是說這個核酸整治的經費等等\n\n11:04.818 --> 11:28.656\n那是不是未來就是要由這個地方的這個統籌分配館這邊多支出一點這個就因為這一部分就是統籌稅館因為地方已經大幅度增加了嘛對所以有關的這計畫性的補助很可能會做一個調整但是怎麼調整我們還要再跟總統在那邊討論主席我在最後一分鐘是這個我有收到這一個齁這個財政部給我的這一個\n\n11:29.817 --> 11:55.517\n今年度一到十月非實名制網路社群平台投放廣告情況那因為之前這個包含這個兆豐銀行他們已經講了就是說他們就是不投放廣告在這一個這個非實名制的這個網路平台但是我有看到你們要做個檢討從明年度開始這個在這個財政部所屬機關呢這個今年度到十月大概有一千多萬投放到這一個非實名制的這個網路廣告\n\n11:56.758 --> 12:23.018\n然後呢在這一個你們的所屬機構包含這個泛公股銀行有接有將近8400多億投放到這個非這個實名制的這些網友那從明年度開始那我看尤其這個臺灣煙酒公司有3700多萬從明年度開始這個財政部能不能就是約束一下包含你們自己所屬的機關還有這一些所屬的機構還有泛公股銀行\n\n12:23.998 --> 12:52.781\n這個不要再花經費投放在這一個沒有實名制的這個網路平台上面所以我們來努力了我們來努力現在最主要就是說我們現在公股的行庫或者是我們行政機關我們這一部分可以盡量來努力但是現在問題就是民營的事業它沒有辦法跟進沒有辦法跟進所以變成就是說公股的就是一定要投在這個實名制的但是民營的它投在這個非實名制的那非實名制的這你們要來要求啊這打仗齁\n\n12:53.802 --> 13:20.148\n這個打詐就是政府要是全體一致要來做處理的所以我們我跟委員報告就是最重要就是說因為剛才我們這些說要投放到這個實名制那邊是自發性的所以我們要的是一個強制性的所以我說未來這個新打詐釋法式的落實是很重要的一步對啊你們現在就是要落實啊就要求你們落實啊就是你們那個公股銀行就是帶頭開始要做啊你們所屬機構要帶頭開始來做啊已經\n\n13:22.708 --> 13:23.688\n謝謝李坤城委員接著請吳立法委員發言\n\n","segments":[{"start":1.012,"end":2.716,"text":"謝謝主席那先請這個101的這個賈董事長賈董事長"},{"start":18.154,"end":34.859,"text":"委員好來 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……"],["李委員坤城：重點在於跨年煙火這個75秒的影片，也是先在你的個人臉書放出來。"],["賈董事長永媫：是啊！一定要這樣啊！因為我們已經不花記者會的錢了，如何讓這個影片能夠快速宣傳出去？當然是從我的個人臉書串接到101的協作單位，不管是Mall的官方網站，還是公司的官方網站，還是我們OB的官方網站，全部串聯起來。委員，這樣才會有流量，我將個人臉書的流量share給101，這樣101的流量才能被我養起來。"],["李委員坤城：對啦！董事長。當然，你的個人臉書流量大於101啦！"],["賈董事長永媫：是啊！"],["李委員坤城：可是我認為這樣做其實是本末倒置啦！"],["賈董事長永媫：為什麼？"],["李委員坤城：因為你身為101的董事長，也是101的代表人，不是只代表你個人而已。所以應該是先在101開記者會，放出影片之後，再把它導流到你的個人臉書上面。"],["賈董事長永媫：可是開記者會要花錢，我們這樣做才花了1萬元耶！"],["李委員坤城：今天你是101的董事長，同時你也是具有高知名度的賈永媫，但我認為你還是要考慮一下先後次序，是先有101，才有賈永媫董事長，而不是先有賈永媫，才有101，也不是先有101跨年煙火……"],["賈董事長永媫：可是我把我的流量也是串回去，我們是一個共通的平臺。"],["李委員坤城：對啦！但你也可以開了記者會之後，再把這個影片導入你的個人臉書，一樣也可以導流啊！"],["賈董事長永媫：可是我不想花這個錢嘛！因為這個預算省下來之後……"],["李委員坤城：本席只是給你一個建議啦！以後你要先想到的是，雖然你是賈永媫，但你現在同時也是101的董事長。其實101董事長的身分大於個人的賈永媫，所以你想到的應該是……"],["賈董事長永媫：是，可是這樣101就沒有流量嘛！"],["李委員坤城：很慘。"],["賈董事長永媫：對，它本來就沒有流量啊！"],["李委員坤城：對，我的意思是說，你要想到是先有101董事長，然後才是賈永媫個人，所以你現在要先想的是怎麼promote這個101，而不是promote賈永媫，這是我個人給你的建議啦！"],["賈董事長永媫：我把我的流量share給101耶！"],["李委員坤城：這次煙火的預算是多少？"],["賈董事長永媫：你說哪一個預算？"],["李委員坤城：跨年煙火的預算。"],["賈董事長永媫：跨年煙火的預算是由觀光署全額贊助，還有中華電信和證交所，可是沒有記者會的預算。"],["李委員坤城：所以沒有花到101的預算？"],["賈董事長永媫：你是說整個預算方面嗎？"],["李委員坤城：對。"],["賈董事長永媫：對，煙火的預算沒有。"],["李委員坤城：都是觀光署？"],["賈董事長永媫：是。"],["李委員坤城：觀光署是花多少錢？"],["賈董事長永媫：觀光署占大部分，還有中華電信和證交所。"],["李委員坤城：各多少？"],["賈董事長永媫：可是他們說這個數字我不能說耶！"],["李委員坤城：這個數字不能說？"],["賈董事長永媫：對。"],["李委員坤城：這個數字為什麼不能說？"],["賈董事長永媫：我們公司是說數字不能說。"],["李委員坤城：這應該可以說吧？這個數字為什麼不能說？請你會後給本席資料。"],["賈董事長永媫：好喔！"],["李委員坤城：我看了一下歷屆煙火的預算，其實2,000萬元不算多，算是偏少的預算。當然，這筆預算在你上任之前就已經編定，所以我們也期待在有限的預算裡面，能夠創造出和往年不太一樣的煙火。我看了預告片，你們以「Team Taiwan及Champion」為標題，以臺灣拿到12強世界冠軍這個主題，我覺得可以帶動滿多臺灣人來看跨年煙火，因為有共鳴感，我們也非常期待。"],["賈董事長永媫：謝謝。"],["李委員坤城：謝謝。請次長。"],["主席：請次長。"],["阮次長清華：委員好。"],["李委員坤城：次長，請教一下，上禮拜五通過財劃法，你是什麼時候拿到版本？"],["阮次長清華：什麼時候拿到版本？"],["李委員坤城：對啊！"],["阮次長清華：就是當天在議場的時候不斷傳過來。"],["李委員坤城：就是一修再修，三修之後你才拿到這個版本？"],["阮次長清華：因為我們在試算的時候，第一個版本還沒試算完，第二個版本又出來；第二個版本還沒有試算完，又有第三個版本出來。"],["李委員坤城：所以之前國民黨和民眾黨也都沒有找你們再溝通就對了？"],["阮次長清華：沒有。"],["李委員坤城：所以你們是當天晚上表決的時候拿到，你們和我們差不多同時拿到版本嘛！我們是在表決的時候拿到版本，你們也是差不多那時候拿到版本，然後才開始算？"],["阮次長清華：是。"],["李委員坤城：那時候我們就問國民黨到底這個垂直分配從中央拿到多少錢，他們也算不出來，還說要去問財政部、去問主計總處。"],["阮次長清華：但問題是他們的版本一直出來，所以我們一直跟不上，最後是有把它算出來，就是最後一個版本，因為討論……"],["李委員坤城：就是三千七百多億元嘛！"],["阮次長清華：3,753億元。"],["李委員坤城：我請教一下，如果按照通過的版本，垂直分配拿走3,753億元之後，我們有一些福利政策，就是我剛才舉的例子，包含租屋補貼、零到兩歲育兒津貼等補助，本來的版本，譬如租屋補貼，每戶每月是2,000元到1萬4,400元，如果國民黨版的財劃法通過之後會少600元到4,320元，大概都是少三分之一左右，你們是按照這個比例試算嗎？"],["阮次長清華：我們是按照它的分配比例。第一個是先算垂直的數字是多少，然後再按照它的水平分配的資料……"],["李委員坤城：對，你看一下我說的租屋補貼或是零到兩歲育兒津貼，這些都會減少。零到兩歲育兒津貼現在每個月是5,000元到7,000元，如果財劃法通過之後，會少1,500元到2,100元。"],["阮次長清華：這部分我們可能還要再和主計總處做最後的盤點，因為……"],["李委員坤城：按照比例來說，大概會少三分之一左右嗎？"],["阮次長清華：不一定會這樣做，因為這部分是主計總處的職權，我們會和他們密切交換意見。"],["李委員坤城：好。我再問一下，例如一些交通建設，像新北市就包含環狀線、汐止東湖線、三鶯線，包含我們三蘆區的供水管網改善工程等等，原本都是中央補助地方，財劃法通過之後，這些補助經費還要再給地方嗎？還是他們拿到統籌分配款之後，自己再去處理？"],["阮次長清華：這部分我們積極在和主計總處盤點，至於未來要怎麼因應，我們會針對這部分提出對策。"],["李委員坤城：對，因為過去中央有比較多經費可以挹注地方，現在中央被拿走三千多億元之後會受到影響，所以在交通建設的部分，我特別以新北市一些比較重要的交通建設為例好了，你來看一下，比如像這一個，我來分前瞻預算跟計畫型補助的預算，左邊這個是前瞻預算，前瞻預算本來也是到明年就結束了，接下來就是要編到各相關部會的預算裡面，譬如捷運的部分，接下來編到交通部的部分，其實也沒有這麼多錢再編進去了，所以以後中央跟地方補助的比例是不是也要做調整？"],["阮次長清華：這部分如我剛才講的，因為這部分真的是涉及到主計總處的職權，所以我們會跟它做充分的溝通，但是因為現在……"],["李委員坤城：因為你們錢少了啊！"],["阮次長清華：一定錢少。"],["李委員坤城：對啊！"],["阮次長清華：而且現在一般的補助款在第三十條有明文規定不能少於前一年度的額度，所以我們現在可以動的可能大概就是計畫型補助，計畫型補助要怎麼減法，這一部分可能我們要再跟……"],["李委員坤城：計畫型補助部分，我再跟你講到右手邊是114年的計畫型補助，像我自己所在新北市的部分，你看有交通建設、治水經費、教育經費及社福經費等等，譬如在114年，中央有補助新北市351億的計畫型補助，未來這些計畫型補助是不是也應該都會受到影響？"],["阮次長清華：一定會受到影響，因為中央垂直的那部分就少了三千七百多億，而這個出去以後，中央的財源從哪邊來？"],["李委員坤城：就沒有那些錢了。"],["阮次長清華：所以這部分一定要調整。"],["李委員坤城：所以我的意思是，當地方政府多拿到這一些統籌分配款之後，本來的計畫型補助是不是會受到影響？然後未來的計畫型補助，比如本來有育兒津貼、對於學校的補助、或是河川整治經費等等，是不是未來就要由地方的統籌分配款這邊多支出一點？"],["阮次長清華：統籌稅款因為地方已經大幅度增加了，所以有關的計畫型補助很可能會做一個調整，但是怎麼調整，我們還要再跟總處那邊再協商。"],["李委員坤城：主席，我再最後1分鐘。我有收到財政部給我今年度1到10月非實名制網路社群平臺投放廣告的情況，因為之前包含兆豐銀行他們已經講了，他們不投放廣告在非實名制的網路平臺，但是我有看到你們從明年度開始要做個檢討。財政部及所屬機關今年度到10月大概有一千多萬投放到非實名制的網路廣告，然後你們的所屬機構包含泛公股銀行，有將近八千四百多萬投放到非實名制的網路平臺，尤其臺灣菸酒公司有三千七百多萬，從明年度開始，財政部能不能約束一下，包含你們自己所屬的機關，還有這一些所屬的機構，還有泛公股銀行，不要再花經費投放在沒有實名制的網路平臺上面？"],["阮次長清華：這個我們來努力，現在最主要就是，公股行庫或者是行政機關這部分我們可以儘量來努力，但是現在問題就是民營事業沒有辦法跟進，所以變成公股的就是一定要投在實名制的，但是民營的投在非實名制的，而非實名制的……"],["李委員坤城：這你們要來要求啦！打詐就是政府全體一致要來做處理的。"],["阮次長清華：所以我跟委員報告，最重要的就是，因為剛才說要投放到實名制那邊是自發性的，所以我們要的是一個強制性的，所以我說未來新打詐四法的落實是很重要的一環。"],["李委員坤城：對啊，你們現在就要落實啊，就是要求你落實啊！你們公股銀行要開始帶頭做，你們所屬機構要帶頭開始來做啊！"],["阮次長清華：我們公股銀行沒問題，都已經在規劃了，不再投入非實名制。"],["李委員坤城：從明年度開始，好不好？"],["阮次長清華：它有一些合約的關係，要有一個緩衝期間。"],["李委員坤城：所以我說從明年度開始，你們去檢討，帶頭開始做，好不好？"],["阮次長清華：好，我們來處理。"],["主席：謝謝李坤城委員，接著請伍麗華委員發言。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":82,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-20-12","speakers":["賴惠員","林德福","吳秉叡","賴士葆","郭國文","顏寬恒","黃珊珊","李坤城","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","鄭正鈐","張啓楷","楊瓊瓔","羅明才","王世堅","王鴻薇","陳玉珍"],"page_start":1,"meetingDate":["2024-12-23"],"gazette_id":"1141101","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1141101_00002"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期財政委員會第12次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請財政部莊部長翠雲、金融監督管理委員會彭主任委員金隆就「兆豐金控及臺灣證券交易所投\n資之台北金融大樓股份有限公司2024年營運成效、2025年度經營計畫與展望、暨跨年晚會煙火表\n演規劃」進行專題報告，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1141101_00001"}}}