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00:01:11,386\n這個部分,煙酒公司已經在考量是要有自釀酒商協會的名義來提出那他們提出以後就提出以這個名義來提出提出申請以後呢財政部就會按照我們的程序來做然後會同經濟部一起來做有關調查還有審議然後再來看核定是不是課徵,請消息部長謝謝\n\n5\n00:01:14,881 --> 00:01:43,583\n通過協會也好或透過臺灣菸酒公司要因為這個臺灣菸酒公司我想因為第一個是你們直屬的啦你們要直接處理會比較快啊因為臺灣菸酒公司佔國內的啤酒產量一年大概百分之九十幾趴所以他是最大宗也是最主要的一個生產商那他既然是剛好隸屬於財政部我們當然希望說這個進度能夠相對的加快那另外我想反請加調查一般來講耗時大概會有半年以上的時間嘛但是這段時間已經\n\n6\n00:01:45,084 --> 00:02:05,251\n發生的就是我現在提會提這事就是因為已經發生說我國的啤酒的產國產的這個啤酒市佔率已經降到了五成以下那在這段調查期間財政部會提出任何的這個處置方案比如說加徵進口稅以後的設置所配額限制等等的短期政策來處理還是就這樣子等他\n\n7\n00:02:05,967 --> 00:02:16,154\n對於申請案送進來以後我們會送到我們的稅率審議小組裡面來做開會那至於在這段期間可以有什麼要做我是不是可以請彭署長來說明\n\n8\n00:02:18,744 --> 00:02:25,130\n跟委員報告,我們有課這個臨時繁請銷稅的這個機制,就是提到關稅稅率委員會,委員認為說有課臨時繁請銷稅的必要的話,可能會決議做成這樣一個...好,好,署長,謝謝喔,跟部長說明啦,為什麼會這麼在意這個事情呢?因為啤酒這是不單只是喝酒問題而已,我想...\n\n9\n00:02:39,122 --> 00:02:48,750\n之前牛津學院有發布一個全球啤酒業的報告提到說一個啤酒的工作上下有創造29個工作機會在消費端有創造10個工作機會在這些啤酒產有產啤酒的國家裡面GDP大概可以佔到1%所以我想這個對整個產業是有很實質的影響\n\n10\n00:02:58,217 --> 00:02:58,237\n蘇貞昌議員\n\n11\n00:03:24,950 --> 00:03:48,455\n脈牙跟啤酒花的進口關稅還是非常高,還要7.5%所以這跟其他亞洲國家甚至跟中國大陸他們有政策補助來講的話我國的臺灣飲酒公司也好或其他本土釋量酒業者也好他的這個競爭的這個利基點就輸了嘛所以我再問一下關稅的部分因為你這個啤酒花跟脈牙我看國內目前來講是沒有相關農作物需要保護的那為什麼還要去課這個7.5%的關稅\n\n12\n00:03:52,461 --> 00:04:10,472\n關稅的部分當然第一個就除了財政的收入之外還有一個就是國內產業的一個影響程度這個部分我們關務署也在會跟那個產業主管機關再來做徵詢他們的意見好因為我們希望說這個還是要重視一下我們本土這個釀酒業者這個產業我們也希望我們的國產啤酒能夠來申請我們的優質酒類的認證那可以一起參與我們多元的行銷方式\n\n13\n00:04:17,176 --> 00:04:31,111\n好部長謝謝這個署長兩位請回部長我們繼續討論這個財政稅劃分法我想這兩天記者會上前兩天記者會我看到一個說法這個行政院說考慮退回從編總預算我想問一下部長這有可能發生嗎\n\n14\n00:04:32,765 --> 00:04:34,146\n行政院已經編了114年的預算送進大院來審議目前大院也在審議當中啊\n\n15\n00:04:47,901 --> 00:05:07,086\n明年的預算今年8月就全部送進來了應該理論上不存在從變的問題那再來我想討論要基於事實我們看到的媒體報導財政部提供的數字來講增加的稅這個增加如果增加按照目前的版本要增加的這個統籌分別款大概是3753億左右這個數字是嗎?是吧?\n\n16\n00:05:07,386 --> 00:05:30,120\n根據國民黨團那天提出的版本計算的預算大概是以114年的預算來算的話大概3153億元好那另外就是說對於有關這樣的一個中央釋出裁員的部分我們和主席總書正在盤整對中央施政的一個摯愛至於後續的相關救濟程序我們會再來做詳細的評估主席我要稍微來主席\n\n17\n00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:31,821\n委員吳琪銘等16人提案如經院會復議．則不予審查\n\n18\n00:05:49,276 --> 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--> 00:01.211\n國庫署陳署長、官務署彭署長\n\n00:13.297 --> 00:29.505\n委員好部長好部長剛剛你回應王世堅委員提到一個問題就是說一些國家的低價大量製造的這些貨物我想對台灣本土的一些產業會造成衝擊本席在11月18號那天其實也有提到關於啤酒傾銷的問題\n\n00:32.287 --> 00:44.448\n當事委希望說我們菸酒公司跟財政部要來商討說怎麼樣對這個中國製的低價啤酒來申請課徵返請銷稅的部分我不知道目前為止財政部有沒有什麼相關的進展\n\n00:46.246 --> 01:11.386\n這個部分,煙酒公司已經在考量是要有自釀酒商協會的名義來提出那他們提出以後就提出以這個名義來提出提出申請以後呢財政部就會按照我們的程序來做然後會同經濟部一起來做有關調查還有審議然後再來看核定是不是課徵,請消息部長謝謝\n\n01:14.881 --> 01:43.583\n通過協會也好或透過臺灣菸酒公司要因為這個臺灣菸酒公司我想因為第一個是你們直屬的啦你們要直接處理會比較快啊因為臺灣菸酒公司佔國內的啤酒產量一年大概百分之九十幾趴所以他是最大宗也是最主要的一個生產商那他既然是剛好隸屬於財政部我們當然希望說這個進度能夠相對的加快那另外我想反請加調查一般來講耗時大概會有半年以上的時間嘛但是這段時間已經\n\n01:45.084 --> 02:05.251\n發生的就是我現在提會提這事就是因為已經發生說我國的啤酒的產國產的這個啤酒市佔率已經降到了五成以下那在這段調查期間財政部會提出任何的這個處置方案比如說加徵進口稅以後的設置所配額限制等等的短期政策來處理還是就這樣子等他\n\n02:05.967 --> 02:16.154\n對於申請案送進來以後我們會送到我們的稅率審議小組裡面來做開會那至於在這段期間可以有什麼要做我是不是可以請彭署長來說明\n\n02:18.744 --> 02:25.130\n跟委員報告,我們有課這個臨時繁請銷稅的這個機制,就是提到關稅稅率委員會,委員認為說有課臨時繁請銷稅的必要的話,可能會決議做成這樣一個...好,好,署長,謝謝喔,跟部長說明啦,為什麼會這麼在意這個事情呢?因為啤酒這是不單只是喝酒問題而已,我想...\n\n02:39.122 --> 02:48.750\n之前牛津學院有發布一個全球啤酒業的報告提到說一個啤酒的工作上下有創造29個工作機會在消費端有創造10個工作機會在這些啤酒產有產啤酒的國家裡面GDP大概可以佔到1%所以我想這個對整個產業是有很實質的影響\n\n02:58.217 --> 02:58.237\n蘇貞昌議員\n\n03:24.950 --> 03:48.455\n脈牙跟啤酒花的進口關稅還是非常高,還要7.5%所以這跟其他亞洲國家甚至跟中國大陸他們有政策補助來講的話我國的臺灣飲酒公司也好或其他本土釋量酒業者也好他的這個競爭的這個利基點就輸了嘛所以我再問一下關稅的部分因為你這個啤酒花跟脈牙我看國內目前來講是沒有相關農作物需要保護的那為什麼還要去課這個7.5%的關稅\n\n03:52.461 --> 04:10.472\n關稅的部分當然第一個就除了財政的收入之外還有一個就是國內產業的一個影響程度這個部分我們關務署也在會跟那個產業主管機關再來做徵詢他們的意見好因為我們希望說這個還是要重視一下我們本土這個釀酒業者這個產業我們也希望我們的國產啤酒能夠來申請我們的優質酒類的認證那可以一起參與我們多元的行銷方式\n\n04:17.176 --> 04:31.111\n好部長謝謝這個署長兩位請回部長我們繼續討論這個財政稅劃分法我想這兩天記者會上前兩天記者會我看到一個說法這個行政院說考慮退回從編總預算我想問一下部長這有可能發生嗎\n\n04:32.765 --> 04:34.146\n行政院已經編了114年的預算送進大院來審議目前大院也在審議當中啊\n\n04:47.901 --> 05:07.086\n明年的預算今年8月就全部送進來了應該理論上不存在從變的問題那再來我想討論要基於事實我們看到的媒體報導財政部提供的數字來講增加的稅這個增加如果增加按照目前的版本要增加的這個統籌分別款大概是3753億左右這個數字是嗎?是吧?\n\n05:07.386 --> 05:30.120\n根據國民黨團那天提出的版本計算的預算大概是以114年的預算來算的話大概3153億元好那另外就是說對於有關這樣的一個中央釋出裁員的部分我們和主席總書正在盤整對中央施政的一個摯愛至於後續的相關救濟程序我們會再來做詳細的評估主席我要稍微來主席\n\n05:30.640 --> 05:31.821\n委員吳琪銘等16人提案如經院會復議．則不予審查\n\n05:49.276 --> 06:14.244\n如果一開始如果只有差這個所謂的分配到中央分配到地方的稅收只有增加3700多億結果你們現在各部會這樣子到處在講講講講已經超過這個數字我想這個數字這個討論就沒辦法聚焦所以要拜託我們財政部也要盡快的請各部會要求一下把這個數字算出來這樣才能夠我們才能夠進入實質的討論才不會在這種政治的語言上面來處理好不好部長\n\n06:15.302 --> 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