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00:01:06,180\n通常我們知道透過一些外交手段等等之類的,我們會想要阻止這件事情發生。那現在就是因為近期之內又有一個相關的案件,然後也是一樣陳姓女子在菲律賓發生的案件也被引渡到中國。那目前我們這一類事情的處理機制大概是如何?\n\n4\n00:01:11,107 --> 00:01:12,188\n韓國目前尚未作出如何處置的最終決定\n\n5\n00:01:30,963 --> 00:01:50,450\n在司法互助的請求上面因為本案在我國的檢察機關有立案但是目前尚未接到檢察機關向本部提出司法互助的請求以上狀況跟委員報告因為我現在比較擔心的就是說因為現在中國除了這一類跟詐騙有關的案件之外因為中國畢竟還是會有很多政治的理由比如說台獨22條什麼之類的\n\n6\n00:01:52,111 --> 00:01:52,531\n刑事司法互助條約案。\n\n7\n00:02:06,051 --> 00:02:32,127\n因為司法互助本質上它也是偵查作為的延伸所以我們基於法務行政的立場我們還是以這個檢察機關或是司法檢察機關它有這個做偵查的這個動作的請求的時候我們才會去啟動相關的機制那如果沒有的話其實是不會那所以如果說剛委員所提到的問題理論上應該比較像是這個外交部的這個權責並不是我們法務部去主動發動的部分這樣\n\n8\n00:02:34,609 --> 00:02:52,444\n因為這邊我有放一些法務部的資料就是說這個海峽兩岸共同打擊犯罪司法互助協議現在當然就是說我們台灣其實是很積極向中國在通報的但是反過來講他們常常是以讀不回他們的法治畢竟跟我們來講還是有一個很大程度的落差\n\n9\n00:02:53,004 --> 00:03:11,293\n我現在當然擔心的是兩個一個就是我們要求的他們不會做到但他們自己會去做一些有的沒的在其他國家的執法所以這兩個問題剛剛有講第二個我講的這個可能是外交部目前還是比較在著重的但第一個部分就是說我們去要求或者我們需要什麼東西在那邊是拿不到的這個狀況現在也是蠻嚴峻的\n\n10\n00:03:14,375 --> 00:03:39,408\n這個部分細節我等一下再請司長來描述但事實上兩岸司法共打互助協議並沒有中斷也沒有中止我們還是持續互相還是有很多的案件在做往來當然這個有點不對稱的狀況這個可能也是事實但是我還是請司長來跟我們報告一下現在狀況到底是如何\n\n11\n00:03:39,428 --> 00:03:42,290\n我看到司法院書面報告有問到有傳譯的需求、依相關規定、有同意。因為我們現在做這個事情,一定會有一些視訊等等之類的,同意變得很重要。\n\n12\n00:04:02,122 --> 00:04:23,039\n那我關於我們現在要討論的這個案件的同意我待會再問我想先比較general問的就是說我們現在選任同意相關的一些問題那我最主要是想問第二個就是我們現在有時候在翻譯的時候翻了證人的話或者說這一個法官問的問題但他有時候對於其他人講了什麼有時候並沒有辦法如實的一個掌握\n\n13\n00:04:23,699 --> 00:04:37,074\n我們現在對於通譯,現在它也不是,它並不是一個很,它就是一個,你看日費就是500多的車馬費,那個酬金其實也並不是那麼的高,但它其實是有很高程度的專業。所以我們現在在選任,就是說這些通譯,以及通譯現在在法庭上的這個作為,它有沒有辦法真的落實到\n\n14\n00:04:44,742 --> 00:05:05,539\n一般人能夠就是其他的人他們也不懂我們的語言但他也可以了解整體的狀況現在這整體的這個進行的方向是如何因為我覺得這一個我們整體進行的方向會影響到之後我們在簽了這些條約跟協定的時候我們畢竟開始會有視訊嘛我們會有更多其他的國家所以我們原本做的好不好一定會影響到後面這件事情\n\n15\n00:05:06,816 --> 00:05:31,811\n是,謝謝委員的關心那像關於這個同意的部分的話目前來講的話像我們法院的話會有一些是有一些特約同意在那這些特約同意他本身必須要語言能力達到中級以上的程度那如果說有的不見得是可以達到這個部分我們還會看他說有沒有在他們那個國家連續居住滿5年的這些相關證明還有甚至有大學或獨立學院的那些語文、翻譯系等這些如果還有這個資格的話這個部分我們都會一併審認\n\n16\n00:05:35,174 --> 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