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00:01:01,353\n對我國的司法體系、典調單位來說有很大的幫助。」但是我要特別問的事情是喔,部長,就您的掌握呢,在臺灣喔,就說在臺灣我們受到國外的這個詐騙,就是說有的是臺灣人在國外然後呢回來詐騙,然後有的是外國人在國外詐騙,這個最多的是在哪一個區域?部長,東南亞\n\n4\n00:01:04,775 --> 00:01:05,755\n三、審查行政院函請審議:「中華民國（臺灣）政府與吐瓦魯國政府刑事\n\n5\n00:01:25,475 --> 00:01:28,259\n因為柬埔寨是放在越南我們俠館嘛我請我們亞太司來說明說明一下柬埔寨的部分因為大家都很關心先前很多人他們被騙工作然後到柬埔寨去有的是知道自己要去做詐騙集團但是呢無論如何\n\n6\n00:01:42,338 --> 00:01:43,199\n司法及法制委員會函請審議。四、審查行政院函請審議\n\n7\n00:01:59,762 --> 00:02:25,544\n報告委員因為柬埔寨我們並沒有任何的代表處跟辦事處所以我們是由在越南的駐胡志明辦事處來監俠那我們那邊也有法務部派遣的人員駐外所以只要碰到這一類的情況都是由外交部跟法務部協同然後當地也有一些台商那麼透過各種不同的管道想辦法去營救我們受到詐騙\n\n8\n00:02:26,905 --> 00:02:53,367\n現在目前的情況是這樣,除了越南之外,也跟部長報告一下,泰國也有在協助這些柬埔寨的國人,泰國跟越南都有,可是幾乎都是請我們的台商幫忙。所以就是說除了台商之外,我覺得我們現在在越南有嘛,在泰國也有嘛,那我們應該要更積極地針對柬埔寨的部分,因為這個在柬埔寨來說的話呢,我們可以看到非常多的新聞,那都是這個,我們其實陸委會也有\n\n9\n00:02:54,469 --> 00:03:09,205\n呼籲要合作來調查跟中國大陸這邊來調查柬埔寨的這個情況然後包含柬埔寨的這個人口販運鏈那臺灣的公權力是沒有辦法去企及的這部分我也希望外交部能夠多加重視因為這個事關我國國人的人權\n\n10\n00:03:12,108 --> 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