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00:00:27,703\n謝謝謝謝主席是不是請財政部莊部長是請莊部長委員早部長早我請教齁因為星期一啊您跟主記長陳淑芝在行政院開記者會齁那因為財務法過了以後齁那你們開記者會那我請教你\n\n2\n00:00:28,874 --> 00:00:36,268\n今天的預算要不要重編你跟主計長共同的一個看法要不要重編你告訴我\n\n3\n00:00:37,861 --> 00:01:01,752\n委員報告114年度的預算行政院已經送立法院那目前立法院也都在審議當中那這個有關財化法經過三讀通過以後整個對中央施政的一個相關治案我們會跟主席已經跟主席總署在我只要請問你你告訴我要不要重編嘛你要重編的話就不要再審了嘛對不對你不重編繼續審重編的話就不要審那等於是\n\n4\n00:01:06,794 --> 00:01:08,895\n這個是一個等於是憲政的爭議餒對不對允許憲政爭議餒114年的就在下個禮拜就開始了那怎麼從邊那整個中央的施政要怎麼樣推動那除了中央之外其實還有地方的預算\n\n5\n00:01:23,323 --> 00:01:50,239\n同樣他們都已經完成相關的審議在我們所知22個縣市大概只剩下4個還是3個縣市沒有完成審議我想這個部分知識體大我們也跟主總在這商量以及會跟行政院一起來討論有關憲政上的相關行政救濟的一些措施那各種措施我們都在評估那你認為要不要重編你告訴我就好跟委員報告就是還是我們這個部分對相關的救濟措施都還在評估當中\n\n6\n00:01:50,939 --> 00:02:10,684\n所以說114年其實已經在下個禮拜就要開始了那你認為目前還未定數就對了啦是不是那你不要說你到時候從偏那你等於是把這些委員當什麼讓你們耍來耍去三讀通過的你們可以任意說我預算從偏現在都在審對不對\n\n7\n00:02:12,745 --> 00:02:17,309\n委員吳琪銘等16人提案如經院會復議．則不予審查委員吳琪銘等16人提案如經院會復議．則不予審查\n\n8\n00:02:34,322 --> 00:02:43,700\n我認為說知識體大部長任何事情你要深思熟慮當然我們一定是深思熟慮\n\n9\n00:02:45,565 --> 00:03:07,404\n我希望你好好的不要說這個25年沒有修一修過以後就提出各種方式各種方法來抵觸我認為說這是國會餒國會殿堂公務人員要依法行政不是說讓你說為所欲為我希望一定要守法行政機關從來不會為所欲為\n\n10\n00:03:09,366 --> 00:03:35,680\n部長針對川普上任後的可能推動的稅務措施從總體經濟面的風險面向來看金融業必須面臨關稅提高甚至於通膨以及高利率期間更久的這些挑戰上個禮拜央行李建世會這個楊總裁也提到美國經貿政策是明年國內經濟成長的重要變數\n\n11\n00:03:40,308 --> 00:04:06,285\n雖然暫時沒有辦法把這些稍微開始政策憑空放到預測裡面但是他說可能明年第二季、第三季就會有一些變化那針對楊總裁預期可能明年第二、第三季的變化請問部長如果川普政策成真金融業要怎麼來面對關稅與高利率的負面影響\n\n12\n00:04:09,588 --> 00:04:26,859\n有關於川普在1月20號上任以後他在相關的稅率的政策上不管是關稅也好、國內的稅也好甚至其他的例如說利率相關的一些政策是他在選舉期間的言論至於他就任以後各項稅務的政策\n\n13\n00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:46,302\n什麼時候落實實施以及它的強度如何以及對應的相關國家其實大家都還在密切的關注那行政部門也都非常審慎的在持續的觀察行政院也有專案的小組會議那我們會在這裡面相關部會都會在裡面做討論\n\n14\n00:04:47,423 --> 00:05:05,220\n部長列出時經管會拜訪財政部媒體報導與會的官員的轉述經管會有三個議題包括臺商擔心海外資金匯回的課稅問題還有境外金融中心租稅優惠\n\n15\n00:05:07,742 --> 00:05:31,572\n以及國際保險業務公司租稅優惠那我請問部長當時會談的三個議題是不是和川普上任可能減稅以及提高關稅有直接的關係主要經管會那天到財政部我們一起做會談主要是因為經管會目前在積極推奏\n\n16\n00:05:32,072 --> 00:05:56,534\n推動亞洲資產管理中心相關的業務儘管會積極推動但是這些業務裡面會涉及到稅務的部分他們來做一個瞭解財政部也就這裡面的有關稅務的部分跟他們做說明以及對於現在在稅制上的一些規定我們也是在會後提供讓他們去了解這樣他們在推動的時候對稅務上的一些才會有所疑\n\n17\n00:05:57,234 --> 00:06:19,126\n理解那也可以對外做一個說明我們就最主要那一天是相互做一個會談是瞭解一些付稅上目前現行的一些規定主要是這樣子因為對於這些議題涉及租稅優惠、減免課稅我請問部長你認為應該要堅持財政部的立場還是可以考慮降稅因應\n\n18\n00:06:21,847 --> 00:06:47,104\n現行我們的租稅已經有很多已經有一些合適的租稅優惠的措施那這些優惠的措施我們也會一併提供給經管會讓他們去了解說在推動這些業務的時候現行的租稅優惠措施是可以運用的我想這個部分是財政部一直在跟經管會也在說明的部分因為經管會有時候在稅的部分因為他不是那麼了解的部分我們都會提供是\n\n19\n00:06:48,055 --> 00:07:16,272\n那你認為要是對這些議題如果給予負稅上優惠的適用你認為會不會發生因為稅收優惠造成資源分配被排擠的疑慮會不會對於要提出來主張要租稅優惠的部分財政部當然會審慎的評估做各個面向不管是租稅公平也好是國家財政的面向也好以及它的有效性在哪裡都會要做詳細的評估的部長\n\n20\n00:07:18,010 --> 00:07:32,351\n針對臺美租稅協定的進度財政部國財司表示10月底美國啟動諮商開始財政部與華虎有對等的諮商討論那面對面討論租稅協定的事宜部長\n\n21\n00:07:33,132 --> 00:07:56,461\n因為臺美租稅協定去年中你就說希望下半年可以展開諮商結果拖了一年才開始進入實體的諮商那我請問因為民主黨的拜登政府和政黨輪替上任的共和黨川普政府你認為美國哪個政黨的諮商的難度高\n\n22\n00:07:57,381 --> 00:08:02,466\n對於有關臺美之間簽訂租稅避免雙重課稅這個事情不管是共和黨跟民主黨他們在國會裡面都是支持的因此今年在1月的時候兩個法案就是快速解免法案以及授權法案是無意通過那只是在參院的時候因為包裹法案其中的一個法案有法條\n\n23\n00:08:22,145 --> 00:08:39,452\n因為部份的委員有一些不同的意見以至於我們因為在這個包裹裡面沒有能夠進行所以說你認為應該不會有變數之類的我們一直都在持續性的進行技術性的協商我們的國財司跟對方的財政部一直就法條的技術性的部分一直都有在進行\n\n24\n00:08:40,832 --> 00:08:53,100\n今年是有進一步的在做討論不管在討論的時候我們都是以美國稅約的範本來做一個藍本進行討論的因為美國大選後總統、國會都換黨執政以目前美國的整個狀況進入實體諮商後你認為推動洽簽會有哪些變數?會不會有變數?我想這個不管是美國的\n\n25\n00:09:07,068 --> 00:09:31,509\n以及臺灣我們這邊的跨境投資的以及相關的一些人民也好、企業也好都期待避免雙重課稅這個協定能夠趕快簽署比如像美國的企業如美臺商會還有臺美商會以及我國企業就是包括中華民國的全國工業總會、中華民國的工商協定協會都希望雙方能夠盡快簽訂我想這是我們一向期待的\n\n26\n00:09:31,909 --> 00:09:41,072\n那麼美國的國會裡面過去我們看到兩黨、跨黨派的議員基本也都是支持的部長當然大家都期待這樣子但是以目前川普選前對台灣的態度\n\n27\n00:09:47,487 --> 00:10:15,465\n這個從要求支付更多保護費到聲稱臺灣偷走美國半導體的產業那請問部長你會不會擔憂這個臺美租稅協定洽簽進度有可能受影響甚至於繼續的延宕下去你認為會不會我覺得這個是對雙方都有利不管是我們臺灣去供應鏈到美國去投資或者是美國到臺灣來投資這個稅雙方都有利避免\n\n28\n00:10:15,945 --> 00:10:16,605\n所謂的被雙重課稅\n\n29\n00:10:33,030 --> 00:10:52,215\n但是我認為這個未來還未知數我認為這個是真的需要去以部長你一年當過一年因為去年說今年年底一定會洽簽但是還是在拖\n\n30\n00:10:53,875 --> 00:11:18,621\n這涉及到美國內部的一些情勢因為他們今年的年底有大選這個部分那對我們來說財政部跟美方財政部一直在進行技術性的一些協商因為不管要簽訂協定一定會對雙方的一些國內的稅法都要進行瞭解這都是前置作業那又如此啦我們希望說能夠順利洽天啦當然我們也是希望謝謝我們跟外交部也都一起在努力謝謝委員的關心好謝謝德輔委員接著請吳秉瑞委員花言\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1281\t27703\t謝謝謝謝主席是不是請財政部莊部長是請莊部長委員早部長早我請教齁因為星期一啊您跟主記長陳淑芝在行政院開記者會齁那因為財務法過了以後齁那你們開記者會那我請教你\n28874\t36268\t今天的預算要不要重編你跟主計長共同的一個看法要不要重編你告訴我\n37861\t61752\t委員報告114年度的預算行政院已經送立法院那目前立法院也都在審議當中那這個有關財化法經過三讀通過以後整個對中央施政的一個相關治案我們會跟主席已經跟主席總署在我只要請問你你告訴我要不要重編嘛你要重編的話就不要再審了嘛對不對你不重編繼續審重編的話就不要審那等於是\n66794\t68895\t這個是一個等於是憲政的爭議餒對不對允許憲政爭議餒114年的就在下個禮拜就開始了那怎麼從邊那整個中央的施政要怎麼樣推動那除了中央之外其實還有地方的預算\n83323\t110239\t同樣他們都已經完成相關的審議在我們所知22個縣市大概只剩下4個還是3個縣市沒有完成審議我想這個部分知識體大我們也跟主總在這商量以及會跟行政院一起來討論有關憲政上的相關行政救濟的一些措施那各種措施我們都在評估那你認為要不要重編你告訴我就好跟委員報告就是還是我們這個部分對相關的救濟措施都還在評估當中\n110939\t130684\t所以說114年其實已經在下個禮拜就要開始了那你認為目前還未定數就對了啦是不是那你不要說你到時候從偏那你等於是把這些委員當什麼讓你們耍來耍去三讀通過的你們可以任意說我預算從偏現在都在審對不對\n132745\t137309\t委員吳琪銘等16人提案如經院會復議．則不予審查委員吳琪銘等16人提案如經院會復議．則不予審查\n154322\t163700\t我認為說知識體大部長任何事情你要深思熟慮當然我們一定是深思熟慮\n165565\t187404\t我希望你好好的不要說這個25年沒有修一修過以後就提出各種方式各種方法來抵觸我認為說這是國會餒國會殿堂公務人員要依法行政不是說讓你說為所欲為我希望一定要守法行政機關從來不會為所欲為\n189366\t215680\t部長針對川普上任後的可能推動的稅務措施從總體經濟面的風險面向來看金融業必須面臨關稅提高甚至於通膨以及高利率期間更久的這些挑戰上個禮拜央行李建世會這個楊總裁也提到美國經貿政策是明年國內經濟成長的重要變數\n220308\t246285\t雖然暫時沒有辦法把這些稍微開始政策憑空放到預測裡面但是他說可能明年第二季、第三季就會有一些變化那針對楊總裁預期可能明年第二、第三季的變化請問部長如果川普政策成真金融業要怎麼來面對關稅與高利率的負面影響\n249588\t266859\t有關於川普在1月20號上任以後他在相關的稅率的政策上不管是關稅也好、國內的稅也好甚至其他的例如說利率相關的一些政策是他在選舉期間的言論至於他就任以後各項稅務的政策\n269120\t286302\t什麼時候落實實施以及它的強度如何以及對應的相關國家其實大家都還在密切的關注那行政部門也都非常審慎的在持續的觀察行政院也有專案的小組會議那我們會在這裡面相關部會都會在裡面做討論\n287423\t305220\t部長 列出時經管會拜訪財政部媒體報導與會的官員的轉述經管會有三個議題包括臺商擔心海外資金匯回的課稅問題還有境外金融中心租稅優惠\n307742\t331572\t以及國際保險業務公司 租稅優惠那我請問部長當時會談的三個議題是不是和川普上任可能減稅以及提高關稅有直接的關係主要經管會那天到財政部我們一起做會談主要是因為經管會目前在積極推奏\n332072\t356534\t推動亞洲資產管理中心相關的業務儘管會積極推動但是這些業務裡面會涉及到稅務的部分他們來做一個瞭解財政部也就這裡面的有關稅務的部分跟他們做說明以及對於現在在稅制上的一些規定我們也是在會後提供讓他們去了解這樣他們在推動的時候對稅務上的一些才會有所疑\n357234\t379126\t理解那也可以對外做一個說明我們就最主要那一天是相互做一個會談是瞭解一些付稅上目前現行的一些規定主要是這樣子因為對於這些議題涉及租稅優惠、減免課稅我請問部長你認為應該要堅持財政部的立場還是可以考慮降稅因應\n381847\t407104\t現行我們的租稅已經有很多已經有一些合適的租稅優惠的措施那這些優惠的措施我們也會一併提供給經管會讓他們去了解說在推動這些業務的時候現行的租稅優惠措施是可以運用的我想這個部分是財政部一直在跟經管會也在說明的部分因為經管會有時候在稅的部分因為他不是那麼了解的部分我們都會提供是\n408055\t436272\t那你認為要是對這些議題如果給予負稅上優惠的適用你認為會不會發生因為稅收優惠造成資源分配被排擠的疑慮會不會對於要提出來主張要租稅優惠的部分財政部當然會審慎的評估做各個面向不管是租稅公平也好是國家財政的面向也好以及它的有效性在哪裡都會要做詳細的評估的部長\n438010\t452351\t針對臺美租稅協定的進度財政部國財司表示10月底美國啟動諮商開始財政部與華虎有對等的諮商討論那面對面討論租稅協定的事宜部長\n453132\t476461\t因為臺美租稅協定去年中你就說希望下半年可以展開諮商結果拖了一年才開始進入實體的諮商那我請問因為民主黨的拜登政府和政黨輪替上任的共和黨川普政府你認為美國哪個政黨的諮商的難度高\n477381\t482466\t對於有關臺美之間簽訂租稅避免雙重課稅這個事情不管是共和黨跟民主黨他們在國會裡面都是支持的因此今年在1月的時候兩個法案就是快速解免法案以及授權法案是無意通過那只是在參院的時候因為包裹法案其中的一個法案有法條\n502145\t519452\t因為部份的委員有一些不同的意見以至於我們因為在這個包裹裡面沒有能夠進行所以說你認為應該不會有變數之類的我們一直都在持續性的進行技術性的協商我們的國財司跟對方的財政部一直就法條的技術性的部分一直都有在進行\n520832\t533100\t今年是有進一步的在做討論不管在討論的時候我們都是以美國稅約的範本來做一個藍本進行討論的因為美國大選後總統、國會都換黨執政以目前美國的整個狀況進入實體諮商後你認為推動洽簽會有哪些變數?會不會有變數?我想這個不管是美國的\n547068\t571509\t以及臺灣我們這邊的跨境投資的以及相關的一些人民也好、企業也好都期待避免雙重課稅這個協定能夠趕快簽署比如像美國的企業如美臺商會還有臺美商會以及我國企業就是包括中華民國的全國工業總會、中華民國的工商協定協會都希望雙方能夠盡快簽訂我想這是我們一向期待的\n571909\t581072\t那麼美國的國會裡面過去我們看到兩黨、跨黨派的議員基本也都是支持的部長當然大家都期待這樣子但是以目前川普選前對台灣的態度\n587487\t615465\t這個從要求支付更多保護費到聲稱臺灣偷走美國半導體的產業那請問部長你會不會擔憂這個臺美租稅協定洽簽進度有可能受影響甚至於繼續的延宕下去你認為會不會我覺得這個是對雙方都有利不管是我們臺灣去供應鏈到美國去投資或者是美國到臺灣來投資這個稅雙方都有利避免\n615945\t616605\t所謂的被雙重課稅\n633030\t652215\t但是我認為這個未來還未知數我認為這個是真的需要去以部長你一年當過一年因為去年說今年年底一定會洽簽但是還是在拖\n653875\t678621\t這涉及到美國內部的一些情勢因為他們今年的年底有大選這個部分那對我們來說財政部跟美方財政部一直在進行技術性的一些協商因為不管要簽訂協定一定會對雙方的一些國內的稅法都要進行瞭解這都是前置作業那又如此啦我們希望說能夠順利洽天啦當然我們也是希望謝謝我們跟外交部也都一起在努力謝謝委員的關心好謝謝德輔委員接著請吳秉瑞委員花言\n","txt":"謝謝謝謝主席是不是請財政部莊部長是請莊部長委員早部長早我請教齁因為星期一啊您跟主記長陳淑芝在行政院開記者會齁那因為財務法過了以後齁那你們開記者會那我請教你\n今天的預算要不要重編你跟主計長共同的一個看法要不要重編你告訴我\n委員報告114年度的預算行政院已經送立法院那目前立法院也都在審議當中那這個有關財化法經過三讀通過以後整個對中央施政的一個相關治案我們會跟主席已經跟主席總署在我只要請問你你告訴我要不要重編嘛你要重編的話就不要再審了嘛對不對你不重編繼續審重編的話就不要審那等於是\n這個是一個等於是憲政的爭議餒對不對允許憲政爭議餒114年的就在下個禮拜就開始了那怎麼從邊那整個中央的施政要怎麼樣推動那除了中央之外其實還有地方的預算\n同樣他們都已經完成相關的審議在我們所知22個縣市大概只剩下4個還是3個縣市沒有完成審議我想這個部分知識體大我們也跟主總在這商量以及會跟行政院一起來討論有關憲政上的相關行政救濟的一些措施那各種措施我們都在評估那你認為要不要重編你告訴我就好跟委員報告就是還是我們這個部分對相關的救濟措施都還在評估當中\n所以說114年其實已經在下個禮拜就要開始了那你認為目前還未定數就對了啦是不是那你不要說你到時候從偏那你等於是把這些委員當什麼讓你們耍來耍去三讀通過的你們可以任意說我預算從偏現在都在審對不對\n委員吳琪銘等16人提案如經院會復議．則不予審查委員吳琪銘等16人提案如經院會復議．則不予審查\n我認為說知識體大部長任何事情你要深思熟慮當然我們一定是深思熟慮\n我希望你好好的不要說這個25年沒有修一修過以後就提出各種方式各種方法來抵觸我認為說這是國會餒國會殿堂公務人員要依法行政不是說讓你說為所欲為我希望一定要守法行政機關從來不會為所欲為\n部長針對川普上任後的可能推動的稅務措施從總體經濟面的風險面向來看金融業必須面臨關稅提高甚至於通膨以及高利率期間更久的這些挑戰上個禮拜央行李建世會這個楊總裁也提到美國經貿政策是明年國內經濟成長的重要變數\n雖然暫時沒有辦法把這些稍微開始政策憑空放到預測裡面但是他說可能明年第二季、第三季就會有一些變化那針對楊總裁預期可能明年第二、第三季的變化請問部長如果川普政策成真金融業要怎麼來面對關稅與高利率的負面影響\n有關於川普在1月20號上任以後他在相關的稅率的政策上不管是關稅也好、國內的稅也好甚至其他的例如說利率相關的一些政策是他在選舉期間的言論至於他就任以後各項稅務的政策\n什麼時候落實實施以及它的強度如何以及對應的相關國家其實大家都還在密切的關注那行政部門也都非常審慎的在持續的觀察行政院也有專案的小組會議那我們會在這裡面相關部會都會在裡面做討論\n部長 列出時經管會拜訪財政部媒體報導與會的官員的轉述經管會有三個議題包括臺商擔心海外資金匯回的課稅問題還有境外金融中心租稅優惠\n以及國際保險業務公司 租稅優惠那我請問部長當時會談的三個議題是不是和川普上任可能減稅以及提高關稅有直接的關係主要經管會那天到財政部我們一起做會談主要是因為經管會目前在積極推奏\n推動亞洲資產管理中心相關的業務儘管會積極推動但是這些業務裡面會涉及到稅務的部分他們來做一個瞭解財政部也就這裡面的有關稅務的部分跟他們做說明以及對於現在在稅制上的一些規定我們也是在會後提供讓他們去了解這樣他們在推動的時候對稅務上的一些才會有所疑\n理解那也可以對外做一個說明我們就最主要那一天是相互做一個會談是瞭解一些付稅上目前現行的一些規定主要是這樣子因為對於這些議題涉及租稅優惠、減免課稅我請問部長你認為應該要堅持財政部的立場還是可以考慮降稅因應\n現行我們的租稅已經有很多已經有一些合適的租稅優惠的措施那這些優惠的措施我們也會一併提供給經管會讓他們去了解說在推動這些業務的時候現行的租稅優惠措施是可以運用的我想這個部分是財政部一直在跟經管會也在說明的部分因為經管會有時候在稅的部分因為他不是那麼了解的部分我們都會提供是\n那你認為要是對這些議題如果給予負稅上優惠的適用你認為會不會發生因為稅收優惠造成資源分配被排擠的疑慮會不會對於要提出來主張要租稅優惠的部分財政部當然會審慎的評估做各個面向不管是租稅公平也好是國家財政的面向也好以及它的有效性在哪裡都會要做詳細的評估的部長\n針對臺美租稅協定的進度財政部國財司表示10月底美國啟動諮商開始財政部與華虎有對等的諮商討論那面對面討論租稅協定的事宜部長\n因為臺美租稅協定去年中你就說希望下半年可以展開諮商結果拖了一年才開始進入實體的諮商那我請問因為民主黨的拜登政府和政黨輪替上任的共和黨川普政府你認為美國哪個政黨的諮商的難度高\n對於有關臺美之間簽訂租稅避免雙重課稅這個事情不管是共和黨跟民主黨他們在國會裡面都是支持的因此今年在1月的時候兩個法案就是快速解免法案以及授權法案是無意通過那只是在參院的時候因為包裹法案其中的一個法案有法條\n因為部份的委員有一些不同的意見以至於我們因為在這個包裹裡面沒有能夠進行所以說你認為應該不會有變數之類的我們一直都在持續性的進行技術性的協商我們的國財司跟對方的財政部一直就法條的技術性的部分一直都有在進行\n今年是有進一步的在做討論不管在討論的時候我們都是以美國稅約的範本來做一個藍本進行討論的因為美國大選後總統、國會都換黨執政以目前美國的整個狀況進入實體諮商後你認為推動洽簽會有哪些變數?會不會有變數?我想這個不管是美國的\n以及臺灣我們這邊的跨境投資的以及相關的一些人民也好、企業也好都期待避免雙重課稅這個協定能夠趕快簽署比如像美國的企業如美臺商會還有臺美商會以及我國企業就是包括中華民國的全國工業總會、中華民國的工商協定協會都希望雙方能夠盡快簽訂我想這是我們一向期待的\n那麼美國的國會裡面過去我們看到兩黨、跨黨派的議員基本也都是支持的部長當然大家都期待這樣子但是以目前川普選前對台灣的態度\n這個從要求支付更多保護費到聲稱臺灣偷走美國半導體的產業那請問部長你會不會擔憂這個臺美租稅協定洽簽進度有可能受影響甚至於繼續的延宕下去你認為會不會我覺得這個是對雙方都有利不管是我們臺灣去供應鏈到美國去投資或者是美國到臺灣來投資這個稅雙方都有利避免\n所謂的被雙重課稅\n但是我認為這個未來還未知數我認為這個是真的需要去以部長你一年當過一年因為去年說今年年底一定會洽簽但是還是在拖\n這涉及到美國內部的一些情勢因為他們今年的年底有大選這個部分那對我們來說財政部跟美方財政部一直在進行技術性的一些協商因為不管要簽訂協定一定會對雙方的一些國內的稅法都要進行瞭解這都是前置作業那又如此啦我們希望說能夠順利洽天啦當然我們也是希望謝謝我們跟外交部也都一起在努力謝謝委員的關心好謝謝德輔委員接著請吳秉瑞委員花言\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.281 --> 00:27.703\n謝謝謝謝主席是不是請財政部莊部長是請莊部長委員早部長早我請教齁因為星期一啊您跟主記長陳淑芝在行政院開記者會齁那因為財務法過了以後齁那你們開記者會那我請教你\n\n00:28.874 --> 00:36.268\n今天的預算要不要重編你跟主計長共同的一個看法要不要重編你告訴我\n\n00:37.861 --> 01:01.752\n委員報告114年度的預算行政院已經送立法院那目前立法院也都在審議當中那這個有關財化法經過三讀通過以後整個對中央施政的一個相關治案我們會跟主席已經跟主席總署在我只要請問你你告訴我要不要重編嘛你要重編的話就不要再審了嘛對不對你不重編繼續審重編的話就不要審那等於是\n\n01:06.794 --> 01:08.895\n這個是一個等於是憲政的爭議餒對不對允許憲政爭議餒114年的就在下個禮拜就開始了那怎麼從邊那整個中央的施政要怎麼樣推動那除了中央之外其實還有地方的預算\n\n01:23.323 --> 01:50.239\n同樣他們都已經完成相關的審議在我們所知22個縣市大概只剩下4個還是3個縣市沒有完成審議我想這個部分知識體大我們也跟主總在這商量以及會跟行政院一起來討論有關憲政上的相關行政救濟的一些措施那各種措施我們都在評估那你認為要不要重編你告訴我就好跟委員報告就是還是我們這個部分對相關的救濟措施都還在評估當中\n\n01:50.939 --> 02:10.684\n所以說114年其實已經在下個禮拜就要開始了那你認為目前還未定數就對了啦是不是那你不要說你到時候從偏那你等於是把這些委員當什麼讓你們耍來耍去三讀通過的你們可以任意說我預算從偏現在都在審對不對\n\n02:12.745 --> 02:17.309\n委員吳琪銘等16人提案如經院會復議．則不予審查委員吳琪銘等16人提案如經院會復議．則不予審查\n\n02:34.322 --> 02:43.700\n我認為說知識體大部長任何事情你要深思熟慮當然我們一定是深思熟慮\n\n02:45.565 --> 03:07.404\n我希望你好好的不要說這個25年沒有修一修過以後就提出各種方式各種方法來抵觸我認為說這是國會餒國會殿堂公務人員要依法行政不是說讓你說為所欲為我希望一定要守法行政機關從來不會為所欲為\n\n03:09.366 --> 03:35.680\n部長針對川普上任後的可能推動的稅務措施從總體經濟面的風險面向來看金融業必須面臨關稅提高甚至於通膨以及高利率期間更久的這些挑戰上個禮拜央行李建世會這個楊總裁也提到美國經貿政策是明年國內經濟成長的重要變數\n\n03:40.308 --> 04:06.285\n雖然暫時沒有辦法把這些稍微開始政策憑空放到預測裡面但是他說可能明年第二季、第三季就會有一些變化那針對楊總裁預期可能明年第二、第三季的變化請問部長如果川普政策成真金融業要怎麼來面對關稅與高利率的負面影響\n\n04:09.588 --> 04:26.859\n有關於川普在1月20號上任以後他在相關的稅率的政策上不管是關稅也好、國內的稅也好甚至其他的例如說利率相關的一些政策是他在選舉期間的言論至於他就任以後各項稅務的政策\n\n04:29.120 --> 04:46.302\n什麼時候落實實施以及它的強度如何以及對應的相關國家其實大家都還在密切的關注那行政部門也都非常審慎的在持續的觀察行政院也有專案的小組會議那我們會在這裡面相關部會都會在裡面做討論\n\n04:47.423 --> 05:05.220\n部長列出時經管會拜訪財政部媒體報導與會的官員的轉述經管會有三個議題包括臺商擔心海外資金匯回的課稅問題還有境外金融中心租稅優惠\n\n05:07.742 --> 05:31.572\n以及國際保險業務公司租稅優惠那我請問部長當時會談的三個議題是不是和川普上任可能減稅以及提高關稅有直接的關係主要經管會那天到財政部我們一起做會談主要是因為經管會目前在積極推奏\n\n05:32.072 --> 05:56.534\n推動亞洲資產管理中心相關的業務儘管會積極推動但是這些業務裡面會涉及到稅務的部分他們來做一個瞭解財政部也就這裡面的有關稅務的部分跟他們做說明以及對於現在在稅制上的一些規定我們也是在會後提供讓他們去了解這樣他們在推動的時候對稅務上的一些才會有所疑\n\n05:57.234 --> 06:19.126\n理解那也可以對外做一個說明我們就最主要那一天是相互做一個會談是瞭解一些付稅上目前現行的一些規定主要是這樣子因為對於這些議題涉及租稅優惠、減免課稅我請問部長你認為應該要堅持財政部的立場還是可以考慮降稅因應\n\n06:21.847 --> 06:47.104\n現行我們的租稅已經有很多已經有一些合適的租稅優惠的措施那這些優惠的措施我們也會一併提供給經管會讓他們去了解說在推動這些業務的時候現行的租稅優惠措施是可以運用的我想這個部分是財政部一直在跟經管會也在說明的部分因為經管會有時候在稅的部分因為他不是那麼了解的部分我們都會提供是\n\n06:48.055 --> 07:16.272\n那你認為要是對這些議題如果給予負稅上優惠的適用你認為會不會發生因為稅收優惠造成資源分配被排擠的疑慮會不會對於要提出來主張要租稅優惠的部分財政部當然會審慎的評估做各個面向不管是租稅公平也好是國家財政的面向也好以及它的有效性在哪裡都會要做詳細的評估的部長\n\n07:18.010 --> 07:32.351\n針對臺美租稅協定的進度財政部國財司表示10月底美國啟動諮商開始財政部與華虎有對等的諮商討論那面對面討論租稅協定的事宜部長\n\n07:33.132 --> 07:56.461\n因為臺美租稅協定去年中你就說希望下半年可以展開諮商結果拖了一年才開始進入實體的諮商那我請問因為民主黨的拜登政府和政黨輪替上任的共和黨川普政府你認為美國哪個政黨的諮商的難度高\n\n07:57.381 --> 08:02.466\n對於有關臺美之間簽訂租稅避免雙重課稅這個事情不管是共和黨跟民主黨他們在國會裡面都是支持的因此今年在1月的時候兩個法案就是快速解免法案以及授權法案是無意通過那只是在參院的時候因為包裹法案其中的一個法案有法條\n\n08:22.145 --> 08:39.452\n因為部份的委員有一些不同的意見以至於我們因為在這個包裹裡面沒有能夠進行所以說你認為應該不會有變數之類的我們一直都在持續性的進行技術性的協商我們的國財司跟對方的財政部一直就法條的技術性的部分一直都有在進行\n\n08:40.832 --> 08:53.100\n今年是有進一步的在做討論不管在討論的時候我們都是以美國稅約的範本來做一個藍本進行討論的因為美國大選後總統、國會都換黨執政以目前美國的整個狀況進入實體諮商後你認為推動洽簽會有哪些變數?會不會有變數?我想這個不管是美國的\n\n09:07.068 --> 09:31.509\n以及臺灣我們這邊的跨境投資的以及相關的一些人民也好、企業也好都期待避免雙重課稅這個協定能夠趕快簽署比如像美國的企業如美臺商會還有臺美商會以及我國企業就是包括中華民國的全國工業總會、中華民國的工商協定協會都希望雙方能夠盡快簽訂我想這是我們一向期待的\n\n09:31.909 --> 09:41.072\n那麼美國的國會裡面過去我們看到兩黨、跨黨派的議員基本也都是支持的部長當然大家都期待這樣子但是以目前川普選前對台灣的態度\n\n09:47.487 --> 10:15.465\n這個從要求支付更多保護費到聲稱臺灣偷走美國半導體的產業那請問部長你會不會擔憂這個臺美租稅協定洽簽進度有可能受影響甚至於繼續的延宕下去你認為會不會我覺得這個是對雙方都有利不管是我們臺灣去供應鏈到美國去投資或者是美國到臺灣來投資這個稅雙方都有利避免\n\n10:15.945 --> 10:16.605\n所謂的被雙重課稅\n\n10:33.030 --> 10:52.215\n但是我認為這個未來還未知數我認為這個是真的需要去以部長你一年當過一年因為去年說今年年底一定會洽簽但是還是在拖\n\n10:53.875 --> 11:18.621\n這涉及到美國內部的一些情勢因為他們今年的年底有大選這個部分那對我們來說財政部跟美方財政部一直在進行技術性的一些協商因為不管要簽訂協定一定會對雙方的一些國內的稅法都要進行瞭解這都是前置作業那又如此啦我們希望說能夠順利洽天啦當然我們也是希望謝謝我們跟外交部也都一起在努力謝謝委員的關心好謝謝德輔委員接著請吳秉瑞委員花言\n\n","segments":[{"start":1.281,"end":27.703,"text":"謝謝謝謝主席是不是請財政部莊部長是請莊部長委員早部長早我請教齁因為星期一啊您跟主記長陳淑芝在行政院開記者會齁那因為財務法過了以後齁那你們開記者會那我請教你"},{"start":28.874,"end":36.268,"text":"今天的預算要不要重編你跟主計長共同的一個看法要不要重編你告訴我"},{"start":37.861,"end":61.752,"text":"委員報告114年度的預算行政院已經送立法院那目前立法院也都在審議當中那這個有關財化法經過三讀通過以後整個對中央施政的一個相關治案我們會跟主席已經跟主席總署在我只要請問你你告訴我要不要重編嘛你要重編的話就不要再審了嘛對不對你不重編繼續審重編的話就不要審那等於是"},{"start":66.794,"end":68.895,"text":"這個是一個等於是憲政的爭議餒對不對允許憲政爭議餒114年的就在下個禮拜就開始了那怎麼從邊那整個中央的施政要怎麼樣推動那除了中央之外其實還有地方的預算"},{"start":83.323,"end":110.239,"text":"同樣他們都已經完成相關的審議在我們所知22個縣市大概只剩下4個還是3個縣市沒有完成審議我想這個部分知識體大我們也跟主總在這商量以及會跟行政院一起來討論有關憲政上的相關行政救濟的一些措施那各種措施我們都在評估那你認為要不要重編你告訴我就好跟委員報告就是還是我們這個部分對相關的救濟措施都還在評估當中"},{"start":110.939,"end":130.684,"text":"所以說114年其實已經在下個禮拜就要開始了那你認為目前還未定數就對了啦是不是那你不要說你到時候從偏那你等於是把這些委員當什麼讓你們耍來耍去三讀通過的你們可以任意說我預算從偏現在都在審對不對"},{"start":132.745,"end":137.309,"text":"委員吳琪銘等16人提案如經院會復議．則不予審查委員吳琪銘等16人提案如經院會復議．則不予審查"},{"start":154.322,"end":163.7,"text":"我認為說知識體大部長任何事情你要深思熟慮當然我們一定是深思熟慮"},{"start":165.565,"end":187.404,"text":"我希望你好好的不要說這個25年沒有修一修過以後就提出各種方式各種方法來抵觸我認為說這是國會餒國會殿堂公務人員要依法行政不是說讓你說為所欲為我希望一定要守法行政機關從來不會為所欲為"},{"start":189.366,"end":215.68,"text":"部長針對川普上任後的可能推動的稅務措施從總體經濟面的風險面向來看金融業必須面臨關稅提高甚至於通膨以及高利率期間更久的這些挑戰上個禮拜央行李建世會這個楊總裁也提到美國經貿政策是明年國內經濟成長的重要變數"},{"start":220.308,"end":246.285,"text":"雖然暫時沒有辦法把這些稍微開始政策憑空放到預測裡面但是他說可能明年第二季、第三季就會有一些變化那針對楊總裁預期可能明年第二、第三季的變化請問部長如果川普政策成真金融業要怎麼來面對關稅與高利率的負面影響"},{"start":249.588,"end":266.859,"text":"有關於川普在1月20號上任以後他在相關的稅率的政策上不管是關稅也好、國內的稅也好甚至其他的例如說利率相關的一些政策是他在選舉期間的言論至於他就任以後各項稅務的政策"},{"start":269.12,"end":286.302,"text":"什麼時候落實實施以及它的強度如何以及對應的相關國家其實大家都還在密切的關注那行政部門也都非常審慎的在持續的觀察行政院也有專案的小組會議那我們會在這裡面相關部會都會在裡面做討論"},{"start":287.423,"end":305.22,"text":"部長 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10 案：( 一) 行政院函請審議、本院委員李柏毅等 16 人、委員賴惠員等16\n人、委員郭國文等 18 人、委員吳琪銘等 16 人分別擬具「菸酒稅法部分條文修正草案」等 5 案、\n(二)本院委員徐巧芯等29人擬具「菸酒稅法第十九條條文修正草案」案、(三)本院委員賴士葆等\n27人、委員伍麗華 Saidhai Tahovecahe 等20人、委員張智倫等18人分別擬具「菸酒稅法第十九\n條及第二十一條條文修正草案」等3案、(四)本院委員陳玉珍等19人擬具「菸酒稅法第十九條及\n第二十三條條文修正草案」案；二、審查「使用牌照稅法」8案：(一) 行政院函請審議、本院委\n員賴士葆等24人、委員陳菁徽等17人、委員張智倫等18人、委員陳素月等19人、委員賴惠員等17\n人、委員郭國文等16人分別擬具「使用牌照稅法第二十九條、第三十條及第三十一條條文修正草\n案」等7案、(二) 本院委員陳玉珍等19人擬具「使用牌照稅法第三十條及第三十一條條文修正草\n案」案；三、審查行政院函請審議、本院委員賴士葆等21人、委員林楚茵等18人、委員徐巧芯等\n27人、委員賴惠員等17人、委員郭國文等17人分別擬具「土地稅法第五十四條條文修正草案」等\n6案；四、審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分，關於財政部主管中國\n輸出入銀行、臺灣金融控股股份有限公司（含臺灣銀行股份有限公司、臺銀人壽保險股份有限公\n司、臺銀綜合證券股份有限公司）（僅詢答）","agenda_id":"1141203_00001"}}}