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吳麗華委員請準備"}]}}},"gazette":{"lineno":353,"blocks":[["王委員正旭：（11時6分）主席、各位委員，還有全國的鄉親，大家好。今天我們在這邊討論一個非常嚴肅的議題，就是80歲以上的長者是不是不需要任何條件、不需要在取得巴氏量表的評估之下，就能夠順利請外勞移工來協助他們整體的照護？我們也知道進入到超高齡社會以後，家庭看護的需求真的會越來越增加。目前主要是以巴氏量表作為重要的考量。我們在臨床實務上也知道，在申請巴氏量表的時候，的確也碰到一些困難，不僅這些長者需要到現場接受評估，也有很多評估結果沒有達到標準，讓這些家庭有挫折感也非常無助。然而醫界對這項規定其實也叫苦連天，因為依照專業判斷，拒絕開立巴氏量表給他通過的話，可能引發醫病衝突，甚至造成身體的一些影響跟威脅。因此，我認為現行申請依據的確需要修改，可是重要的是要朝向多元的方式來進行，而不是用年齡當作唯一的依據，這樣才能夠更滿足民眾的需求。","我們今天在這邊討論這樣80歲的放寬標準，表面上看起來好像可以帶來便利，實際上還是有可能會引發其他問題。誠如剛剛林月琴委員所提到的，目前臺灣80歲以上的人口有91萬人，沒有申請看護移工的還有53萬人左右。如果以聘僱率10%到30%來推算，每一年要新增看護的人數可能會從5.3萬人增加到15萬9,000人左右，可是我們每一年能夠新進增聘的外籍看護只有1萬名左右，供需明顯失衡。另外，外籍看護移工如果具有選擇雇主權利的同時，相較於中重度失能者，照顧這些健康長者的工作當然會比較輕鬆，可能就會導致這些看護移工傾向選擇健康的長者。如果他們選擇的是健康長者，現在還有22萬7,000位中重度失能家庭，對他們的照顧需求衝擊是非常大的，事實上，他們這一群才是最需要請這些移工，還有其他的同仁一起來幫助的。剛剛也提到如果癌症二期的人康復性是非常高的，事實上不需要這些移工幫忙，所以我再次強調，我們是需要優化整個家庭看護移工的申請依據，而不是以年齡作為依據。謝謝大家！"],["主席：謝謝王正旭委員的發言。","接下來請蘇清泉委員發言。伍麗華委員，請準備。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":207,"meet_id":"院會-11-2-15","speakers":["韓國瑜","江啟臣","郭昱晴","范雲","莊瑞雄","王義川","鍾佳濱","洪孟楷","王鴻薇","楊瓊瓔","羅廷瑋"],"page_start":201,"meetingDate":["2024-12-31"],"gazette_id":"1140701","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1140701_00004"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期第15次會議紀錄","content":"討論事項\n公益揭弊者保護法─ 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