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00:02:58,323\n逃到臺灣之後他成功的在臺灣的銀行來開戶啊哇那大家質疑臺灣銀行的業者是不是真正的有落實KYC啊有沒有啊有沒有真正的去落實認識你的客戶啊\n\n9\n00:02:58,923 --> 00:03:18,025\n所以在這個事件之後呢那我沒有看到這個詐騙犯他在8家的銀行開設了帳戶欸8家欸我們讓全世界笑話我們欸同時他也在這個部分銀行還擔任他公司他甚至自己還擔任負責人欸\n\n10\n00:03:39,944 --> 00:03:40,244\n請做說明\n\n11\n00:03:55,430 --> 00:04:19,876\n是,我分兩個部分,第一個是具體個案的部分,第二個是委員剛剛提到的後續防治的一些措施。那第一個具體個案的部分就是,其實當時,當時他是法人戶、公司戶,他是用變更負責人的一個方式在變動他。所以是說呢,在這個地方一開始,一開始那個開戶其實並不是那個詐騙犯,而是那家公司他變更負責人。\n\n12\n00:04:20,236 --> 00:04:41,387\n主管金管單位在說明的時候已經產生這樣的現象所以一個過程他已經可以跑你的漏洞可以跑你有法的漏洞去轉變成為國際的笑話你現在要回答的是我們到底又怎麼回事我們要怎麼圍堵你還給我解釋這個\n\n13\n00:04:42,227 --> 00:04:43,368\n怎麼積極控制請教KYC如果沒有控制認識你的客戶\n\n14\n00:05:03,729 --> 00:05:04,550\n你把你因為已經被騙了\n\n15\n00:05:31,272 --> 00:05:33,074\n兆豐金控及財政委員\n\n16\n00:05:53,695 --> 00:06:07,223\n我們的營運方案到底是什麼順便資料給本席我再一次強調臺灣是一個美麗的寶島不能成為詐騙犯逃逸的而且施詐我們臺灣繼續騙我們臺灣的一個讓他成為他詐騙的天堂您認懂吧\n\n17\n00:06:12,366 --> 00:06:16,989\n11月5日日本東京證交交易所把股票交易時間延長30分鐘,總計5.5小時,一直到下午3點半結束。這是他們從1954年時隔70年以來,再一次70年後延長交易時間,也引起國際金融市場的一個矚目。\n\n18\n00:06:41,383 --> 00:06:41,423\n請做說明\n\n19\n00:07:08,983 --> 00:07:11,625\n兆豐金控及臺灣證券交易所投資之台北金融大樓股份有限公司\n\n20\n00:07:33,985 --> 00:07:35,326\n目前為止,交易所給我的答案是不跟進的。\n\n21\n00:07:58,806 --> 00:08:22,876\n我們還會再跟交易所再溝通所以第一個我們這個議題就是說你們主委已經跳票了已經失言了失信了他一個月後沒有答案這第一個是你挑戰你的主委第二個第二個我們也希望你們謹慎謹慎去討論資到底要怎麼做對台灣會更好好我們再會跟主帝還在券商工會我們再跟券商工會溝通謝謝\n\n22\n00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:31,111\n謝謝,謝謝副主委趕快把這個研擬的報告給那個瓊研委員接著我們請羅明財委員花言\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1263\t1524\t財政部委員\n15856\t44133\t據媒體報導12月2號在民營金控的部分持續有啟動要併購的這個方向那公營也提出兆豐金控那麼也有意要兆豐投信第一金投信以及合庫投信三合一的一個整併所以本期要請教財政部你是大股東那你是不是樂觀其成請說明基本上\n45714\t60143\t對這個我們公股、泛公股的這些旗下的公司、村公司它要合併只要他們有共識、程序上公平、公開、公平、合理然後有縱效基本上我們是樂觀其成\n60803\t81452\t你是大股東你剛剛說了如果有中效那麼子公司都認為OK但是你要注意一下就是說你是大股東所以在公共病的方面牽扯的會非常的多牽扯到什麼問題呢包括組織文化包括了經營策略跟他的強項\n82953\t104692\t這一個強項很重要因為我們目前就是如此也必須金融啊、景型營業啊跟世界接軌在這樣的情況之下你要考慮到股東、員工、客戶的一個權益跟我們國家整體的利益那就是剛剛您說的有沒有作用是,謝謝委員提醒對,我們的原則就是這樣也包括了股東、員工、客戶\n110236\t135053\t的權利跟國家整體的利益這些都在你思考的範圍之內嘛對所以最重要的一向如此也要必須考量到有沒有奏效嘛對不對這非常重要所以我也謹慎的提醒我們財政部因為大家都非常關心這個案子未來謹慎處理未來走向到底怎麼樣大家就拭目以待\n135994\t161493\t接下來本期請教金管會我們看到現在詐騙的一大堆一大堆包括財政部我們也跟他討論了很多那西班牙籍這個人奧納德他在義大利他詐騙了3000萬大概台幣歐元大概我們的10.5億左右那在這樣的情況之下他逃到臺灣\n162794\t178323\t逃到臺灣之後他成功的在臺灣的銀行來開戶啊哇那大家質疑臺灣銀行的業者是不是真正的有落實KYC啊有沒有啊有沒有真正的去落實認識你的客戶啊\n178923\t198025\t所以在這個事件之後呢那我沒有看到這個詐騙犯他在8家的銀行開設了帳戶欸8家欸我們讓全世界笑話我們欸同時他也在這個部分銀行還擔任他公司他甚至自己還擔任負責人欸\n199906\t219804\t楊瓊瓔\n219944\t220244\t請做說明\n235430\t259876\t是,我分兩個部分,第一個是具體個案的部分,第二個是委員剛剛提到的後續防治的一些措施。那第一個具體個案的部分就是,其實當時,當時他是法人戶、公司戶,他是用變更負責人的一個方式在變動他。所以是說呢,在這個地方一開始,一開始那個開戶其實並不是那個詐騙犯,而是那家公司他變更負責人。\n260236\t281387\t主管金管單位在說明的時候已經產生這樣的現象所以一個過程他已經可以跑你的漏洞可以跑你有法的漏洞去轉變成為國際的笑話你現在要回答的是我們到底又怎麼回事我們要怎麼圍堵你還給我解釋這個\n282227\t283368\t怎麼積極控制請教KYC如果沒有控制認識你的客戶\n303729\t304550\t你把你因為已經被騙了\n331272\t333074\t兆豐金控及財政委員\n353695\t367223\t我們的營運方案到底是什麼順便資料給本席我再一次強調臺灣是一個美麗的寶島不能成為詐騙犯逃逸的而且施詐我們臺灣繼續騙我們臺灣的一個讓他成為他詐騙的天堂您認懂吧\n372366\t376989\t11月5日日本東京證交交易所把股票交易時間延長30分鐘,總計5.5小時,一直到下午3點半結束。這是他們從1954年時隔70年以來,再一次70年後延長交易時間,也引起國際金融市場的一個矚目。\n401383\t401423\t請做說明\n428983\t431625\t兆豐金控及臺灣證券交易所投資之台北金融大樓股份有限公司\n453985\t455326\t目前為止,交易所給我的答案是不跟進的。\n478806\t502876\t我們還會再跟交易所再溝通所以第一個我們這個議題就是說你們主委已經跳票了已經失言了失信了他一個月後沒有答案這第一個是你挑戰你的主委第二個第二個我們也希望你們謹慎謹慎去討論資到底要怎麼做對台灣會更好好我們再會跟主帝還在券商工會我們再跟券商工會溝通謝謝\n505760\t511111\t謝謝,謝謝副主委趕快把這個研擬的報告給那個瓊研委員接著我們請羅明財委員花言\n","txt":"財政部委員\n據媒體報導12月2號在民營金控的部分持續有啟動要併購的這個方向那公營也提出兆豐金控那麼也有意要兆豐投信第一金投信以及合庫投信三合一的一個整併所以本期要請教財政部你是大股東那你是不是樂觀其成請說明基本上\n對這個我們公股、泛公股的這些旗下的公司、村公司它要合併只要他們有共識、程序上公平、公開、公平、合理然後有縱效基本上我們是樂觀其成\n你是大股東你剛剛說了如果有中效那麼子公司都認為OK但是你要注意一下就是說你是大股東所以在公共病的方面牽扯的會非常的多牽扯到什麼問題呢包括組織文化包括了經營策略跟他的強項\n這一個強項很重要因為我們目前就是如此也必須金融啊、景型營業啊跟世界接軌在這樣的情況之下你要考慮到股東、員工、客戶的一個權益跟我們國家整體的利益那就是剛剛您說的有沒有作用是,謝謝委員提醒對,我們的原則就是這樣也包括了股東、員工、客戶\n的權利跟國家整體的利益這些都在你思考的範圍之內嘛對所以最重要的一向如此也要必須考量到有沒有奏效嘛對不對這非常重要所以我也謹慎的提醒我們財政部因為大家都非常關心這個案子未來謹慎處理未來走向到底怎麼樣大家就拭目以待\n接下來本期請教金管會我們看到現在詐騙的一大堆一大堆包括財政部我們也跟他討論了很多那西班牙籍這個人奧納德他在義大利他詐騙了3000萬大概台幣歐元大概我們的10.5億左右那在這樣的情況之下他逃到臺灣\n逃到臺灣之後他成功的在臺灣的銀行來開戶啊哇那大家質疑臺灣銀行的業者是不是真正的有落實KYC啊有沒有啊有沒有真正的去落實認識你的客戶啊\n所以在這個事件之後呢那我沒有看到這個詐騙犯他在8家的銀行開設了帳戶欸8家欸我們讓全世界笑話我們欸同時他也在這個部分銀行還擔任他公司他甚至自己還擔任負責人欸\n楊瓊瓔\n請做說明\n是,我分兩個部分,第一個是具體個案的部分,第二個是委員剛剛提到的後續防治的一些措施。那第一個具體個案的部分就是,其實當時,當時他是法人戶、公司戶,他是用變更負責人的一個方式在變動他。所以是說呢,在這個地方一開始,一開始那個開戶其實並不是那個詐騙犯,而是那家公司他變更負責人。\n主管金管單位在說明的時候已經產生這樣的現象所以一個過程他已經可以跑你的漏洞可以跑你有法的漏洞去轉變成為國際的笑話你現在要回答的是我們到底又怎麼回事我們要怎麼圍堵你還給我解釋這個\n怎麼積極控制請教KYC如果沒有控制認識你的客戶\n你把你因為已經被騙了\n兆豐金控及財政委員\n我們的營運方案到底是什麼順便資料給本席我再一次強調臺灣是一個美麗的寶島不能成為詐騙犯逃逸的而且施詐我們臺灣繼續騙我們臺灣的一個讓他成為他詐騙的天堂您認懂吧\n11月5日日本東京證交交易所把股票交易時間延長30分鐘,總計5.5小時,一直到下午3點半結束。這是他們從1954年時隔70年以來,再一次70年後延長交易時間,也引起國際金融市場的一個矚目。\n請做說明\n兆豐金控及臺灣證券交易所投資之台北金融大樓股份有限公司\n目前為止,交易所給我的答案是不跟進的。\n我們還會再跟交易所再溝通所以第一個我們這個議題就是說你們主委已經跳票了已經失言了失信了他一個月後沒有答案這第一個是你挑戰你的主委第二個第二個我們也希望你們謹慎謹慎去討論資到底要怎麼做對台灣會更好好我們再會跟主帝還在券商工會我們再跟券商工會溝通謝謝\n謝謝,謝謝副主委趕快把這個研擬的報告給那個瓊研委員接著我們請羅明財委員花言\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.263 --> 00:01.524\n財政部委員\n\n00:15.856 --> 00:44.133\n據媒體報導12月2號在民營金控的部分持續有啟動要併購的這個方向那公營也提出兆豐金控那麼也有意要兆豐投信第一金投信以及合庫投信三合一的一個整併所以本期要請教財政部你是大股東那你是不是樂觀其成請說明基本上\n\n00:45.714 --> 01:00.143\n對這個我們公股、泛公股的這些旗下的公司、村公司它要合併只要他們有共識、程序上公平、公開、公平、合理然後有縱效基本上我們是樂觀其成\n\n01:00.803 --> 01:21.452\n你是大股東你剛剛說了如果有中效那麼子公司都認為OK但是你要注意一下就是說你是大股東所以在公共病的方面牽扯的會非常的多牽扯到什麼問題呢包括組織文化包括了經營策略跟他的強項\n\n01:22.953 --> 01:44.692\n這一個強項很重要因為我們目前就是如此也必須金融啊、景型營業啊跟世界接軌在這樣的情況之下你要考慮到股東、員工、客戶的一個權益跟我們國家整體的利益那就是剛剛您說的有沒有作用是,謝謝委員提醒對,我們的原則就是這樣也包括了股東、員工、客戶\n\n01:50.236 --> 02:15.053\n的權利跟國家整體的利益這些都在你思考的範圍之內嘛對所以最重要的一向如此也要必須考量到有沒有奏效嘛對不對這非常重要所以我也謹慎的提醒我們財政部因為大家都非常關心這個案子未來謹慎處理未來走向到底怎麼樣大家就拭目以待\n\n02:15.994 --> 02:41.493\n接下來本期請教金管會我們看到現在詐騙的一大堆一大堆包括財政部我們也跟他討論了很多那西班牙籍這個人奧納德他在義大利他詐騙了3000萬大概台幣歐元大概我們的10.5億左右那在這樣的情況之下他逃到臺灣\n\n02:42.794 --> 02:58.323\n逃到臺灣之後他成功的在臺灣的銀行來開戶啊哇那大家質疑臺灣銀行的業者是不是真正的有落實KYC啊有沒有啊有沒有真正的去落實認識你的客戶啊\n\n02:58.923 --> 03:18.025\n所以在這個事件之後呢那我沒有看到這個詐騙犯他在8家的銀行開設了帳戶欸8家欸我們讓全世界笑話我們欸同時他也在這個部分銀行還擔任他公司他甚至自己還擔任負責人欸\n\n03:39.944 --> 03:40.244\n請做說明\n\n03:55.430 --> 04:19.876\n是,我分兩個部分,第一個是具體個案的部分,第二個是委員剛剛提到的後續防治的一些措施。那第一個具體個案的部分就是,其實當時,當時他是法人戶、公司戶,他是用變更負責人的一個方式在變動他。所以是說呢,在這個地方一開始,一開始那個開戶其實並不是那個詐騙犯,而是那家公司他變更負責人。\n\n04:20.236 --> 04:41.387\n主管金管單位在說明的時候已經產生這樣的現象所以一個過程他已經可以跑你的漏洞可以跑你有法的漏洞去轉變成為國際的笑話你現在要回答的是我們到底又怎麼回事我們要怎麼圍堵你還給我解釋這個\n\n04:42.227 --> 04:43.368\n怎麼積極控制請教KYC如果沒有控制認識你的客戶\n\n05:03.729 --> 05:04.550\n你把你因為已經被騙了\n\n05:31.272 --> 05:33.074\n兆豐金控及財政委員\n\n05:53.695 --> 06:07.223\n我們的營運方案到底是什麼順便資料給本席我再一次強調臺灣是一個美麗的寶島不能成為詐騙犯逃逸的而且施詐我們臺灣繼續騙我們臺灣的一個讓他成為他詐騙的天堂您認懂吧\n\n06:12.366 --> 06:16.989\n11月5日日本東京證交交易所把股票交易時間延長30分鐘,總計5.5小時,一直到下午3點半結束。這是他們從1954年時隔70年以來,再一次70年後延長交易時間,也引起國際金融市場的一個矚目。\n\n06:41.383 --> 06:41.423\n請做說明\n\n07:08.983 --> 07:11.625\n兆豐金控及臺灣證券交易所投資之台北金融大樓股份有限公司\n\n07:33.985 --> 07:35.326\n目前為止,交易所給我的答案是不跟進的。\n\n07:58.806 --> 08:22.876\n我們還會再跟交易所再溝通所以第一個我們這個議題就是說你們主委已經跳票了已經失言了失信了他一個月後沒有答案這第一個是你挑戰你的主委第二個第二個我們也希望你們謹慎謹慎去討論資到底要怎麼做對台灣會更好好我們再會跟主帝還在券商工會我們再跟券商工會溝通謝謝\n\n08:25.760 --> 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