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00:02:03,555\n兩點開始開會我們什麼時候拿到版本呢?兩點二十因為這中間有一些原住民的條款我記得民進黨團還在繼續在那黨團討論我還跑來問我們一位原住民委員民進黨說你們這個到底討論出來了沒有所以什麼時候拿到版本?兩點二十表決兩點的時候開始再發版本\n\n6\n00:02:04,315 --> 00:02:24,465\n什麼叫偷襲式律法?什麼叫做不認真呢?國民黨團在開會都非常認真的在看任何的這個法案的修正我舉幾個例子什麼叫做不認真?我們那天在審財化法的時候卓榮泰院長明明說現行的法律是最好的版本是最好的版本結果在修正第二條的時候財富法第二條的時候\n\n7\n00:02:25,926 --> 00:02:46,091\n條文是不予修正!民進黨說反對阿!我說現行版本不是最好的版本嗎?你們為什麼都反對?你們有在開會嗎?明明看到前一天所有東西都在你的桌上王一雙上來講說沒有資料關心文書前一天就發了我覺得民進黨開會才是真正的不認真然後我要說說民進黨所謂的仔細是什麼?2017年這個保護、經濟保護法開始討論討論到2024年所謂民進黨討論的仔細是7年阿!\n\n8\n00:02:53,633 --> 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