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00:01:10,199\n而蔡英文執政的時候卻在106年12月修法,重新恢復到不得超過15%。雖然外交部有這樣任用的條例規定辦理,駐外的機構的館長、外的員額合計其實都並沒有超過法定的上限,但是我還是要想要請教部長一下,就是有關外交部圖例安插自己人的用財標準,像駐法代表的大使,\n\n4\n00:01:11,260 --> 00:01:28,886\n在經歷中都沒有外交或國際事務相關,還有現任駐美國公使銜副代表,同樣也沒有外交歷練和幕僚的經歷。而且,還像現在的駐德的代表謝智偉,還有現任的駐日代表李義祥,\n\n5\n00:01:30,186 --> 00:01:41,209\n這些都沒有受過外交公務的培訓的訓練那請問部長這些都是好人選嗎?還有外交部任用政務官是用什麼標準和原則?而且還有現在最近的荷蘭代表處主任調回禮賓師擔任師長這個職位選缺而且葡萄牙、西班牙還有我國駐外的單位的主管職現在也在空缺那請問部長為什麼到現在還欲缺不補?\n\n6\n00:01:56,812 --> 00:01:57,692\n函請審議。四、審查行政院函請審議。五、審查行政院函請審議。六、審查行政院函請審議。七、審查行政院函請審議。\n\n7\n00:02:19,801 --> 00:02:42,308\n就是管處的這些大使或代表是就是來自於多元的社會的一個背景特別是有一些專業我想這個對總和外交對臺灣要走出去除了傳統的外交關係以外我們也是要結合所有包括我們的經濟、文化各種國力\n\n8\n00:02:42,628 --> 00:02:43,609\n三、審查行政院函請審議\n\n9\n00:03:02,326 --> 00:03:26,462\n更大的一個權限但是當然臺灣有這樣一個比例的規定讓我們的外交系統可以多元化但是我現在還是想要請教部長一下就是像葡萄牙、西班牙這些到現在還在空缺而且現在外交同仁其實他們都是很認真堅持本分從基層開始為國家開始拚外交那是不是部長在用人方面為財事用是不是要讓一些專業的為主的來調動這些任職的考量呢?\n\n10\n00:03:31,144 --> 00:03:45,092\n對,像委員講的,這幾個地方都在作業中,會,應該最近期啊,就會...那有沒有確定人選呢?那部長可以公布一下嗎?有些在作業中了,嘿。所以還沒有嗎?因為這個是已經太久了啦。有內定啦。有內定喔?嘿。是部長內定的嗎?\n\n11\n00:03:50,302 --> 00:04:16,320\n當然這個要跟總統報告也要經過行政院的程序因為我是希望說不要老是都是用單純任用這些政黨就是的智庫人員還是希望讓那些專業的外交人員可以補足這個有啦像委員吼我們這些司處長很優秀很多都外派我只是不好意思請他們舉手不過劉永健吶我們公眾會我們發言人他明天就要啟程到波蘭\n\n12\n00:04:18,462 --> 00:04:24,007\n那接下來的話我有請法務部次長還有警政署副署長。那部長你也請留步一下。截至7月底我國和其他國已經簽訂司法互助的條約的國家,包含我們今天審查的簽署國總共有13個國簽署了司法互助的條約。\n\n13\n00:04:43,804 --> 00:04:48,509\n但是從105年蔡英文總統上任後不是就積極推行新南向政策嗎?但是本席我現在看了十三國中只有越南和菲律賓那請問外交部部長還有法務部的次長那其他新南向國家呢?是我們跟他們關係不好嗎?還是有沒有什麼中共的因素呢?而且現在詐騙我看現在詐騙非常的猖獗國人被騙到緬甸\n\n14\n00:05:07,748 --> 00:05:24,464\n泰國和柬埔寨這些地方,然後其實他們又再到那邊去詐騙其他外國人,影響了臺灣的國際的關係,尤其是這些地方,那我們是不是更需要要去跟他們簽一些司法互助呢?是不是要更努力呢?對,要更努力。\n\n15\n00:05:27,833 --> 00:05:53,300\n所以部長也是贊成說那我們就是要是新南向的政策然後要去跟他們多因為隨著我們跟新南向國家的來往這麼樣的頻密那不管是人或是經貿的關係那我們事實上除了外交部之外法務部、調查局或者是我們內政部、警政署其實也是都有派外那這樣最近幾個例子都\n\n16\n00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:55,820\n刑事司法互助條約案。四、審查行政院函請審議\n\n17\n00:06:24,330 --> 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