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00:02:14,364\n來舉報那舉報之後我們按照法定程序那目前的市會是也加強了這個很多的一個情教等等包括後續的防備措施那包括在針鋒處也移情那除了是憲兵以外警官以外呢那在都在地檢署裡面的處理那國安的部分我們會來強化管理那另外這個謝謝委員的詮詢剛剛這個這個總統總統府作為中共攻擊目標的部分\n\n7\n00:02:21,449 --> 00:02:36,172\n我們從資料上看去年一整年總統府被網工駭客攻擊每一個月大概有700萬件700萬次那今年我們到11月底\n\n8\n00:02:36,893 --> 00:03:00,086\n平均每個月最起碼有690幾萬次的這種網路攻擊及駭客的侵入這可以說是無所不用其極所以我們也特別提請大院能夠支持我們未來強化AI資安的防禦效力以及在整個資安設施設備的提升因為過去很多的資安設備包括\n\n9\n00:03:01,326 --> 00:03:23,939\n從總統府周遭的這個監控系統已經用了十幾年了8年多了那它法定是6年就要淘汰了甚至很多的資安設備基本上是已經不復實入了所以我們目前這次提請大院總統府預算裡面把這些資安設施設備甚至在DDROS立法院所關注的這些\n\n10\n00:03:24,659 --> 00:03:32,804\n公集每個月大概也差不多有大概一兩千個公集所以包括異地備處的安全資料符合321的原則甚至有不同的系統的儲存這個部分謝謝委員的垂尋關心這個部分我們也會來強化未來在整個國安立法的部分我們也敦請國安會、國安局未來在行政的提案裡面能夠也未來強化這部分的一個管理\n\n11\n00:03:55,059 --> 00:04:08,986\n總統府事會室也已經做相當的一個處置未來會強化這個請教好謝謝秘書長接連的那個回覆了那因為後面我要垂詢的就是針對我們總統府這次也編列了1.32億的這個資安基礎環境創新升級的這個計畫那這個計畫剛剛\n\n12\n00:04:16,208 --> 00:04:34,102\n聽我們秘書長已經大概有一個這個回答方向那我也希望說這個經費我們未來在這個執行的時候一定要落實以確保我們國家的這個安全不管是這個總統的維安還有相關的資安問題一定要做一個落實的一個維護\n\n13\n00:04:35,783 --> 00:05:02,941\n委員我其實齁坦白講就是說我看齁他們每一年我今年在看那個預算齁都分了3年、4年、5年齁其實坦白講這種資安齁與時俱進啦如果大家能夠支持呢我會敦請我們總統府下一次呢一次到位齁把他整個改變齁不用每一年像切香腸一樣但因為預算預算額度的問題啦所以這個部分要拜託大家能夠支持好謝謝秘書長那秘書長您先請回好謝謝那我請吳秘書長\n\n14\n00:05:06,577 --> 00:05:24,248\n來吳秘書長好秘書長午安吼另外一個問題我想請教我們國安會是關於接下來美國總統即將交接在這個政權過渡期間我們看到中國對台灣的這個動作依舊是變本加厲那秘書長這個月在\n\n15\n00:05:25,048 --> 00:05:51,077\n這個哈德遜研究所演講的時候也表示那升高局勢緊張的這種行動在近幾個月非常的明顯中共政權持續利用各種藉口來建立新的這種常態派出這個軍機闖入台灣的防空識別區跨越台海中線發動大型的這種軍演來威嚇台灣那中共也確實在今年的5月還有10月分別進行聯合立見的這個A及B的這個軍事演習\n\n16\n00:05:53,978 --> 00:06:11,277\n並且在賴總統上個月底出訪太平洋友邦後更有大批的共建包圍第一島鏈那雖然沒有宣布軍援但聯合立建這個2024C是否實質存在秘書長您怎麼觀察非常謝謝委員的這個詢問\n\n17\n00:06:13,539 --> 00:06:29,302\n那的確是在12月8號9號左右我們開始在看到那個中國的軍艦在集結那等到10號11號的時候看到他們也宣布那個在他們沿岸有一個那個航空的保留區\n\n18\n00:06:30,243 --> 00:06:49,085\n那我們看到他們所做的這個演訊的確是我所親身看過的最大的這個演訊我從2016年開始接受那個公安部的這些資訊那從來沒有看過這麼大的海上兵力的集結而且這一次的這個兵力的集結是包括北部戰區東部戰區和南部戰區\n\n19\n00:06:51,007 --> 00:07:18,463\n那他所包圍的這個地區包括東海、台海、南海還有在西太平洋地區那看起來第一島鏈的國家都受到影響了那也因為這樣子的關係我們跟那個一些理念相近國家的這個夥伴也都做了非常緊密的這個協調希望能夠了解中國的這個動機第一個就是說他們的這個規模我們是沒有看過的非常龐大的規模\n\n20\n00:07:19,443 --> 00:07:47,802\n那這個規模是需要長時間的準備至少至少需要兩個時間兩個月的這個時間來做準備那第三個是在冬季通常他們的那個全軍戰略演習結束之後通常不再做大規模的演習可是他們在冬季也呈現出他們這個演習的這個成果所以在這種很複雜的這個狀況之下我們的確是看到他們大規模的動員的演訓那這個看起來就像是一次演習\n\n21\n00:07:48,542 --> 00:07:56,468\n那如果我們回頭過去看10月的那個2022的演習他們的空軍是有史以來最大規模的151架次\n\n22\n00:07:59,557 --> 00:08:28,048\n那這一次的海軍那個所呈現的這個燒刺以及他動員的這個規模的確是我們看過所最大的一個規模所以這次的演習不管他們有沒有這個演習的名稱這個就是一個他們的海上大規模的演訓好這我們最主要我們要預防的就是未來像這種軍演是不是中共他就是在卸防我們國人對於這種軍演未來習慣之後大家民眾會產生無感\n\n23\n00:08:29,629 --> 00:08:42,809\n對,所以這個部分要請我們國安單位一定要這個緊密的這個監控我們都會緊密的那也要持續的提醒民眾是,那也跟委員講一下就是說我們擔心的之前擔心的是他們有眼轉戰\n\n24\n00:08:44,691 --> 00:09:04,196\n就是演習然後就開始攻打那這個是我們預防的可是他這一次是演訓那以前我們也擔心說由訓轉演由演轉戰可是現在看起來或許他們有這個能力由訓直接就轉戰所以我們的國安單位包括我們的國防部都在緊盯這個事情我們會很小心處理\n\n25\n00:09:04,616 --> 00:09:11,658\n好,這部分請秘書長再持續觀察對於中共發動這種軍演經常伴隨的藉口接下來這個國際焦點又會在這個美國總統交接那假使明年這個1月20日我們我國的這個參訪團跟這個川普總統就職典禮的時候如果有這種高層的接觸的這種交流\n\n26\n00:09:26,323 --> 00:09:53,143\n是不是又會挑動中共的一個敏感神經進一步採取軍事行動來恫嚇我們台灣有沒有可能我認為是不會啦那以前我也參加過美國總統的就職是在2005年那時候我是陸委會的主委那時候的狀況就是說這種不是說在非常進入到那個核心區的一個參加\n\n27\n00:09:54,884 --> 00:10:23,723\n所以那個去參與的這個狀況可能不是像我們去邦交國的這種就職典禮所以在這種狀況之下的話我相信中國那邊的反應應該是不會很劇烈才對好另外一個問題我想就叫秘書長就是我們這幾天黨團的柯總召還有王逸川委員都遭到這個抖音上面這個造假身為影片的這個變造加以散播不死的這種言論\n\n28\n00:10:24,503 --> 00:10:51,828\n那一是來自這個境外的這種深圍影片是否有攻擊特定政治人物的一個趨勢您認為我們是有看到那個深圍這個情況的這種升高那有關於這種狀況我們國安單位都在關注當中那如果有的話我們會適時提醒那委員剛剛也提到那個抖音或者是TikTok那中國透過這個抖音\n\n29\n00:10:53,409 --> 00:11:07,928\n去那個利用他的algorithm就是計算的這個方式而且會那個去擷取那個個人的資料個人的喜好等等的那這些對國安來講都有可能有疑慮那針對這些事情我們也都在討論當中\n\n30\n00:11:09,190 --> 00:11:24,662\n那很多其他的國家針對那個抖音或者是說抖音上面可能會去呈現的是這種假影音啊或者是說身為的這種影片等等的那我們的相關單位會持續來關注這件事情要確保我們的民主體制不受這些影響\n\n31\n00:11:25,202 --> 00:11:42,500\n好這部分也是請我們國安單位就是確實去掌握是那如何預防如何能夠把這種假的這種影片能夠避免民眾誤導這我相信這很重要也可以確保我們國家的一個安全是好以上謝謝謝謝委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n9773\t37471\t好謝謝主席那我們今天各位列席的首長齁還有所有同仁大家早有請我們潘秘書長請潘秘書長我們今天要審查的是總統府還有國安會及國使館的相關單位的預算齁那也是本委員會難得有機會就各單位所推動的政務來就教於各位首長齁\n38351\t53112\t那首先我想就總統府所負責的這個幕僚業務結合近期時事來和秘書長做討論我想請教秘書長就是有關總統府在這個月初接連爆發出兩個國安洩密的案件包括注鎖在211\n54173\t69746\t引的這個憲兵翻拍機密以及負責總統違安的這個警官泄密的行程不管是共諜滲透或是叛國的行為都對國家和總統的這個安全造成極大的這個危害那特勤中心雖然隸屬國安局但是\n70407\t87928\t總統府侍衛長依法兼任副指揮官可能還涉及到總統府侍衛室之間的指揮權責的問題除了司法偵查之外對於我們這次國安洩密案府方是否也有後續的調查、懲處及缺失的檢討\n89848\t110586\t跟委員報告我謝謝委員關心我想對於洩密案的後續調查及懲處都在檢方我想我們基於偵查不公開那這個部分我們就不做說明那另外在偵查部分另外這個案程的過程是由我們在市會室的同仁自己發覺事情不對\n112607\t134364\t來舉報那舉報之後我們按照法定程序那目前的市會是也加強了這個很多的一個情教等等包括後續的防備措施那包括在針鋒處也移情那除了是憲兵以外警官以外呢那在都在地檢署裡面的處理那國安的部分我們會來強化管理那另外這個謝謝委員的詮詢剛剛這個這個總統總統府作為中共攻擊目標的部分\n141449\t156172\t我們從資料上看去年一整年總統府被網工駭客攻擊每一個月大概有700萬件700萬次那今年我們到11月底\n156893\t180086\t平均每個月最起碼有690幾萬次的這種網路攻擊及駭客的侵入這可以說是無所不用其極所以我們也特別提請大院能夠支持我們未來強化AI資安的防禦效力以及在整個資安設施設備的提升因為過去很多的資安設備包括\n181326\t203939\t從總統府周遭的這個監控系統已經用了十幾年了8年多了那它法定是6年就要淘汰了甚至很多的資安設備基本上是已經不復實入了所以我們目前這次提請大院總統府預算裡面把這些資安設施設備甚至在DDROS立法院所關注的這些\n204659\t212804\t公集每個月大概也差不多有大概一兩千個公集所以包括異地備處的安全資料符合321的原則甚至有不同的系統的儲存這個部分謝謝委員的垂尋關心這個部分我們也會來強化未來在整個國安立法的部分我們也敦請國安會、國安局未來在行政的提案裡面能夠也未來強化這部分的一個管理\n235059\t248986\t總統府事會室也已經做相當的一個處置未來會強化這個請教好謝謝秘書長接連的那個回覆了那因為後面我要垂詢的就是針對我們總統府這次也編列了1.32億的這個資安基礎環境創新升級的這個計畫那這個計畫剛剛\n256208\t274102\t聽我們秘書長已經大概有一個這個回答方向那我也希望說這個經費我們未來在這個執行的時候一定要落實以確保我們國家的這個安全不管是這個總統的維安還有相關的資安問題一定要做一個落實的一個維護\n275783\t302941\t委員我其實齁坦白講就是說我看齁他們每一年我今年在看那個預算齁都分了3年、4年、5年齁其實坦白講這種資安齁與時俱進啦如果大家能夠支持呢我會敦請我們總統府下一次呢一次到位齁把他整個改變齁不用每一年像切香腸一樣但因為預算預算額度的問題啦所以這個部分要拜託大家能夠支持好謝謝秘書長那秘書長您先請回好謝謝那我請吳秘書長\n306577\t324248\t來吳秘書長好秘書長午安吼另外一個問題我想請教我們國安會是關於接下來美國總統即將交接在這個政權過渡期間我們看到中國對台灣的這個動作依舊是變本加厲那秘書長這個月在\n325048\t351077\t這個哈德遜研究所演講的時候也表示那升高局勢緊張的這種行動在近幾個月非常的明顯中共政權持續利用各種藉口來建立新的這種常態派出這個軍機闖入台灣的防空識別區跨越台海中線發動大型的這種軍演來威嚇台灣那中共也確實在今年的5月還有10月分別進行聯合立見的這個A及B的這個軍事演習\n353978\t371277\t並且在賴總統上個月底出訪太平洋友邦後更有大批的共建包圍第一島鏈那雖然沒有宣布軍援但聯合立建這個2024C是否實質存在秘書長您怎麼觀察非常謝謝委員的這個詢問\n373539\t389302\t那的確是在12月8號9號左右我們開始在看到那個中國的軍艦在集結那等到10號11號的時候看到他們也宣布那個在他們沿岸有一個那個航空的保留區\n390243\t409085\t那我們看到他們所做的這個演訊的確是我所親身看過的最大的這個演訊我從2016年開始接受那個公安部的這些資訊那從來沒有看過這麼大的海上兵力的集結而且這一次的這個兵力的集結是包括北部戰區東部戰區和南部戰區\n411007\t438463\t那他所包圍的這個地區包括東海、台海、南海還有在西太平洋地區那看起來第一島鏈的國家都受到影響了那也因為這樣子的關係我們跟那個一些理念相近國家的這個夥伴也都做了非常緊密的這個協調希望能夠了解中國的這個動機第一個就是說他們的這個規模我們是沒有看過的非常龐大的規模\n439443\t467802\t那這個規模是需要長時間的準備至少至少需要兩個時間兩個月的這個時間來做準備那第三個是在冬季通常他們的那個全軍戰略演習結束之後通常不再做大規模的演習可是他們在冬季也呈現出他們這個演習的這個成果所以在這種很複雜的這個狀況之下我們的確是看到他們大規模的動員的演訓那這個看起來就像是一次演習\n468542\t476468\t那如果我們回頭過去看10月的那個2022的演習他們的空軍是有史以來最大規模的151架次\n479557\t508048\t那這一次的海軍那個所呈現的這個燒刺以及他動員的這個規模的確是我們看過所最大的一個規模所以這次的演習不管他們有沒有這個演習的名稱這個就是一個他們的海上大規模的演訓好這我們最主要我們要預防的就是未來像這種軍演是不是中共他就是在卸防我們國人對於這種軍演未來習慣之後大家民眾會產生無感\n509629\t522809\t對,所以這個部分要請我們國安單位一定要這個緊密的這個監控我們都會緊密的那也要持續的提醒民眾是,那也跟委員講一下就是說我們擔心的之前擔心的是他們有眼轉戰\n524691\t544196\t就是演習然後就開始攻打那這個是我們預防的可是他這一次是演訓那以前我們也擔心說由訓轉演由演轉戰可是現在看起來或許他們有這個能力由訓直接就轉戰所以我們的國安單位包括我們的國防部都在緊盯這個事情我們會很小心處理\n544616\t551658\t好,這部分請秘書長再持續觀察對於中共發動這種軍演經常伴隨的藉口接下來這個國際焦點又會在這個美國總統交接那假使明年這個1月20日我們我國的這個參訪團跟這個川普總統就職典禮的時候如果有這種高層的接觸的這種交流\n566323\t593143\t是不是又會挑動中共的一個敏感神經進一步採取軍事行動來恫嚇我們台灣有沒有可能我認為是不會啦那以前我也參加過美國總統的就職是在2005年那時候我是陸委會的主委那時候的狀況就是說這種不是說在非常進入到那個核心區的一個參加\n594884\t623723\t所以那個去參與的這個狀況可能不是像我們去邦交國的這種就職典禮所以在這種狀況之下的話我相信中國那邊的反應應該是不會很劇烈才對好另外一個問題我想就叫秘書長就是我們這幾天黨團的柯總召還有王逸川委員都遭到這個抖音上面這個造假身為影片的這個變造加以散播不死的這種言論\n624503\t651828\t那一是來自這個境外的這種深圍影片是否有攻擊特定政治人物的一個趨勢您認為我們是有看到那個深圍這個情況的這種升高那有關於這種狀況我們國安單位都在關注當中那如果有的話我們會適時提醒那委員剛剛也提到那個抖音或者是TikTok那中國透過這個抖音\n653409\t667928\t去那個利用他的algorithm就是計算的這個方式而且會那個去擷取那個個人的資料個人的喜好等等的那這些對國安來講都有可能有疑慮那針對這些事情我們也都在討論當中\n669190\t684662\t那很多其他的國家針對那個抖音或者是說抖音上面可能會去呈現的是這種假影音啊或者是說身為的這種影片等等的那我們的相關單位會持續來關注這件事情要確保我們的民主體制不受這些影響\n685202\t702500\t好這部分也是請我們國安單位就是確實去掌握是那如何預防如何能夠把這種假的這種影片能夠避免民眾誤導這我相信這很重要也可以確保我們國家的一個安全是好以上謝謝謝謝委員\n","txt":"好謝謝主席那我們今天各位列席的首長齁還有所有同仁大家早有請我們潘秘書長請潘秘書長我們今天要審查的是總統府還有國安會及國使館的相關單位的預算齁那也是本委員會難得有機會就各單位所推動的政務來就教於各位首長齁\n那首先我想就總統府所負責的這個幕僚業務結合近期時事來和秘書長做討論我想請教秘書長就是有關總統府在這個月初接連爆發出兩個國安洩密的案件包括注鎖在211\n引的這個憲兵翻拍機密以及負責總統違安的這個警官泄密的行程不管是共諜滲透或是叛國的行為都對國家和總統的這個安全造成極大的這個危害那特勤中心雖然隸屬國安局但是\n總統府侍衛長依法兼任副指揮官可能還涉及到總統府侍衛室之間的指揮權責的問題除了司法偵查之外對於我們這次國安洩密案府方是否也有後續的調查、懲處及缺失的檢討\n跟委員報告我謝謝委員關心我想對於洩密案的後續調查及懲處都在檢方我想我們基於偵查不公開那這個部分我們就不做說明那另外在偵查部分另外這個案程的過程是由我們在市會室的同仁自己發覺事情不對\n來舉報那舉報之後我們按照法定程序那目前的市會是也加強了這個很多的一個情教等等包括後續的防備措施那包括在針鋒處也移情那除了是憲兵以外警官以外呢那在都在地檢署裡面的處理那國安的部分我們會來強化管理那另外這個謝謝委員的詮詢剛剛這個這個總統總統府作為中共攻擊目標的部分\n我們從資料上看去年一整年總統府被網工駭客攻擊每一個月大概有700萬件700萬次那今年我們到11月底\n平均每個月最起碼有690幾萬次的這種網路攻擊及駭客的侵入這可以說是無所不用其極所以我們也特別提請大院能夠支持我們未來強化AI資安的防禦效力以及在整個資安設施設備的提升因為過去很多的資安設備包括\n從總統府周遭的這個監控系統已經用了十幾年了8年多了那它法定是6年就要淘汰了甚至很多的資安設備基本上是已經不復實入了所以我們目前這次提請大院總統府預算裡面把這些資安設施設備甚至在DDROS立法院所關注的這些\n公集每個月大概也差不多有大概一兩千個公集所以包括異地備處的安全資料符合321的原則甚至有不同的系統的儲存這個部分謝謝委員的垂尋關心這個部分我們也會來強化未來在整個國安立法的部分我們也敦請國安會、國安局未來在行政的提案裡面能夠也未來強化這部分的一個管理\n總統府事會室也已經做相當的一個處置未來會強化這個請教好謝謝秘書長接連的那個回覆了那因為後面我要垂詢的就是針對我們總統府這次也編列了1.32億的這個資安基礎環境創新升級的這個計畫那這個計畫剛剛\n聽我們秘書長已經大概有一個這個回答方向那我也希望說這個經費我們未來在這個執行的時候一定要落實以確保我們國家的這個安全不管是這個總統的維安還有相關的資安問題一定要做一個落實的一個維護\n委員我其實齁坦白講就是說我看齁他們每一年我今年在看那個預算齁都分了3年、4年、5年齁其實坦白講這種資安齁與時俱進啦如果大家能夠支持呢我會敦請我們總統府下一次呢一次到位齁把他整個改變齁不用每一年像切香腸一樣但因為預算預算額度的問題啦所以這個部分要拜託大家能夠支持好謝謝秘書長那秘書長您先請回好謝謝那我請吳秘書長\n來吳秘書長好秘書長午安吼另外一個問題我想請教我們國安會是關於接下來美國總統即將交接在這個政權過渡期間我們看到中國對台灣的這個動作依舊是變本加厲那秘書長這個月在\n這個哈德遜研究所演講的時候也表示那升高局勢緊張的這種行動在近幾個月非常的明顯中共政權持續利用各種藉口來建立新的這種常態派出這個軍機闖入台灣的防空識別區跨越台海中線發動大型的這種軍演來威嚇台灣那中共也確實在今年的5月還有10月分別進行聯合立見的這個A及B的這個軍事演習\n並且在賴總統上個月底出訪太平洋友邦後更有大批的共建包圍第一島鏈那雖然沒有宣布軍援但聯合立建這個2024C是否實質存在秘書長您怎麼觀察非常謝謝委員的這個詢問\n那的確是在12月8號9號左右我們開始在看到那個中國的軍艦在集結那等到10號11號的時候看到他們也宣布那個在他們沿岸有一個那個航空的保留區\n那我們看到他們所做的這個演訊的確是我所親身看過的最大的這個演訊我從2016年開始接受那個公安部的這些資訊那從來沒有看過這麼大的海上兵力的集結而且這一次的這個兵力的集結是包括北部戰區東部戰區和南部戰區\n那他所包圍的這個地區包括東海、台海、南海還有在西太平洋地區那看起來第一島鏈的國家都受到影響了那也因為這樣子的關係我們跟那個一些理念相近國家的這個夥伴也都做了非常緊密的這個協調希望能夠了解中國的這個動機第一個就是說他們的這個規模我們是沒有看過的非常龐大的規模\n那這個規模是需要長時間的準備至少至少需要兩個時間兩個月的這個時間來做準備那第三個是在冬季通常他們的那個全軍戰略演習結束之後通常不再做大規模的演習可是他們在冬季也呈現出他們這個演習的這個成果所以在這種很複雜的這個狀況之下我們的確是看到他們大規模的動員的演訓那這個看起來就像是一次演習\n那如果我們回頭過去看10月的那個2022的演習他們的空軍是有史以來最大規模的151架次\n那這一次的海軍那個所呈現的這個燒刺以及他動員的這個規模的確是我們看過所最大的一個規模所以這次的演習不管他們有沒有這個演習的名稱這個就是一個他們的海上大規模的演訓好這我們最主要我們要預防的就是未來像這種軍演是不是中共他就是在卸防我們國人對於這種軍演未來習慣之後大家民眾會產生無感\n對,所以這個部分要請我們國安單位一定要這個緊密的這個監控我們都會緊密的那也要持續的提醒民眾是,那也跟委員講一下就是說我們擔心的之前擔心的是他們有眼轉戰\n就是演習然後就開始攻打那這個是我們預防的可是他這一次是演訓那以前我們也擔心說由訓轉演由演轉戰可是現在看起來或許他們有這個能力由訓直接就轉戰所以我們的國安單位包括我們的國防部都在緊盯這個事情我們會很小心處理\n好,這部分請秘書長再持續觀察對於中共發動這種軍演經常伴隨的藉口接下來這個國際焦點又會在這個美國總統交接那假使明年這個1月20日我們我國的這個參訪團跟這個川普總統就職典禮的時候如果有這種高層的接觸的這種交流\n是不是又會挑動中共的一個敏感神經進一步採取軍事行動來恫嚇我們台灣有沒有可能我認為是不會啦那以前我也參加過美國總統的就職是在2005年那時候我是陸委會的主委那時候的狀況就是說這種不是說在非常進入到那個核心區的一個參加\n所以那個去參與的這個狀況可能不是像我們去邦交國的這種就職典禮所以在這種狀況之下的話我相信中國那邊的反應應該是不會很劇烈才對好另外一個問題我想就叫秘書長就是我們這幾天黨團的柯總召還有王逸川委員都遭到這個抖音上面這個造假身為影片的這個變造加以散播不死的這種言論\n那一是來自這個境外的這種深圍影片是否有攻擊特定政治人物的一個趨勢您認為我們是有看到那個深圍這個情況的這種升高那有關於這種狀況我們國安單位都在關注當中那如果有的話我們會適時提醒那委員剛剛也提到那個抖音或者是TikTok那中國透過這個抖音\n去那個利用他的algorithm就是計算的這個方式而且會那個去擷取那個個人的資料個人的喜好等等的那這些對國安來講都有可能有疑慮那針對這些事情我們也都在討論當中\n那很多其他的國家針對那個抖音或者是說抖音上面可能會去呈現的是這種假影音啊或者是說身為的這種影片等等的那我們的相關單位會持續來關注這件事情要確保我們的民主體制不受這些影響\n好這部分也是請我們國安單位就是確實去掌握是那如何預防如何能夠把這種假的這種影片能夠避免民眾誤導這我相信這很重要也可以確保我們國家的一個安全是好以上謝謝謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:09.773 --> 00:37.471\n好謝謝主席那我們今天各位列席的首長齁還有所有同仁大家早有請我們潘秘書長請潘秘書長我們今天要審查的是總統府還有國安會及國使館的相關單位的預算齁那也是本委員會難得有機會就各單位所推動的政務來就教於各位首長齁\n\n00:38.351 --> 00:53.112\n那首先我想就總統府所負責的這個幕僚業務結合近期時事來和秘書長做討論我想請教秘書長就是有關總統府在這個月初接連爆發出兩個國安洩密的案件包括注鎖在211\n\n00:54.173 --> 01:09.746\n引的這個憲兵翻拍機密以及負責總統違安的這個警官泄密的行程不管是共諜滲透或是叛國的行為都對國家和總統的這個安全造成極大的這個危害那特勤中心雖然隸屬國安局但是\n\n01:10.407 --> 01:27.928\n總統府侍衛長依法兼任副指揮官可能還涉及到總統府侍衛室之間的指揮權責的問題除了司法偵查之外對於我們這次國安洩密案府方是否也有後續的調查、懲處及缺失的檢討\n\n01:29.848 --> 01:50.586\n跟委員報告我謝謝委員關心我想對於洩密案的後續調查及懲處都在檢方我想我們基於偵查不公開那這個部分我們就不做說明那另外在偵查部分另外這個案程的過程是由我們在市會室的同仁自己發覺事情不對\n\n01:52.607 --> 02:14.364\n來舉報那舉報之後我們按照法定程序那目前的市會是也加強了這個很多的一個情教等等包括後續的防備措施那包括在針鋒處也移情那除了是憲兵以外警官以外呢那在都在地檢署裡面的處理那國安的部分我們會來強化管理那另外這個謝謝委員的詮詢剛剛這個這個總統總統府作為中共攻擊目標的部分\n\n02:21.449 --> 02:36.172\n我們從資料上看去年一整年總統府被網工駭客攻擊每一個月大概有700萬件700萬次那今年我們到11月底\n\n02:36.893 --> 03:00.086\n平均每個月最起碼有690幾萬次的這種網路攻擊及駭客的侵入這可以說是無所不用其極所以我們也特別提請大院能夠支持我們未來強化AI資安的防禦效力以及在整個資安設施設備的提升因為過去很多的資安設備包括\n\n03:01.326 --> 03:23.939\n從總統府周遭的這個監控系統已經用了十幾年了8年多了那它法定是6年就要淘汰了甚至很多的資安設備基本上是已經不復實入了所以我們目前這次提請大院總統府預算裡面把這些資安設施設備甚至在DDROS立法院所關注的這些\n\n03:24.659 --> 03:32.804\n公集每個月大概也差不多有大概一兩千個公集所以包括異地備處的安全資料符合321的原則甚至有不同的系統的儲存這個部分謝謝委員的垂尋關心這個部分我們也會來強化未來在整個國安立法的部分我們也敦請國安會、國安局未來在行政的提案裡面能夠也未來強化這部分的一個管理\n\n03:55.059 --> 04:08.986\n總統府事會室也已經做相當的一個處置未來會強化這個請教好謝謝秘書長接連的那個回覆了那因為後面我要垂詢的就是針對我們總統府這次也編列了1.32億的這個資安基礎環境創新升級的這個計畫那這個計畫剛剛\n\n04:16.208 --> 04:34.102\n聽我們秘書長已經大概有一個這個回答方向那我也希望說這個經費我們未來在這個執行的時候一定要落實以確保我們國家的這個安全不管是這個總統的維安還有相關的資安問題一定要做一個落實的一個維護\n\n04:35.783 --> 05:02.941\n委員我其實齁坦白講就是說我看齁他們每一年我今年在看那個預算齁都分了3年、4年、5年齁其實坦白講這種資安齁與時俱進啦如果大家能夠支持呢我會敦請我們總統府下一次呢一次到位齁把他整個改變齁不用每一年像切香腸一樣但因為預算預算額度的問題啦所以這個部分要拜託大家能夠支持好謝謝秘書長那秘書長您先請回好謝謝那我請吳秘書長\n\n05:06.577 --> 05:24.248\n來吳秘書長好秘書長午安吼另外一個問題我想請教我們國安會是關於接下來美國總統即將交接在這個政權過渡期間我們看到中國對台灣的這個動作依舊是變本加厲那秘書長這個月在\n\n05:25.048 --> 05:51.077\n這個哈德遜研究所演講的時候也表示那升高局勢緊張的這種行動在近幾個月非常的明顯中共政權持續利用各種藉口來建立新的這種常態派出這個軍機闖入台灣的防空識別區跨越台海中線發動大型的這種軍演來威嚇台灣那中共也確實在今年的5月還有10月分別進行聯合立見的這個A及B的這個軍事演習\n\n05:53.978 --> 06:11.277\n並且在賴總統上個月底出訪太平洋友邦後更有大批的共建包圍第一島鏈那雖然沒有宣布軍援但聯合立建這個2024C是否實質存在秘書長您怎麼觀察非常謝謝委員的這個詢問\n\n06:13.539 --> 06:29.302\n那的確是在12月8號9號左右我們開始在看到那個中國的軍艦在集結那等到10號11號的時候看到他們也宣布那個在他們沿岸有一個那個航空的保留區\n\n06:30.243 --> 06:49.085\n那我們看到他們所做的這個演訊的確是我所親身看過的最大的這個演訊我從2016年開始接受那個公安部的這些資訊那從來沒有看過這麼大的海上兵力的集結而且這一次的這個兵力的集結是包括北部戰區東部戰區和南部戰區\n\n06:51.007 --> 07:18.463\n那他所包圍的這個地區包括東海、台海、南海還有在西太平洋地區那看起來第一島鏈的國家都受到影響了那也因為這樣子的關係我們跟那個一些理念相近國家的這個夥伴也都做了非常緊密的這個協調希望能夠了解中國的這個動機第一個就是說他們的這個規模我們是沒有看過的非常龐大的規模\n\n07:19.443 --> 07:47.802\n那這個規模是需要長時間的準備至少至少需要兩個時間兩個月的這個時間來做準備那第三個是在冬季通常他們的那個全軍戰略演習結束之後通常不再做大規模的演習可是他們在冬季也呈現出他們這個演習的這個成果所以在這種很複雜的這個狀況之下我們的確是看到他們大規模的動員的演訓那這個看起來就像是一次演習\n\n07:48.542 --> 07:56.468\n那如果我們回頭過去看10月的那個2022的演習他們的空軍是有史以來最大規模的151架次\n\n07:59.557 --> 08:28.048\n那這一次的海軍那個所呈現的這個燒刺以及他動員的這個規模的確是我們看過所最大的一個規模所以這次的演習不管他們有沒有這個演習的名稱這個就是一個他們的海上大規模的演訓好這我們最主要我們要預防的就是未來像這種軍演是不是中共他就是在卸防我們國人對於這種軍演未來習慣之後大家民眾會產生無感\n\n08:29.629 --> 08:42.809\n對,所以這個部分要請我們國安單位一定要這個緊密的這個監控我們都會緊密的那也要持續的提醒民眾是,那也跟委員講一下就是說我們擔心的之前擔心的是他們有眼轉戰\n\n08:44.691 --> 09:04.196\n就是演習然後就開始攻打那這個是我們預防的可是他這一次是演訓那以前我們也擔心說由訓轉演由演轉戰可是現在看起來或許他們有這個能力由訓直接就轉戰所以我們的國安單位包括我們的國防部都在緊盯這個事情我們會很小心處理\n\n09:04.616 --> 09:11.658\n好,這部分請秘書長再持續觀察對於中共發動這種軍演經常伴隨的藉口接下來這個國際焦點又會在這個美國總統交接那假使明年這個1月20日我們我國的這個參訪團跟這個川普總統就職典禮的時候如果有這種高層的接觸的這種交流\n\n09:26.323 --> 09:53.143\n是不是又會挑動中共的一個敏感神經進一步採取軍事行動來恫嚇我們台灣有沒有可能我認為是不會啦那以前我也參加過美國總統的就職是在2005年那時候我是陸委會的主委那時候的狀況就是說這種不是說在非常進入到那個核心區的一個參加\n\n09:54.884 --> 10:23.723\n所以那個去參與的這個狀況可能不是像我們去邦交國的這種就職典禮所以在這種狀況之下的話我相信中國那邊的反應應該是不會很劇烈才對好另外一個問題我想就叫秘書長就是我們這幾天黨團的柯總召還有王逸川委員都遭到這個抖音上面這個造假身為影片的這個變造加以散播不死的這種言論\n\n10:24.503 --> 10:51.828\n那一是來自這個境外的這種深圍影片是否有攻擊特定政治人物的一個趨勢您認為我們是有看到那個深圍這個情況的這種升高那有關於這種狀況我們國安單位都在關注當中那如果有的話我們會適時提醒那委員剛剛也提到那個抖音或者是TikTok那中國透過這個抖音\n\n10:53.409 --> 11:07.928\n去那個利用他的algorithm就是計算的這個方式而且會那個去擷取那個個人的資料個人的喜好等等的那這些對國安來講都有可能有疑慮那針對這些事情我們也都在討論當中\n\n11:09.190 --> 11:24.662\n那很多其他的國家針對那個抖音或者是說抖音上面可能會去呈現的是這種假影音啊或者是說身為的這種影片等等的那我們的相關單位會持續來關注這件事情要確保我們的民主體制不受這些影響\n\n11:25.202 --> 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風處移請，除了憲兵、警方以外，都在地檢署裡面處理，國安的部分，我們會來強化管理。","此外，謝謝委員的垂詢，對於總統府作為中共攻擊目標的部分，我們從資料上看來，去年一整年總統府被網攻、駭客攻擊，每一個月大概有700萬次，今年到11月底，平均每個月最起碼有六百九十幾萬次的網路攻擊及駭客侵入，這可以說是無所不用其極，所以我們也特別提請大院能夠支持我們未來強化AI資安的防禦效率，以及整個資安設施設備的提升，因為過去很多的資安設備，包括總統府周遭的監控系統已經用了八年多，法定是6年就要淘汰，甚至很多的資安設備基本上已經不復時日了，所以我們這次提請大院在總統府預算裡面把這些資安設施、設備，甚至在DDoS立法院所關注的這些攻擊，每個月也差不多有一、兩千個攻擊，包括異地備儲的安全資料，符合3-2-1的原則，甚至有不同系統的儲存，謝謝委員的垂詢與關心，這部分我們也會來強化。","未來在整個國安立法，我們也敦請國安會、國安局在行政院的提案裡面能夠來強化這部分的管理。總統府侍衛室也已經做相當的處置，未來也會強化勤教。"],["陳委員俊宇：好，謝謝秘書長接連的回復，後面我要垂詢的是針對總統府這次編列1.32億資安基礎環境創新升級的計畫，這個計畫剛剛聽秘書長的回答已經大概有一個方向，我也希望這個經費在未來執行時一定要落實，以確保我們國家的安全，不管是總統的維安還有相關的資安問題，一定要落實的維護。"],["潘秘書長孟安：委員，我坦白講，我看過他們每一年的預算，我今年看那個預算都分了三年、四年、五年，其實這種資安要與時俱進，如果大院能夠支持，我會敦請我們總統府下一次就一次到位，把它整個改變，不要每一年像切香腸一樣，因為預算額度的問題，所以這個部分要拜託大院能夠支持。"],["陳委員俊宇：謝謝秘書長，秘書長您先請回，我請吳秘書長。"],["主席：吳秘書長。"],["陳委員俊宇：秘書長午安。"],["吳秘書長釗燮：委員好。"],["陳委員俊宇：另外一個問題我想請教國安會，關於接下來美國總統即將交接，在政權過渡期間我們看到中國對臺灣的動作依舊是變本加厲，秘書長這個月在哈德遜研究所演講時也表示，升高局勢緊張的行動在近幾個月非常的明顯，中共政權持續利用各種藉口建立新的常態，派出軍機闖入臺灣的防空識別區，跨越臺海中線，發動大型軍演來威嚇臺灣，中共也確實在今年5月還有10月分別進行聯合利劍A及B的軍事演習，並且在賴總統上個月底出訪太平洋友邦後，更有大批的共艦包圍第一島鏈，雖然沒有宣布軍演，但聯合利劍2024C是否實質存在，秘書長您怎麼觀察？"],["吳秘書長釗燮：非常謝謝委員的詢問，我們的確是在12月8號、9號左右開始看到中國的軍艦在集結，等到10號、11號的時候看到他們宣布，在他們沿岸有一個航空保留區，我們看到他們所做的演訓，那的確是我所親身看過最大的演訓，我從2016年開始接受國防部的這些資訊，從來沒有看過這麼大的海上兵力集結，而且這一次的兵力集結是包括北部戰區、東部戰區和南部戰區，他們所包圍的地區包括東海、臺海、南海還有在西太平洋地區，看起來第一島鏈的國家都受到影響了，也因為這樣子的關係，我們跟一些理念相近國家的夥伴也都做了非常緊密的協調，希望能夠了解中國的動機。第一個，他們這樣的規模我們是沒有看過的，非常龐大的規模，這個規模是需要長時間的準備，至少需要兩個月的時間來做準備；第二個，通常他們在全軍戰略演習結束之後不再做大規模的演習，可是他們在冬季也呈現出他們的演習成果，所以在這種很複雜的狀況之下，我們的確是看到他們大規模的動員演訓，這看起來就像是一次演習。如果我們回頭過去看10月的2024B演習，他們的空軍是有史以來最大規模的，有151架次；這一次海軍所呈現的艘次以及動員的規模也的確是我們看過最大的規模，所以這次的演習，不管他們有沒有演習的名稱，這就是他們海上大規模的一個演訓。"],["陳委員俊宇：好，我們最主要要預防的就是這種軍演，是不是中共就是在卸防？我們國人未來對於這種軍演習慣之後，民眾會產生無感，所以這個部分要請我們國安單位一定要緊密的監控。"],["吳秘書長釗燮：我們都會緊密的來盯著這件事情。"],["陳委員俊宇：也要持續的提醒民眾。"],["吳秘書長釗燮：也跟委員講一下，我們之前擔心的是他們由演轉戰，就是演習，然後就開始攻打，這個是我們要預防的，可是它這一次是演訓，以前我們也擔心由訓轉演、由演轉戰，可是現在看起來，或許他們有這個能力由訓就直接轉戰，所以我們國安單位，包括我們的國防部都在緊盯這個事情，我們會很小心處理。"],["陳委員俊宇：這部分請秘書長再持續觀察。"],["吳秘書長釗燮：是，謝謝委員。"],["陳委員俊宇：對於中共發動這種軍演經常伴隨的藉口，接下來國際焦點又會在美國總統交接上，假使明年1月20號我國參訪團在川普總統就職典禮的時候，如果有這種高層的接觸、交流，是不是又會挑動中共的敏感神經，甚至進一步採取軍事行動來恫嚇我們臺灣，有沒有可能？"],["吳秘書長釗燮：我認為是不會啦！以前2005年我也參加過美國總統的就職，那時候我是陸委會的主委，那時候並不是一個非常進入到核心區的參加，所以去參與的狀況，可能不是像我們去邦交國參加就職典禮的那種，所以在這種狀況之下的話，我相信中國那邊的反應應該不會很劇烈。"],["陳委員俊宇：另外一個問題我想就教秘書長，這幾天我們黨團的柯總召還有王義川委員都遭到抖音上面造假、變造的深偽影片攻擊，加以散播不實的言論，疑似來自境外的這種深偽影片，是否有攻擊特定政治人物的一個趨勢，您認為呢？"],["吳秘書長釗燮：我們是有看到深偽這種情況的升高，有關於這種狀況，我們國安單位都在關注當中，如果有的話，我們會適時提醒，委員剛剛也提到抖音或者是TikTok，中國透過抖音，利用它的algorithm，就是它的計算方式，而且會去擷取個人的資料、個人的喜好等等，這些對國安來講，都可能有疑慮，針對這些事情，我們也都在討論當中，很多其他國家針對抖音，或者是抖音上面可能會去呈現的假影音或者是深偽的影片等等，我們的相關單位會持續來關注這件事情，以確保我們的民主體制不受這些的影響。"],["陳委員俊宇：好，這部分也請我們國安單位確實去掌握，如何預防、如何能夠把這種假的影片，避免誤導民眾，我相信這很重要，也可以確保我們國家的安全，以上，謝謝。"],["吳秘書長釗燮：是，謝謝委員。"],["主席：謝謝陳委員，謝謝吳秘書長，現在我們休息。","休息（11時13分）","繼續開會（11時25分）"],["主席（陳委員俊宇代）：我們繼續開會。","請同仁就座，下一位我們請羅明才委員，羅明才委員，羅明才委員不在。","我們繼續邀請鍾佳濱召委質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":228,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-36-22","speakers":["鍾佳濱","翁曉玲","羅智強","林思銘","沈發惠","謝龍介","莊瑞雄","吳思瑤","陳俊宇","黃國昌","洪孟楷","賴瑞隆","徐富癸"],"page_start":1,"meetingDate":["2024-12-25"],"gazette_id":"1141303","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1141303_00002"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會第22次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於總統府主管（不含中央研究院）收支部分；二、處理113\n年度中央政府總預算關於總統府預算凍結項目1案","agenda_id":"1141303_00001"}}}