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00:01:39,344\n但是一定會提就對了啦會補提名OK好那再請問民主黨您也當過立法委員也當過縣長在您的心目中您認為大法官他要符合什麼條件\n\n6\n00:01:40,950 --> 00:01:42,891\n我告訴你我自己設定了四個門檻\n\n7\n00:02:09,485 --> 00:02:25,536\n大法官學術專精還有有傑出的學術成就這一定是必要條件是第二個大法官的整個品格啊這個品德道德道德啊品德是不是一定情操一定要很高尚\n\n8\n00:02:26,317 --> 00:02:43,949\n2、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結項目2、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結項目3、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結項目4、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結項目5、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結項目6、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結項目7、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結項目8、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結項目9、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結項目10、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結項目11、處理113年度中央政府總預\n\n9\n00:02:52,732 --> 00:03:10,118\n當然所以這一次的大法官我們看到就是說為什麼全部都被刷掉就是經過審視都不符合這樣的一個資格但是昨天很遺憾的我們看到劉靜怡大法官這個劉靜怡啊竟然被這個民進黨否決掉所以我們看到一種狀況\n\n10\n00:03:11,926 --> 00:03:37,906\n由晉宜因為民眾黨支持他但是賴總統提名他竟然被同黨的立法委員全部把他不贊成票連他都被刷掉所以我們不禁產生一個疑問是不是除了我剛才講的四個必要條件以外如果大法官是跟民進黨的主張不同不同調或者這個大法官是會罵民進黨的\n\n11\n00:03:40,985 --> 00:03:44,000\n這個條件你們也把它納入你們的必要條件之一嗎?\n\n12\n00:03:45,393 --> 00:04:09,578\n那我想這個都不是事實啦總統提名的被提名人都希望每一位被提名人能夠全數通過這是一個基本原則所以這個是沒有跟總統溝通過這個目前府方完全不知道這個我們黨團有什麼樣的戰略黨團有什麼樣的戰略基本上我們尊重過去民進黨成立以來在黨團以來都是國會自主黨團自主這是民主黨這明顯打臉總統欸\n\n13\n00:04:15,906 --> 00:04:22,096\n在總統提名的大法官竟然被執政黨的立法委員否決掉\n\n14\n00:04:23,804 --> 00:04:49,921\n這個原因是什麼我想連那個劉靜怡大法官他自己都很想知道所以他也呼籲說賴總統你你是不是要來講這個說明一下或者府方你要說明一下到底他為什麼同黨的立法委員不支持他府方的態度很清楚就是總統所提名的七位被提名的人都希望完全都希望通過嘛所以是好OK好我接下來問一下下一個問題\n\n15\n00:04:51,499 --> 00:05:10,475\n那小民主長你也擔任過我剛才講擔任過縣長齁財化法25年沒有修了你到底贊不贊成財化法要修我個人吶吼我贊成財化法修啊但這個修要充分的討論必須有科目細項因為不是只有人口還有土地面積包括所以你贊成修法的原因是什麼\n\n16\n00:05:17,481 --> 00:05:34,535\n但是呢我贊成修但從來沒有一個黨能夠修過除了這一次以外我贊成的原因但因為不管是馬政府蔡政府或是扁政府都要修但沒有一個可以修得過去就是因為計算的基準\n\n17\n00:05:58,118 --> 00:06:10,128\n為什麼我們全國民眾一直認為說財務法這次的修正民進黨為什麼會有這麼大的一個反彈當然你有部分做論述但是我們再看過去你們的呼籲\n\n18\n00:06:11,736 --> 00:06:40,174\n賴清德總統在台南市長期間他就一直呼籲修正財務法給予地方創生發展地方經濟當時包含雲林縣的蘇志芬還有嘉義縣的張花冠縣長全部支持也包含蘇貞昌前院長他講什麼蘇貞昌當時是擔任民進黨的黨主席他講說他當地方首長時他編預算常常徹夜難眠半夜醒來全身都是冷汗\n\n19\n00:06:41,567 --> 00:07:03,010\n就是因為才化法沒有修啊所以才化法的修正是非常重要的但是我們要告訴民進黨那如果你認為民進黨你也認為要修啊要修為什麼你們的版本遲遲拿不出來你執政了你過去再也一直說要修為什麼你執政你就拿不出版本\n\n20\n00:07:03,972 --> 00:07:27,100\n我想委員容我來報告一下我們過去的主張不管我在當立法委員或是縣長我都主張修但是修必須有版本那我知道在立法過程裡面這個行政院長有拜會這個立法院長有希望折衷一個版本也透過立法院長這個你重複了我都了解我必須要講這個過程但是這個我都非常了解但是我們就說\n\n21\n00:07:31,801 --> 00:07:51,512\n二十五年了。你們2012年就主張要修喔。接下來2012年了你還提不出版本。所以民進黨你現在才講說在我們這個表決的前一天才透過韓院長告訴朱主席這個再給我們四個月的時間\n\n22\n00:07:53,274 --> 00:08:17,690\n你認為在野黨是沒讀書嗎?是文盲嗎?這個話我們會相信嗎?是,那所以...其實不來溝通,到了前一天才告訴我們財政收支法、劃分法我們行政院要在4個月才提出版本12年提不出版本啦,那4個月才要提,這個叫誠意嗎?後來朱立文主席不是講年底嗎?所以你們這個話變成說大家不會相信啦\n\n23\n00:08:21,393 --> 00:08:26,688\n因為你們拖太久了啦OK好主委再給我一分鐘的時間我再問一下最後一個問題\n\n24\n00:08:29,322 --> 00:08:56,161\n我們剛剛一直提到就是說我們這個三大法案出來之後一直這個有民進黨的不管是徹底網軍或者是政論節目或者有一些的這個律友友一直主張說總統府總統不要公佈不要復那個行政院不要復屬了所以我還是最後要鄭重的來請教民主黨總統會不會公佈這部法案\n\n25\n00:08:57,990 --> 00:09:23,160\n我講我剛剛已經回答過總統會如實是他是憲法的守護者所以他有務必執行憲法賦予的職權會來公佈一定會公佈那要等收到之後我們會如期公佈一定會公佈就會依照憲法72條來公佈對尊重我們三權分立下的立法權我呼籲我們總統府一定要公佈目前是五權了好好好OK好謝謝謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n6728\t20402\t好,謝謝主席,我們請潘秘書長有請潘秘書長秘書長早,我想昨天大法官全數都被否決嘛齁\n22182\t37703\t我首先想請問總統何時還會再補貼新的大法官跟委員報告齁我想這個昨天的一否決之後大概我們稍微討論因為還沒收到文齁那我想我們會在在目前考慮未來\n39284\t58189\t這個在合憲的當中裡面怎麼籌儲這個審見小組那是否要重新公告遴選與否總統已經在啟動相關的一些作業程序我們也會在充分討論之後會來對外公佈是那民主黨提到說是否還有否啊\n61072\t83652\t什麼?你還會否定說不提嗎?因為你剛才說是否會提當然要提啊這一定是應該要提的嘛絕對要提的嘛我剛剛的意思可能說不清就是說希望我們有不同的那種時間點因為這中間有過年是什麼時候公佈所以你現在沒有辦法回答我說到底大概時間點會落在什麼時候你沒有辦法具體回答\n86454\t99344\t但是一定會提就對了啦會補提名OK好那再請問民主黨您也當過立法委員也當過縣長在您的心目中您認為大法官他要符合什麼條件\n100950\t102891\t我告訴你我自己設定了四個門檻\n129485\t145536\t大法官學術專精還有有傑出的學術成就這一定是必要條件是第二個大法官的整個品格啊這個品德道德道德啊品德是不是一定情操一定要很高尚\n146317\t163949\t2、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結項目2、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結項目3、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結項目4、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結項目5、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結項目6、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結項目7、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結項目8、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結項目9、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結項目10、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結項目11、處理113年度中央政府總預\n172732\t190118\t當然所以這一次的大法官我們看到就是說為什麼全部都被刷掉就是經過審視都不符合這樣的一個資格但是昨天很遺憾的我們看到劉靜怡大法官這個劉靜怡啊竟然被這個民進黨否決掉所以我們看到一種狀況\n191926\t217906\t由晉宜因為民眾黨支持他但是賴總統提名他竟然被同黨的立法委員全部把他不贊成票連他都被刷掉所以我們不禁產生一個疑問是不是除了我剛才講的四個必要條件以外如果大法官是跟民進黨的主張不同不同調或者這個大法官是會罵民進黨的\n220985\t224000\t這個條件你們也把它納入你們的必要條件之一嗎?\n225393\t249578\t那我想這個都不是事實啦總統提名的被提名人都希望每一位被提名人能夠全數通過這是一個基本原則所以這個是沒有跟總統溝通過這個目前 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這明顯打臉總統欸\n255906\t262096\t在總統提名的大法官竟然被執政黨的立法委員否決掉\n263804\t289921\t這個原因是什麼我想連那個劉靜怡大法官他自己都很想知道所以他也呼籲說賴總統你你是不是要來講這個說明一下或者府方你要說明一下到底他為什麼同黨的立法委員不支持他府方的態度很清楚就是總統所提名的七位被提名的人都希望完全都希望通過嘛所以是好OK好我接下來問一下下一個問題\n291499\t310475\t那小民主長你也擔任過我剛才講擔任過縣長齁財化法25年沒有修了你到底贊不贊成財化法要修我個人吶吼我贊成財化法修啊但這個修要充分的討論必須有科目細項因為不是只有人口還有土地面積包括所以你贊成修法的原因是什麼\n317481\t334535\t但是呢我贊成修但從來沒有一個黨能夠修過除了這一次以外我贊成的原因但因為不管是馬政府蔡政府或是扁政府都要修但沒有一個可以修得過去就是因為計算的基準\n335316\t357858\t議員議員議員議員議員議員議員議員議員議員議員議員議員議員\n358118\t370128\t為什麼我們全國民眾一直認為說財務法這次的修正民進黨為什麼會有這麼大的一個反彈當然你有部分做論述但是我們再看過去你們的呼籲\n371736\t400174\t賴清德總統在台南市長期間他就一直呼籲修正財務法給予地方創生發展地方經濟當時包含雲林縣的蘇志芬還有嘉義縣的張花冠縣長全部支持也包含蘇貞昌前院長他講什麼蘇貞昌當時是擔任民進黨的黨主席他講說他當地方首長時他編預算常常徹夜難眠半夜醒來全身都是冷汗\n401567\t423010\t就是因為才化法沒有修啊所以才化法的修正是非常重要的但是我們要告訴民進黨那如果你認為民進黨你也認為要修啊要修為什麼你們的版本遲遲拿不出來你執政了你過去再也一直說要修為什麼你執政你就拿不出版本\n423972\t447100\t我想委員容我來報告一下我們過去的主張不管我在當立法委員或是縣長我都主張修但是修必須有版本那我知道在立法過程裡面這個行政院長有拜會這個立法院長有希望折衷一個版本也透過立法院長這個你重複了我都了解我必須要講這個過程但是這個我都非常了解但是我們就說\n451801\t471512\t二十五年了。你們2012年就主張要修喔。接下來2012年了你還提不出版本。所以民進黨你現在才講說在我們這個表決的前一天才透過韓院長告訴朱主席這個再給我們四個月的時間\n473274\t497690\t你認為在野黨是沒讀書嗎?是文盲嗎?這個話我們會相信嗎?是,那所以...其實不來溝通,到了前一天才告訴我們財政收支法、劃分法我們行政院要在4個月才提出版本12年提不出版本啦,那4個月才要提,這個叫誠意嗎?後來朱立文主席不是講年底嗎?所以你們這個話變成說大家不會相信啦\n501393\t506688\t因為你們拖太久了啦OK 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主委再給我一分鐘的時間我再問一下最後一個問題\n509322\t536161\t我們剛剛一直提到就是說我們這個三大法案出來之後一直這個有民進黨的不管是徹底網軍或者是政論節目或者有一些的這個律友友一直主張說總統府總統不要公佈不要復那個行政院不要復屬了所以我還是最後要鄭重的來請教民主黨總統會不會公佈這部法案\n537990\t563160\t我講我剛剛已經回答過總統會如實是他是憲法的守護者所以他有務必執行憲法賦予的職權會來公佈一定會公佈那要等收到之後我們會如期公佈一定會公佈就會依照憲法72條來公佈對尊重我們三權分立下的立法權我呼籲我們總統府一定要公佈目前是五權了好好好OK好謝謝謝謝\n","txt":"好,謝謝主席,我們請潘秘書長有請潘秘書長秘書長早,我想昨天大法官全數都被否決嘛齁\n我首先想請問總統何時還會再補貼新的大法官跟委員報告齁我想這個昨天的一否決之後大概我們稍微討論因為還沒收到文齁那我想我們會在在目前考慮未來\n這個在合憲的當中裡面怎麼籌儲這個審見小組那是否要重新公告遴選與否總統已經在啟動相關的一些作業程序我們也會在充分討論之後會來對外公佈是那民主黨提到說是否還有否啊\n什麼?你還會否定說不提嗎?因為你剛才說是否會提當然要提啊這一定是應該要提的嘛絕對要提的嘛我剛剛的意思可能說不清就是說希望我們有不同的那種時間點因為這中間有過年是什麼時候公佈所以你現在沒有辦法回答我說到底大概時間點會落在什麼時候你沒有辦法具體回答\n但是一定會提就對了啦會補提名OK好那再請問民主黨您也當過立法委員也當過縣長在您的心目中您認為大法官他要符合什麼條件\n我告訴你我自己設定了四個門檻\n大法官學術專精還有有傑出的學術成就這一定是必要條件是第二個大法官的整個品格啊這個品德道德道德啊品德是不是一定情操一定要很高尚\n2、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結項目2、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結項目3、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結項目4、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結項目5、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結項目6、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結項目7、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結項目8、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結項目9、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結項目10、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結項目11、處理113年度中央政府總預\n當然所以這一次的大法官我們看到就是說為什麼全部都被刷掉就是經過審視都不符合這樣的一個資格但是昨天很遺憾的我們看到劉靜怡大法官這個劉靜怡啊竟然被這個民進黨否決掉所以我們看到一種狀況\n由晉宜因為民眾黨支持他但是賴總統提名他竟然被同黨的立法委員全部把他不贊成票連他都被刷掉所以我們不禁產生一個疑問是不是除了我剛才講的四個必要條件以外如果大法官是跟民進黨的主張不同不同調或者這個大法官是會罵民進黨的\n這個條件你們也把它納入你們的必要條件之一嗎?\n那我想這個都不是事實啦總統提名的被提名人都希望每一位被提名人能夠全數通過這是一個基本原則所以這個是沒有跟總統溝通過這個目前 府方完全不知道這個我們黨團有什麼樣的戰略 黨團有什麼樣的戰略基本上我們尊重過去民進黨成立以來在黨團以來都是國會自主黨團自主這是民主黨 這明顯打臉總統欸\n在總統提名的大法官竟然被執政黨的立法委員否決掉\n這個原因是什麼我想連那個劉靜怡大法官他自己都很想知道所以他也呼籲說賴總統你你是不是要來講這個說明一下或者府方你要說明一下到底他為什麼同黨的立法委員不支持他府方的態度很清楚就是總統所提名的七位被提名的人都希望完全都希望通過嘛所以是好OK好我接下來問一下下一個問題\n那小民主長你也擔任過我剛才講擔任過縣長齁財化法25年沒有修了你到底贊不贊成財化法要修我個人吶吼我贊成財化法修啊但這個修要充分的討論必須有科目細項因為不是只有人口還有土地面積包括所以你贊成修法的原因是什麼\n但是呢我贊成修但從來沒有一個黨能夠修過除了這一次以外我贊成的原因但因為不管是馬政府蔡政府或是扁政府都要修但沒有一個可以修得過去就是因為計算的基準\n議員議員議員議員議員議員議員議員議員議員議員議員議員議員\n為什麼我們全國民眾一直認為說財務法這次的修正民進黨為什麼會有這麼大的一個反彈當然你有部分做論述但是我們再看過去你們的呼籲\n賴清德總統在台南市長期間他就一直呼籲修正財務法給予地方創生發展地方經濟當時包含雲林縣的蘇志芬還有嘉義縣的張花冠縣長全部支持也包含蘇貞昌前院長他講什麼蘇貞昌當時是擔任民進黨的黨主席他講說他當地方首長時他編預算常常徹夜難眠半夜醒來全身都是冷汗\n就是因為才化法沒有修啊所以才化法的修正是非常重要的但是我們要告訴民進黨那如果你認為民進黨你也認為要修啊要修為什麼你們的版本遲遲拿不出來你執政了你過去再也一直說要修為什麼你執政你就拿不出版本\n我想委員容我來報告一下我們過去的主張不管我在當立法委員或是縣長我都主張修但是修必須有版本那我知道在立法過程裡面這個行政院長有拜會這個立法院長有希望折衷一個版本也透過立法院長這個你重複了我都了解我必須要講這個過程但是這個我都非常了解但是我們就說\n二十五年了。你們2012年就主張要修喔。接下來2012年了你還提不出版本。所以民進黨你現在才講說在我們這個表決的前一天才透過韓院長告訴朱主席這個再給我們四個月的時間\n你認為在野黨是沒讀書嗎?是文盲嗎?這個話我們會相信嗎?是,那所以...其實不來溝通,到了前一天才告訴我們財政收支法、劃分法我們行政院要在4個月才提出版本12年提不出版本啦,那4個月才要提,這個叫誠意嗎?後來朱立文主席不是講年底嗎?所以你們這個話變成說大家不會相信啦\n因為你們拖太久了啦OK 好 主委再給我一分鐘的時間我再問一下最後一個問題\n我們剛剛一直提到就是說我們這個三大法案出來之後一直這個有民進黨的不管是徹底網軍或者是政論節目或者有一些的這個律友友一直主張說總統府總統不要公佈不要復那個行政院不要復屬了所以我還是最後要鄭重的來請教民主黨總統會不會公佈這部法案\n我講我剛剛已經回答過總統會如實是他是憲法的守護者所以他有務必執行憲法賦予的職權會來公佈一定會公佈那要等收到之後我們會如期公佈一定會公佈就會依照憲法72條來公佈對尊重我們三權分立下的立法權我呼籲我們總統府一定要公佈目前是五權了好好好OK好謝謝謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.728 --> 00:20.402\n好,謝謝主席,我們請潘秘書長有請潘秘書長秘書長早,我想昨天大法官全數都被否決嘛齁\n\n00:22.182 --> 00:37.703\n我首先想請問總統何時還會再補貼新的大法官跟委員報告齁我想這個昨天的一否決之後大概我們稍微討論因為還沒收到文齁那我想我們會在在目前考慮未來\n\n00:39.284 --> 00:58.189\n這個在合憲的當中裡面怎麼籌儲這個審見小組那是否要重新公告遴選與否總統已經在啟動相關的一些作業程序我們也會在充分討論之後會來對外公佈是那民主黨提到說是否還有否啊\n\n01:01.072 --> 01:23.652\n什麼?你還會否定說不提嗎?因為你剛才說是否會提當然要提啊這一定是應該要提的嘛絕對要提的嘛我剛剛的意思可能說不清就是說希望我們有不同的那種時間點因為這中間有過年是什麼時候公佈所以你現在沒有辦法回答我說到底大概時間點會落在什麼時候你沒有辦法具體回答\n\n01:26.454 --> 01:39.344\n但是一定會提就對了啦會補提名OK好那再請問民主黨您也當過立法委員也當過縣長在您的心目中您認為大法官他要符合什麼條件\n\n01:40.950 --> 01:42.891\n我告訴你我自己設定了四個門檻\n\n02:09.485 --> 02:25.536\n大法官學術專精還有有傑出的學術成就這一定是必要條件是第二個大法官的整個品格啊這個品德道德道德啊品德是不是一定情操一定要很高尚\n\n02:26.317 --> 02:43.949\n2、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結項目2、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結項目3、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結項目4、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結項目5、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結項目6、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結項目7、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結項目8、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結項目9、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結項目10、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結項目11、處理113年度中央政府總預\n\n02:52.732 --> 03:10.118\n當然所以這一次的大法官我們看到就是說為什麼全部都被刷掉就是經過審視都不符合這樣的一個資格但是昨天很遺憾的我們看到劉靜怡大法官這個劉靜怡啊竟然被這個民進黨否決掉所以我們看到一種狀況\n\n03:11.926 --> 03:37.906\n由晉宜因為民眾黨支持他但是賴總統提名他竟然被同黨的立法委員全部把他不贊成票連他都被刷掉所以我們不禁產生一個疑問是不是除了我剛才講的四個必要條件以外如果大法官是跟民進黨的主張不同不同調或者這個大法官是會罵民進黨的\n\n03:40.985 --> 03:44.000\n這個條件你們也把它納入你們的必要條件之一嗎?\n\n03:45.393 --> 04:09.578\n那我想這個都不是事實啦總統提名的被提名人都希望每一位被提名人能夠全數通過這是一個基本原則所以這個是沒有跟總統溝通過這個目前府方完全不知道這個我們黨團有什麼樣的戰略黨團有什麼樣的戰略基本上我們尊重過去民進黨成立以來在黨團以來都是國會自主黨團自主這是民主黨這明顯打臉總統欸\n\n04:15.906 --> 04:22.096\n在總統提名的大法官竟然被執政黨的立法委員否決掉\n\n04:23.804 --> 04:49.921\n這個原因是什麼我想連那個劉靜怡大法官他自己都很想知道所以他也呼籲說賴總統你你是不是要來講這個說明一下或者府方你要說明一下到底他為什麼同黨的立法委員不支持他府方的態度很清楚就是總統所提名的七位被提名的人都希望完全都希望通過嘛所以是好OK好我接下來問一下下一個問題\n\n04:51.499 --> 05:10.475\n那小民主長你也擔任過我剛才講擔任過縣長齁財化法25年沒有修了你到底贊不贊成財化法要修我個人吶吼我贊成財化法修啊但這個修要充分的討論必須有科目細項因為不是只有人口還有土地面積包括所以你贊成修法的原因是什麼\n\n05:17.481 --> 05:34.535\n但是呢我贊成修但從來沒有一個黨能夠修過除了這一次以外我贊成的原因但因為不管是馬政府蔡政府或是扁政府都要修但沒有一個可以修得過去就是因為計算的基準\n\n05:58.118 --> 06:10.128\n為什麼我們全國民眾一直認為說財務法這次的修正民進黨為什麼會有這麼大的一個反彈當然你有部分做論述但是我們再看過去你們的呼籲\n\n06:11.736 --> 06:40.174\n賴清德總統在台南市長期間他就一直呼籲修正財務法給予地方創生發展地方經濟當時包含雲林縣的蘇志芬還有嘉義縣的張花冠縣長全部支持也包含蘇貞昌前院長他講什麼蘇貞昌當時是擔任民進黨的黨主席他講說他當地方首長時他編預算常常徹夜難眠半夜醒來全身都是冷汗\n\n06:41.567 --> 07:03.010\n就是因為才化法沒有修啊所以才化法的修正是非常重要的但是我們要告訴民進黨那如果你認為民進黨你也認為要修啊要修為什麼你們的版本遲遲拿不出來你執政了你過去再也一直說要修為什麼你執政你就拿不出版本\n\n07:03.972 --> 07:27.100\n我想委員容我來報告一下我們過去的主張不管我在當立法委員或是縣長我都主張修但是修必須有版本那我知道在立法過程裡面這個行政院長有拜會這個立法院長有希望折衷一個版本也透過立法院長這個你重複了我都了解我必須要講這個過程但是這個我都非常了解但是我們就說\n\n07:31.801 --> 07:51.512\n二十五年了。你們2012年就主張要修喔。接下來2012年了你還提不出版本。所以民進黨你現在才講說在我們這個表決的前一天才透過韓院長告訴朱主席這個再給我們四個月的時間\n\n07:53.274 --> 08:17.690\n你認為在野黨是沒讀書嗎?是文盲嗎?這個話我們會相信嗎?是,那所以...其實不來溝通,到了前一天才告訴我們財政收支法、劃分法我們行政院要在4個月才提出版本12年提不出版本啦,那4個月才要提,這個叫誠意嗎?後來朱立文主席不是講年底嗎?所以你們這個話變成說大家不會相信啦\n\n08:21.393 --> 08:26.688\n因為你們拖太久了啦OK好主委再給我一分鐘的時間我再問一下最後一個問題\n\n08:29.322 --> 08:56.161\n我們剛剛一直提到就是說我們這個三大法案出來之後一直這個有民進黨的不管是徹底網軍或者是政論節目或者有一些的這個律友友一直主張說總統府總統不要公佈不要復那個行政院不要復屬了所以我還是最後要鄭重的來請教民主黨總統會不會公佈這部法案\n\n08:57.990 --> 09:23.160\n我講我剛剛已經回答過總統會如實是他是憲法的守護者所以他有務必執行憲法賦予的職權會來公佈一定會公佈那要等收到之後我們會如期公佈一定會公佈就會依照憲法72條來公佈對尊重我們三權分立下的立法權我呼籲我們總統府一定要公佈目前是五權了好好好OK好謝謝謝謝\n\n","segments":[{"start":6.728,"end":20.402,"text":"好,謝謝主席,我們請潘秘書長有請潘秘書長秘書長早,我想昨天大法官全數都被否決嘛齁"},{"start":22.182,"end":37.703,"text":"我首先想請問總統何時還會再補貼新的大法官跟委員報告齁我想這個昨天的一否決之後大概我們稍微討論因為還沒收到文齁那我想我們會在在目前考慮未來"},{"start":39.284,"end":58.189,"text":"這個在合憲的當中裡面怎麼籌儲這個審見小組那是否要重新公告遴選與否總統已經在啟動相關的一些作業程序我們也會在充分討論之後會來對外公佈是那民主黨提到說是否還有否啊"},{"start":61.072,"end":83.652,"text":"什麼?你還會否定說不提嗎?因為你剛才說是否會提當然要提啊這一定是應該要提的嘛絕對要提的嘛我剛剛的意思可能說不清就是說希望我們有不同的那種時間點因為這中間有過年是什麼時候公佈所以你現在沒有辦法回答我說到底大概時間點會落在什麼時候你沒有辦法具體回答"},{"start":86.454,"end":99.344,"text":"但是一定會提就對了啦會補提名OK好那再請問民主黨您也當過立法委員也當過縣長在您的心目中您認為大法官他要符合什麼條件"},{"start":100.95,"end":102.891,"text":"我告訴你我自己設定了四個門檻"},{"start":129.485,"end":145.536,"text":"大法官學術專精還有有傑出的學術成就這一定是必要條件是第二個大法官的整個品格啊這個品德道德道德啊品德是不是一定情操一定要很高尚"},{"start":146.317,"end":163.949,"text":"2、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結項目2、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結項目3、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結項目4、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結項目5、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結項目6、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結項目7、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結項目8、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結項目9、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結項目10、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結項目11、處理113年度中央政府總預"},{"start":172.732,"end":190.118,"text":"當然所以這一次的大法官我們看到就是說為什麼全部都被刷掉就是經過審視都不符合這樣的一個資格但是昨天很遺憾的我們看到劉靜怡大法官這個劉靜怡啊竟然被這個民進黨否決掉所以我們看到一種狀況"},{"start":191.926,"end":217.906,"text":"由晉宜因為民眾黨支持他但是賴總統提名他竟然被同黨的立法委員全部把他不贊成票連他都被刷掉所以我們不禁產生一個疑問是不是除了我剛才講的四個必要條件以外如果大法官是跟民進黨的主張不同不同調或者這個大法官是會罵民進黨的"},{"start":220.985,"end":224,"text":"這個條件你們也把它納入你們的必要條件之一嗎?"},{"start":225.393,"end":249.578,"text":"那我想這個都不是事實啦總統提名的被提名人都希望每一位被提名人能夠全數通過這是一個基本原則所以這個是沒有跟總統溝通過這個目前 府方完全不知道這個我們黨團有什麼樣的戰略 黨團有什麼樣的戰略基本上我們尊重過去民進黨成立以來在黨團以來都是國會自主黨團自主這是民主黨 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