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00:02:25,299\n委員吳琪銘等16人提案如經院會復議．則不予審查委員吳琪銘等16人提案如經院會復議．則不予審查委員吳琪銘等16人提案如經院會復議．則不予審查委員吳琪銘等16人提案如經院會復議．則不予審查\n\n9\n00:02:43,410 --> 00:02:44,911\n委員吳琪銘等16人提案如經院會復議．則不予審查委員吳琪銘等16人提案如經院會復議．則不予審查\n\n10\n00:03:03,147 --> 00:03:17,734\n因為實證數超過預算數並不是每年都是如此的我們跟委員報告其實多年來以前也有我們實證數低於預算數因為國際經濟情勢有變化不是每年都會超過預算數明年也不會超過預算數3500億怎麼處理\n\n11\n00:03:28,999 --> 00:03:31,622\n第一,我們減少舉債,也就是說今年總預算原來要編列的舉債數我們沒有舉債,然後我們還債,因為我們這裡面要有個債務還本,1258億元已經還了\n\n12\n00:03:44,855 --> 00:03:48,916\n對於財務控管各委員都非常重視,所以才認同議事對於輸占增加還財務只有還5%而已啊!你還多少?還多少?你講!還多少?你講!還多少?還200億!200億而已啊!財務只有還200億喔!對不對?\n\n13\n00:04:12,063 --> 00:04:32,687\n我們如果還掉的話其實所剩的就不多了因為第一個我要舉債的部分沒有舉債然後我們又還債債務還本預算數的編列再加上生還還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少\n\n14\n00:04:37,848 --> 00:04:58,878\n反正啦,這個中央超生的3500多億怎麼花就是不給地方政府就對了啦這是莊部長的答案委員你原不能這樣說是這麼說對地方政府的財政支援其實中央一直在大力的支持從2003年到113年已經成長80%沒有不免負荷不是部長你聽,因為你講很多人,聽我講一下\n\n15\n00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:11,671\n有一個前任的政務官我不要講哪一位部會首長機告訴我他說你們立委都太客氣了砍5%一點感覺都沒有啦砍10%有一點感覺勉強也可以啦\n\n16\n00:05:20,816 --> 00:05:25,898\n你不會砍3753億我們替你砍很簡單平均砍12%就解決了還要編什麼預算我們來砍比如說臺電2000億砍掉臺電的追加預算1000億臺電的增資1000億、2000億砍掉牙齦呢他建套我們吶用台配砍馬槍吶\n\n17\n00:05:50,953 --> 00:06:05,148\n按照法定規定只要一百萬美金我們付了兩百萬美金我們砍掉一百萬美金還有管股現在八大行戶的管股保留英里加一加一千億拿出來那就三千億啦台電砍兩千億\n\n18\n00:06:09,310 --> 00:06:12,591\n吳琪銘等16人、委員吳琪銘等16人、委員吳琪銘等16人分別提案如經院會復議．則不予審查\n\n19\n00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:54,511\n然後呢、遠傳電信、中華電信以及臺灣大哥大這裡面27億我幫你砍一下你不會砍我替你砍啊所以要砍掉3750很簡單預算不必充電,立法院替你砍我再講一遍,台電的2000億砍掉\n\n20\n00:06:58,193 --> 00:07:13,900\n臺電2000億砍掉、亞營的100萬美金砍掉、給中華電信、臺灣大哥大、漁人船的補助27億砍掉、我家一家包括八大航空的保留餘1000億,就3千多億了。\n\n21\n00:07:16,246 --> 00:07:30,592\n我砍得遠了啦然後事實上我們就可以以為平均平均每個部位砍10%夾一夾絕對夠錢都夠怎麼不夠了怎麼為你講一個東西你聽我講不要急喔不要急我讓你講宣傳為奧斯一砍掉\n\n22\n00:07:33,049 --> 00:07:46,109\n現在砍了太多了就過去我再強調一遍這一個政務官部會首長就告訴我砍10%有點感覺但是也是可以運作所以我們的目標就是把3兆10%3000億砍掉\n\n23\n00:07:48,413 --> 00:07:58,824\n其中臺電就2000億砍掉了因為郭志輝也說了你砍掉他可以去借錢我經院有事辦法他可以借錢臺電去借2000億他一點問題都沒有就砍掉2000億啊然後他給NVIDIANVIDIA會吸引你的300億嗎AMD\n\n24\n00:08:08,817 --> 00:08:27,705\n部長不要恐嚇人民啦不要恐嚇人民啦3000多億欽債傾不如啦我們政府很有錢啦到處都是錢啦就是你有沒有去諄解有沒有去砍他而已立法院太客氣啦以前就去砍一趴總預算一趴這次要砍十趴起跳就3000億了\n\n25\n00:08:34,049 --> 00:08:41,890\n所以喉舌溜溜啊喉舌溜溜山西凱來給地方政府給地方政府就一定問題都沒有你講\n\n26\n00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:49,785\n當然審查預算是立法院的權責但是如果這樣子刪除以後刪減預算以後對中央施政會不會產生摯愛以及對民眾權益的影響我覺得這都要審慎的研議我想這個部分不是說怎麼個砍然後應該事實上要考慮它後面怎麼施政的推動上有沒有摯愛然後對於\n\n27\n00:09:11,785 --> 00:09:22,094\n國際組織對於國際組織的一個捐款這涉及到我們國家對於對於國際組織的一個信用的一個事情以及我覺得這個我們要實質的參與然後增加實質的參與增加國際的能見度是一直是我們努力的目標我覺得這個股份是\n\n28\n00:09:32,242 --> 00:09:32,662\n你為什麼要加一百萬美金?\n\n29\n00:09:58,151 --> 00:10:20,334\n按規定100萬美金就夠啦!你不要給他200萬美金啦!對不對!像這些啊!砍一砍3000億太簡單了!隨便都有啦!我都替你砍!你不會砍我替你砍!預算不必重編!因為啦!重編新的計畫不能開始做!而且重編開始有3個月!所以你也講沒有重編弄你就好!\n\n30\n00:10:21,615 --> 00:10:39,747\n這個部長啊,你可以私底下告訴我什麼地方可以砍,我替你砍。欸,這樣可以盡,對不對?什麼地方我們就把它砍掉。啊,這就算你了。這涉及各部會的施政,我想各部會最近也都在看,呃,盤整也都提出來,如果預算減少的話,對他們施政上的障礙。對不起啊,我剛剛講過啦,羅志威部長對2000億根本一點都不在乎,他說取債,說我2000億砍,我們已經決定砍2000億了。\n\n31\n00:10:51,415 --> 00:11:18,720\n這是確定的臺電的整資1000億砍掉追加1000億砍掉2000億了豪勢溜溜啊豪勢甘溜溜啊叫pieceofcake要砍你的3000億太簡單了所以啊部長不要在那裡恐嚇人民啊用政治操作而且用我們立法院的時間跑到行政院去罵我們立法院這個\n\n32\n00:11:20,775 --> 00:11:30,184\n這個下次一再發生的話,你看怎麼辦啊?然後另外我問你啊,這個保險證券有沒有可能公共合併有沒有可能?\n\n33\n00:11:31,291 --> 00:11:53,171\n因為都太小了臺銀的很小、土銀都很小有沒有可能合併保險證券在保險的部分我們現在其實你們都很小都小小小小的合併算了嘛對這個部分他們大部分已經在做內部的併了因為像土銀的原來的保金跟保貸什麼時候方案可以出來什麼時候方案可以出來\n\n34\n00:11:57,214 --> 00:12:09,350\n臺灣金控的部分是不是我們請那個臺灣金控董事長來說明一下,好嗎?你董事長來,什麼時候可以有一個雛形出來,方案可以出來,什麼時候?方案什麼時候出來?\n\n35\n00:12:12,097 --> 00:12:34,086\n委員好,因為臺灣金鴻旗下是有三家子公司一家是銀行,一家是保險,一家是證券如果說保險跟證券跟其他合併的話,其實我想因為我們是百分之百國營的嘛別家大概不願意併進來,大概只有我們會併到一些民營的但是我們併到其他民營之後,我們臺灣金鴻\n\n36\n00:12:37,007 --> 00:12:37,507\n主席林董事長\n\n37\n00:12:58,295 --> 00:13:16,671\n剛才有人提到你們的績效是不錯的台南京空你看喔整個央網公布的喔你們的年增率28.1排行排名非常前面可是你們相對的福利待遇就差很多啦聽說這一部分中央部長\n\n38\n00:13:17,432 --> 00:13:34,270\n一直有意見,總部長不同意提到你們的待遇,是不是?總部長其實非常支持,只是說因為有涉及到一些法官所以我的信息是錯誤的我說你們拼命在衝,結果總部長一直打槍總部長配合人事總處那裡說不可以總部長講一句話好不好,你講一下\n\n39\n00:13:37,183 --> 00:13:53,776\n委員對於我們的國營金融事業的提高他們的一個相關待遇跟福利其實財政部基本上都是支持的尤其在薪資的部分在107年以及和公務員的調薪脫鉤由他們依照績效來調薪所以從107年到今天我只問一個用時間打人我主席站起來然後我就問一個\n\n40\n00:13:56,345 --> 00:14:13,311\n可不可以讓台銀這些百分之百關股的台土書他們的待遇福利比照犯關股可不可以?就是問這句話因為有國營事業相關的法律我覺得這個跟人事總署有關我們必須要進行溝通跟說明當然我們會去表達啦我也去人事總署問人事長說部長的問題部長同意就可以了\n\n41\n00:14:25,175 --> 00:14:28,417\n是嗎?他不是這樣跟我說。他沒有這樣跟我說。是的。好,謝謝委員關心,謝謝。謝謝司法委員,接著請郭國文委員、花園\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n89\t1254\t財政部的財政部長\n7366\t32716\t這個報告主席這個時間稍微暫停一下我一個權宜問題李柏毅這個主席你這個英明的一個排案排完部長來結果部長不來跑去行政院開會罵立法院這是哪門子的邏輯啊在立法院那裡跑去行政院這樣大罵我們立法院這邏輯不通啊這違反倫理啊\n34536\t54208\t這裡面來講的話對不起你要對人民負責啊你怎麼跑去行政院裡面開記者會來罵我們呢怎麼會這是哪門子的哪門子的而且是這個主席讓你去做這個事情然後留個軟次長軟次長一日上不知孜孜如如的什麼都不知道他不是部長\n55869\t78721\t部長以後要罵立法院可以你不要在我們開會的時間嘛拜託主席要讓他去罵立法院的話立法派時間你要派一個衝突的時間啦我就正式表達嚴重抗議啦這個讓你這樣跑去行政院跟主席長兩個人一起罵立法院我們同共的財報啊我表達嚴重抗議\n81385\t101951\t謝謝司法委員我接受你的抗議那可是我是覺得這個財政部長我准假是因為他到這個行政院的記者會裡頭去做說明這個財化法就是在那個第二天的幾個大報紙這麼大版面那個嗆口對準立法院這是哪門子啊你又對我們負責欸怎麼來當場這個樣子部長不予\n107513\t112856\t這下不為理喔!委員你可以看喔我們上個會期都已經決定了你要提草案法的版本也沒有提到現在為止然後在那裡講這個講那個講一堆\n122227\t123988\t總預算要重編嗎?請問你確定一下。\n139955\t145299\t委員吳琪銘等16人提案如經院會復議．則不予審查委員吳琪銘等16人提案如經院會復議．則不予審查委員吳琪銘等16人提案如經院會復議．則不予審查委員吳琪銘等16人提案如經院會復議．則不予審查\n163410\t164911\t委員吳琪銘等16人提案如經院會復議．則不予審查委員吳琪銘等16人提案如經院會復議．則不予審查\n183147\t197734\t因為實證數超過預算數並不是每年都是如此的我們跟委員報告其實多年來以前也有我們實證數低於預算數因為國際經濟情勢有變化不是每年都會超過預算數明年也不會超過預算數3500億怎麼處理\n208999\t211622\t第一,我們減少舉債,也就是說今年總預算原來要編列的舉債數我們沒有舉債,然後我們還債,因為我們這裡面要有個債務還本,1258億元已經還了\n224855\t228916\t對於財務控管各委員都非常重視,所以才認同議事對於輸占增加還財務只有還5%而已啊!你還多少?還多少?你講!還多少?你講!還多少?還200億!200億而已啊!財務只有還200億喔!對不對?\n252063\t272687\t我們如果還掉的話其實所剩的就不多了因為第一個我要舉債的部分沒有舉債然後我們又還債債務還本預算數的編列再加上生還還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少\n277848\t298878\t反正啦,這個中央超生的3500多億怎麼花就是不給地方政府就對了啦這是莊部長的答案委員你原不能這樣說是這麼說對地方政府的財政支援其實中央一直在大力的支持從2003年到113年已經成長80%沒有不免負荷不是部長你聽,因為你講很多人,聽我講一下\n303400\t311671\t有一個前任的政務官我不要講哪一位部會首長機告訴我他說你們立委都太客氣了砍5%一點感覺都沒有啦砍10%有一點感覺勉強也可以啦\n320816\t325898\t你不會砍3753億我們替你砍很簡單平均砍12%就解決了還要編什麼預算我們來砍比如說臺電2000億砍掉臺電的追加預算1000億臺電的增資1000億、2000億砍掉牙齦呢他建套我們吶用台配砍馬槍吶\n350953\t365148\t按照法定規定只要一百萬美金我們付了兩百萬美金我們砍掉一百萬美金還有管股現在八大行戶的管股保留英里加一加一千億拿出來那就三千億啦台電砍兩千億\n369310\t372591\t吳琪銘等16人、委員吳琪銘等16人、委員吳琪銘等16人分別提案如經院會復議．則不予審查\n394240\t414511\t然後呢、遠傳電信、中華電信以及臺灣大哥大這裡面27億我幫你砍一下你不會砍我替你砍啊所以要砍掉3750很簡單預算不必充電,立法院替你砍我再講一遍,台電的2000億砍掉\n418193\t433900\t臺電2000億砍掉、亞營的100萬美金砍掉、給中華電信、臺灣大哥大、漁人船的補助27億砍掉、我家一家包括八大航空的保留餘1000億,就3千多億了。\n436246\t450592\t我砍得遠了啦然後事實上我們就可以以為平均平均每個部位砍10%夾一夾絕對夠錢都夠怎麼不夠了怎麼為你講一個東西你聽我講不要急喔不要急我讓你講宣傳為奧斯一砍掉\n453049\t466109\t現在砍了太多了就過去我再強調一遍這一個政務官部會首長就告訴我砍10%有點感覺但是也是可以運作所以我們的目標就是把3兆10%3000億砍掉\n468413\t478824\t其中臺電就2000億砍掉了因為郭志輝也說了你砍掉他可以去借錢我經院有事辦法他可以借錢臺電去借2000億他一點問題都沒有就砍掉2000億啊然後他給NVIDIANVIDIA會吸引你的300億嗎AMD\n488817\t507705\t部長不要恐嚇人民啦不要恐嚇人民啦3000多億欽債傾不如啦我們政府很有錢啦到處都是錢啦就是你有沒有去諄解有沒有去砍他而已立法院太客氣啦以前就去砍一趴總預算一趴這次要砍十趴起跳就3000億了\n514049\t521890\t所以喉舌溜溜啊喉舌溜溜山西凱來給地方政府給地方政府就一定問題都沒有你講\n523360\t529785\t當然審查預算是立法院的權責但是如果這樣子刪除以後刪減預算以後對中央施政會不會產生摯愛以及對民眾權益的影響我覺得這都要審慎的研議我想這個部分不是說怎麼個砍然後應該事實上要考慮它後面怎麼施政的推動上有沒有摯愛然後對於\n551785\t562094\t國際組織對於國際組織的一個捐款這涉及到我們國家對於對於國際組織的一個信用的一個事情以及我覺得這個我們要實質的參與然後增加實質的參與增加國際的能見度是一直是我們努力的目標我覺得這個股份是\n572242\t572662\t你為什麼要加一百萬美金?\n598151\t620334\t按規定100萬美金就夠啦!你不要給他200萬美金啦!對不對!像這些啊!砍一砍3000億太簡單了!隨便都有啦!我都替你砍!你不會砍我替你砍!預算不必重編!因為啦!重編新的計畫不能開始做!而且重編開始有3個月!所以你也講沒有重編弄你就好!\n621615\t639747\t這個部長啊,你可以私底下告訴我什麼地方可以砍,我替你砍。欸,這樣可以盡,對不對?什麼地方我們就把它砍掉。啊,這就算你了。這涉及各部會的施政,我想各部會最近也都在看,呃,盤整也都提出來,如果預算減少的話,對他們施政上的障礙。對不起啊,我剛剛講過啦,羅志威部長對2000億根本一點都不在乎,他說取債,說我2000億砍,我們已經決定砍2000億了。\n651415\t678720\t這是確定的臺電的整資1000億砍掉追加1000億砍掉2000億了豪勢溜溜啊豪勢甘溜溜啊叫piece of cake要砍你的3000億太簡單了所以啊部長不要在那裡恐嚇人民啊用政治操作而且用我們立法院的時間跑到行政院去罵我們立法院這個\n680775\t690184\t這個下次一再發生的話,你看怎麼辦啊?然後另外我問你啊,這個保險證券有沒有可能公共合併有沒有可能?\n691291\t713171\t因為都太小了臺銀的很小、土銀都很小有沒有可能合併保險證券在保險的部分我們現在其實你們都很小都小小小小的合併算了嘛對這個部分他們大部分已經在做內部的併了因為像土銀的原來的保金跟保貸什麼時候方案可以出來什麼時候方案可以出來\n717214\t729350\t臺灣金控的部分是不是我們請那個臺灣金控董事長來說明一下,好嗎?你董事長來,什麼時候可以有一個雛形出來,方案可以出來,什麼時候?方案什麼時候出來?\n732097\t754086\t委員好,因為臺灣金鴻旗下是有三家子公司一家是銀行,一家是保險,一家是證券如果說保險跟證券跟其他合併的話,其實我想因為我們是百分之百國營的嘛別家大概不願意併進來,大概只有我們會併到一些民營的但是我們併到其他民營之後,我們臺灣金鴻\n757007\t757507\t主席林董事長\n778295\t796671\t剛才有人提到你們的績效是不錯的台南京空你看喔整個央網公布的喔你們的年增率28.1排行排名非常前面可是你們相對的福利待遇就差很多啦聽說這一部分中央部長\n797432\t814270\t一直有意見,總部長不同意提到你們的待遇,是不是?總部長其實非常支持,只是說因為有涉及到一些法官所以我的信息是錯誤的我說你們拼命在衝,結果總部長一直打槍總部長配合人事總處那裡說不可以總部長講一句話好不好,你講一下\n817183\t833776\t委員對於我們的國營金融事業的提高他們的一個相關待遇跟福利其實財政部基本上都是支持的尤其在薪資的部分在107年以及和公務員的調薪脫鉤由他們依照績效來調薪所以從107年到今天我只問一個用時間打人我主席站起來然後我就問一個\n836345\t853311\t可不可以讓台銀這些百分之百關股的台土書他們的待遇福利比照犯關股可不可以?就是問這句話因為有國營事業相關的法律我覺得這個跟人事總署有關我們必須要進行溝通跟說明當然我們會去表達啦我也去人事總署問人事長說部長的問題部長同意就可以了\n865175\t868417\t是嗎?他不是這樣跟我說。他沒有這樣跟我說。是的。好,謝謝委員關心,謝謝。謝謝司法委員,接著請郭國文委員、花園\n","txt":"財政部的財政部長\n這個報告主席這個時間稍微暫停一下我一個權宜問題李柏毅這個主席你這個英明的一個排案排完部長來結果部長不來跑去行政院開會罵立法院這是哪門子的邏輯啊在立法院那裡跑去行政院這樣大罵我們立法院這邏輯不通啊這違反倫理啊\n這裡面來講的話對不起你要對人民負責啊你怎麼跑去行政院裡面開記者會來罵我們呢怎麼會這是哪門子的哪門子的而且是這個主席讓你去做這個事情然後留個軟次長軟次長一日上不知孜孜如如的什麼都不知道他不是部長\n部長以後要罵立法院可以你不要在我們開會的時間嘛拜託主席要讓他去罵立法院的話立法派時間你要派一個衝突的時間啦我就正式表達嚴重抗議啦這個讓你這樣跑去行政院跟主席長兩個人一起罵立法院我們同共的財報啊我表達嚴重抗議\n謝謝司法委員我接受你的抗議那可是我是覺得這個財政部長我准假是因為他到這個行政院的記者會裡頭去做說明這個財化法就是在那個第二天的幾個大報紙這麼大版面那個嗆口對準立法院這是哪門子啊你又對我們負責欸怎麼來當場這個樣子部長不予\n這下不為理喔!委員你可以看喔我們上個會期都已經決定了你要提草案法的版本也沒有提到現在為止然後在那裡講這個講那個講一堆\n總預算要重編嗎?請問你確定一下。\n委員吳琪銘等16人提案如經院會復議．則不予審查委員吳琪銘等16人提案如經院會復議．則不予審查委員吳琪銘等16人提案如經院會復議．則不予審查委員吳琪銘等16人提案如經院會復議．則不予審查\n委員吳琪銘等16人提案如經院會復議．則不予審查委員吳琪銘等16人提案如經院會復議．則不予審查\n因為實證數超過預算數並不是每年都是如此的我們跟委員報告其實多年來以前也有我們實證數低於預算數因為國際經濟情勢有變化不是每年都會超過預算數明年也不會超過預算數3500億怎麼處理\n第一,我們減少舉債,也就是說今年總預算原來要編列的舉債數我們沒有舉債,然後我們還債,因為我們這裡面要有個債務還本,1258億元已經還了\n對於財務控管各委員都非常重視,所以才認同議事對於輸占增加還財務只有還5%而已啊!你還多少?還多少?你講!還多少?你講!還多少?還200億!200億而已啊!財務只有還200億喔!對不對?\n我們如果還掉的話其實所剩的就不多了因為第一個我要舉債的部分沒有舉債然後我們又還債債務還本預算數的編列再加上生還還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少\n反正啦,這個中央超生的3500多億怎麼花就是不給地方政府就對了啦這是莊部長的答案委員你原不能這樣說是這麼說對地方政府的財政支援其實中央一直在大力的支持從2003年到113年已經成長80%沒有不免負荷不是部長你聽,因為你講很多人,聽我講一下\n有一個前任的政務官我不要講哪一位部會首長機告訴我他說你們立委都太客氣了砍5%一點感覺都沒有啦砍10%有一點感覺勉強也可以啦\n你不會砍3753億我們替你砍很簡單平均砍12%就解決了還要編什麼預算我們來砍比如說臺電2000億砍掉臺電的追加預算1000億臺電的增資1000億、2000億砍掉牙齦呢他建套我們吶用台配砍馬槍吶\n按照法定規定只要一百萬美金我們付了兩百萬美金我們砍掉一百萬美金還有管股現在八大行戶的管股保留英里加一加一千億拿出來那就三千億啦台電砍兩千億\n吳琪銘等16人、委員吳琪銘等16人、委員吳琪銘等16人分別提案如經院會復議．則不予審查\n然後呢、遠傳電信、中華電信以及臺灣大哥大這裡面27億我幫你砍一下你不會砍我替你砍啊所以要砍掉3750很簡單預算不必充電,立法院替你砍我再講一遍,台電的2000億砍掉\n臺電2000億砍掉、亞營的100萬美金砍掉、給中華電信、臺灣大哥大、漁人船的補助27億砍掉、我家一家包括八大航空的保留餘1000億,就3千多億了。\n我砍得遠了啦然後事實上我們就可以以為平均平均每個部位砍10%夾一夾絕對夠錢都夠怎麼不夠了怎麼為你講一個東西你聽我講不要急喔不要急我讓你講宣傳為奧斯一砍掉\n現在砍了太多了就過去我再強調一遍這一個政務官部會首長就告訴我砍10%有點感覺但是也是可以運作所以我們的目標就是把3兆10%3000億砍掉\n其中臺電就2000億砍掉了因為郭志輝也說了你砍掉他可以去借錢我經院有事辦法他可以借錢臺電去借2000億他一點問題都沒有就砍掉2000億啊然後他給NVIDIANVIDIA會吸引你的300億嗎AMD\n部長不要恐嚇人民啦不要恐嚇人民啦3000多億欽債傾不如啦我們政府很有錢啦到處都是錢啦就是你有沒有去諄解有沒有去砍他而已立法院太客氣啦以前就去砍一趴總預算一趴這次要砍十趴起跳就3000億了\n所以喉舌溜溜啊喉舌溜溜山西凱來給地方政府給地方政府就一定問題都沒有你講\n當然審查預算是立法院的權責但是如果這樣子刪除以後刪減預算以後對中央施政會不會產生摯愛以及對民眾權益的影響我覺得這都要審慎的研議我想這個部分不是說怎麼個砍然後應該事實上要考慮它後面怎麼施政的推動上有沒有摯愛然後對於\n國際組織對於國際組織的一個捐款這涉及到我們國家對於對於國際組織的一個信用的一個事情以及我覺得這個我們要實質的參與然後增加實質的參與增加國際的能見度是一直是我們努力的目標我覺得這個股份是\n你為什麼要加一百萬美金?\n按規定100萬美金就夠啦!你不要給他200萬美金啦!對不對!像這些啊!砍一砍3000億太簡單了!隨便都有啦!我都替你砍!你不會砍我替你砍!預算不必重編!因為啦!重編新的計畫不能開始做!而且重編開始有3個月!所以你也講沒有重編弄你就好!\n這個部長啊,你可以私底下告訴我什麼地方可以砍,我替你砍。欸,這樣可以盡,對不對?什麼地方我們就把它砍掉。啊,這就算你了。這涉及各部會的施政,我想各部會最近也都在看,呃,盤整也都提出來,如果預算減少的話,對他們施政上的障礙。對不起啊,我剛剛講過啦,羅志威部長對2000億根本一點都不在乎,他說取債,說我2000億砍,我們已經決定砍2000億了。\n這是確定的臺電的整資1000億砍掉追加1000億砍掉2000億了豪勢溜溜啊豪勢甘溜溜啊叫piece of cake要砍你的3000億太簡單了所以啊部長不要在那裡恐嚇人民啊用政治操作而且用我們立法院的時間跑到行政院去罵我們立法院這個\n這個下次一再發生的話,你看怎麼辦啊?然後另外我問你啊,這個保險證券有沒有可能公共合併有沒有可能?\n因為都太小了臺銀的很小、土銀都很小有沒有可能合併保險證券在保險的部分我們現在其實你們都很小都小小小小的合併算了嘛對這個部分他們大部分已經在做內部的併了因為像土銀的原來的保金跟保貸什麼時候方案可以出來什麼時候方案可以出來\n臺灣金控的部分是不是我們請那個臺灣金控董事長來說明一下,好嗎?你董事長來,什麼時候可以有一個雛形出來,方案可以出來,什麼時候?方案什麼時候出來?\n委員好,因為臺灣金鴻旗下是有三家子公司一家是銀行,一家是保險,一家是證券如果說保險跟證券跟其他合併的話,其實我想因為我們是百分之百國營的嘛別家大概不願意併進來,大概只有我們會併到一些民營的但是我們併到其他民營之後,我們臺灣金鴻\n主席林董事長\n剛才有人提到你們的績效是不錯的台南京空你看喔整個央網公布的喔你們的年增率28.1排行排名非常前面可是你們相對的福利待遇就差很多啦聽說這一部分中央部長\n一直有意見,總部長不同意提到你們的待遇,是不是?總部長其實非常支持,只是說因為有涉及到一些法官所以我的信息是錯誤的我說你們拼命在衝,結果總部長一直打槍總部長配合人事總處那裡說不可以總部長講一句話好不好,你講一下\n委員對於我們的國營金融事業的提高他們的一個相關待遇跟福利其實財政部基本上都是支持的尤其在薪資的部分在107年以及和公務員的調薪脫鉤由他們依照績效來調薪所以從107年到今天我只問一個用時間打人我主席站起來然後我就問一個\n可不可以讓台銀這些百分之百關股的台土書他們的待遇福利比照犯關股可不可以?就是問這句話因為有國營事業相關的法律我覺得這個跟人事總署有關我們必須要進行溝通跟說明當然我們會去表達啦我也去人事總署問人事長說部長的問題部長同意就可以了\n是嗎?他不是這樣跟我說。他沒有這樣跟我說。是的。好,謝謝委員關心,謝謝。謝謝司法委員,接著請郭國文委員、花園\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.089 --> 00:01.254\n財政部的財政部長\n\n00:07.366 --> 00:32.716\n這個報告主席這個時間稍微暫停一下我一個權宜問題李柏毅這個主席你這個英明的一個排案排完部長來結果部長不來跑去行政院開會罵立法院這是哪門子的邏輯啊在立法院那裡跑去行政院這樣大罵我們立法院這邏輯不通啊這違反倫理啊\n\n00:34.536 --> 00:54.208\n這裡面來講的話對不起你要對人民負責啊你怎麼跑去行政院裡面開記者會來罵我們呢怎麼會這是哪門子的哪門子的而且是這個主席讓你去做這個事情然後留個軟次長軟次長一日上不知孜孜如如的什麼都不知道他不是部長\n\n00:55.869 --> 01:18.721\n部長以後要罵立法院可以你不要在我們開會的時間嘛拜託主席要讓他去罵立法院的話立法派時間你要派一個衝突的時間啦我就正式表達嚴重抗議啦這個讓你這樣跑去行政院跟主席長兩個人一起罵立法院我們同共的財報啊我表達嚴重抗議\n\n01:21.385 --> 01:41.951\n謝謝司法委員我接受你的抗議那可是我是覺得這個財政部長我准假是因為他到這個行政院的記者會裡頭去做說明這個財化法就是在那個第二天的幾個大報紙這麼大版面那個嗆口對準立法院這是哪門子啊你又對我們負責欸怎麼來當場這個樣子部長不予\n\n01:47.513 --> 01:52.856\n這下不為理喔!委員你可以看喔我們上個會期都已經決定了你要提草案法的版本也沒有提到現在為止然後在那裡講這個講那個講一堆\n\n02:02.227 --> 02:03.988\n總預算要重編嗎?請問你確定一下。\n\n02:19.955 --> 02:25.299\n委員吳琪銘等16人提案如經院會復議．則不予審查委員吳琪銘等16人提案如經院會復議．則不予審查委員吳琪銘等16人提案如經院會復議．則不予審查委員吳琪銘等16人提案如經院會復議．則不予審查\n\n02:43.410 --> 02:44.911\n委員吳琪銘等16人提案如經院會復議．則不予審查委員吳琪銘等16人提案如經院會復議．則不予審查\n\n03:03.147 --> 03:17.734\n因為實證數超過預算數並不是每年都是如此的我們跟委員報告其實多年來以前也有我們實證數低於預算數因為國際經濟情勢有變化不是每年都會超過預算數明年也不會超過預算數3500億怎麼處理\n\n03:28.999 --> 03:31.622\n第一,我們減少舉債,也就是說今年總預算原來要編列的舉債數我們沒有舉債,然後我們還債,因為我們這裡面要有個債務還本,1258億元已經還了\n\n03:44.855 --> 03:48.916\n對於財務控管各委員都非常重視,所以才認同議事對於輸占增加還財務只有還5%而已啊!你還多少?還多少?你講!還多少?你講!還多少?還200億!200億而已啊!財務只有還200億喔!對不對?\n\n04:12.063 --> 04:32.687\n我們如果還掉的話其實所剩的就不多了因為第一個我要舉債的部分沒有舉債然後我們又還債債務還本預算數的編列再加上生還還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少還剩多少\n\n04:37.848 --> 04:58.878\n反正啦,這個中央超生的3500多億怎麼花就是不給地方政府就對了啦這是莊部長的答案委員你原不能這樣說是這麼說對地方政府的財政支援其實中央一直在大力的支持從2003年到113年已經成長80%沒有不免負荷不是部長你聽,因為你講很多人,聽我講一下\n\n05:03.400 --> 05:11.671\n有一個前任的政務官我不要講哪一位部會首長機告訴我他說你們立委都太客氣了砍5%一點感覺都沒有啦砍10%有一點感覺勉強也可以啦\n\n05:20.816 --> 05:25.898\n你不會砍3753億我們替你砍很簡單平均砍12%就解決了還要編什麼預算我們來砍比如說臺電2000億砍掉臺電的追加預算1000億臺電的增資1000億、2000億砍掉牙齦呢他建套我們吶用台配砍馬槍吶\n\n05:50.953 --> 06:05.148\n按照法定規定只要一百萬美金我們付了兩百萬美金我們砍掉一百萬美金還有管股現在八大行戶的管股保留英里加一加一千億拿出來那就三千億啦台電砍兩千億\n\n06:09.310 --> 06:12.591\n吳琪銘等16人、委員吳琪銘等16人、委員吳琪銘等16人分別提案如經院會復議．則不予審查\n\n06:34.240 --> 06:54.511\n然後呢、遠傳電信、中華電信以及臺灣大哥大這裡面27億我幫你砍一下你不會砍我替你砍啊所以要砍掉3750很簡單預算不必充電,立法院替你砍我再講一遍,台電的2000億砍掉\n\n06:58.193 --> 07:13.900\n臺電2000億砍掉、亞營的100萬美金砍掉、給中華電信、臺灣大哥大、漁人船的補助27億砍掉、我家一家包括八大航空的保留餘1000億,就3千多億了。\n\n07:16.246 --> 07:30.592\n我砍得遠了啦然後事實上我們就可以以為平均平均每個部位砍10%夾一夾絕對夠錢都夠怎麼不夠了怎麼為你講一個東西你聽我講不要急喔不要急我讓你講宣傳為奧斯一砍掉\n\n07:33.049 --> 07:46.109\n現在砍了太多了就過去我再強調一遍這一個政務官部會首長就告訴我砍10%有點感覺但是也是可以運作所以我們的目標就是把3兆10%3000億砍掉\n\n07:48.413 --> 07:58.824\n其中臺電就2000億砍掉了因為郭志輝也說了你砍掉他可以去借錢我經院有事辦法他可以借錢臺電去借2000億他一點問題都沒有就砍掉2000億啊然後他給NVIDIANVIDIA會吸引你的300億嗎AMD\n\n08:08.817 --> 08:27.705\n部長不要恐嚇人民啦不要恐嚇人民啦3000多億欽債傾不如啦我們政府很有錢啦到處都是錢啦就是你有沒有去諄解有沒有去砍他而已立法院太客氣啦以前就去砍一趴總預算一趴這次要砍十趴起跳就3000億了\n\n08:34.049 --> 08:41.890\n所以喉舌溜溜啊喉舌溜溜山西凱來給地方政府給地方政府就一定問題都沒有你講\n\n08:43.360 --> 08:49.785\n當然審查預算是立法院的權責但是如果這樣子刪除以後刪減預算以後對中央施政會不會產生摯愛以及對民眾權益的影響我覺得這都要審慎的研議我想這個部分不是說怎麼個砍然後應該事實上要考慮它後面怎麼施政的推動上有沒有摯愛然後對於\n\n09:11.785 --> 09:22.094\n國際組織對於國際組織的一個捐款這涉及到我們國家對於對於國際組織的一個信用的一個事情以及我覺得這個我們要實質的參與然後增加實質的參與增加國際的能見度是一直是我們努力的目標我覺得這個股份是\n\n09:32.242 --> 09:32.662\n你為什麼要加一百萬美金?\n\n09:58.151 --> 10:20.334\n按規定100萬美金就夠啦!你不要給他200萬美金啦!對不對!像這些啊!砍一砍3000億太簡單了!隨便都有啦!我都替你砍!你不會砍我替你砍!預算不必重編!因為啦!重編新的計畫不能開始做!而且重編開始有3個月!所以你也講沒有重編弄你就好!\n\n10:21.615 --> 10:39.747\n這個部長啊,你可以私底下告訴我什麼地方可以砍,我替你砍。欸,這樣可以盡,對不對?什麼地方我們就把它砍掉。啊,這就算你了。這涉及各部會的施政,我想各部會最近也都在看,呃,盤整也都提出來,如果預算減少的話,對他們施政上的障礙。對不起啊,我剛剛講過啦,羅志威部長對2000億根本一點都不在乎,他說取債,說我2000億砍,我們已經決定砍2000億了。\n\n10:51.415 --> 11:18.720\n這是確定的臺電的整資1000億砍掉追加1000億砍掉2000億了豪勢溜溜啊豪勢甘溜溜啊叫pieceofcake要砍你的3000億太簡單了所以啊部長不要在那裡恐嚇人民啊用政治操作而且用我們立法院的時間跑到行政院去罵我們立法院這個\n\n11:20.775 --> 11:30.184\n這個下次一再發生的話,你看怎麼辦啊?然後另外我問你啊,這個保險證券有沒有可能公共合併有沒有可能?\n\n11:31.291 --> 11:53.171\n因為都太小了臺銀的很小、土銀都很小有沒有可能合併保險證券在保險的部分我們現在其實你們都很小都小小小小的合併算了嘛對這個部分他們大部分已經在做內部的併了因為像土銀的原來的保金跟保貸什麼時候方案可以出來什麼時候方案可以出來\n\n11:57.214 --> 12:09.350\n臺灣金控的部分是不是我們請那個臺灣金控董事長來說明一下,好嗎?你董事長來,什麼時候可以有一個雛形出來,方案可以出來,什麼時候?方案什麼時候出來?\n\n12:12.097 --> 12:34.086\n委員好,因為臺灣金鴻旗下是有三家子公司一家是銀行,一家是保險,一家是證券如果說保險跟證券跟其他合併的話,其實我想因為我們是百分之百國營的嘛別家大概不願意併進來,大概只有我們會併到一些民營的但是我們併到其他民營之後,我們臺灣金鴻\n\n12:37.007 --> 12:37.507\n主席林董事長\n\n12:58.295 --> 13:16.671\n剛才有人提到你們的績效是不錯的台南京空你看喔整個央網公布的喔你們的年增率28.1排行排名非常前面可是你們相對的福利待遇就差很多啦聽說這一部分中央部長\n\n13:17.432 --> 13:34.270\n一直有意見,總部長不同意提到你們的待遇,是不是?總部長其實非常支持,只是說因為有涉及到一些法官所以我的信息是錯誤的我說你們拼命在衝,結果總部長一直打槍總部長配合人事總處那裡說不可以總部長講一句話好不好,你講一下\n\n13:37.183 --> 13:53.776\n委員對於我們的國營金融事業的提高他們的一個相關待遇跟福利其實財政部基本上都是支持的尤其在薪資的部分在107年以及和公務員的調薪脫鉤由他們依照績效來調薪所以從107年到今天我只問一個用時間打人我主席站起來然後我就問一個\n\n13:56.345 --> 14:13.311\n可不可以讓台銀這些百分之百關股的台土書他們的待遇福利比照犯關股可不可以?就是問這句話因為有國營事業相關的法律我覺得這個跟人事總署有關我們必須要進行溝通跟說明當然我們會去表達啦我也去人事總署問人事長說部長的問題部長同意就可以了\n\n14:25.175 --> 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cake要砍你的3000億太簡單了所以啊部長不要在那裡恐嚇人民啊用政治操作而且用我們立法院的時間跑到行政院去罵我們立法院這個"},{"start":680.775,"end":690.184,"text":"這個下次一再發生的話,你看怎麼辦啊?然後另外我問你啊,這個保險證券有沒有可能公共合併有沒有可能?"},{"start":691.291,"end":713.171,"text":"因為都太小了臺銀的很小、土銀都很小有沒有可能合併保險證券在保險的部分我們現在其實你們都很小都小小小小的合併算了嘛對這個部分他們大部分已經在做內部的併了因為像土銀的原來的保金跟保貸什麼時候方案可以出來什麼時候方案可以出來"},{"start":717.214,"end":729.35,"text":"臺灣金控的部分是不是我們請那個臺灣金控董事長來說明一下,好嗎?你董事長來,什麼時候可以有一個雛形出來,方案可以出來,什麼時候?方案什麼時候出來?"},{"start":732.097,"end":754.086,"text":"委員好,因為臺灣金鴻旗下是有三家子公司一家是銀行,一家是保險,一家是證券如果說保險跟證券跟其他合併的話,其實我想因為我們是百分之百國營的嘛別家大概不願意併進來,大概只有我們會併到一些民營的但是我們併到其他民營之後,我們臺灣金鴻"},{"start":757.007,"end":757.507,"text":"主席林董事長"},{"start":778.295,"end":796.671,"text":"剛才有人提到你們的績效是不錯的台南京空你看喔整個央網公布的喔你們的年增率28.1排行排名非常前面可是你們相對的福利待遇就差很多啦聽說這一部分中央部長"},{"start":797.432,"end":814.27,"text":"一直有意見,總部長不同意提到你們的待遇,是不是?總部長其實非常支持,只是說因為有涉及到一些法官所以我的信息是錯誤的我說你們拼命在衝,結果總部長一直打槍總部長配合人事總處那裡說不可以總部長講一句話好不好,你講一下"},{"start":817.183,"end":833.776,"text":"委員對於我們的國營金融事業的提高他們的一個相關待遇跟福利其實財政部基本上都是支持的尤其在薪資的部分在107年以及和公務員的調薪脫鉤由他們依照績效來調薪所以從107年到今天我只問一個用時間打人我主席站起來然後我就問一個"},{"start":836.345,"end":853.311,"text":"可不可以讓台銀這些百分之百關股的台土書他們的待遇福利比照犯關股可不可以?就是問這句話因為有國營事業相關的法律我覺得這個跟人事總署有關我們必須要進行溝通跟說明當然我們會去表達啦我也去人事總署問人事長說部長的問題部長同意就可以了"},{"start":865.175,"end":868.417,"text":"是嗎?他不是這樣跟我說。他沒有這樣跟我說。是的。好,謝謝委員關心,謝謝。謝謝司法委員,接著請郭國文委員、花園"}]}}},"gazette":{"lineno":231,"blocks":[["賴委員士葆：（9時45分）主席、各位先進，有請財政部的莊部長。"],["主席：請財政部部長。"],["賴委員士葆：報告主席，這個時間……"],["莊部長翠雲：委員早。"],["賴委員士葆：早，時間稍微暫停一下，我有一個權宜問題。"],["主席：好，時間暫停，權宜問題。"],["賴委員士葆：禮拜一，主席你英明的排案、排部長來，結果部長不來，跑去行政院開會罵立法院，這是哪門子的邏輯啊！跑去行政院這樣大罵我們立法院，這邏輯不通啊！這違反倫理啊！這裡面來講的話，對不起，你要對人民負責啊！你怎麼跑去行政院裡面開記者會來罵我們呢？怎麼會？這是哪門子的，而且是我們主席讓你去做這個事情，然後留個阮次長，阮次長一問三不知，支支吾吾的什麼都不知道，他不是部長。","部長，以後要罵立法院可以，你不要在我們開會的時間嘛！拜託主席，要讓他去罵立法院的話，另外排時間，你還排一個衝突的時間，我就正式表達嚴重抗議啦！讓你這樣跑去行政院，跟主計長兩個人一起罵立法院我們通過的財劃法，我表達嚴重抗議。"],["主席：謝謝士葆委員，我接受你的抗議，可是我是覺得我准財政部長假是因為他到行政院的記者會裡頭去說明財劃法，就是在……"],["賴委員士葆：第二天的幾個大報紙，這麼大版面，槍口對準立法院，這是哪門子啊！你要對我們負責耶！怎麼可以這個樣子？部長，不宜喔！這個下不為例喔！"],["莊部長翠雲：跟委員報告……"],["賴委員士葆：而且你可以看，我們上個會期都已經決定了你要提財劃法的版本，也沒有提，到現在為止，然後在那裡講這個講那個講一堆。好啦！時間開始。"],["主席：好，時間開始。"],["賴委員士葆：我們來看，總預算要重編嗎？請問你，確定一下，要不要重編？"],["莊部長翠雲：委員，我們從來沒有說總預算重編這樣子的話。"],["賴委員士葆：從來沒有說？"],["莊部長翠雲：我們沒有說。"],["賴委員士葆：媒體的小姐先生你們亂寫的啦！沒有重編啦！沒有重編那就很簡單，我們超收5,000億，撥3,753億就解決了吧！這個可不可以這樣解決？可不可以？"],["莊部長翠雲：委員……"],["賴委員士葆：可以不可以？請問你。"],["莊部長翠雲：沒有所謂超收，我們事實上是113年的稅課收入比預算數高，其實5,000億裡面還有是屬於地方的部分，並不全屬中央，同時……"],["賴委員士葆：好，扣掉地方有多少？扣掉地方多少？"],["莊部長翠雲：另外……你說什麼？"],["賴委員士葆：扣掉地方有多少？"],["莊部長翠雲：扣掉地方，目前如果推估的話，大概是3,500億左右。"],["賴委員士葆：對嘛！扣掉地方已經差不多夠了啊！"],["莊部長翠雲：跟委員報告，這是……"],["賴委員士葆：3,500億就夠了啊！"],["莊部長翠雲：這是今年，但是實徵數超過預算數，並不是每年都是如此的，那我們跟委員報告，其實多年來以前也有實徵數低於預算數，因為國際經濟情勢有變化，不是每年都會超過預算數，那明年……"],["賴委員士葆：現在我就問你3,500億你怎麼處理？"],["莊部長翠雲：明年也不會超過3,500億。"],["賴委員士葆：3,500億你怎麼處理？回答問題，怎麼處理？"],["莊部長翠雲：3,500億，第一個，我們減少舉債，也就是說今年總預算原來要編列的舉債數，我們沒有舉債，然後我們還債，因為我們這裡面要有個債務還本1,158億，我們已經還了……"],["賴委員士葆：所以不願意給地方政府就對了啦！"],["莊部長翠雲：我想對於……"],["賴委員士葆：不願意給地方政府就對了啦！就是這樣子啦！"],["莊部長翠雲：對於債務的控管，各委員都非常的重視，所以平時財政部對於增加還債……"],["賴委員士葆：要還多少你告訴我，還多少？債務只有還5%而已啊！你還多少？還多少？你講。"],["莊部長翠雲：我們這一次會再增加……"],["賴委員士葆：還多少？你講。"],["莊部長翠雲：還債200億，還200億。"],["賴委員士葆：200億而已啊！"],["莊部長翠雲：那另外還有……"],["賴委員士葆：債務只有還200億啊！對不對？"],["莊部長翠雲：我覺得不是這樣說的，我們如果還掉的話，其實所剩的就不多了，因為第一個，我要舉債的部分沒有舉債，然後我們又還債，債務還本預算數的編列，再加上增還以後所剩的不多，這個部分……"],["賴委員士葆：這樣還剩多少？還剩多少？"],["莊部長翠雲：這個部分怎麼算當然還有跟歲出……"],["賴委員士葆：還剩多少？"],["莊部長翠雲：還有跟歲出有關，所以這個部分詳細的數字在……"],["賴委員士葆：你沒有回答我啊！"],["莊部長翠雲：我沒有舉債一千多億，也多還債……"],["賴委員士葆：反正中央超徵的三千五百多億怎麼花就是不給地方政府就對了啦！這就是莊部長的答案。"],["莊部長翠雲：委員，你不能這樣說，對於……"],["賴委員士葆：就是這樣說啊！"],["莊部長翠雲：地方政府的財政資源，其實中央一直在大力的支持，從103年到113年已經成長85%，沒有不給地方。"],["賴委員士葆：你聽我講完，部長，因為你講很多了，你聽我講一下。有一個前任的政務官，我不要講哪一位，部會首長級告訴我，他說你們立委都太客氣了，砍5%一點感覺都沒有啦！砍10%有一點感覺，勉強也可以啦！你不會砍3,753億，我們替你砍，很簡單，平均砍12%就解決了，還要編什麼預算？我們來砍，比如說台電2,000億砍掉，就是台電的追加預算1,000億、台電的增資1,000億，這2,000億砍掉；亞銀它賤踏我們，用「Taipei, China」，按照法律規定，只要100萬美金，我們付了200萬美金，我們砍掉100萬美金；還有官股，現在八大行庫的官股保留盈餘加一加1,000億拿出來就3,000億了。台電砍2,000億，保留盈餘官股1,000億，plus就3,000億了。經濟部為什麼它前瞻預算也要幾十億給NVIDIA？NVIDIA有欠這個錢嗎？前瞻預算也要給它幾百億，然後總預算也要給它幾百億，郭智輝還在講說要給300億，然後遠傳電信、中華電信以及台灣大哥大，這裡面27億我就幫你砍一下，你不會砍，我替你砍。","所以要砍掉3,750億很簡單，預算不必重編，立法院替你砍。我再講一遍，台電的2,000億砍掉，亞銀的100萬美金砍掉，給中華電信、台灣大哥大、遠傳的補助27億砍掉，我加一加，包括八大行庫的保留盈餘1,000億，就三千多億了，我砍就有了啦！然後事實上我們可以平均每個部會砍10%，加一加絕對夠，錢都夠，怎麼會不夠呢？怎麼會你講……你聽我講完，不要急！不要急！我會讓你講。宣傳費20億砍掉，要砍的太多了，我再強調一遍，這個政務官、部會首長就告訴我，砍10%有點感覺，但是也是可以運作，所以我們的目標就10%，3兆的10%是3,000億砍掉，其中台電就2,000億砍掉了，因為郭智輝也說了，你砍掉他可以去借錢，他很有錢，他有的是辦法可以借錢，台電去借2,000億一點問題都沒有，就砍掉2,000億，然後他給NVIDIA，NVIDIA會稀罕你的300億嗎？AMD……部長，不要恐嚇人民啦！不要恐嚇人民啦！三千多億隨便湊都有啦！我們政府很有錢啦！到處都是錢啦！就是你有沒有去撙節、有沒有去砍它而已。立法院太客氣了，以前就只有砍1%，總預算1%，這次要砍10%起跳，就3,000億了，所以「好勢溜溜」，3,000億砍來給地方政府，給地方政府就一點問題都沒有，你講。"],["莊部長翠雲：當然審查預算是立法院的權責，但是如果……"],["賴委員士葆：我就告訴你，我們要這樣做。"],["莊部長翠雲：這樣子刪減預算以後，對中央施政會不會產生窒礙，以及對民眾權益的影響，我覺得這都要審慎的研議，我想這個部分不是說怎麼砍，然後應該事實上要考慮後面怎麼施政、有沒有窒礙，我覺得這部分……"],["賴委員士葆：你現在講完以後，我就跟你講，郭智輝部長說……"],["莊部長翠雲：然後對於國際組織的捐款涉及到我們國家對於國際組織信用的事情，以及……"],["賴委員士葆：它賤踏我們的國格耶！"],["莊部長翠雲：我覺得這個我們要……"],["賴委員士葆：「Taipei, China」……"],["莊部長翠雲：我們要實質的參與，然後增加……"],["賴委員士葆：我們給它100萬美金就夠了，你為什麼給它200萬？這筆一定要砍，對不對？"],["莊部長翠雲：我們實質的參與、增加國際的能見度一直是我們努力的目標，我覺得這個部分……"],["賴委員士葆：我們不是強調主權嗎？我們一直強調主權，它把我們矮化「Taipei, China」，你還給它200萬，根據規定100萬就夠了，對不對？"],["莊部長翠雲：這個部分當然……在名稱的部分，我們持續的抗議，但是如果我們不遵守國際上相關的一些承諾的話，事實上對我們國際聲譽並不是很好。"],["賴委員士葆：對不起，你亂糊弄大家，遵守國際規則100萬美金就夠了，你為什麼要加100萬美金？按規定100萬美金就夠了，你不要給它200萬美金，像這些砍一砍，3,000億太簡單了，隨便都有啦！我都替你砍，你不會砍，我替你砍，預算不必重編，因為重編，新的計畫不能開始做，而且重編開始要3個月，所以你也講沒有要重編，那就好，部長，你可以私底下告訴我什麼地方可以砍，我替你砍，這樣比較快，對不對？什麼地方可以就把它砍掉，這樣做就可以了。"],["莊部長翠雲：這涉及各部會的施政，我想各部會最近也都在盤整，也都提出來如果預算減少的話對他們施政上的障礙，而且對民眾權益的影響等都有在盤點。"],["賴委員士葆：對不起啊！我剛剛講過了，郭智輝部長對2,000億根本一點都不在乎，他說舉債，我砍2,000億，我們已經決定砍2,000億了，這是確定的，台電的增資1,000億砍掉、追加1,000億砍掉，就2,000億了，所以「好勢溜溜」，叫a piece of cake，要砍你的3,000億太簡單了，所以，部長，不要在那裡恐嚇人民，用政治操作而且用我們立法院的時間跑到行政院去罵我們立法院，下一次你再發生的話，你看怎麼辦？","另外我要問你，保險證券有沒有可能公公合併？因為都太小了，臺銀的很小，土銀的都很小，有沒有可能合併？"],["莊部長翠雲：保險證券，在保險的部分，我們現在其實臺銀……"],["賴委員士葆：你們都很小，都小小、小小的。"],["莊部長翠雲：對。"],["賴委員士葆：乾脆合併算了嘛！要不要考慮一下？"],["莊部長翠雲：對，這部分他們大部分都已經在做內部的併了，因為像土銀原來的保經跟保代都已經……"],["賴委員士葆：什麼時候方案可以出來？"],["莊部長翠雲：土銀的已經併到它的總行裡面了。"],["賴委員士葆：什麼時候方案可以出來？"],["莊部長翠雲：臺灣金控的部分是不是請臺灣金控董事長來說明一下？好嗎？"],["賴委員士葆：好，凌董事長，什麼時候可以有一個雛形出來、方案可以出來？"],["凌董事長忠嫄：委員好。因為臺灣金控旗下有3家子公司，一家是銀行、一家是保險、一家是證券，那麼如果……"],["賴委員士葆：我跟你講，證券跟保險與其他公公合併。"],["凌董事長忠嫄：如果說保險跟證券與其他合併的話，因為我們是百分之百國營的，別家大概不願意併進來，大概只有我們會併到這些民營的，但是我們併到其他民營之後，我們臺灣金控……"],["賴委員士葆：我講公公，你們跟土銀併啊！"],["凌董事長忠嫄：沒有，土銀本來就是只有銀行。"],["賴委員士葆：對啊！跟輸出入銀行，沒有嗎？"],["凌董事長忠嫄：輸出入銀行也只有輸出保險。"],["賴委員士葆：其他的泛公股呢？"],["凌董事長忠嫄：其他泛公股是民營的。"],["賴委員士葆：他們不願意？"],["凌董事長忠嫄：不是，如果我們併給別人的話，我們金控三隻腳就少一隻，我們就不會變金控了。"],["賴委員士葆：好，這個不要講太多。","最後一點很重要，替你講話的，凌董事長，剛才有委員提到，你們的績效是不錯的，你看這個央行公布的，你們臺灣金控的年增率28.1%，排名非常前面，可是你們相對的福利、待遇就差很多，聽說這一部分莊部長一直有意見，莊部長不同意提高你們的待遇是不是？"],["凌董事長忠嫄：莊部長其實非常支持，他只是說因為有涉及到一些法規的部分……"],["賴委員士葆：所以我的訊息是錯誤的，我說你們拚命在衝，結果莊部長一直打槍，莊部長配合人事總處說不可以，莊部長講一句話，好不好？你講一下。"],["莊部長翠雲：委員，對於國營金融事業，提高他們的相關待遇及福利其實財政部基本上都是支持的，尤其在薪資的部分，在107年已經和公務員的調薪脫鉤，由他們依照績效來調薪，所以從107年到今年已經調整15%，那福利……"],["賴委員士葆：我只問一個，因為我的時間到了，主席站起來了，我只問一個，可不可以讓臺銀這些百分之百官股的臺、土、輸他們的待遇、福利比照泛公股？只是問這句話。"],["莊部長翠雲：國營事業因為有國營事業相關的法律，我覺得這個部分要跟……"],["賴委員士葆：去改呀！"],["莊部長翠雲：這個跟人事總處比較有關係。"],["賴委員士葆：那個你可以去改呀！"],["莊部長翠雲：我們必須要進行溝通跟說明，然後……"],["賴委員士葆：你們要去跟人事總處fight。"],["莊部長翠雲：當然我們會去表達。"],["賴委員士葆：我也去人事總處問，人事長說是部長的問題，部長同意就可以了。"],["莊部長翠雲：是嗎？他不是這樣跟我說。"],["賴委員士葆：他這樣講。"],["莊部長翠雲：他沒有這樣跟我說，謝謝委員關心，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝士葆委員。","接著請郭國文委員發言。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":106,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-20-13","speakers":["賴惠員","賴士葆","陳菁徽","林德福","吳秉叡","郭國文","顏寬恒","李坤城","李彥秀","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","王世堅","黃健豪","黃珊珊","羅明才","張啓楷","陳玉珍","王鴻薇"],"page_start":1,"meetingDate":["2024-12-25"],"gazette_id":"1141203","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1141203_00002"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期財政委員會第13次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、審查「菸酒稅法」 10 案：( 一) 行政院函請審議、本院委員李柏毅等 16 人、委員賴惠員等16\n人、委員郭國文等 18 人、委員吳琪銘等 16 人分別擬具「菸酒稅法部分條文修正草案」等 5 案、\n(二)本院委員徐巧芯等29人擬具「菸酒稅法第十九條條文修正草案」案、(三)本院委員賴士葆等\n27人、委員伍麗華 Saidhai Tahovecahe 等20人、委員張智倫等18人分別擬具「菸酒稅法第十九\n條及第二十一條條文修正草案」等3案、(四)本院委員陳玉珍等19人擬具「菸酒稅法第十九條及\n第二十三條條文修正草案」案；二、審查「使用牌照稅法」8案：(一) 行政院函請審議、本院委\n員賴士葆等24人、委員陳菁徽等17人、委員張智倫等18人、委員陳素月等19人、委員賴惠員等17\n人、委員郭國文等16人分別擬具「使用牌照稅法第二十九條、第三十條及第三十一條條文修正草\n案」等7案、(二) 本院委員陳玉珍等19人擬具「使用牌照稅法第三十條及第三十一條條文修正草\n案」案；三、審查行政院函請審議、本院委員賴士葆等21人、委員林楚茵等18人、委員徐巧芯等\n27人、委員賴惠員等17人、委員郭國文等17人分別擬具「土地稅法第五十四條條文修正草案」等\n6案；四、審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分，關於財政部主管中國\n輸出入銀行、臺灣金融控股股份有限公司（含臺灣銀行股份有限公司、臺銀人壽保險股份有限公\n司、臺銀綜合證券股份有限公司）（僅詢答）","agenda_id":"1141203_00001"}}}