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00:01:12,407\n理解,因為我們知道說你是從那個有演藝圈明星的光環然後從企業界進到那個某個部分是廣義的公部門當中來啦那公部門當中有一個很重要的部分就是它的程序跟嚴謹度會更高程序嚴謹度會更高所以事實上說因為針對這個記者會這部分你覺得幫那個101省下一筆記者會的錢對不對\n\n4\n00:01:16,590 --> 00:01:35,242\n可是事實上大家就會覺得說那你私用跟公用的部分好像沒有拿捏得很好我剛剛聽到你在回答那次法委員的時候你提到說你是私企公用表示說你是把你的資源用來做在101當中的時候你覺得這好像是一個對101的一個正面的回饋\n\n5\n00:01:35,922 --> 00:02:01,328\n可是我們看起來的時候感覺好像不一定是這麼一回事所以說我們覺得說在整個公布門中程序的部分還是要拿捏得很好比方說你把101畢竟是一個有國際光環的一個建築物那你把它用在你的個人粉專當中去把它給弄出來的時候你覺得是你的流量帶給了101可是我們在看的時候搞不好是你占了101的便宜因為101的光環在國際上搞不好更大\n\n6\n00:02:02,088 --> 00:02:20,190\n可是101在網路上面真的沒有流量所以我是把我的流量導給了101所以我覺得這就是你現在要做的事情就是你要想辦法讓101的流量高起來你有你的明星關懷沒有問題我也很認同可是我覺得101畢竟是一個公單位的一個部分\n\n7\n00:02:21,892 --> 00:02:41,136\n如果正常在座,我就不要說你們要同時去座,或者是讓101先你再去做分享。有有有,我有同時,我有同時,應該是說因為我的流量比較大,所以大家先看到我的,但是在這個串聯的後台是已經串起來的。您懂我的意思嗎?那這個部分我理解。就是我把我的流量跟101我們是同步的。\n\n8\n00:02:41,496 --> 00:03:09,630\n101是串在我們的整個的協辦跟協作裡面的理解好那這個部分因為這個部分是一個點因為我有聽說有些媒體他好像從我們101的那個媒體群退群因為覺得好像說不太需要在這個101的媒體群裡面只要關注你的那個粉專就可以有這樣的狀況嗎我不清楚你後續再了解一下這個本席一個很清楚的一個說明好不好去了解一下然後另外一個部分就是說101這個部分它畢竟是一個\n\n9\n00:03:12,260 --> 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00:05:48,003\n針對媒體退群部分你之後再給本席一個具體的說明最後再給本席30秒我想問一下次長因為今天我看到本來這個專題報告是財政部部長來結果他後來請假了請假在行政院那邊開記者會\n\n16\n00:05:49,505 --> 00:06:17,417\n那對於就是在野黨努力推出來的一個財化法指指點點說什麼那個人口分析不夠細緻啦沒有考慮到老人年輕人的問題然後什麼對於什麼土地納入分配的時候不夠細緻沒有考慮到區劃分感覺財政部很厲害應該有一個很具體的版本你可不可以給我一個你們財政部自己要有的一個財化法本來要有財化法的版本可不可以本席一個很清楚的一個內容\n\n17\n00:06:18,637 --> 00:06:33,470\n對不起,我們目前是沒有這樣的一個版本所以還是沒有版本嗎?然後本來應該財政部作為不作為然後在野黨努力去推出來之後開始說三道四指指點點,你覺得這樣適合嗎?然後該進來做專報備詢的情況,不進來做專報備詢在行政院裡面開記者會對在野黨指指點點,你覺得這是應該要有的態度嗎?\n\n18\n00:06:42,938 --> 00:06:57,159\n我覺得是這樣,這個財化法其實是真的是我們的財政的根本大法,也就是要兼顧到中央的施政需求,也要考慮到地方的財政自主,所以我們...因為你們既然剛剛可以對於...\n\n19\n00:06:59,642 --> 00:07:22,809\n在野黨的推出來的已經合法修過的一個版本指指點點覺得人口分布不對不夠細緻土地的一個規劃分布不夠細緻你把你們人口細緻的版本給本席一個很清楚的書面說明可不可以我們這樣子好不好我們大概可不可以嗎如果沒有不能給本席的書面說明你們開記者會那邊指指點點那是什麼意思該進來備詢不進來備詢該進來專報不進來專報\n\n20\n00:07:28,491 --> 00:07:47,179\n目前以目前最後的最後的版本來看的話我們就說我們暫時不去管這個這個除了這個垂直分配之外那麼水能分配的確在分配上我是覺得可能還要更進一步來深思讓分配更加的公平\n\n21\n00:07:47,839 --> 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--> 00:03.053\n市長好因為今天是針對101的2024年的營運績效跟2025年的一個那個進行計畫還有那個跨年煙火的部分所以我想先問一下101董事長\n\n00:21.483 --> 00:50.105\n謝謝委員好董事長那個我知道你本身的聲量是比101的官網來的好很多啦但因為有委員也特別提到了是說因為這一次那個有關於101的跨年煙火是在你個人粉專上面先公佈這件事情是然後我聽了你解釋我發現你還是覺得有點委屈因為你覺得你的流量可以去cover101的部分是不是這樣的一個情況你再多做說明是而且我不開記者會可以省了一筆錢\n\n00:52.213 --> 01:12.407\n理解,因為我們知道說你是從那個有演藝圈明星的光環然後從企業界進到那個某個部分是廣義的公部門當中來啦那公部門當中有一個很重要的部分就是它的程序跟嚴謹度會更高程序嚴謹度會更高所以事實上說因為針對這個記者會這部分你覺得幫那個101省下一筆記者會的錢對不對\n\n01:16.590 --> 01:35.242\n可是事實上大家就會覺得說那你私用跟公用的部分好像沒有拿捏得很好我剛剛聽到你在回答那次法委員的時候你提到說你是私企公用表示說你是把你的資源用來做在101當中的時候你覺得這好像是一個對101的一個正面的回饋\n\n01:35.922 --> 02:01.328\n可是我們看起來的時候感覺好像不一定是這麼一回事所以說我們覺得說在整個公布門中程序的部分還是要拿捏得很好比方說你把101畢竟是一個有國際光環的一個建築物那你把它用在你的個人粉專當中去把它給弄出來的時候你覺得是你的流量帶給了101可是我們在看的時候搞不好是你占了101的便宜因為101的光環在國際上搞不好更大\n\n02:02.088 --> 02:20.190\n可是101在網路上面真的沒有流量所以我是把我的流量導給了101所以我覺得這就是你現在要做的事情就是你要想辦法讓101的流量高起來你有你的明星關懷沒有問題我也很認同可是我覺得101畢竟是一個公單位的一個部分\n\n02:21.892 --> 02:41.136\n如果正常在座,我就不要說你們要同時去座,或者是讓101先你再去做分享。有有有,我有同時,我有同時,應該是說因為我的流量比較大,所以大家先看到我的,但是在這個串聯的後台是已經串起來的。您懂我的意思嗎?那這個部分我理解。就是我把我的流量跟101我們是同步的。\n\n02:41.496 --> 03:09.630\n101是串在我們的整個的協辦跟協作裡面的理解好那這個部分因為這個部分是一個點因為我有聽說有些媒體他好像從我們101的那個媒體群退群因為覺得好像說不太需要在這個101的媒體群裡面只要關注你的那個粉專就可以有這樣的狀況嗎我不清楚你後續再了解一下這個本席一個很清楚的一個說明好不好去了解一下然後另外一個部分就是說101這個部分它畢竟是一個\n\n03:12.260 --> 03:29.263\n經營的事業單位我知道你現在很努力想要做公益我們也知道之前在疫情的時候你也做了一些公益活動我們也都看在眼裡某個部分也是肯定的我想問一下101現在在做公益的時候捐款如果超過100萬需不需要董事會通過\n\n03:29.804 --> 03:56.426\n需要超過101萬要需要101萬就需要董事會通過對不對是你剛剛提到說那個在捐棒球這部分你找了10家廠商一家60萬再加上101的200萬是不是有董事會通過全部通過好那我要問一個狀態就是2025年的登高賽是因為登高賽也是101另外一個很吸引人的地方對目前登高賽的情況如何那他要怎麼去做公益\n\n03:56.786 --> 04:23.752\n好,101的登高賽呢這邊我可以跟大家宣傳一下即將會辦在2025年的5月3號那在這個部分呢我們是突破以往就是可能就是一個登高的賽事我們必須結合了公益我認為呢我們在這個臺北101那我自己覺得說我在我自己是很能夠做公益嘛這是我的強項所以呢我就會帶領著101在登高賽事的部分結合慈善公益\n\n04:24.332 --> 04:43.207\n然後一起讓國人能夠一起參與OK那這個部分我想說我最後再多一個問題給你你之後因為之前永捷同心你剛才也覺得說你有T恤這事情是點燈活動聽說這個公益的部分是他們有經過董事會同意是直接讓廠商捐款給第三方\n\n04:44.266 --> 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