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00:03:30,160\n委員吳琪銘\n\n11\n00:04:00,841 --> 00:04:20,489\n根據立法院三讀通過就是施行日生效施行日就生效嗎?對吧?是那我先不論到底有沒有違憲到底能否執行我就想先問如果需要重編如果我就很在意這3750億\n\n12\n00:04:24,491 --> 00:04:43,992\n在各部會他會怎麼抽怎麼從編這件事我很在意我就光以原民會來看其實在原民會有很多很多最多這種跨年度的計劃他是會受影響的那\n\n13\n00:04:45,171 --> 00:04:47,334\n委員吳琪銘等16人提案如經院會復議．則不予審查\n\n14\n00:05:00,291 --> 00:05:15,255\n對於像我們的原住民族博物館也正在籌配處開始啟動我們原住民最需要的文化聚會所特色道路各式各樣的公共建設它都是屬於四年期計劃幾年期計劃會不會受影響\n\n15\n00:05:18,302 --> 00:05:46,781\n委員我們的預算都是先有施政的計劃在裡面才會編預算是所以才會編出來那114年度預算行政院已經編完然後送到立法院在審議那麼大院也都在審議當中那所以這樣財化法通過以後對於中央施政的整個會產生多大的摯愛目前我們跟主計總署都一直在盤點當中要盤多久後續的救濟的一個相關的措施我們也會和行政院一起來做評估\n\n16\n00:05:49,463 --> 00:06:06,911\n這個所謂的憲政的救濟相關的措施究竟採取什麼樣的措施都會和行政院來做評估那我現在就想要先釐清一些因為我們族人很在意我舉個例子來講各個鄉公所他們有一個基本設施維持費會受影響嗎\n\n17\n00:06:10,046 --> 00:06:35,611\n部分的、細節的部分我們跟委員報告如果說未來中央要對地方大幅的釋出裁員的話那勢必、勢權應該要做調整那勢必會受到影響嘛勢必會受到影響,那勢權就必須要做調整那這個衝擊對我們原住民都未來逐項的來再檢討這個事情好,那部長我其實更在意的是我看到\n\n18\n00:06:37,218 --> 00:06:58,151\n這兩天好多好多的圖卡透過群組透過各個社群媒體都在散發我舉個例子財化法修正後福利政策一樣都不會少TPAS租屋補貼他說這些補貼屬於法定或既定政策預算絕不會被刪減部長這是錯假訊息還是真的\n\n19\n00:07:03,649 --> 00:07:18,542\n跟委員報告中央要釋出3750幾億的一個財源的話勢必相關的一些措施都會受到衝擊那這就是錯假訊息都會受到衝擊的那個帳這一本帳不是這樣算的那將這張圖卡\n\n20\n00:07:20,777 --> 00:07:49,883\n修正財劃法其實是俘國利民然後提到說中央仍有至少9000億元可用足夠支應全國性重大建設這個是錯假訊息還是為真所有的我們的預算編列都因為有施政計畫才有這個預算你把預算如果減少的話那原來的施政計畫去怎麼執行一定有摯愛的所以部長你一直這樣回答意思就是說會影響嘛\n\n21\n00:07:52,227 --> 00:07:55,268\n那會有衝擊啊那我問一下蘇花安會如期進行嗎?蘇花安呢?交通部是蘇花安的安全島我們花蓮人很重視這個啊對我知道當然我想這個部分交通部會去評估那我們高鐵南延屏東呢?\n\n22\n00:08:21,539 --> 00:08:27,725\n財政部不管這些支出的部分是主席總署在主責然後各部會的相關計畫由各部會在做檢視當中那大家都說近幾年稅收超徵\n\n23\n00:08:40,296 --> 00:08:43,777\n1.34兆拿3000億給地方就哭天搶地沒那麼嚴重是這樣嗎不是這樣的那怎麼樣第一個就是說今年的我們的實收數會超過我們的預算數第一個我們減少舉債增加還債其實所剩的也不是也不多\n\n24\n00:09:00,663 --> 00:09:21,793\n翌年稅客收入調到2兆7千多億已經很接近今年的時增數了所以明年也沒有所謂的會有大幅超過預算數的一個情形第三個要說明的就是說其實稅收的一個時增數會和國際的政經情勢有很大的影響跟委員報告就是說我們看往回看\n\n25\n00:09:22,493 --> 00:09:33,603\n從民國90年到92年事實上我們事實上是沒有達到預算數為什麼遇到網路的泡沫還有SARS那到97年跟98年的時候碰到金融海嘯同樣也少增了2500多億元\n\n26\n00:09:38,067 --> 00:09:46,354\n這事實上是一個滿大的一個數額另外後來碰到歐債的危機的時候在其他101年跟102年事實上也是減少的一個情況那在109年碰到COVID的時候我們的實證數也沒有達到預算數所以不是\n\n27\n00:09:54,781 --> 00:10:20,489\n每一年我們的時增數都可以達到預算數因為在編列預算的時候對於明年的情形有一些是無法預知的一個國際政經情勢的一個變化所以這個部分我要很詳細的一個跟委員報告部長我要講的就是說我從你一路我聽到你們的詢答其實就是表示其實很困難會有衝擊一定有影響那如果說這些錯假訊息這些圖卡\n\n28\n00:10:22,910 --> 00:10:33,137\n他是圖個安定民心那還豈有可原可是如果是掩耳盜鈴甚至以正直可造成未來極大的災難那我覺得這很可怕\n\n29\n00:10:37,580 --> 00:10:59,662\n所以我在這裡我要拜託財政部我有一個訴求我覺得你們至少要提供正確的資訊我們人民看著這些瞞天傻的這些圖卡我們不知道何者為真何者為假所以我覺得財政部你們必須要提供正確的資訊\n\n30\n00:11:02,455 --> 00:11:28,913\n如果像剛才我這樣子聽都是有影響都是有衝擊我先不論有沒有違憲要不要做救濟能不能執行但是我覺得政府必須要提供正確的資訊像很多人那個人均分配他們以為說是要進到老百姓的口袋捏也有這樣的錯假資訊捏我跟他說不是到你的口袋啦是到包商的口袋啦\n\n31\n00:11:30,253 --> 00:11:34,501\n因為地方的建設到時候可能會很多廠商來標啦\n\n32\n00:11:36,621 --> 00:12:04,386\n又是黑金的復辟啦但是很多的錯假訊息我覺得政府有必要提供正確的訊息那我希望說這個部分能夠盡快的做讓我們一起來澄清現在各部會都在說我看昨天農業部的陳部長也都有做短影音還有經濟部也都有表達對他們施政的一個衝擊我們動作太慢了啦人家散佈錯假訊息永遠比我們快兩天\n\n33\n00:12:06,219 --> 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想這個部分交通部會去評估那我們高鐵南延屏東呢?\n財政部不管這些支出的部分是主席總署在主責然後各部會的相關計畫由各部會在做檢視當中那大家都說近幾年稅收超徵\n1.34兆拿3000億給地方就哭天搶地沒那麼嚴重是這樣嗎不是這樣的那怎麼樣第一個就是說今年的我們的實收數會超過我們的預算數第一個我們減少舉債增加還債其實所剩的也不是也不多\n翌年稅客收入調到2兆7千多億已經很接近今年的時增數了所以明年也沒有所謂的會有大幅超過預算數的一個情形第三個要說明的就是說其實稅收的一個時增數會和國際的政經情勢有很大的影響跟委員報告就是說我們看往回看\n從民國90年到92年事實上我們事實上是沒有達到預算數為什麼遇到網路的泡沫還有SARS那到97年跟98年的時候碰到金融海嘯同樣也少增了2500多億元\n這事實上是一個滿大的一個數額另外後來碰到歐債的危機的時候在其他101年跟102年事實上也是減少的一個情況那在109年碰到COVID的時候我們的實證數也沒有達到預算數所以不是\n每一年我們的時增數都可以達到預算數因為在編列預算的時候對於明年的情形有一些是無法預知的一個國際政經情勢的一個變化所以這個部分我要很詳細的一個跟委員報告部長我要講的就是說我從你一路我聽到你們的詢答其實就是表示其實很困難會有衝擊一定有影響那如果說這些錯假訊息這些圖卡\n他是圖個安定民心那還豈有可原可是如果是掩耳盜鈴甚至以正直可造成未來極大的災難那我覺得這很可怕\n所以我在這裡我要拜託財政部我有一個訴求我覺得你們至少要提供正確的資訊我們人民看著這些瞞天傻的這些圖卡我們不知道何者為真何者為假所以我覺得財政部你們必須要提供正確的資訊\n如果像剛才我這樣子聽都是有影響都是有衝擊我先不論有沒有違憲要不要做救濟能不能執行但是我覺得政府必須要提供正確的資訊像很多人那個人均分配他們以為說是要進到老百姓的口袋捏也有這樣的錯假資訊捏我跟他說不是到你的口袋啦是到包商的口袋啦\n因為地方的建設到時候可能會很多廠商來標啦\n又是黑金的復辟啦但是很多的錯假訊息我覺得政府有必要提供正確的訊息那我希望說這個部分能夠盡快的做讓我們一起來澄清現在各部會都在說我看昨天農業部的陳部長也都有做短影音還有經濟部也都有表達對他們施政的一個衝擊我們動作太慢了啦人家散佈錯假訊息永遠比我們快兩天\n我想這個部分是各部會要趕快加緊腳步的好不好?是,好,謝謝委員指教好,謝謝部長,謝謝部長、謝謝部長、謝謝部長、謝謝部長、謝謝部長、謝謝部長、謝謝部長、謝謝部長、謝謝部長、謝謝部長、謝謝部長、謝謝部長、謝謝部長、謝謝部長、謝謝部長、謝謝部長、謝謝部長、謝謝部長、謝謝部長、謝謝部長、謝謝部長、謝謝部長、謝謝部長、謝謝部長、謝謝部長、謝謝部長、謝謝部長、謝謝部長、謝謝部長、謝謝部長、謝謝部長、謝謝部長、謝謝部長、謝謝部長、謝謝部長、謝謝部長、謝謝部長、謝謝部長、謝謝部長、謝謝部長、謝謝部長、謝謝部長、謝謝部長、謝謝部長、謝謝部長、謝謝部長、謝謝部長、謝謝部長\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.349 --> 00:00.730\n莫乃光議員\n\n00:07.952 --> 00:31.699\n委員好部長好部長我在11月18號的時候有針對原住民釀小米酒來去做質詢那我在這邊要特別感謝因為我看到國庫署他的網頁已經有新增農民原住民\n\n00:32.779 --> 00:55.790\n至久製造賺取而且還有懶人包所以這個部分對於這樣的一個積極認識建籍旅舉我表達肯定跟感謝我相信這樣也是一種積極輔導的作為可以讓更多的人避免處罰但是我回過頭來我還是要講因為我們的稅我們的這些罰款\n\n01:02.213 --> 01:27.908\n其實在在的就是不利於原住民釀酒文化產業的發展那確實這個事實是存在的大家確實都會私釀小米酒這是事實那沒有獲利這也是事實所以這個部分我希望呢未來政府能夠有許多更積極的作為那就在我11月18號\n\n01:31.170 --> 01:58.245\n針對過去臺東達仁鄉有一位包研華頭目他在祭典的當天他的酒被沒收而且財罰五萬那他一直對這件事耿耿於懷因為他覺得好像部落在做壞事覺得好像自己是小偷所以這個部分我覺得對他們來講傷害很大\n\n01:59.185 --> 02:24.490\n其實在我質詢之後不到一個禮拜他也過世了所以他也來不及去獲得這樣一個好的消息但是我們總是希望未來希望這樣的事情就不要再發生我在這裡就是要特別提到今天的《菸酒稅法》我也有版本我的版本是希望說一、情節輕重\n\n02:26.110 --> 02:27.411\n除三倍以下罰環\n\n02:56.952 --> 03:06.192\n我們在很多的法例如這一次我們討論的《野保法》我們有首犯不罰那部長您的意見如何\n\n03:07.841 --> 03:08.001\n請審查《菸酒稅法法案》\n\n03:29.960 --> 03:30.160\n委員吳琪銘\n\n04:00.841 --> 04:20.489\n根據立法院三讀通過就是施行日生效施行日就生效嗎?對吧?是那我先不論到底有沒有違憲到底能否執行我就想先問如果需要重編如果我就很在意這3750億\n\n04:24.491 --> 04:43.992\n在各部會他會怎麼抽怎麼從編這件事我很在意我就光以原民會來看其實在原民會有很多很多最多這種跨年度的計劃他是會受影響的那\n\n04:45.171 --> 04:47.334\n委員吳琪銘等16人提案如經院會復議．則不予審查\n\n05:00.291 --> 05:15.255\n對於像我們的原住民族博物館也正在籌配處開始啟動我們原住民最需要的文化聚會所特色道路各式各樣的公共建設它都是屬於四年期計劃幾年期計劃會不會受影響\n\n05:18.302 --> 05:46.781\n委員我們的預算都是先有施政的計劃在裡面才會編預算是所以才會編出來那114年度預算行政院已經編完然後送到立法院在審議那麼大院也都在審議當中那所以這樣財化法通過以後對於中央施政的整個會產生多大的摯愛目前我們跟主計總署都一直在盤點當中要盤多久後續的救濟的一個相關的措施我們也會和行政院一起來做評估\n\n05:49.463 --> 06:06.911\n這個所謂的憲政的救濟相關的措施究竟採取什麼樣的措施都會和行政院來做評估那我現在就想要先釐清一些因為我們族人很在意我舉個例子來講各個鄉公所他們有一個基本設施維持費會受影響嗎\n\n06:10.046 --> 06:35.611\n部分的、細節的部分我們跟委員報告如果說未來中央要對地方大幅的釋出裁員的話那勢必、勢權應該要做調整那勢必會受到影響嘛勢必會受到影響,那勢權就必須要做調整那這個衝擊對我們原住民都未來逐項的來再檢討這個事情好,那部長我其實更在意的是我看到\n\n06:37.218 --> 06:58.151\n這兩天好多好多的圖卡透過群組透過各個社群媒體都在散發我舉個例子財化法修正後福利政策一樣都不會少TPAS租屋補貼他說這些補貼屬於法定或既定政策預算絕不會被刪減部長這是錯假訊息還是真的\n\n07:03.649 --> 07:18.542\n跟委員報告中央要釋出3750幾億的一個財源的話勢必相關的一些措施都會受到衝擊那這就是錯假訊息都會受到衝擊的那個帳這一本帳不是這樣算的那將這張圖卡\n\n07:20.777 --> 07:49.883\n修正財劃法其實是俘國利民然後提到說中央仍有至少9000億元可用足夠支應全國性重大建設這個是錯假訊息還是為真所有的我們的預算編列都因為有施政計畫才有這個預算你把預算如果減少的話那原來的施政計畫去怎麼執行一定有摯愛的所以部長你一直這樣回答意思就是說會影響嘛\n\n07:52.227 --> 07:55.268\n那會有衝擊啊那我問一下蘇花安會如期進行嗎?蘇花安呢?交通部是蘇花安的安全島我們花蓮人很重視這個啊對我知道當然我想這個部分交通部會去評估那我們高鐵南延屏東呢?\n\n08:21.539 --> 08:27.725\n財政部不管這些支出的部分是主席總署在主責然後各部會的相關計畫由各部會在做檢視當中那大家都說近幾年稅收超徵\n\n08:40.296 --> 08:43.777\n1.34兆拿3000億給地方就哭天搶地沒那麼嚴重是這樣嗎不是這樣的那怎麼樣第一個就是說今年的我們的實收數會超過我們的預算數第一個我們減少舉債增加還債其實所剩的也不是也不多\n\n09:00.663 --> 09:21.793\n翌年稅客收入調到2兆7千多億已經很接近今年的時增數了所以明年也沒有所謂的會有大幅超過預算數的一個情形第三個要說明的就是說其實稅收的一個時增數會和國際的政經情勢有很大的影響跟委員報告就是說我們看往回看\n\n09:22.493 --> 09:33.603\n從民國90年到92年事實上我們事實上是沒有達到預算數為什麼遇到網路的泡沫還有SARS那到97年跟98年的時候碰到金融海嘯同樣也少增了2500多億元\n\n09:38.067 --> 09:46.354\n這事實上是一個滿大的一個數額另外後來碰到歐債的危機的時候在其他101年跟102年事實上也是減少的一個情況那在109年碰到COVID的時候我們的實證數也沒有達到預算數所以不是\n\n09:54.781 --> 10:20.489\n每一年我們的時增數都可以達到預算數因為在編列預算的時候對於明年的情形有一些是無法預知的一個國際政經情勢的一個變化所以這個部分我要很詳細的一個跟委員報告部長我要講的就是說我從你一路我聽到你們的詢答其實就是表示其實很困難會有衝擊一定有影響那如果說這些錯假訊息這些圖卡\n\n10:22.910 --> 10:33.137\n他是圖個安定民心那還豈有可原可是如果是掩耳盜鈴甚至以正直可造成未來極大的災難那我覺得這很可怕\n\n10:37.580 --> 10:59.662\n所以我在這裡我要拜託財政部我有一個訴求我覺得你們至少要提供正確的資訊我們人民看著這些瞞天傻的這些圖卡我們不知道何者為真何者為假所以我覺得財政部你們必須要提供正確的資訊\n\n11:02.455 --> 11:28.913\n如果像剛才我這樣子聽都是有影響都是有衝擊我先不論有沒有違憲要不要做救濟能不能執行但是我覺得政府必須要提供正確的資訊像很多人那個人均分配他們以為說是要進到老百姓的口袋捏也有這樣的錯假資訊捏我跟他說不是到你的口袋啦是到包商的口袋啦\n\n11:30.253 --> 11:34.501\n因為地方的建設到時候可能會很多廠商來標啦\n\n11:36.621 --> 12:04.386\n又是黑金的復辟啦但是很多的錯假訊息我覺得政府有必要提供正確的訊息那我希望說這個部分能夠盡快的做讓我們一起來澄清現在各部會都在說我看昨天農業部的陳部長也都有做短影音還有經濟部也都有表達對他們施政的一個衝擊我們動作太慢了啦人家散佈錯假訊息永遠比我們快兩天\n\n12:06.219 --> 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Tahovecahe委員：所以勢必會受到影響嘛！"],["莊部長翠雲：勢必會受到影響，所以事權就必須要做調整……"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：那這個衝擊對我們原住民……"],["莊部長翠雲：到時候都會再逐項來檢討這個事情。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：好。部長，我其實更在意的是，我看到這兩天好多、好多的圖卡，透過群組、透過各個社群媒體都在散發。我舉個例子，財劃法修正後，福利政策一樣都不會少，TPASS、租屋補貼，他說這些補貼屬於法定或既定政策預算，絕不會被刪減。部長，這是錯假訊息還是真的？"],["莊部長翠雲：跟委員報告，中央要釋出三千七百五十幾億的財源的話，勢必相關的一些措施都會受到衝擊。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：那這就是錯假訊息？"],["莊部長翠雲：都會受到衝擊，這一本帳不是這樣算的。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：好，像這張圖卡說修正財劃法其實是福國利民，然後提到中央仍有至少9,000億元可用，足夠支應全國性重大建設。這個是錯假訊息還是真的？"],["莊部長翠雲：所有我們的預算編列都因為有施政計畫才有這個預算，預算如果減少的話，原來的施政計畫怎麼去執行一定會有窒礙的。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：所以部長你一直這樣回答，意思就是說會影響嘛！"],["莊部長翠雲：當然會有衝擊啊。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：好。那我問一下蘇花安會如期進行嗎？"],["莊部長翠雲：蘇花安？"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：蘇花安呢？"],["莊部長翠雲：那個是交通部業管，是蘇花的安全道，這是在交通部……"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：我們花蓮人很重視這個啊！傅崐萁也很重視啊。"],["莊部長翠雲：對，我知道，當然，我想這個部分交通部會去評估。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：那高鐵南延屏東呢？"],["莊部長翠雲：同樣地，交通建設交通部會去評估。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：所以我應該去交通部問？財政部不管這些？"],["莊部長翠雲：不是財政部不管這些，支出的部分是主計總處在主責，然後各部會的相關計畫由各部會在做檢視當中。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：大家都說近幾年稅收超徵1.34兆，拿3,000億給地方就哭天搶地，沒那麼嚴重，是這樣嗎？"],["莊部長翠雲：不是這樣的，第一個就是，今年我們的實收數會超過預算數，我們減少舉債、增加還債，其實所剩的也不多。第二個部分，明年我們的稅課收入調到兩兆七千多億，已經很接近今年的實徵數，所以明年也沒有所謂會有大幅超過預算數的情形。第三個要說明的就是，其實稅收的實徵數會受國際政經情勢很大的影響。","要跟委員報告的就是，我們往回看，從民國90年到92年，我們事實上是沒有達到預算數，為什麼？因為遇到網路泡沫還有SARS；那到97年跟98年的時候碰到金融海嘯，同樣也少徵了兩千五百多億元，這事實上是一個滿大的數額；另外，後來碰到歐債危機的時候，在101年跟102年事實上也是減少的情況；那在109年碰到COVID-19的時候，我們的實徵數也沒有達到預算數，所以不是每一年我們的實徵數都可以達到預算數，因為在編列預算的時候，對於明年的情形有一些是無法預知的國際政經情勢的變化，所以這個部分我要很詳細地跟委員報告。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：部長，我要講的就是，我一路聽到您的詢答，其實就是表示很困難、會有衝擊，一定有影響，如果這些錯假訊息、這些圖卡是圖個安定民心，那還情有可原，可是如果是掩耳盜鈴，甚至飲鴆止渴，造成未來極大的災難，那我覺得這很可怕！","所以我在這裡要拜託財政部，我有一個訴求，我覺得你們至少要提供正確的資訊，我們人民看著這些漫天灑的圖卡，我們不知道何者為真、何者為假，所以我覺得財政部必須要提供正確的資訊，如果像剛才我這樣子聽，都是有影響、都是有衝擊，我先不論有沒有違憲、要不要做救濟、能不能執行，但是我覺得政府必須要提供正確的資訊。像是人均分配，很多人以為是要進到老百姓的口袋，也有這樣的錯假資訊，我跟他說，不是到你的口袋、是到包商的口袋啦，因為地方的建設到時候可能會很多廠商來標，又是黑金的復辟！針對很多的錯假訊息，我覺得政府有必要要提供正確的訊息，我希望這個部分能夠盡快做，讓我們一起來澄清。"],["莊部長翠雲：沒錯，現在各部會都在說，我看昨天農業部的陳部長也都有做短影音，還有經濟部也都有表達對他們施政的衝擊，環境部也都有。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：我們動作太慢了啦，人家散播錯假訊息永遠比我們快兩天，我想這個部分是各部會要趕快加緊腳步的，好不好？"],["莊部長翠雲：好，謝謝委員指教，謝謝。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：謝謝部長、謝謝主席。"],["主席：謝謝伍麗華委員。我們現在休息10分鐘。","休息（11時11分）","繼續開會（11時23分）"],["主席：開會。","接著請王世堅委員發言。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":106,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-20-13","speakers":["賴惠員","賴士葆","陳菁徽","林德福","吳秉叡","郭國文","顏寬恒","李坤城","李彥秀","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","王世堅","黃健豪","黃珊珊","羅明才","張啓楷","陳玉珍","王鴻薇"],"page_start":1,"meetingDate":["2024-12-25"],"gazette_id":"1141203","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1141203_00002"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期財政委員會第13次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、審查「菸酒稅法」 10 案：( 一) 行政院函請審議、本院委員李柏毅等 16 人、委員賴惠員等16\n人、委員郭國文等 18 人、委員吳琪銘等 16 人分別擬具「菸酒稅法部分條文修正草案」等 5 案、\n(二)本院委員徐巧芯等29人擬具「菸酒稅法第十九條條文修正草案」案、(三)本院委員賴士葆等\n27人、委員伍麗華 Saidhai Tahovecahe 等20人、委員張智倫等18人分別擬具「菸酒稅法第十九\n條及第二十一條條文修正草案」等3案、(四)本院委員陳玉珍等19人擬具「菸酒稅法第十九條及\n第二十三條條文修正草案」案；二、審查「使用牌照稅法」8案：(一) 行政院函請審議、本院委\n員賴士葆等24人、委員陳菁徽等17人、委員張智倫等18人、委員陳素月等19人、委員賴惠員等17\n人、委員郭國文等16人分別擬具「使用牌照稅法第二十九條、第三十條及第三十一條條文修正草\n案」等7案、(二) 本院委員陳玉珍等19人擬具「使用牌照稅法第三十條及第三十一條條文修正草\n案」案；三、審查行政院函請審議、本院委員賴士葆等21人、委員林楚茵等18人、委員徐巧芯等\n27人、委員賴惠員等17人、委員郭國文等17人分別擬具「土地稅法第五十四條條文修正草案」等\n6案；四、審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分，關於財政部主管中國\n輸出入銀行、臺灣金融控股股份有限公司（含臺灣銀行股份有限公司、臺銀人壽保險股份有限公\n司、臺銀綜合證券股份有限公司）（僅詢答）","agenda_id":"1141203_00001"}}}