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00:01:10,665\n就是有一位南部醫院醫學中心的病人因為他找不到ICU的病床沒有辦法開刀所以一直輾轉的找各大醫院花了8個小時才動刀但是後來非常不幸的過世這件事情其實震撼了醫界也震撼了台灣\n\n4\n00:01:11,906 --> 00:01:26,387\n我想可能院長和部長都記得20年前台北市曾經發生邱小妹事件當時這個邱小妹她是受虐兒她就是在各大醫院的急診室變成人球\n\n5\n00:01:27,108 --> 00:01:42,415\n所以後來他一直到台中才收了這個病人當時包含當時的衛生署包含當時的醫界全面去檢討我們的制度發生了什麼樣的問題\n\n6\n00:01:43,752 --> 00:02:13,075\n沒想到20年後我們又看到了這樣的情景所以院長我知道你是受邀參加我們也看到很多照片那大家非常開心的吃烤肉但是當民眾受苦在急診室裡面等病床或者輾轉在路上找不到急診院沒有辦法開到的時候難免會讓大家覺得這是不是綠門酒肉臭路有病死骨\n\n7\n00:02:14,263 --> 00:02:42,011\n這樣的狀況我們絕對絕對絕對要再避免當然我也知道部長這邊立刻召開了會議宣布了相關的所謂的這個三大因應對策還有兩大中長程的改革可是一般的議界不認為在短期內可以會被解決那我想請問一下\n\n8\n00:02:43,331 --> 00:03:11,343\n部長除了這個比較屬於中長期或者因應對策之外有沒有一些可以緊急的方式立刻能夠解決從春節以來大家塞爆在急診室好像有如戰地甚至有人說急診他躺在地上這樣的一個情景有沒有機會有沒有可能在短期內可以得到紓解報告委員我想任何一個\n\n9\n00:03:13,517 --> 00:03:28,877\n病人因為有傷亡我們真的是會非常的難過部長願意為這個事件而道歉嗎我想我如果以這個個案的話因為他是\n\n10\n00:03:29,965 --> 00:03:57,250\n2月19號7點因為肚子痛所以到成大醫院成大醫院就急診團隊經過了診治以後判定他是因為部長這個狀況我們其實都從媒體報導很清楚所以我想請問部長這個事件我們政府該不該道歉兩件事情跟委員報告第一個容許我簡單的說明就是前一天的餐敘是\n\n11\n00:03:59,192 --> 00:04:13,049\n總統或是行政院在開議之前例行的所以那個參敘是總統是自掏腰包沒有問到公費但這個不代表我們對這個事情的不關心我從2月10號年後放假結束第一天我就跟衛部講\n\n12\n00:04:13,610 --> 00:04:37,672\n他們提出的那個兩三個禮拜才能紓解急診用篩情形我非常的在意不能這樣做到你不滿意嗎2月10號有交代2月19號發生這個漢字我剛才問部長院沒有到院長你要不要為這件事情而道歉好第二件事情是成大的那個案件我們精查起來他沒有轉轉好幾個醫院找不到他是由台南成大直接沒有錯還是找不到啊他還是\n\n13\n00:04:39,854 --> 00:05:04,714\n所以老師的時間關係老師講部長啊部長你們現在這個方式現在醫界根本都不認為你們能夠解決我就覺得很奇怪了為什麼要有一個醫院一個一個打我們打詐鬥儀表板我們各大醫院難道不能夠把他的急診病床他的ICU病床\n\n14\n00:05:06,435 --> 00:05:33,335\n直接的通報讓很多的醫院可以一目了然他可以知道他立刻可以送到哪一個醫院而不是一個一個打電話所以這個部分因為今天時間非常有限我希望你們的現實趕快的去解決所以我請教部長一個星期內可不可以解決現在急診室裡面的亂象苦民所苦\n\n15\n00:05:34,107 --> 00:05:52,755\n報告委員我們從2月8日2月13日還有昨天都是召集全國的急診還有大醫院的院長還有醫師公會都一起討論我們提出的這三個策略以及未來要做的事情一個禮拜內會不會解決吧你不要告訴我中長期了大家所決定的都是一樣的所以\n\n16\n00:05:53,215 --> 00:05:59,964\n我們會一起努力那我想從昨天來看我再下一個我直接再切入這一個事件還有包含已經比較舒緩了還有衛福部次長林靜儀次長直接在網路上去嗆醫生\n\n17\n00:06:11,678 --> 00:06:35,440\n院長說要謹言慎行那林靜怡這個次長她過去有很多的失言她過去很多政治性的失言但是這件事情她是直接去叫基層的醫生搞到醫生哀莫大於心死決定要離職所以院長除了要謹言慎行的話林靜怡次長該不該下台以事負責呢\n\n18\n00:06:36,441 --> 00:07:00,800\n當初我跟邱部長我們請林靜儀次長來是因為他的專業以及在立法院他也有相當豐富的經驗那這一次的他的失言我覺得是相當嚴重我請部長能夠對他面對的那位醫師要做出懲處嗎安慰那位醫師給他最多的關懷照顧表示歉意那我也希望邱部長能夠跟林次長未來在\n\n19\n00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:29,527\n內部的業務上的執行一定要比現在更加倍加倍的小心這完全沒有苦民所苦啦另外有件事情我要為這次的吹哨者請命因為這個事件就是我們剛談到那個成大醫院這個成大醫院的病人那他當然是有一個吹哨者一個護理師把這個事情曝光了所以我在這邊要請院長跟部長跟我承諾不會秋後算帳\n\n20\n00:07:30,763 --> 00:07:34,647\n絕對不會秋後算帳事實上我們現在已經有階幣者保護法如果秋後算帳事實上還會有違法的問題任何基於事實給予我們這種中心的建議或是批評我們都虛心的接受而且表示感謝\n\n21\n00:07:50,054 --> 00:08:17,091\n這一次這個急診的狀況事實上我們自己作為民代我們第一線都有感受為什麼呢大家都知道我們會有很多選民服務所以很多的選民會來拜託我昨天晚上還在處理就是在那邊等了四天在急診室裡等了四天也等不到病床我知道可能有人更久但是我覺得今天如果我們將心比心\n\n22\n00:08:18,292 --> 00:08:39,233\n將心比心到了急診室都完全等不到病床那種心情的焦急所以我剛才跟部長講其實我們緊急事件是有很多方式比如說像這樣子大家說地區醫院要負起責任來我們地區的衛生局這個事件高雄衛生局說不知道\n\n23\n00:08:40,995 --> 00:08:56,853\n如果我們有一些它並不是只有醫學中心可以處理的事實上我是建議不是你們自己關起門來一直在開會你們還要去結合各地區的衛生局對不對我剛才講你們也可以做一個儀表板\n\n24\n00:08:57,634 --> 00:09:14,187\n把醫學中心、地區醫院這些他的病床病人數通通集合起來然後讓所有的醫院在很短暫的時間裡面他可以知道他可以怎麼樣的去輸送病人這點非常重要\n\n25\n00:09:16,481 --> 00:09:35,460\n他們現在初步有統計的結果他們還有各醫院執行的狀況就是陳獨委員剛剛所建議的我們應變中心緊急救護中心它有四大急症台南成大這個個案剛好不是屬於這四大\n\n26\n00:09:38,988 --> 00:09:48,901\n你看他還不是急診早了8小時人死掉了院長啊這個事情喔這個事情要快速解決對不起因為我時間因為我還有很多要來好不好\n\n27\n00:09:51,004 --> 00:10:16,736\n昨天早上我要求第一個這個因為社會不解不了解我們用了什麼方式解決問題要讓社會了解第二個病人不安這不是社會解不解決連醫院都不知道這些問題怎麼解決你還要讓社會怎麼解決病人都躺在急診室裡面你要讓他知道你怎麼解決病人非常的不安一定要做好這些說明的工作讓醫院都知道吧再來人力不足我們要快速地來提升人力醫院竟然要一個個打電話我們現在是什麼時代啊他的系統完成了\n\n28\n00:10:20,097 --> 00:10:20,538\n請邱部長麻煩請NCC\n\n29\n00:10:49,708 --> 00:11:08,877\n好我們代理主委院長在今年農曆春節一結束有一件事情也引發極大民眾的抗議跟憤怒就是NCC突然的公告就是攜帶包含藍牙跟Wi-Fi電子傳輸的相關的產品設備要課一件750塊錢的一個檢驗費\n\n30\n00:11:16,961 --> 00:11:31,495\n這個事情後來鬧到沸沸揚揚引起重大的民怨最後這個NCC現在的狀況是叫做所謂的暫緩只是暫緩收取而已\n\n31\n00:11:32,276 --> 00:11:53,917\n以現在來講也就是說你不管是輸入或輸出都要在Easyway的這個NCC的一個切結書你要先填寫切結書而且這個切結書你一定要說同意喔同意檢驗你不同意還送不出去然後呢告訴你以後還是會收好所以\n\n32\n00:11:55,910 --> 00:12:09,846\n這個引起重大民怨的事件到現在為止好像你以為消聲匿跡了嗎不是啊NCC只不過是緩兵之計說暫緩收取我們還不曉得什麼時候要收取\n\n33\n00:12:10,467 --> 00:12:33,345\n那未來收取要多少錢通通不知道所以所有的消費者還是覺得非常的忐忑而且這件事情讓大家覺得政府搶錢搶得太過分了所以院長我相信你們的輿情蒐集一定有這個議題院長現在你同意NCC用暫緩收取的方式來做緩兵之計嗎\n\n34\n00:12:36,394 --> 00:13:04,922\n年後我們也發現這個問題所以當天跟NCC通過這個溝通之後因為到底是一個獨立機關由他們來了解社會的反應以及大家希望怎麼樣處置所以當天他們就做下來了我們現在是支持NCC做這樣的決定收還是不收你現在不過緩兵之際啊大家不知道你收不收收還是不收跟委員報告這個案子我們經過依歸廢法相關規定含包財政部取得這個停征的\n\n35\n00:13:05,509 --> 00:13:24,729\n同意他尊重我們的決議所以目前就是沒有不再收取費用所以確定不收對不對我們現在就不再收取費用你現在不收取你未來不收取現在只是暫緩喔你告訴我你的公文上只是暫緩喔所以你是現在不收取未來可能收取嗎\n\n36\n00:13:25,848 --> 00:13:47,941\n我們函報財政部之前是暫緩收取那函報財政部之後財政部的答覆是尊重我們停徵你還是沒有回答問題好我來問院長這事情他這樣給我呼嚨啊你再繼續給我呼嚨吧是決定暫緩可是函請財政部說明之後財政部尊重NCC所以現在NCC的決定是就停徵了\n\n37\n00:13:48,881 --> 00:13:57,805\n所以停針院長講的喔我們這邊是有記錄是不是這樣尊重這個獨立機關所以按照你的意思就是不收了嘛對不對是\n\n38\n00:14:00,493 --> 00:14:26,415\n不收了那請NCC那今天當然這個是有記錄的請NCC用一個新聞稿的方式或文字的方式來告知消費者因為我們到現在還有很多的消費者在詢問我們這個議題覺得說會不會以後還要收因為你都同意他檢驗然後審查金額待確認之後再通知你來繳這個審查費大家很害怕\n\n39\n00:14:27,597 --> 00:14:40,031\n他寫不同意又送不出去同意他不曉得他什麼時候要被charge這個費用所以現在不收請用文字用新聞稿的方式來告知所有的消費者可不可以\n\n40\n00:14:41,208 --> 00:15:09,413\n好可以好謝謝我先報告我一句話現在他的決定是要我們尊重獨立機關NCC但是這個原意是要阻止一些非法的網購我這個就是要問消費者對以色列法院裡面的這個建議所以還是要有防弊的措施讓他們去研議防弊的措施但是不以收費來當作一個期碼的方式好不好你要防治這些防弊你們就去做防弊但是這個收費既然這個一言既出嘛是嘛\n\n41\n00:15:09,673 --> 00:15:21,025\n那個司馬南錐好來那個時間暫停一下請那個代理主委先回先回座那我現在接著請我們經濟部長郭部長麻煩請經濟部備選好\n\n42\n00:15:30,888 --> 00:15:54,506\n院長部長這個是一個非常重大的議題從川普總統上台之後那麼他立刻啟動了全球的關稅站院長知道台灣在美國的貿易順差就是是美國的貿易順差的國家我們排第幾名您知道嗎\n\n43\n00:15:57,968 --> 00:16:24,537\n第六名然後去年我們對美貿易順差的成績非常好按照美國商務部的統計大概是740億將近740億美元我們本來也很沾沾自喜因為我們本來就希望我們能降低對中國大陸市場的依賴我們成功的開拓了美國市場可是美國人不高興啊\n\n44\n00:16:25,575 --> 00:16:46,714\n美國人非常不高興,你點頭嘛,同意啊美國很不高興,所以現在只要你是在美國貿易宣傳國前幾名的大家每一個都屁屁剉,瑟瑟發抖所以呢,最近包含泰國的商務部長趕快跑到美國去\n\n45\n00:16:47,762 --> 00:17:07,681\n然後韓國的這些企業大老闆也跑到美國去趕快去書城啊說怎麼辦呢我要怎麼做美國你才不要來報復我懲罰我啊很重要那麼我們呢也派了我們的次長經濟部的次長江文若江次長美女次長\n\n46\n00:17:08,899 --> 00:17:27,111\n但是問題是院長這麼重大的事情我們的美女次長見到了什麼樣的成績不管是美國商務部或者貿易代表署見到什麼成績您知道嗎雙方的貿易平衡這個是國際間往來一個對等相當重要的原則所以我們並\n\n47\n00:17:27,927 --> 00:17:50,551\n不全然沾沾自喜我們對美國的貿易順差我們希望雙方能夠平衡但是就產業面來講我們是一個現在產業供應鏈重要的角色所以多輸出一些高科技產品這也是必然的現象我想這個經過理解之後我們再從其他的方面來平衡這個貿易那麼經濟部江文若次長去到美國他一定有他的安排跟管道\n\n48\n00:17:50,891 --> 00:18:13,484\n那見到誰您知道嗎?他有跟您報告嗎?或者部長有跟您報告嗎?或者我們的副院長有跟您報告嗎?因為副院長每個禮拜都在主持相關的會議啊到底院長知不知道?姜文若到底見到誰?姜文若次長去之前我當然知道去之後不曉得見到誰但是我們通過了解整個過程我要必須講這就是一個警訊\n\n49\n00:18:19,068 --> 00:18:48,087\n這就是一個警訊這個事情你要親自的去監督因為這個事情對台灣太重要了台灣本來就是以一個貿易出差為導向的一個經濟體當美國的市場對我們已經越來越重要已經達到四分之一然後現在中國大陸市場包含香港是三分之一我們一直希望說降低對中國的這個市場的依賴\n\n50\n00:18:49,148 --> 00:19:00,660\n但是對美國我剛才講了我們的順差數字節節高升川普絕對不高興那我也覺得奇怪了部長你去年去了幾次美國啊\n\n51\n00:19:01,738 --> 00:19:29,634\n你去年去了幾次美國一次去了一次對不對那你這次為什麼你自己不親自去呢我剛才說泰國的商務部長趕快去他去了以後立刻他都很公開的他說我們要跟美國買你的什麼這個石油買你的大豆買你的玉米告訴大家就直接跟美國坦誠布公我要跟你買東西呀你不要報復我\n\n52\n00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:58,611\n泰國這些企業對不起韓國的企業界他們見到了美國商務部長新任商務部長然後直接講交易每一家拿出十億美金你們就有特殊待遇我們就給你服務商場如戰場尤其部長是從這個商場出來的我就不懂了部長為什麼你不親自去美國啊為什麼不親自去爭取好再來\n\n53\n00:20:00,131 --> 00:20:23,286\n我很生氣的是,從川普上任之後,我們就想發文給經濟部說你們應該要知道對哪些的產業,對台灣的哪些產業會受影響你們給我啊,輕描淡寫啦,說看起來沒有受什麼影響啊沒有受什麼影響才怪咧\n\n54\n00:20:25,106 --> 00:20:53,007\n所有的企業界大家都笑得要死那另外院長我請教您我在這邊為什麼請教院長我不是考你我是說你一定要親自盯這件事情我請問你你知不知道我們的這些大的伺服器跟代工廠會在川普上任百日之前會訪問美國加碼投資美國這件事情您知道嗎\n\n55\n00:20:54,172 --> 00:21:19,664\n我知道現在我們有一些工協會的組織已經去到美國去做一些現場的一些訪問那麼他們希望就他的生產的佈局能夠有所調整那這個第一個我們當然尊重產業界自己的決定再來我們也希望在全球戰略佈局情況底下政府也能夠跟產業界有一些接觸好你說尊重齁已經在做這些接觸了你說尊重齁\n\n56\n00:21:21,274 --> 00:21:45,695\n那麼現在都傳出因為這個產業鏈這個我們總統說民主產業鏈嘛如果當台積電一直加碼到美國投資而我們包含電電工會的這些大型企業都要到美國去投資現在甚至傳出德州要成立一個所謂的德州竹科所以現在不是只有台積電要搬到美國去\n\n57\n00:21:46,596 --> 00:21:54,402\n我們還擔心竹科都要搬到美國去所以在這樣的一個趨勢下我們有沒有相對應的政策我剛才說了嘛我們不要怕丟臉啦人家泰國也不怕丟臉啦告訴你我要買什麼好我再來因為時間很有限我再來跟那個院長跟部長就教\n\n58\n00:22:10,165 --> 00:22:31,751\n越南墨西哥倒霉因為他們是最早被宣布直接charge你直接提高你的那個關稅25%後來他們以為跟我們沒關係嗎台商很可憐台商很可憐中美貿易戰開始之後很多的台灣非常優良的台商他們自己\n\n59\n00:22:32,782 --> 00:22:50,052\n另外再布局為了怕美國對中國磕針關碎他們跑到越南他們跑到墨西哥然後現在別說我們已投資越南什麼富士康合作人寶偽創加斯達維德統一一大堆一頭拉骨了\n\n60\n00:22:51,203 --> 00:23:06,568\n我們到墨西哥越想說在美國旁邊降低成本因為我老講尤其傳統想要到美國去投資是不可能的啦美國也不歡迎啦因為那個成本太高我們到墨西哥鴻海音樂達緯壽合壽廣達維穎仁堡一大堆一坨拉肚\n\n61\n00:23:12,301 --> 00:23:28,937\n我就覺得奇怪了我們經濟部竟然對於我們墨西哥的台商對於我們越南的台商都沒有任何的來關心所以我要講的說我們這一次是面對一個極大極大的挑戰\n\n62\n00:23:31,192 --> 00:23:52,812\n我老實講,為什麼我們還在搞什麼大罷免,不大罷免?我們對各個國家的台商都有關心,請部長發布報告委員,墨西哥的台商有300家,我談了60家等一下,我還有其他問題,好來這個我是很直接的,這是我有直接的主張\n\n63\n00:23:54,451 --> 00:24:23,206\n因為我們面對貿易戰我們必須老講我們必須要降低對美國的貿易審查說實在我們是第六名就會被人家當成眼中釘所以我們可能要去增加採購美國的產品現在看起來我覺得能源是其中一項能源可能要加碼投資我知道現在其實能源從美國採購能源已經進入前十名了另外\n\n64\n00:24:24,932 --> 00:24:50,493\n汽车我们的台湾的汽车关税17.5%美国2.5%美国的汽车的关税如果按照这样子差那么多倍我们是不是可以降低美国汽车的关税我觉得这是很多消费者我们很多的消费者请命了\n\n65\n00:24:51,428 --> 00:25:08,244\n大家希望看到如果我們針對這個貿易戰如果我們有些產品必須降稅的話美國的汽車我們可不可以降稅這一點還有一個很重要的保健食品這個我其實我當時在這個我們財政部長立刻來了\n\n66\n00:25:10,197 --> 00:25:25,463\n我在財委會保健食品我們的關稅高到不行30%所以我們很多人只要一出國你有朋友親朋好友在美國一定要讓你去買什麼什麼維他命C啊維古力啊巴黎大堆啊各式各樣我們台灣保健食品關稅30%全世界\n\n67\n00:25:32,489 --> 00:25:45,314\n中國也8.5%日本14.5%韓國8%美國6.4%請問我們到底在高什麼我們的關稅到底在高什麼台灣的老百姓要吃一些保健食品要付出這麼大的代價嗎\n\n68\n00:25:46,587 --> 00:26:02,553\n委員我四個決議跟你報告我們開了很多次會議只有四點我覺得很重要的決議很簡單說明第一個我們一定跟產業界合作台灣保持先進科技的領先地位第二個任何產業界到外國去做戰略佈局\n\n69\n00:26:03,393 --> 00:26:28,204\n絕對不能讓台灣的產業空洞化第三個我們全力的向國際來做爭取避免不公平的關稅針對台灣的任何一個產業第四個如果是涉入到這種對等關稅的談判我們距離力爭在雙方最有力的情況底下我們來做最好的爭取院長其實你回答很空耗那我請問兩大部長都在這邊我們的汽車關稅可以有下降的空間嗎\n\n70\n00:26:32,139 --> 00:26:46,473\n來財政部一定是問經濟部我們只要開放美國的這個關稅2.5%就要對所有的國家開同樣的關稅2.5%所以美國的車不見得進來其他的國家的車都進來那其他的車如果他真的也有這個競爭力的話呢\n\n71\n00:26:53,396 --> 00:27:20,113\n本土的產業我們會受到傷害所以我說對準關稅我們保護本土產業很久了啦我們保護本土產業已經非常久了這個我當然知道為什麼我們一直維持高利率但是我必須說以台灣的消費者來說大家期待汽車關稅降價其實也很久了台灣的汽車關稅一直是偏高的因為保護本土產業好再來保健食品\n\n72\n00:27:21,277 --> 00:27:35,464\n那時候曾經經濟部說可以研究降低我也覺得這個很離譜可不可以我再用我總諮詢寶貴的時間為大家請命保健食品我們台灣本土的保健食品就非常的強\n\n73\n00:27:38,907 --> 00:28:02,774\n還有30%來保護啊對我們這國內自己的產品嘛我們希望國人能夠愛用國人的產品嘛你就是保護嘛你就是保護嘛對消費者有好處嗎對消費者當然是好處啊好院長我在這邊就直接跟你說我們有很多就是在因應這次的整個的貿易關稅戰還有半導體戰\n\n74\n00:28:06,533 --> 00:28:33,793\n院長真的要親自的讀經我建議你每個禮拜把幾個部長把我們經貿辦公室的主任偷找過來去盯每一個進度這件事情是重中之重好不好這很重要另外呢我們已經在做我們把它做得更密集像這樣對等關稅的談判我們朝\n\n75\n00:28:34,816 --> 00:28:47,978\n雙方有利,但是我剛才不好意思說啦我們江文樂次長他所見到的成績極低啦台積電能夠見到的成績我們的次長是見不到的\n\n76\n00:28:49,465 --> 00:29:11,767\n您也知道可是所以我覺得有些我們可以透過你看韓國瑜這些大企業家就寫美國商務部長嘛對不對他是直接告訴你你一家要投資多少錢我們也可以透過我們的企業界如果我們企業界真的要去的話去摸底然後去傳達我們可以在中美貿易順暢上我們可以做些什麼\n\n77\n00:29:12,833 --> 00:29:31,052\n至少我們會有因應知道嘛好我因為我時間很有限了我還是要講一下有關於普發現金我剛才有注意院長針對剛才副總召回答你的意思說也不應該是說全部都普發現金啦還有其他的部分在\n\n78\n00:29:34,936 --> 00:29:56,297\n在2023年的時候所提出來的特別條例裡面包含普發先進6000塊裡面還包括撥補勞保基金還有包括撥補健保當時是一個package當時是一個package而我們當時也接受了\n\n79\n00:29:56,937 --> 00:30:13,144\n好但是我们真的既然全民的税收的果实就应该要还给人民嘛不要再给我搞一些什么你们算错了这个错了那个错错什么错啊你们财政部的新闻搞\n\n80\n00:30:14,557 --> 00:30:35,465\n我們不知道開了幾十年你現在告訴我說怎麼出錯這個稅收超徵出錯可以凹嗎?硬凹成這樣這個我今天齁我今天放過行政院啊你們有多少在總計算裡面造謠的啊你們連稅收超徵都可以造謠啊所以院長院長在這個普發現金的部分齁\n\n81\n00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:57,680\n好謝謝王宏威委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n6404\t14468\t好 謝謝主席我請卓院長還有邱部長麻煩請卓院長邱太元邱部長邱部長備詢王委員好好 部長 院長好 部長好委員好\n27702\t45124\t星期天我想院長也有受邀到總統官邸去烤肉那麼在同一時間其實早在春節過後我們各大醫院的急診室塞滿了病患而且前幾天發生一件旱事\n46445\t70665\t就是有一位南部醫院醫學中心的病人因為他找不到ICU的病床沒有辦法開刀所以一直輾轉的找各大醫院花了8個小時才動刀但是後來非常不幸的過世這件事情其實震撼了醫界也震撼了台灣\n71906\t86387\t我想可能院長和部長都記得20年前台北市曾經發生邱小妹事件當時這個邱小妹她是受虐兒她就是在各大醫院的急診室變成人球\n87108\t102415\t所以後來他一直到台中才收了這個病人當時包含當時的衛生署包含當時的醫界全面去檢討我們的制度發生了什麼樣的問題\n103752\t133075\t沒想到20年後我們又看到了這樣的情景所以院長我知道你是受邀參加我們也看到很多照片那大家非常開心的吃烤肉但是當民眾受苦在急診室裡面等病床或者輾轉在路上找不到急診院沒有辦法開到的時候難免會讓大家覺得這是不是綠門酒肉臭路有病死骨\n134263\t162011\t這樣的狀況我們絕對絕對絕對要再避免當然我也知道部長這邊立刻召開了會議宣布了相關的所謂的這個三大因應對策還有兩大中長程的改革可是一般的議界不認為在短期內可以會被解決那我想請問一下\n163331\t191343\t部長除了這個比較屬於中長期或者因應對策之外有沒有一些可以緊急的方式立刻能夠解決從春節以來大家塞爆在急診室好像有如戰地甚至有人說急診他躺在地上這樣的一個情景有沒有機會有沒有可能在短期內可以得到紓解報告委員我想任何一個\n193517\t208877\t病人因為有傷亡我們真的是會非常的難過部長願意為這個事件而道歉嗎我想我如果以這個個案的話因為他是\n209965\t237250\t2月19號7點因為肚子痛所以到成大醫院成大醫院就急診團隊經過了診治以後判定他是因為部長這個狀況我們其實都從媒體報導很清楚所以我想請問部長這個事件我們政府該不該道歉兩件事情跟委員報告第一個容許我簡單的說明就是前一天的餐敘是\n239192\t253049\t總統或是行政院在開議之前例行的所以那個參敘是總統是自掏腰包沒有問到公費但這個不代表我們對這個事情的不關心我從2月10號年後放假結束第一天我就跟衛部講\n253610\t277672\t他們提出的那個兩三個禮拜才能紓解急診用篩情形我非常的在意不能這樣做到你不滿意嗎2月10號有交代2月19號發生這個漢字我剛才問部長院沒有到院長你要不要為這件事情而道歉好第二件事情是成大的那個案件我們精查起來他沒有轉轉好幾個醫院找不到他是由台南成大直接沒有錯還是找不到啊他還是\n279854\t304714\t所以老師的時間關係 老師講 部長啊 部長你們現在這個方式 現在醫界根本都不認為你們能夠解決我就覺得很奇怪了 為什麼要有一個醫院一個一個打我們打詐鬥儀表板 我們各大醫院難道不能夠把他的急診病床 他的ICU病床\n306435\t333335\t直接的通報讓很多的醫院可以一目了然他可以知道他立刻可以送到哪一個醫院而不是一個一個打電話所以這個部分因為今天時間非常有限我希望你們的現實趕快的去解決所以我請教部長一個星期內可不可以解決現在急診室裡面的亂象苦民所苦\n334107\t352755\t報告委員我們從2月8日2月13日還有昨天都是召集全國的急診還有大醫院的院長還有醫師公會都一起討論我們提出的這三個策略以及未來要做的事情一個禮拜內會不會解決吧你不要告訴我中長期了大家所決定的都是一樣的所以\n353215\t359964\t我們會一起努力那我想從昨天來看我再下一個我直接再切入這一個事件還有包含已經比較舒緩了還有衛福部次長林靜儀次長直接在網路上去嗆醫生\n371678\t395440\t院長說要謹言慎行那林靜怡這個次長她過去有很多的失言她過去很多政治性的失言但是這件事情她是直接去叫基層的醫生搞到醫生哀莫大於心死決定要離職所以院長除了要謹言慎行的話林靜怡次長該不該下台以事負責呢\n396441\t420800\t當初我跟邱部長我們請林靜儀次長來是因為他的專業以及在立法院他也有相當豐富的經驗那這一次的他的失言我覺得是相當嚴重我請部長能夠對他面對的那位醫師要做出懲處嗎安慰那位醫師給他最多的關懷照顧表示歉意那我也希望邱部長能夠跟林次長未來在\n421720\t449527\t內部的業務上的執行一定要比現在更加倍加倍的小心這完全沒有苦民所苦啦另外有件事情我要為這次的吹哨者請命因為這個事件就是我們剛談到那個成大醫院這個成大醫院的病人那他當然是有一個吹哨者一個護理師把這個事情曝光了所以我在這邊要請院長跟部長跟我承諾不會秋後算帳\n450763\t454647\t絕對不會秋後算帳事實上我們現在已經有階幣者保護法如果秋後算帳事實上還會有違法的問題任何基於事實給予我們這種中心的建議或是批評我們都虛心的接受而且表示感謝\n470054\t497091\t這一次這個急診的狀況事實上我們自己作為民代我們第一線都有感受為什麼呢大家都知道我們會有很多選民服務所以很多的選民會來拜託我昨天晚上還在處理就是在那邊等了四天在急診室裡等了四天也等不到病床我知道可能有人更久但是我覺得今天如果我們將心比心\n498292\t519233\t將心比心到了急診室都完全等不到病床那種心情的焦急所以我剛才跟部長講其實我們緊急事件是有很多方式比如說像這樣子大家說地區醫院要負起責任來我們地區的衛生局這個事件高雄衛生局說不知道\n520995\t536853\t如果我們有一些它並不是只有醫學中心可以處理的事實上我是建議不是你們自己關起門來一直在開會你們還要去結合各地區的衛生局對不對我剛才講你們也可以做一個儀表板\n537634\t554187\t把醫學中心、地區醫院這些他的病床病人數通通集合起來然後讓所有的醫院在很短暫的時間裡面他可以知道他可以怎麼樣的去輸送病人這點非常重要\n556481\t575460\t他們現在初步有統計的結果他們還有各醫院執行的狀況就是陳獨委員剛剛所建議的我們應變中心緊急救護中心它有四大急症台南成大這個個案剛好不是屬於這四大\n578988\t588901\t你看他還不是急診 早了8小時人死掉了院長啊 這個事情喔 這個事情要快速解決對不起 因為我時間 因為我還有很多要來 好不好\n591004\t616736\t昨天早上我要求第一個這個因為社會不解不了解我們用了什麼方式解決問題要讓社會了解第二個病人不安這不是社會解不解決連醫院都不知道這些問題怎麼解決你還要讓社會怎麼解決病人都躺在急診室裡面你要讓他知道你怎麼解決病人非常的不安一定要做好這些說明的工作讓醫院都知道吧再來人力不足我們要快速地來提升人力醫院竟然要一個個打電話我們現在是什麼時代啊他的系統完成了\n620097\t620538\t請邱部長 麻煩請NCC\n649708\t668877\t好 我們代理主委 院長在今年農曆春節一結束有一件事情也引發極大民眾的抗議跟憤怒就是NCC突然的公告就是攜帶包含藍牙跟Wi-Fi電子傳輸的相關的產品設備要課一件750塊錢的一個檢驗費\n676961\t691495\t這個事情後來鬧到沸沸揚揚引起重大的民怨最後這個NCC現在的狀況是叫做所謂的暫緩只是暫緩收取而已\n692276\t713917\t以現在來講也就是說你不管是輸入或輸出都要在Easyway的這個NCC的一個切結書你要先填寫切結書而且這個切結書你一定要說同意喔同意檢驗你不同意還送不出去然後呢告訴你以後還是會收好所以\n715910\t729846\t這個引起重大民怨的事件到現在為止好像你以為消聲匿跡了嗎不是啊NCC只不過是緩兵之計說暫緩收取我們還不曉得什麼時候要收取\n730467\t753345\t那未來收取要多少錢通通不知道所以所有的消費者還是覺得非常的忐忑而且這件事情讓大家覺得政府搶錢搶得太過分了所以院長我相信你們的輿情蒐集一定有這個議題院長現在你同意NCC用暫緩收取的方式來做緩兵之計嗎\n756394\t784922\t年後我們也發現這個問題所以當天跟NCC通過這個溝通之後因為到底是一個獨立機關由他們來了解社會的反應以及大家希望怎麼樣處置所以當天他們就做下來了我們現在是支持NCC做這樣的決定收還是不收你現在不過緩兵之際啊大家不知道你收不收收還是不收跟委員報告這個案子我們經過依歸廢法相關規定含包財政部取得這個停征的\n785509\t804729\t同意他尊重我們的決議所以目前就是沒有不再收取費用所以確定不收對不對我們現在就不再收取費用你現在不收取你未來不收取現在只是暫緩喔你告訴我你的公文上只是暫緩喔所以你是現在不收取未來可能收取嗎\n805848\t827941\t我們函報財政部之前是暫緩收取那函報財政部之後財政部的答覆是尊重我們停徵你還是沒有回答問題好我來問院長這事情他這樣給我呼嚨啊你再繼續給我呼嚨吧是決定暫緩可是函請財政部說明之後財政部尊重NCC所以現在NCC的決定是就停徵了\n828881\t837805\t所以停針 院長講的喔 我們這邊是有記錄是不是這樣尊重這個獨立機關所以按照你的意思就是不收了嘛對不對是\n840493\t866415\t不收了那請NCC那今天當然這個是有記錄的請NCC用一個新聞稿的方式或文字的方式來告知消費者因為我們到現在還有很多的消費者在詢問我們這個議題覺得說會不會以後還要收因為你都同意他檢驗然後審查金額待確認之後再通知你來繳這個審查費大家很害怕\n867597\t880031\t他寫不同意又送不出去同意他不曉得他什麼時候要被charge這個費用所以現在不收請用文字用新聞稿的方式來告知所有的消費者可不可以\n881208\t909413\t好可以好謝謝我先報告我一句話現在他的決定是要我們尊重獨立機關NCC但是這個原意是要阻止一些非法的網購我這個就是要問消費者對以色列法院裡面的這個建議所以還是要有防弊的措施讓他們去研議防弊的措施但是不以收費來當作一個期碼的方式好不好你要防治這些防弊你們就去做防弊但是這個收費既然這個一言既出嘛是嘛\n909673\t921025\t那個司馬南錐好來那個時間暫停一下請那個代理主委先回先回座那我現在接著請我們經濟部長郭部長麻煩請經濟部備選好\n930888\t954506\t院長部長這個是一個非常重大的議題從川普總統上台之後那麼他立刻啟動了全球的關稅站院長知道台灣在美國的貿易順差就是是美國的貿易順差的國家我們排第幾名您知道嗎\n957968\t984537\t第六名然後去年我們對美貿易順差的成績非常好按照美國商務部的統計大概是740億將近740億美元我們本來也很沾沾自喜因為我們本來就希望我們能降低對中國大陸市場的依賴我們成功的開拓了美國市場可是美國人不高興啊\n985575\t1006714\t美國人非常不高興,你點頭嘛,同意啊美國很不高興,所以現在只要你是在美國貿易宣傳國前幾名的大家每一個都屁屁剉,瑟瑟發抖所以呢,最近包含泰國的商務部長趕快跑到美國去\n1007762\t1027681\t然後韓國的這些企業大老闆也跑到美國去趕快去書城啊說怎麼辦呢我要怎麼做美國你才不要來報復我懲罰我啊很重要那麼我們呢也派了我們的次長經濟部的次長江文若江次長美女次長\n1028899\t1047111\t但是問題是院長這麼重大的事情我們的美女次長見到了什麼樣的成績不管是美國商務部或者貿易代表署見到什麼成績您知道嗎雙方的貿易平衡這個是國際間往來一個對等相當重要的原則所以我們並\n1047927\t1070551\t不全然沾沾自喜我們對美國的貿易順差我們希望雙方能夠平衡但是就產業面來講我們是一個現在產業供應鏈重要的角色所以多輸出一些高科技產品這也是必然的現象我想這個經過理解之後我們再從其他的方面來平衡這個貿易那麼經濟部江文若次長去到美國他一定有他的安排跟管道\n1070891\t1093484\t那見到誰您知道嗎?他有跟您報告嗎?或者部長有跟您報告嗎?或者我們的副院長有跟您報告嗎?因為副院長每個禮拜都在主持相關的會議啊到底院長知不知道?姜文若到底見到誰?姜文若次長去之前我當然知道去之後不曉得見到誰但是我們通過了解整個過程我要必須講這就是一個警訊\n1099068\t1128087\t這就是一個警訊這個事情你要親自的去監督因為這個事情對台灣太重要了台灣本來就是以一個貿易出差為導向的一個經濟體當美國的市場對我們已經越來越重要已經達到四分之一然後現在中國大陸市場包含香港是三分之一我們一直希望說降低對中國的這個市場的依賴\n1129148\t1140660\t但是對美國我剛才講了我們的順差數字節節高升川普絕對不高興那我也覺得奇怪了部長你去年去了幾次美國啊\n1141738\t1169634\t你去年去了幾次美國一次去了一次對不對那你這次為什麼你自己不親自去呢我剛才說泰國的商務部長趕快去他去了以後立刻他都很公開的他說我們要跟美國買你的什麼這個石油買你的大豆買你的玉米告訴大家就直接跟美國坦誠布公我要跟你買東西呀你不要報復我\n1171240\t1198611\t泰國這些企業 對不起 韓國的企業界他們見到了美國商務部長 新任商務部長然後直接講交易每一家拿出十億美金你們就有特殊待遇 我們就給你服務商場如戰場尤其部長是從這個商場出來的我就不懂了部長 為什麼你不親自去美國啊為什麼不親自去爭取好 再來\n1200131\t1223286\t我很生氣的是,從川普上任之後,我們就想發文給經濟部說你們應該要知道對哪些的產業,對台灣的哪些產業會受影響你們給我啊,輕描淡寫啦,說看起來沒有受什麼影響啊沒有受什麼影響才怪咧\n1225106\t1253007\t所有的企業界大家都笑得要死那另外院長我請教您我在這邊為什麼請教院長我不是考你我是說你一定要親自盯這件事情我請問你你知不知道我們的這些大的伺服器跟代工廠會在川普上任百日之前會訪問美國加碼投資美國這件事情您知道嗎\n1254172\t1279664\t我知道現在我們有一些工協會的組織已經去到美國去做一些現場的一些訪問那麼他們希望就他的生產的佈局能夠有所調整那這個第一個我們當然尊重產業界自己的決定再來我們也希望在全球戰略佈局情況底下政府也能夠跟產業界有一些接觸好你說尊重齁已經在做這些接觸了你說尊重齁\n1281274\t1305695\t那麼現在都傳出因為這個產業鏈這個我們總統說民主產業鏈嘛如果當台積電一直加碼到美國投資而我們包含電電工會的這些大型企業都要到美國去投資現在甚至傳出德州要成立一個所謂的德州竹科所以現在不是只有台積電要搬到美國去\n1306596\t1314402\t我們還擔心竹科都要搬到美國去所以在這樣的一個趨勢下我們有沒有相對應的政策我剛才說了嘛我們不要怕丟臉啦人家泰國也不怕丟臉啦告訴你我要買什麼好我再來因為時間很有限我再來跟那個院長跟部長就教\n1330165\t1351751\t越南墨西哥倒霉 因為他們是最早被宣布直接charge你 直接提高你的那個關稅25%後來他們以為跟我們沒關係嗎台商很可憐 台商很可憐中美貿易戰開始之後 很多的台灣非常優良的台商他們自己\n1352782\t1370052\t另外再布局為了怕美國對中國磕針關碎他們跑到越南他們跑到墨西哥然後現在別說我們已投資越南什麼富士康合作人寶偽創加斯達維德統一一大堆一頭拉骨了\n1371203\t1386568\t我們到墨西哥越想說在美國旁邊降低成本因為我老講尤其傳統想要到美國去投資是不可能的啦美國也不歡迎啦因為那個成本太高我們到墨西哥 鴻海 音樂達 緯壽 合壽 廣達 維穎 仁堡一大堆一坨拉肚\n1392301\t1408937\t我就覺得奇怪了我們經濟部竟然對於我們墨西哥的台商對於我們越南的台商都沒有任何的來關心所以我要講的說我們這一次是面對一個極大極大的挑戰\n1411192\t1432812\t我老實講,為什麼我們還在搞什麼大罷免,不大罷免?我們對各個國家的台商都有關心,請部長發布報告委員,墨西哥的台商有300家,我談了60家等一下,我還有其他問題,好來這個我是很直接的,這是我有直接的主張\n1434451\t1463206\t因為我們面對貿易戰我們必須老講我們必須要降低對美國的貿易審查說實在我們是第六名就會被人家當成眼中釘所以我們可能要去增加採購美國的產品現在看起來我覺得能源是其中一項能源可能要加碼投資我知道現在其實能源從美國採購能源已經進入前十名了另外\n1464932\t1490493\t汽车我们的台湾的汽车关税17.5%美国2.5%美国的汽车的关税如果按照这样子差那么多倍我们是不是可以降低美国汽车的关税我觉得这是很多消费者我们很多的消费者请命了\n1491428\t1508244\t大家希望看到如果我們針對這個貿易戰如果我們有些產品必須降稅的話美國的汽車我們可不可以降稅這一點還有一個很重要的保健食品這個我其實我當時在這個我們財政部長立刻來了\n1510197\t1525463\t我在財委會保健食品我們的關稅高到不行30%所以我們很多人只要一出國你有朋友親朋好友在美國一定要讓你去買什麼什麼維他命C啊 維古力啊 巴黎大堆啊各式各樣我們台灣保健食品關稅30%全世界\n1532489\t1545314\t中國也8.5% 日本14.5% 韓國8% 美國6.4%請問我們到底在高什麼 我們的關稅到底在高什麼台灣的老百姓要吃一些保健食品要付出這麼大的代價嗎\n1546587\t1562553\t委員我四個決議跟你報告我們開了很多次會議只有四點我覺得很重要的決議很簡單說明第一個我們一定跟產業界合作台灣保持先進科技的領先地位第二個任何產業界到外國去做戰略佈局\n1563393\t1588204\t絕對不能讓台灣的產業空洞化第三個我們全力的向國際來做爭取避免不公平的關稅針對台灣的任何一個產業第四個如果是涉入到這種對等關稅的談判我們距離力爭在雙方最有力的情況底下我們來做最好的爭取院長其實你回答很空耗那我請問兩大部長都在這邊我們的汽車關稅可以有下降的空間嗎\n1592139\t1606473\t來 財政部一定是問經濟部我們只要開放美國的這個關稅2.5%就要對所有的國家開同樣的關稅2.5%所以美國的車不見得進來其他的國家的車都進來那其他的車如果他真的也有這個競爭力的話呢\n1613396\t1640113\t本土的產業我們會受到傷害所以我說對準關稅我們保護本土產業很久了啦我們保護本土產業已經非常久了這個我當然知道為什麼我們一直維持高利率但是我必須說以台灣的消費者來說大家期待汽車關稅降價其實也很久了台灣的汽車關稅一直是偏高的因為保護本土產業好再來保健食品\n1641277\t1655464\t那時候曾經經濟部說可以研究降低我也覺得這個很離譜可不可以我再用我總諮詢寶貴的時間為大家請命保健食品我們台灣本土的保健食品就非常的強\n1658907\t1682774\t還有30%來保護啊對 我們這國內自己的產品嘛我們希望國人能夠愛用國人的產品嘛你就是保護嘛你就是保護嘛對消費者有好處嗎對消費者當然是好處啊好 院長 我在這邊就直接跟你說我們有很多就是在因應這次的整個的貿易關稅戰還有半導體戰\n1686533\t1713793\t院長真的要親自的讀經我建議你每個禮拜把幾個部長把我們經貿辦公室的主任偷找過來去盯每一個進度這件事情是重中之重好不好這很重要另外呢我們已經在做我們把它做得更密集像這樣對等關稅的談判我們朝\n1714816\t1727978\t雙方有利,但是我剛才不好意思說啦我們江文樂次長他所見到的成績極低啦台積電能夠見到的成績我們的次長是見不到的\n1729465\t1751767\t您也知道可是所以我覺得有些我們可以透過你看韓國瑜這些大企業家就寫美國商務部長嘛對不對他是直接告訴你你一家要投資多少錢我們也可以透過我們的企業界如果我們企業界真的要去的話去摸底然後去傳達我們可以在中美貿易順暢上我們可以做些什麼\n1752833\t1771052\t至少我們會有因應知道嘛好 我因為我時間很有限了我還是要講一下有關於普發現金我剛才有注意院長針對剛才副總召回答你的意思說也不應該是說全部都普發現金啦還有其他的部分在\n1774936\t1796297\t在2023年的時候所提出來的特別條例裡面包含普發先進6000塊裡面還包括撥補勞保基金還有包括撥補健保當時是一個package當時是一個package而我們當時也接受了\n1796937\t1813144\t好但是我们真的既然全民的税收的果实就应该要还给人民嘛不要再给我搞一些什么你们算错了这个错了那个错错什么错啊你们财政部的新闻搞\n1814557\t1835465\t我們不知道開了幾十年你現在告訴我說怎麼出錯這個稅收超徵出錯可以凹嗎?硬凹成這樣這個我今天齁我今天放過行政院啊你們有多少在總計算裡面造謠的啊你們連稅收超徵都可以造謠啊所以院長院長在這個普發現金的部分齁\n1856880\t1857680\t好 謝謝王宏威委員\n","txt":"好 謝謝主席我請卓院長還有邱部長麻煩請卓院長邱太元邱部長邱部長備詢王委員好好 部長 院長好 部長好委員好\n星期天我想院長也有受邀到總統官邸去烤肉那麼在同一時間其實早在春節過後我們各大醫院的急診室塞滿了病患而且前幾天發生一件旱事\n就是有一位南部醫院醫學中心的病人因為他找不到ICU的病床沒有辦法開刀所以一直輾轉的找各大醫院花了8個小時才動刀但是後來非常不幸的過世這件事情其實震撼了醫界也震撼了台灣\n我想可能院長和部長都記得20年前台北市曾經發生邱小妹事件當時這個邱小妹她是受虐兒她就是在各大醫院的急診室變成人球\n所以後來他一直到台中才收了這個病人當時包含當時的衛生署包含當時的醫界全面去檢討我們的制度發生了什麼樣的問題\n沒想到20年後我們又看到了這樣的情景所以院長我知道你是受邀參加我們也看到很多照片那大家非常開心的吃烤肉但是當民眾受苦在急診室裡面等病床或者輾轉在路上找不到急診院沒有辦法開到的時候難免會讓大家覺得這是不是綠門酒肉臭路有病死骨\n這樣的狀況我們絕對絕對絕對要再避免當然我也知道部長這邊立刻召開了會議宣布了相關的所謂的這個三大因應對策還有兩大中長程的改革可是一般的議界不認為在短期內可以會被解決那我想請問一下\n部長除了這個比較屬於中長期或者因應對策之外有沒有一些可以緊急的方式立刻能夠解決從春節以來大家塞爆在急診室好像有如戰地甚至有人說急診他躺在地上這樣的一個情景有沒有機會有沒有可能在短期內可以得到紓解報告委員我想任何一個\n病人因為有傷亡我們真的是會非常的難過部長願意為這個事件而道歉嗎我想我如果以這個個案的話因為他是\n2月19號7點因為肚子痛所以到成大醫院成大醫院就急診團隊經過了診治以後判定他是因為部長這個狀況我們其實都從媒體報導很清楚所以我想請問部長這個事件我們政府該不該道歉兩件事情跟委員報告第一個容許我簡單的說明就是前一天的餐敘是\n總統或是行政院在開議之前例行的所以那個參敘是總統是自掏腰包沒有問到公費但這個不代表我們對這個事情的不關心我從2月10號年後放假結束第一天我就跟衛部講\n他們提出的那個兩三個禮拜才能紓解急診用篩情形我非常的在意不能這樣做到你不滿意嗎2月10號有交代2月19號發生這個漢字我剛才問部長院沒有到院長你要不要為這件事情而道歉好第二件事情是成大的那個案件我們精查起來他沒有轉轉好幾個醫院找不到他是由台南成大直接沒有錯還是找不到啊他還是\n所以老師的時間關係 老師講 部長啊 部長你們現在這個方式 現在醫界根本都不認為你們能夠解決我就覺得很奇怪了 為什麼要有一個醫院一個一個打我們打詐鬥儀表板 我們各大醫院難道不能夠把他的急診病床 他的ICU病床\n直接的通報讓很多的醫院可以一目了然他可以知道他立刻可以送到哪一個醫院而不是一個一個打電話所以這個部分因為今天時間非常有限我希望你們的現實趕快的去解決所以我請教部長一個星期內可不可以解決現在急診室裡面的亂象苦民所苦\n報告委員我們從2月8日2月13日還有昨天都是召集全國的急診還有大醫院的院長還有醫師公會都一起討論我們提出的這三個策略以及未來要做的事情一個禮拜內會不會解決吧你不要告訴我中長期了大家所決定的都是一樣的所以\n我們會一起努力那我想從昨天來看我再下一個我直接再切入這一個事件還有包含已經比較舒緩了還有衛福部次長林靜儀次長直接在網路上去嗆醫生\n院長說要謹言慎行那林靜怡這個次長她過去有很多的失言她過去很多政治性的失言但是這件事情她是直接去叫基層的醫生搞到醫生哀莫大於心死決定要離職所以院長除了要謹言慎行的話林靜怡次長該不該下台以事負責呢\n當初我跟邱部長我們請林靜儀次長來是因為他的專業以及在立法院他也有相當豐富的經驗那這一次的他的失言我覺得是相當嚴重我請部長能夠對他面對的那位醫師要做出懲處嗎安慰那位醫師給他最多的關懷照顧表示歉意那我也希望邱部長能夠跟林次長未來在\n內部的業務上的執行一定要比現在更加倍加倍的小心這完全沒有苦民所苦啦另外有件事情我要為這次的吹哨者請命因為這個事件就是我們剛談到那個成大醫院這個成大醫院的病人那他當然是有一個吹哨者一個護理師把這個事情曝光了所以我在這邊要請院長跟部長跟我承諾不會秋後算帳\n絕對不會秋後算帳事實上我們現在已經有階幣者保護法如果秋後算帳事實上還會有違法的問題任何基於事實給予我們這種中心的建議或是批評我們都虛心的接受而且表示感謝\n這一次這個急診的狀況事實上我們自己作為民代我們第一線都有感受為什麼呢大家都知道我們會有很多選民服務所以很多的選民會來拜託我昨天晚上還在處理就是在那邊等了四天在急診室裡等了四天也等不到病床我知道可能有人更久但是我覺得今天如果我們將心比心\n將心比心到了急診室都完全等不到病床那種心情的焦急所以我剛才跟部長講其實我們緊急事件是有很多方式比如說像這樣子大家說地區醫院要負起責任來我們地區的衛生局這個事件高雄衛生局說不知道\n如果我們有一些它並不是只有醫學中心可以處理的事實上我是建議不是你們自己關起門來一直在開會你們還要去結合各地區的衛生局對不對我剛才講你們也可以做一個儀表板\n把醫學中心、地區醫院這些他的病床病人數通通集合起來然後讓所有的醫院在很短暫的時間裡面他可以知道他可以怎麼樣的去輸送病人這點非常重要\n他們現在初步有統計的結果他們還有各醫院執行的狀況就是陳獨委員剛剛所建議的我們應變中心緊急救護中心它有四大急症台南成大這個個案剛好不是屬於這四大\n你看他還不是急診 早了8小時人死掉了院長啊 這個事情喔 這個事情要快速解決對不起 因為我時間 因為我還有很多要來 好不好\n昨天早上我要求第一個這個因為社會不解不了解我們用了什麼方式解決問題要讓社會了解第二個病人不安這不是社會解不解決連醫院都不知道這些問題怎麼解決你還要讓社會怎麼解決病人都躺在急診室裡面你要讓他知道你怎麼解決病人非常的不安一定要做好這些說明的工作讓醫院都知道吧再來人力不足我們要快速地來提升人力醫院竟然要一個個打電話我們現在是什麼時代啊他的系統完成了\n請邱部長 麻煩請NCC\n好 我們代理主委 院長在今年農曆春節一結束有一件事情也引發極大民眾的抗議跟憤怒就是NCC突然的公告就是攜帶包含藍牙跟Wi-Fi電子傳輸的相關的產品設備要課一件750塊錢的一個檢驗費\n這個事情後來鬧到沸沸揚揚引起重大的民怨最後這個NCC現在的狀況是叫做所謂的暫緩只是暫緩收取而已\n以現在來講也就是說你不管是輸入或輸出都要在Easyway的這個NCC的一個切結書你要先填寫切結書而且這個切結書你一定要說同意喔同意檢驗你不同意還送不出去然後呢告訴你以後還是會收好所以\n這個引起重大民怨的事件到現在為止好像你以為消聲匿跡了嗎不是啊NCC只不過是緩兵之計說暫緩收取我們還不曉得什麼時候要收取\n那未來收取要多少錢通通不知道所以所有的消費者還是覺得非常的忐忑而且這件事情讓大家覺得政府搶錢搶得太過分了所以院長我相信你們的輿情蒐集一定有這個議題院長現在你同意NCC用暫緩收取的方式來做緩兵之計嗎\n年後我們也發現這個問題所以當天跟NCC通過這個溝通之後因為到底是一個獨立機關由他們來了解社會的反應以及大家希望怎麼樣處置所以當天他們就做下來了我們現在是支持NCC做這樣的決定收還是不收你現在不過緩兵之際啊大家不知道你收不收收還是不收跟委員報告這個案子我們經過依歸廢法相關規定含包財政部取得這個停征的\n同意他尊重我們的決議所以目前就是沒有不再收取費用所以確定不收對不對我們現在就不再收取費用你現在不收取你未來不收取現在只是暫緩喔你告訴我你的公文上只是暫緩喔所以你是現在不收取未來可能收取嗎\n我們函報財政部之前是暫緩收取那函報財政部之後財政部的答覆是尊重我們停徵你還是沒有回答問題好我來問院長這事情他這樣給我呼嚨啊你再繼續給我呼嚨吧是決定暫緩可是函請財政部說明之後財政部尊重NCC所以現在NCC的決定是就停徵了\n所以停針 院長講的喔 我們這邊是有記錄是不是這樣尊重這個獨立機關所以按照你的意思就是不收了嘛對不對是\n不收了那請NCC那今天當然這個是有記錄的請NCC用一個新聞稿的方式或文字的方式來告知消費者因為我們到現在還有很多的消費者在詢問我們這個議題覺得說會不會以後還要收因為你都同意他檢驗然後審查金額待確認之後再通知你來繳這個審查費大家很害怕\n他寫不同意又送不出去同意他不曉得他什麼時候要被charge這個費用所以現在不收請用文字用新聞稿的方式來告知所有的消費者可不可以\n好可以好謝謝我先報告我一句話現在他的決定是要我們尊重獨立機關NCC但是這個原意是要阻止一些非法的網購我這個就是要問消費者對以色列法院裡面的這個建議所以還是要有防弊的措施讓他們去研議防弊的措施但是不以收費來當作一個期碼的方式好不好你要防治這些防弊你們就去做防弊但是這個收費既然這個一言既出嘛是嘛\n那個司馬南錐好來那個時間暫停一下請那個代理主委先回先回座那我現在接著請我們經濟部長郭部長麻煩請經濟部備選好\n院長部長這個是一個非常重大的議題從川普總統上台之後那麼他立刻啟動了全球的關稅站院長知道台灣在美國的貿易順差就是是美國的貿易順差的國家我們排第幾名您知道嗎\n第六名然後去年我們對美貿易順差的成績非常好按照美國商務部的統計大概是740億將近740億美元我們本來也很沾沾自喜因為我們本來就希望我們能降低對中國大陸市場的依賴我們成功的開拓了美國市場可是美國人不高興啊\n美國人非常不高興,你點頭嘛,同意啊美國很不高興,所以現在只要你是在美國貿易宣傳國前幾名的大家每一個都屁屁剉,瑟瑟發抖所以呢,最近包含泰國的商務部長趕快跑到美國去\n然後韓國的這些企業大老闆也跑到美國去趕快去書城啊說怎麼辦呢我要怎麼做美國你才不要來報復我懲罰我啊很重要那麼我們呢也派了我們的次長經濟部的次長江文若江次長美女次長\n但是問題是院長這麼重大的事情我們的美女次長見到了什麼樣的成績不管是美國商務部或者貿易代表署見到什麼成績您知道嗎雙方的貿易平衡這個是國際間往來一個對等相當重要的原則所以我們並\n不全然沾沾自喜我們對美國的貿易順差我們希望雙方能夠平衡但是就產業面來講我們是一個現在產業供應鏈重要的角色所以多輸出一些高科技產品這也是必然的現象我想這個經過理解之後我們再從其他的方面來平衡這個貿易那麼經濟部江文若次長去到美國他一定有他的安排跟管道\n那見到誰您知道嗎?他有跟您報告嗎?或者部長有跟您報告嗎?或者我們的副院長有跟您報告嗎?因為副院長每個禮拜都在主持相關的會議啊到底院長知不知道?姜文若到底見到誰?姜文若次長去之前我當然知道去之後不曉得見到誰但是我們通過了解整個過程我要必須講這就是一個警訊\n這就是一個警訊這個事情你要親自的去監督因為這個事情對台灣太重要了台灣本來就是以一個貿易出差為導向的一個經濟體當美國的市場對我們已經越來越重要已經達到四分之一然後現在中國大陸市場包含香港是三分之一我們一直希望說降低對中國的這個市場的依賴\n但是對美國我剛才講了我們的順差數字節節高升川普絕對不高興那我也覺得奇怪了部長你去年去了幾次美國啊\n你去年去了幾次美國一次去了一次對不對那你這次為什麼你自己不親自去呢我剛才說泰國的商務部長趕快去他去了以後立刻他都很公開的他說我們要跟美國買你的什麼這個石油買你的大豆買你的玉米告訴大家就直接跟美國坦誠布公我要跟你買東西呀你不要報復我\n泰國這些企業 對不起 韓國的企業界他們見到了美國商務部長 新任商務部長然後直接講交易每一家拿出十億美金你們就有特殊待遇 我們就給你服務商場如戰場尤其部長是從這個商場出來的我就不懂了部長 為什麼你不親自去美國啊為什麼不親自去爭取好 再來\n我很生氣的是,從川普上任之後,我們就想發文給經濟部說你們應該要知道對哪些的產業,對台灣的哪些產業會受影響你們給我啊,輕描淡寫啦,說看起來沒有受什麼影響啊沒有受什麼影響才怪咧\n所有的企業界大家都笑得要死那另外院長我請教您我在這邊為什麼請教院長我不是考你我是說你一定要親自盯這件事情我請問你你知不知道我們的這些大的伺服器跟代工廠會在川普上任百日之前會訪問美國加碼投資美國這件事情您知道嗎\n我知道現在我們有一些工協會的組織已經去到美國去做一些現場的一些訪問那麼他們希望就他的生產的佈局能夠有所調整那這個第一個我們當然尊重產業界自己的決定再來我們也希望在全球戰略佈局情況底下政府也能夠跟產業界有一些接觸好你說尊重齁已經在做這些接觸了你說尊重齁\n那麼現在都傳出因為這個產業鏈這個我們總統說民主產業鏈嘛如果當台積電一直加碼到美國投資而我們包含電電工會的這些大型企業都要到美國去投資現在甚至傳出德州要成立一個所謂的德州竹科所以現在不是只有台積電要搬到美國去\n我們還擔心竹科都要搬到美國去所以在這樣的一個趨勢下我們有沒有相對應的政策我剛才說了嘛我們不要怕丟臉啦人家泰國也不怕丟臉啦告訴你我要買什麼好我再來因為時間很有限我再來跟那個院長跟部長就教\n越南墨西哥倒霉 因為他們是最早被宣布直接charge你 直接提高你的那個關稅25%後來他們以為跟我們沒關係嗎台商很可憐 台商很可憐中美貿易戰開始之後 很多的台灣非常優良的台商他們自己\n另外再布局為了怕美國對中國磕針關碎他們跑到越南他們跑到墨西哥然後現在別說我們已投資越南什麼富士康合作人寶偽創加斯達維德統一一大堆一頭拉骨了\n我們到墨西哥越想說在美國旁邊降低成本因為我老講尤其傳統想要到美國去投資是不可能的啦美國也不歡迎啦因為那個成本太高我們到墨西哥 鴻海 音樂達 緯壽 合壽 廣達 維穎 仁堡一大堆一坨拉肚\n我就覺得奇怪了我們經濟部竟然對於我們墨西哥的台商對於我們越南的台商都沒有任何的來關心所以我要講的說我們這一次是面對一個極大極大的挑戰\n我老實講,為什麼我們還在搞什麼大罷免,不大罷免?我們對各個國家的台商都有關心,請部長發布報告委員,墨西哥的台商有300家,我談了60家等一下,我還有其他問題,好來這個我是很直接的,這是我有直接的主張\n因為我們面對貿易戰我們必須老講我們必須要降低對美國的貿易審查說實在我們是第六名就會被人家當成眼中釘所以我們可能要去增加採購美國的產品現在看起來我覺得能源是其中一項能源可能要加碼投資我知道現在其實能源從美國採購能源已經進入前十名了另外\n汽车我们的台湾的汽车关税17.5%美国2.5%美国的汽车的关税如果按照这样子差那么多倍我们是不是可以降低美国汽车的关税我觉得这是很多消费者我们很多的消费者请命了\n大家希望看到如果我們針對這個貿易戰如果我們有些產品必須降稅的話美國的汽車我們可不可以降稅這一點還有一個很重要的保健食品這個我其實我當時在這個我們財政部長立刻來了\n我在財委會保健食品我們的關稅高到不行30%所以我們很多人只要一出國你有朋友親朋好友在美國一定要讓你去買什麼什麼維他命C啊 維古力啊 巴黎大堆啊各式各樣我們台灣保健食品關稅30%全世界\n中國也8.5% 日本14.5% 韓國8% 美國6.4%請問我們到底在高什麼 我們的關稅到底在高什麼台灣的老百姓要吃一些保健食品要付出這麼大的代價嗎\n委員我四個決議跟你報告我們開了很多次會議只有四點我覺得很重要的決議很簡單說明第一個我們一定跟產業界合作台灣保持先進科技的領先地位第二個任何產業界到外國去做戰略佈局\n絕對不能讓台灣的產業空洞化第三個我們全力的向國際來做爭取避免不公平的關稅針對台灣的任何一個產業第四個如果是涉入到這種對等關稅的談判我們距離力爭在雙方最有力的情況底下我們來做最好的爭取院長其實你回答很空耗那我請問兩大部長都在這邊我們的汽車關稅可以有下降的空間嗎\n來 財政部一定是問經濟部我們只要開放美國的這個關稅2.5%就要對所有的國家開同樣的關稅2.5%所以美國的車不見得進來其他的國家的車都進來那其他的車如果他真的也有這個競爭力的話呢\n本土的產業我們會受到傷害所以我說對準關稅我們保護本土產業很久了啦我們保護本土產業已經非常久了這個我當然知道為什麼我們一直維持高利率但是我必須說以台灣的消費者來說大家期待汽車關稅降價其實也很久了台灣的汽車關稅一直是偏高的因為保護本土產業好再來保健食品\n那時候曾經經濟部說可以研究降低我也覺得這個很離譜可不可以我再用我總諮詢寶貴的時間為大家請命保健食品我們台灣本土的保健食品就非常的強\n還有30%來保護啊對 我們這國內自己的產品嘛我們希望國人能夠愛用國人的產品嘛你就是保護嘛你就是保護嘛對消費者有好處嗎對消費者當然是好處啊好 院長 我在這邊就直接跟你說我們有很多就是在因應這次的整個的貿易關稅戰還有半導體戰\n院長真的要親自的讀經我建議你每個禮拜把幾個部長把我們經貿辦公室的主任偷找過來去盯每一個進度這件事情是重中之重好不好這很重要另外呢我們已經在做我們把它做得更密集像這樣對等關稅的談判我們朝\n雙方有利,但是我剛才不好意思說啦我們江文樂次長他所見到的成績極低啦台積電能夠見到的成績我們的次長是見不到的\n您也知道可是所以我覺得有些我們可以透過你看韓國瑜這些大企業家就寫美國商務部長嘛對不對他是直接告訴你你一家要投資多少錢我們也可以透過我們的企業界如果我們企業界真的要去的話去摸底然後去傳達我們可以在中美貿易順暢上我們可以做些什麼\n至少我們會有因應知道嘛好 我因為我時間很有限了我還是要講一下有關於普發現金我剛才有注意院長針對剛才副總召回答你的意思說也不應該是說全部都普發現金啦還有其他的部分在\n在2023年的時候所提出來的特別條例裡面包含普發先進6000塊裡面還包括撥補勞保基金還有包括撥補健保當時是一個package當時是一個package而我們當時也接受了\n好但是我们真的既然全民的税收的果实就应该要还给人民嘛不要再给我搞一些什么你们算错了这个错了那个错错什么错啊你们财政部的新闻搞\n我們不知道開了幾十年你現在告訴我說怎麼出錯這個稅收超徵出錯可以凹嗎?硬凹成這樣這個我今天齁我今天放過行政院啊你們有多少在總計算裡面造謠的啊你們連稅收超徵都可以造謠啊所以院長院長在這個普發現金的部分齁\n好 謝謝王宏威委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.404 --> 00:14.468\n好謝謝主席我請卓院長還有邱部長麻煩請卓院長邱太元邱部長邱部長備詢王委員好好部長院長好部長好委員好\n\n00:27.702 --> 00:45.124\n星期天我想院長也有受邀到總統官邸去烤肉那麼在同一時間其實早在春節過後我們各大醫院的急診室塞滿了病患而且前幾天發生一件旱事\n\n00:46.445 --> 01:10.665\n就是有一位南部醫院醫學中心的病人因為他找不到ICU的病床沒有辦法開刀所以一直輾轉的找各大醫院花了8個小時才動刀但是後來非常不幸的過世這件事情其實震撼了醫界也震撼了台灣\n\n01:11.906 --> 01:26.387\n我想可能院長和部長都記得20年前台北市曾經發生邱小妹事件當時這個邱小妹她是受虐兒她就是在各大醫院的急診室變成人球\n\n01:27.108 --> 01:42.415\n所以後來他一直到台中才收了這個病人當時包含當時的衛生署包含當時的醫界全面去檢討我們的制度發生了什麼樣的問題\n\n01:43.752 --> 02:13.075\n沒想到20年後我們又看到了這樣的情景所以院長我知道你是受邀參加我們也看到很多照片那大家非常開心的吃烤肉但是當民眾受苦在急診室裡面等病床或者輾轉在路上找不到急診院沒有辦法開到的時候難免會讓大家覺得這是不是綠門酒肉臭路有病死骨\n\n02:14.263 --> 02:42.011\n這樣的狀況我們絕對絕對絕對要再避免當然我也知道部長這邊立刻召開了會議宣布了相關的所謂的這個三大因應對策還有兩大中長程的改革可是一般的議界不認為在短期內可以會被解決那我想請問一下\n\n02:43.331 --> 03:11.343\n部長除了這個比較屬於中長期或者因應對策之外有沒有一些可以緊急的方式立刻能夠解決從春節以來大家塞爆在急診室好像有如戰地甚至有人說急診他躺在地上這樣的一個情景有沒有機會有沒有可能在短期內可以得到紓解報告委員我想任何一個\n\n03:13.517 --> 03:28.877\n病人因為有傷亡我們真的是會非常的難過部長願意為這個事件而道歉嗎我想我如果以這個個案的話因為他是\n\n03:29.965 --> 03:57.250\n2月19號7點因為肚子痛所以到成大醫院成大醫院就急診團隊經過了診治以後判定他是因為部長這個狀況我們其實都從媒體報導很清楚所以我想請問部長這個事件我們政府該不該道歉兩件事情跟委員報告第一個容許我簡單的說明就是前一天的餐敘是\n\n03:59.192 --> 04:13.049\n總統或是行政院在開議之前例行的所以那個參敘是總統是自掏腰包沒有問到公費但這個不代表我們對這個事情的不關心我從2月10號年後放假結束第一天我就跟衛部講\n\n04:13.610 --> 04:37.672\n他們提出的那個兩三個禮拜才能紓解急診用篩情形我非常的在意不能這樣做到你不滿意嗎2月10號有交代2月19號發生這個漢字我剛才問部長院沒有到院長你要不要為這件事情而道歉好第二件事情是成大的那個案件我們精查起來他沒有轉轉好幾個醫院找不到他是由台南成大直接沒有錯還是找不到啊他還是\n\n04:39.854 --> 05:04.714\n所以老師的時間關係老師講部長啊部長你們現在這個方式現在醫界根本都不認為你們能夠解決我就覺得很奇怪了為什麼要有一個醫院一個一個打我們打詐鬥儀表板我們各大醫院難道不能夠把他的急診病床他的ICU病床\n\n05:06.435 --> 05:33.335\n直接的通報讓很多的醫院可以一目了然他可以知道他立刻可以送到哪一個醫院而不是一個一個打電話所以這個部分因為今天時間非常有限我希望你們的現實趕快的去解決所以我請教部長一個星期內可不可以解決現在急診室裡面的亂象苦民所苦\n\n05:34.107 --> 05:52.755\n報告委員我們從2月8日2月13日還有昨天都是召集全國的急診還有大醫院的院長還有醫師公會都一起討論我們提出的這三個策略以及未來要做的事情一個禮拜內會不會解決吧你不要告訴我中長期了大家所決定的都是一樣的所以\n\n05:53.215 --> 05:59.964\n我們會一起努力那我想從昨天來看我再下一個我直接再切入這一個事件還有包含已經比較舒緩了還有衛福部次長林靜儀次長直接在網路上去嗆醫生\n\n06:11.678 --> 06:35.440\n院長說要謹言慎行那林靜怡這個次長她過去有很多的失言她過去很多政治性的失言但是這件事情她是直接去叫基層的醫生搞到醫生哀莫大於心死決定要離職所以院長除了要謹言慎行的話林靜怡次長該不該下台以事負責呢\n\n06:36.441 --> 07:00.800\n當初我跟邱部長我們請林靜儀次長來是因為他的專業以及在立法院他也有相當豐富的經驗那這一次的他的失言我覺得是相當嚴重我請部長能夠對他面對的那位醫師要做出懲處嗎安慰那位醫師給他最多的關懷照顧表示歉意那我也希望邱部長能夠跟林次長未來在\n\n07:01.720 --> 07:29.527\n內部的業務上的執行一定要比現在更加倍加倍的小心這完全沒有苦民所苦啦另外有件事情我要為這次的吹哨者請命因為這個事件就是我們剛談到那個成大醫院這個成大醫院的病人那他當然是有一個吹哨者一個護理師把這個事情曝光了所以我在這邊要請院長跟部長跟我承諾不會秋後算帳\n\n07:30.763 --> 07:34.647\n絕對不會秋後算帳事實上我們現在已經有階幣者保護法如果秋後算帳事實上還會有違法的問題任何基於事實給予我們這種中心的建議或是批評我們都虛心的接受而且表示感謝\n\n07:50.054 --> 08:17.091\n這一次這個急診的狀況事實上我們自己作為民代我們第一線都有感受為什麼呢大家都知道我們會有很多選民服務所以很多的選民會來拜託我昨天晚上還在處理就是在那邊等了四天在急診室裡等了四天也等不到病床我知道可能有人更久但是我覺得今天如果我們將心比心\n\n08:18.292 --> 08:39.233\n將心比心到了急診室都完全等不到病床那種心情的焦急所以我剛才跟部長講其實我們緊急事件是有很多方式比如說像這樣子大家說地區醫院要負起責任來我們地區的衛生局這個事件高雄衛生局說不知道\n\n08:40.995 --> 08:56.853\n如果我們有一些它並不是只有醫學中心可以處理的事實上我是建議不是你們自己關起門來一直在開會你們還要去結合各地區的衛生局對不對我剛才講你們也可以做一個儀表板\n\n08:57.634 --> 09:14.187\n把醫學中心、地區醫院這些他的病床病人數通通集合起來然後讓所有的醫院在很短暫的時間裡面他可以知道他可以怎麼樣的去輸送病人這點非常重要\n\n09:16.481 --> 09:35.460\n他們現在初步有統計的結果他們還有各醫院執行的狀況就是陳獨委員剛剛所建議的我們應變中心緊急救護中心它有四大急症台南成大這個個案剛好不是屬於這四大\n\n09:38.988 --> 09:48.901\n你看他還不是急診早了8小時人死掉了院長啊這個事情喔這個事情要快速解決對不起因為我時間因為我還有很多要來好不好\n\n09:51.004 --> 10:16.736\n昨天早上我要求第一個這個因為社會不解不了解我們用了什麼方式解決問題要讓社會了解第二個病人不安這不是社會解不解決連醫院都不知道這些問題怎麼解決你還要讓社會怎麼解決病人都躺在急診室裡面你要讓他知道你怎麼解決病人非常的不安一定要做好這些說明的工作讓醫院都知道吧再來人力不足我們要快速地來提升人力醫院竟然要一個個打電話我們現在是什麼時代啊他的系統完成了\n\n10:20.097 --> 10:20.538\n請邱部長麻煩請NCC\n\n10:49.708 --> 11:08.877\n好我們代理主委院長在今年農曆春節一結束有一件事情也引發極大民眾的抗議跟憤怒就是NCC突然的公告就是攜帶包含藍牙跟Wi-Fi電子傳輸的相關的產品設備要課一件750塊錢的一個檢驗費\n\n11:16.961 --> 11:31.495\n這個事情後來鬧到沸沸揚揚引起重大的民怨最後這個NCC現在的狀況是叫做所謂的暫緩只是暫緩收取而已\n\n11:32.276 --> 11:53.917\n以現在來講也就是說你不管是輸入或輸出都要在Easyway的這個NCC的一個切結書你要先填寫切結書而且這個切結書你一定要說同意喔同意檢驗你不同意還送不出去然後呢告訴你以後還是會收好所以\n\n11:55.910 --> 12:09.846\n這個引起重大民怨的事件到現在為止好像你以為消聲匿跡了嗎不是啊NCC只不過是緩兵之計說暫緩收取我們還不曉得什麼時候要收取\n\n12:10.467 --> 12:33.345\n那未來收取要多少錢通通不知道所以所有的消費者還是覺得非常的忐忑而且這件事情讓大家覺得政府搶錢搶得太過分了所以院長我相信你們的輿情蒐集一定有這個議題院長現在你同意NCC用暫緩收取的方式來做緩兵之計嗎\n\n12:36.394 --> 13:04.922\n年後我們也發現這個問題所以當天跟NCC通過這個溝通之後因為到底是一個獨立機關由他們來了解社會的反應以及大家希望怎麼樣處置所以當天他們就做下來了我們現在是支持NCC做這樣的決定收還是不收你現在不過緩兵之際啊大家不知道你收不收收還是不收跟委員報告這個案子我們經過依歸廢法相關規定含包財政部取得這個停征的\n\n13:05.509 --> 13:24.729\n同意他尊重我們的決議所以目前就是沒有不再收取費用所以確定不收對不對我們現在就不再收取費用你現在不收取你未來不收取現在只是暫緩喔你告訴我你的公文上只是暫緩喔所以你是現在不收取未來可能收取嗎\n\n13:25.848 --> 13:47.941\n我們函報財政部之前是暫緩收取那函報財政部之後財政部的答覆是尊重我們停徵你還是沒有回答問題好我來問院長這事情他這樣給我呼嚨啊你再繼續給我呼嚨吧是決定暫緩可是函請財政部說明之後財政部尊重NCC所以現在NCC的決定是就停徵了\n\n13:48.881 --> 13:57.805\n所以停針院長講的喔我們這邊是有記錄是不是這樣尊重這個獨立機關所以按照你的意思就是不收了嘛對不對是\n\n14:00.493 --> 14:26.415\n不收了那請NCC那今天當然這個是有記錄的請NCC用一個新聞稿的方式或文字的方式來告知消費者因為我們到現在還有很多的消費者在詢問我們這個議題覺得說會不會以後還要收因為你都同意他檢驗然後審查金額待確認之後再通知你來繳這個審查費大家很害怕\n\n14:27.597 --> 14:40.031\n他寫不同意又送不出去同意他不曉得他什麼時候要被charge這個費用所以現在不收請用文字用新聞稿的方式來告知所有的消費者可不可以\n\n14:41.208 --> 15:09.413\n好可以好謝謝我先報告我一句話現在他的決定是要我們尊重獨立機關NCC但是這個原意是要阻止一些非法的網購我這個就是要問消費者對以色列法院裡面的這個建議所以還是要有防弊的措施讓他們去研議防弊的措施但是不以收費來當作一個期碼的方式好不好你要防治這些防弊你們就去做防弊但是這個收費既然這個一言既出嘛是嘛\n\n15:09.673 --> 15:21.025\n那個司馬南錐好來那個時間暫停一下請那個代理主委先回先回座那我現在接著請我們經濟部長郭部長麻煩請經濟部備選好\n\n15:30.888 --> 15:54.506\n院長部長這個是一個非常重大的議題從川普總統上台之後那麼他立刻啟動了全球的關稅站院長知道台灣在美國的貿易順差就是是美國的貿易順差的國家我們排第幾名您知道嗎\n\n15:57.968 --> 16:24.537\n第六名然後去年我們對美貿易順差的成績非常好按照美國商務部的統計大概是740億將近740億美元我們本來也很沾沾自喜因為我們本來就希望我們能降低對中國大陸市場的依賴我們成功的開拓了美國市場可是美國人不高興啊\n\n16:25.575 --> 16:46.714\n美國人非常不高興,你點頭嘛,同意啊美國很不高興,所以現在只要你是在美國貿易宣傳國前幾名的大家每一個都屁屁剉,瑟瑟發抖所以呢,最近包含泰國的商務部長趕快跑到美國去\n\n16:47.762 --> 17:07.681\n然後韓國的這些企業大老闆也跑到美國去趕快去書城啊說怎麼辦呢我要怎麼做美國你才不要來報復我懲罰我啊很重要那麼我們呢也派了我們的次長經濟部的次長江文若江次長美女次長\n\n17:08.899 --> 17:27.111\n但是問題是院長這麼重大的事情我們的美女次長見到了什麼樣的成績不管是美國商務部或者貿易代表署見到什麼成績您知道嗎雙方的貿易平衡這個是國際間往來一個對等相當重要的原則所以我們並\n\n17:27.927 --> 17:50.551\n不全然沾沾自喜我們對美國的貿易順差我們希望雙方能夠平衡但是就產業面來講我們是一個現在產業供應鏈重要的角色所以多輸出一些高科技產品這也是必然的現象我想這個經過理解之後我們再從其他的方面來平衡這個貿易那麼經濟部江文若次長去到美國他一定有他的安排跟管道\n\n17:50.891 --> 18:13.484\n那見到誰您知道嗎?他有跟您報告嗎?或者部長有跟您報告嗎?或者我們的副院長有跟您報告嗎?因為副院長每個禮拜都在主持相關的會議啊到底院長知不知道?姜文若到底見到誰?姜文若次長去之前我當然知道去之後不曉得見到誰但是我們通過了解整個過程我要必須講這就是一個警訊\n\n18:19.068 --> 18:48.087\n這就是一個警訊這個事情你要親自的去監督因為這個事情對台灣太重要了台灣本來就是以一個貿易出差為導向的一個經濟體當美國的市場對我們已經越來越重要已經達到四分之一然後現在中國大陸市場包含香港是三分之一我們一直希望說降低對中國的這個市場的依賴\n\n18:49.148 --> 19:00.660\n但是對美國我剛才講了我們的順差數字節節高升川普絕對不高興那我也覺得奇怪了部長你去年去了幾次美國啊\n\n19:01.738 --> 19:29.634\n你去年去了幾次美國一次去了一次對不對那你這次為什麼你自己不親自去呢我剛才說泰國的商務部長趕快去他去了以後立刻他都很公開的他說我們要跟美國買你的什麼這個石油買你的大豆買你的玉米告訴大家就直接跟美國坦誠布公我要跟你買東西呀你不要報復我\n\n19:31.240 --> 19:58.611\n泰國這些企業對不起韓國的企業界他們見到了美國商務部長新任商務部長然後直接講交易每一家拿出十億美金你們就有特殊待遇我們就給你服務商場如戰場尤其部長是從這個商場出來的我就不懂了部長為什麼你不親自去美國啊為什麼不親自去爭取好再來\n\n20:00.131 --> 20:23.286\n我很生氣的是,從川普上任之後,我們就想發文給經濟部說你們應該要知道對哪些的產業,對台灣的哪些產業會受影響你們給我啊,輕描淡寫啦,說看起來沒有受什麼影響啊沒有受什麼影響才怪咧\n\n20:25.106 --> 20:53.007\n所有的企業界大家都笑得要死那另外院長我請教您我在這邊為什麼請教院長我不是考你我是說你一定要親自盯這件事情我請問你你知不知道我們的這些大的伺服器跟代工廠會在川普上任百日之前會訪問美國加碼投資美國這件事情您知道嗎\n\n20:54.172 --> 21:19.664\n我知道現在我們有一些工協會的組織已經去到美國去做一些現場的一些訪問那麼他們希望就他的生產的佈局能夠有所調整那這個第一個我們當然尊重產業界自己的決定再來我們也希望在全球戰略佈局情況底下政府也能夠跟產業界有一些接觸好你說尊重齁已經在做這些接觸了你說尊重齁\n\n21:21.274 --> 21:45.695\n那麼現在都傳出因為這個產業鏈這個我們總統說民主產業鏈嘛如果當台積電一直加碼到美國投資而我們包含電電工會的這些大型企業都要到美國去投資現在甚至傳出德州要成立一個所謂的德州竹科所以現在不是只有台積電要搬到美國去\n\n21:46.596 --> 21:54.402\n我們還擔心竹科都要搬到美國去所以在這樣的一個趨勢下我們有沒有相對應的政策我剛才說了嘛我們不要怕丟臉啦人家泰國也不怕丟臉啦告訴你我要買什麼好我再來因為時間很有限我再來跟那個院長跟部長就教\n\n22:10.165 --> 22:31.751\n越南墨西哥倒霉因為他們是最早被宣布直接charge你直接提高你的那個關稅25%後來他們以為跟我們沒關係嗎台商很可憐台商很可憐中美貿易戰開始之後很多的台灣非常優良的台商他們自己\n\n22:32.782 --> 22:50.052\n另外再布局為了怕美國對中國磕針關碎他們跑到越南他們跑到墨西哥然後現在別說我們已投資越南什麼富士康合作人寶偽創加斯達維德統一一大堆一頭拉骨了\n\n22:51.203 --> 23:06.568\n我們到墨西哥越想說在美國旁邊降低成本因為我老講尤其傳統想要到美國去投資是不可能的啦美國也不歡迎啦因為那個成本太高我們到墨西哥鴻海音樂達緯壽合壽廣達維穎仁堡一大堆一坨拉肚\n\n23:12.301 --> 23:28.937\n我就覺得奇怪了我們經濟部竟然對於我們墨西哥的台商對於我們越南的台商都沒有任何的來關心所以我要講的說我們這一次是面對一個極大極大的挑戰\n\n23:31.192 --> 23:52.812\n我老實講,為什麼我們還在搞什麼大罷免,不大罷免?我們對各個國家的台商都有關心,請部長發布報告委員,墨西哥的台商有300家,我談了60家等一下,我還有其他問題,好來這個我是很直接的,這是我有直接的主張\n\n23:54.451 --> 24:23.206\n因為我們面對貿易戰我們必須老講我們必須要降低對美國的貿易審查說實在我們是第六名就會被人家當成眼中釘所以我們可能要去增加採購美國的產品現在看起來我覺得能源是其中一項能源可能要加碼投資我知道現在其實能源從美國採購能源已經進入前十名了另外\n\n24:24.932 --> 24:50.493\n汽车我们的台湾的汽车关税17.5%美国2.5%美国的汽车的关税如果按照这样子差那么多倍我们是不是可以降低美国汽车的关税我觉得这是很多消费者我们很多的消费者请命了\n\n24:51.428 --> 25:08.244\n大家希望看到如果我們針對這個貿易戰如果我們有些產品必須降稅的話美國的汽車我們可不可以降稅這一點還有一個很重要的保健食品這個我其實我當時在這個我們財政部長立刻來了\n\n25:10.197 --> 25:25.463\n我在財委會保健食品我們的關稅高到不行30%所以我們很多人只要一出國你有朋友親朋好友在美國一定要讓你去買什麼什麼維他命C啊維古力啊巴黎大堆啊各式各樣我們台灣保健食品關稅30%全世界\n\n25:32.489 --> 25:45.314\n中國也8.5%日本14.5%韓國8%美國6.4%請問我們到底在高什麼我們的關稅到底在高什麼台灣的老百姓要吃一些保健食品要付出這麼大的代價嗎\n\n25:46.587 --> 26:02.553\n委員我四個決議跟你報告我們開了很多次會議只有四點我覺得很重要的決議很簡單說明第一個我們一定跟產業界合作台灣保持先進科技的領先地位第二個任何產業界到外國去做戰略佈局\n\n26:03.393 --> 26:28.204\n絕對不能讓台灣的產業空洞化第三個我們全力的向國際來做爭取避免不公平的關稅針對台灣的任何一個產業第四個如果是涉入到這種對等關稅的談判我們距離力爭在雙方最有力的情況底下我們來做最好的爭取院長其實你回答很空耗那我請問兩大部長都在這邊我們的汽車關稅可以有下降的空間嗎\n\n26:32.139 --> 26:46.473\n來財政部一定是問經濟部我們只要開放美國的這個關稅2.5%就要對所有的國家開同樣的關稅2.5%所以美國的車不見得進來其他的國家的車都進來那其他的車如果他真的也有這個競爭力的話呢\n\n26:53.396 --> 27:20.113\n本土的產業我們會受到傷害所以我說對準關稅我們保護本土產業很久了啦我們保護本土產業已經非常久了這個我當然知道為什麼我們一直維持高利率但是我必須說以台灣的消費者來說大家期待汽車關稅降價其實也很久了台灣的汽車關稅一直是偏高的因為保護本土產業好再來保健食品\n\n27:21.277 --> 27:35.464\n那時候曾經經濟部說可以研究降低我也覺得這個很離譜可不可以我再用我總諮詢寶貴的時間為大家請命保健食品我們台灣本土的保健食品就非常的強\n\n27:38.907 --> 28:02.774\n還有30%來保護啊對我們這國內自己的產品嘛我們希望國人能夠愛用國人的產品嘛你就是保護嘛你就是保護嘛對消費者有好處嗎對消費者當然是好處啊好院長我在這邊就直接跟你說我們有很多就是在因應這次的整個的貿易關稅戰還有半導體戰\n\n28:06.533 --> 28:33.793\n院長真的要親自的讀經我建議你每個禮拜把幾個部長把我們經貿辦公室的主任偷找過來去盯每一個進度這件事情是重中之重好不好這很重要另外呢我們已經在做我們把它做得更密集像這樣對等關稅的談判我們朝\n\n28:34.816 --> 28:47.978\n雙方有利,但是我剛才不好意思說啦我們江文樂次長他所見到的成績極低啦台積電能夠見到的成績我們的次長是見不到的\n\n28:49.465 --> 29:11.767\n您也知道可是所以我覺得有些我們可以透過你看韓國瑜這些大企業家就寫美國商務部長嘛對不對他是直接告訴你你一家要投資多少錢我們也可以透過我們的企業界如果我們企業界真的要去的話去摸底然後去傳達我們可以在中美貿易順暢上我們可以做些什麼\n\n29:12.833 --> 29:31.052\n至少我們會有因應知道嘛好我因為我時間很有限了我還是要講一下有關於普發現金我剛才有注意院長針對剛才副總召回答你的意思說也不應該是說全部都普發現金啦還有其他的部分在\n\n29:34.936 --> 29:56.297\n在2023年的時候所提出來的特別條例裡面包含普發先進6000塊裡面還包括撥補勞保基金還有包括撥補健保當時是一個package當時是一個package而我們當時也接受了\n\n29:56.937 --> 30:13.144\n好但是我们真的既然全民的税收的果实就应该要还给人民嘛不要再给我搞一些什么你们算错了这个错了那个错错什么错啊你们财政部的新闻搞\n\n30:14.557 --> 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早了8小時人死掉了院長啊 這個事情喔 這個事情要快速解決對不起 因為我時間 因為我還有很多要來 好不好"},{"start":591.004,"end":616.736,"text":"昨天早上我要求第一個這個因為社會不解不了解我們用了什麼方式解決問題要讓社會了解第二個病人不安這不是社會解不解決連醫院都不知道這些問題怎麼解決你還要讓社會怎麼解決病人都躺在急診室裡面你要讓他知道你怎麼解決病人非常的不安一定要做好這些說明的工作讓醫院都知道吧再來人力不足我們要快速地來提升人力醫院竟然要一個個打電話我們現在是什麼時代啊他的系統完成了"},{"start":620.097,"end":620.538,"text":"請邱部長 麻煩請NCC"},{"start":649.708,"end":668.877,"text":"好 我們代理主委 院長在今年農曆春節一結束有一件事情也引發極大民眾的抗議跟憤怒就是NCC突然的公告就是攜帶包含藍牙跟Wi-Fi電子傳輸的相關的產品設備要課一件750塊錢的一個檢驗費"},{"start":676.961,"end":691.495,"text":"這個事情後來鬧到沸沸揚揚引起重大的民怨最後這個NCC現在的狀況是叫做所謂的暫緩只是暫緩收取而已"},{"start":692.276,"end":713.917,"text":"以現在來講也就是說你不管是輸入或輸出都要在Easyway的這個NCC的一個切結書你要先填寫切結書而且這個切結書你一定要說同意喔同意檢驗你不同意還送不出去然後呢告訴你以後還是會收好所以"},{"start":715.91,"end":729.846,"text":"這個引起重大民怨的事件到現在為止好像你以為消聲匿跡了嗎不是啊NCC只不過是緩兵之計說暫緩收取我們還不曉得什麼時候要收取"},{"start":730.467,"end":753.345,"text":"那未來收取要多少錢通通不知道所以所有的消費者還是覺得非常的忐忑而且這件事情讓大家覺得政府搶錢搶得太過分了所以院長我相信你們的輿情蒐集一定有這個議題院長現在你同意NCC用暫緩收取的方式來做緩兵之計嗎"},{"start":756.394,"end":784.922,"text":"年後我們也發現這個問題所以當天跟NCC通過這個溝通之後因為到底是一個獨立機關由他們來了解社會的反應以及大家希望怎麼樣處置所以當天他們就做下來了我們現在是支持NCC做這樣的決定收還是不收你現在不過緩兵之際啊大家不知道你收不收收還是不收跟委員報告這個案子我們經過依歸廢法相關規定含包財政部取得這個停征的"},{"start":785.509,"end":804.729,"text":"同意他尊重我們的決議所以目前就是沒有不再收取費用所以確定不收對不對我們現在就不再收取費用你現在不收取你未來不收取現在只是暫緩喔你告訴我你的公文上只是暫緩喔所以你是現在不收取未來可能收取嗎"},{"start":805.848,"end":827.941,"text":"我們函報財政部之前是暫緩收取那函報財政部之後財政部的答覆是尊重我們停徵你還是沒有回答問題好我來問院長這事情他這樣給我呼嚨啊你再繼續給我呼嚨吧是決定暫緩可是函請財政部說明之後財政部尊重NCC所以現在NCC的決定是就停徵了"},{"start":828.881,"end":837.805,"text":"所以停針 院長講的喔 我們這邊是有記錄是不是這樣尊重這個獨立機關所以按照你的意思就是不收了嘛對不對是"},{"start":840.493,"end":866.415,"text":"不收了那請NCC那今天當然這個是有記錄的請NCC用一個新聞稿的方式或文字的方式來告知消費者因為我們到現在還有很多的消費者在詢問我們這個議題覺得說會不會以後還要收因為你都同意他檢驗然後審查金額待確認之後再通知你來繳這個審查費大家很害怕"},{"start":867.597,"end":880.031,"text":"他寫不同意又送不出去同意他不曉得他什麼時候要被charge這個費用所以現在不收請用文字用新聞稿的方式來告知所有的消費者可不可以"},{"start":881.208,"end":909.413,"text":"好可以好謝謝我先報告我一句話現在他的決定是要我們尊重獨立機關NCC但是這個原意是要阻止一些非法的網購我這個就是要問消費者對以色列法院裡面的這個建議所以還是要有防弊的措施讓他們去研議防弊的措施但是不以收費來當作一個期碼的方式好不好你要防治這些防弊你們就去做防弊但是這個收費既然這個一言既出嘛是嘛"},{"start":909.673,"end":921.025,"text":"那個司馬南錐好來那個時間暫停一下請那個代理主委先回先回座那我現在接著請我們經濟部長郭部長麻煩請經濟部備選好"},{"start":930.888,"end":954.506,"text":"院長部長這個是一個非常重大的議題從川普總統上台之後那麼他立刻啟動了全球的關稅站院長知道台灣在美國的貿易順差就是是美國的貿易順差的國家我們排第幾名您知道嗎"},{"start":957.968,"end":984.537,"text":"第六名然後去年我們對美貿易順差的成績非常好按照美國商務部的統計大概是740億將近740億美元我們本來也很沾沾自喜因為我們本來就希望我們能降低對中國大陸市場的依賴我們成功的開拓了美國市場可是美國人不高興啊"},{"start":985.575,"end":1006.714,"text":"美國人非常不高興,你點頭嘛,同意啊美國很不高興,所以現在只要你是在美國貿易宣傳國前幾名的大家每一個都屁屁剉,瑟瑟發抖所以呢,最近包含泰國的商務部長趕快跑到美國去"},{"start":1007.762,"end":1027.681,"text":"然後韓國的這些企業大老闆也跑到美國去趕快去書城啊說怎麼辦呢我要怎麼做美國你才不要來報復我懲罰我啊很重要那麼我們呢也派了我們的次長經濟部的次長江文若江次長美女次長"},{"start":1028.899,"end":1047.111,"text":"但是問題是院長這麼重大的事情我們的美女次長見到了什麼樣的成績不管是美國商務部或者貿易代表署見到什麼成績您知道嗎雙方的貿易平衡這個是國際間往來一個對等相當重要的原則所以我們並"},{"start":1047.927,"end":1070.551,"text":"不全然沾沾自喜我們對美國的貿易順差我們希望雙方能夠平衡但是就產業面來講我們是一個現在產業供應鏈重要的角色所以多輸出一些高科技產品這也是必然的現象我想這個經過理解之後我們再從其他的方面來平衡這個貿易那麼經濟部江文若次長去到美國他一定有他的安排跟管道"},{"start":1070.891,"end":1093.484,"text":"那見到誰您知道嗎?他有跟您報告嗎?或者部長有跟您報告嗎?或者我們的副院長有跟您報告嗎?因為副院長每個禮拜都在主持相關的會議啊到底院長知不知道?姜文若到底見到誰?姜文若次長去之前我當然知道去之後不曉得見到誰但是我們通過了解整個過程我要必須講這就是一個警訊"},{"start":1099.068,"end":1128.087,"text":"這就是一個警訊這個事情你要親自的去監督因為這個事情對台灣太重要了台灣本來就是以一個貿易出差為導向的一個經濟體當美國的市場對我們已經越來越重要已經達到四分之一然後現在中國大陸市場包含香港是三分之一我們一直希望說降低對中國的這個市場的依賴"},{"start":1129.148,"end":1140.66,"text":"但是對美國我剛才講了我們的順差數字節節高升川普絕對不高興那我也覺得奇怪了部長你去年去了幾次美國啊"},{"start":1141.738,"end":1169.634,"text":"你去年去了幾次美國一次去了一次對不對那你這次為什麼你自己不親自去呢我剛才說泰國的商務部長趕快去他去了以後立刻他都很公開的他說我們要跟美國買你的什麼這個石油買你的大豆買你的玉米告訴大家就直接跟美國坦誠布公我要跟你買東西呀你不要報復我"},{"start":1171.24,"end":1198.611,"text":"泰國這些企業 對不起 韓國的企業界他們見到了美國商務部長 新任商務部長然後直接講交易每一家拿出十億美金你們就有特殊待遇 我們就給你服務商場如戰場尤其部長是從這個商場出來的我就不懂了部長 為什麼你不親自去美國啊為什麼不親自去爭取好 再來"},{"start":1200.131,"end":1223.286,"text":"我很生氣的是,從川普上任之後,我們就想發文給經濟部說你們應該要知道對哪些的產業,對台灣的哪些產業會受影響你們給我啊,輕描淡寫啦,說看起來沒有受什麼影響啊沒有受什麼影響才怪咧"},{"start":1225.106,"end":1253.007,"text":"所有的企業界大家都笑得要死那另外院長我請教您我在這邊為什麼請教院長我不是考你我是說你一定要親自盯這件事情我請問你你知不知道我們的這些大的伺服器跟代工廠會在川普上任百日之前會訪問美國加碼投資美國這件事情您知道嗎"},{"start":1254.172,"end":1279.664,"text":"我知道現在我們有一些工協會的組織已經去到美國去做一些現場的一些訪問那麼他們希望就他的生產的佈局能夠有所調整那這個第一個我們當然尊重產業界自己的決定再來我們也希望在全球戰略佈局情況底下政府也能夠跟產業界有一些接觸好你說尊重齁已經在做這些接觸了你說尊重齁"},{"start":1281.274,"end":1305.695,"text":"那麼現在都傳出因為這個產業鏈這個我們總統說民主產業鏈嘛如果當台積電一直加碼到美國投資而我們包含電電工會的這些大型企業都要到美國去投資現在甚至傳出德州要成立一個所謂的德州竹科所以現在不是只有台積電要搬到美國去"},{"start":1306.596,"end":1314.402,"text":"我們還擔心竹科都要搬到美國去所以在這樣的一個趨勢下我們有沒有相對應的政策我剛才說了嘛我們不要怕丟臉啦人家泰國也不怕丟臉啦告訴你我要買什麼好我再來因為時間很有限我再來跟那個院長跟部長就教"},{"start":1330.165,"end":1351.751,"text":"越南墨西哥倒霉 因為他們是最早被宣布直接charge你 直接提高你的那個關稅25%後來他們以為跟我們沒關係嗎台商很可憐 台商很可憐中美貿易戰開始之後 很多的台灣非常優良的台商他們自己"},{"start":1352.782,"end":1370.052,"text":"另外再布局為了怕美國對中國磕針關碎他們跑到越南他們跑到墨西哥然後現在別說我們已投資越南什麼富士康合作人寶偽創加斯達維德統一一大堆一頭拉骨了"},{"start":1371.203,"end":1386.568,"text":"我們到墨西哥越想說在美國旁邊降低成本因為我老講尤其傳統想要到美國去投資是不可能的啦美國也不歡迎啦因為那個成本太高我們到墨西哥 鴻海 音樂達 緯壽 合壽 廣達 維穎 仁堡一大堆一坨拉肚"},{"start":1392.301,"end":1408.937,"text":"我就覺得奇怪了我們經濟部竟然對於我們墨西哥的台商對於我們越南的台商都沒有任何的來關心所以我要講的說我們這一次是面對一個極大極大的挑戰"},{"start":1411.192,"end":1432.812,"text":"我老實講,為什麼我們還在搞什麼大罷免,不大罷免?我們對各個國家的台商都有關心,請部長發布報告委員,墨西哥的台商有300家,我談了60家等一下,我還有其他問題,好來這個我是很直接的,這是我有直接的主張"},{"start":1434.451,"end":1463.206,"text":"因為我們面對貿易戰我們必須老講我們必須要降低對美國的貿易審查說實在我們是第六名就會被人家當成眼中釘所以我們可能要去增加採購美國的產品現在看起來我覺得能源是其中一項能源可能要加碼投資我知道現在其實能源從美國採購能源已經進入前十名了另外"},{"start":1464.932,"end":1490.493,"text":"汽车我们的台湾的汽车关税17.5%美国2.5%美国的汽车的关税如果按照这样子差那么多倍我们是不是可以降低美国汽车的关税我觉得这是很多消费者我们很多的消费者请命了"},{"start":1491.428,"end":1508.244,"text":"大家希望看到如果我們針對這個貿易戰如果我們有些產品必須降稅的話美國的汽車我們可不可以降稅這一點還有一個很重要的保健食品這個我其實我當時在這個我們財政部長立刻來了"},{"start":1510.197,"end":1525.463,"text":"我在財委會保健食品我們的關稅高到不行30%所以我們很多人只要一出國你有朋友親朋好友在美國一定要讓你去買什麼什麼維他命C啊 維古力啊 巴黎大堆啊各式各樣我們台灣保健食品關稅30%全世界"},{"start":1532.489,"end":1545.314,"text":"中國也8.5% 日本14.5% 韓國8% 美國6.4%請問我們到底在高什麼 我們的關稅到底在高什麼台灣的老百姓要吃一些保健食品要付出這麼大的代價嗎"},{"start":1546.587,"end":1562.553,"text":"委員我四個決議跟你報告我們開了很多次會議只有四點我覺得很重要的決議很簡單說明第一個我們一定跟產業界合作台灣保持先進科技的領先地位第二個任何產業界到外國去做戰略佈局"},{"start":1563.393,"end":1588.204,"text":"絕對不能讓台灣的產業空洞化第三個我們全力的向國際來做爭取避免不公平的關稅針對台灣的任何一個產業第四個如果是涉入到這種對等關稅的談判我們距離力爭在雙方最有力的情況底下我們來做最好的爭取院長其實你回答很空耗那我請問兩大部長都在這邊我們的汽車關稅可以有下降的空間嗎"},{"start":1592.139,"end":1606.473,"text":"來 財政部一定是問經濟部我們只要開放美國的這個關稅2.5%就要對所有的國家開同樣的關稅2.5%所以美國的車不見得進來其他的國家的車都進來那其他的車如果他真的也有這個競爭力的話呢"},{"start":1613.396,"end":1640.113,"text":"本土的產業我們會受到傷害所以我說對準關稅我們保護本土產業很久了啦我們保護本土產業已經非常久了這個我當然知道為什麼我們一直維持高利率但是我必須說以台灣的消費者來說大家期待汽車關稅降價其實也很久了台灣的汽車關稅一直是偏高的因為保護本土產業好再來保健食品"},{"start":1641.277,"end":1655.464,"text":"那時候曾經經濟部說可以研究降低我也覺得這個很離譜可不可以我再用我總諮詢寶貴的時間為大家請命保健食品我們台灣本土的保健食品就非常的強"},{"start":1658.907,"end":1682.774,"text":"還有30%來保護啊對 我們這國內自己的產品嘛我們希望國人能夠愛用國人的產品嘛你就是保護嘛你就是保護嘛對消費者有好處嗎對消費者當然是好處啊好 院長 我在這邊就直接跟你說我們有很多就是在因應這次的整個的貿易關稅戰還有半導體戰"},{"start":1686.533,"end":1713.793,"text":"院長真的要親自的讀經我建議你每個禮拜把幾個部長把我們經貿辦公室的主任偷找過來去盯每一個進度這件事情是重中之重好不好這很重要另外呢我們已經在做我們把它做得更密集像這樣對等關稅的談判我們朝"},{"start":1714.816,"end":1727.978,"text":"雙方有利,但是我剛才不好意思說啦我們江文樂次長他所見到的成績極低啦台積電能夠見到的成績我們的次長是見不到的"},{"start":1729.465,"end":1751.767,"text":"您也知道可是所以我覺得有些我們可以透過你看韓國瑜這些大企業家就寫美國商務部長嘛對不對他是直接告訴你你一家要投資多少錢我們也可以透過我們的企業界如果我們企業界真的要去的話去摸底然後去傳達我們可以在中美貿易順暢上我們可以做些什麼"},{"start":1752.833,"end":1771.052,"text":"至少我們會有因應知道嘛好 我因為我時間很有限了我還是要講一下有關於普發現金我剛才有注意院長針對剛才副總召回答你的意思說也不應該是說全部都普發現金啦還有其他的部分在"},{"start":1774.936,"end":1796.297,"text":"在2023年的時候所提出來的特別條例裡面包含普發先進6000塊裡面還包括撥補勞保基金還有包括撥補健保當時是一個package當時是一個package而我們當時也接受了"},{"start":1796.937,"end":1813.144,"text":"好但是我们真的既然全民的税收的果实就应该要还给人民嘛不要再给我搞一些什么你们算错了这个错了那个错错什么错啊你们财政部的新闻搞"},{"start":1814.557,"end":1835.465,"text":"我們不知道開了幾十年你現在告訴我說怎麼出錯這個稅收超徵出錯可以凹嗎?硬凹成這樣這個我今天齁我今天放過行政院啊你們有多少在總計算裡面造謠的啊你們連稅收超徵都可以造謠啊所以院長院長在這個普發現金的部分齁"},{"start":1856.88,"end":1857.68,"text":"好 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，請代理主委先回座，我接著請經濟部郭部長。"],["主席：麻煩請經濟部備詢。"],["王委員鴻薇：院長、部長，這是一個非常重大的議題，川普總統上台之後，他立刻啟動全球的關稅戰，院長知道臺灣在美國貿易順差的國家中是排第幾名？您知道嗎？第六名！第六名！","去年我們對美貿易順差的成績非常好，按照美國商務部的統計，大概是將近740億美元，我們本來也很沾沾自喜，因為我們本來就希望能降低對中國大陸市場的依賴，我們成功的開拓了美國市場。可是美國人不高興啊，美國人非常不高興，您點頭嘛，同意哦？美國人很不高興，所以現在只要是在美國貿易順差國前幾名的國家，大家每個人都「咇咇掣」、瑟瑟發抖。所以最近包含泰國的商務部長也趕快跑到美國去，然後韓國的一些企業大老闆也跑到美國去，趕快去輸誠，看看要怎麼做美國才不要報復我、懲罰我，這很重要。","我們也派了經濟部次長──江文若次長過去，美女次長，但問題是，院長，這麼重大的事情，我們的美女次長見到了什麼樣的層級？不管是美國商務部或貿易代表署，他見到什麼層級，您知道嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：雙方的貿易平衡是國際間往來對等相當重要的原則，所以我們並不全然沾沾自喜我們對美國的貿易順差，我們希望雙方能夠平衡。但是就產業面來講，我們是現在產業供應鏈的重要角色，所以多輸出一些高科技產品也是必然的現象，我想這個經過理解之後，我們再從其他方面來平衡貿易。經濟部江文若次長去到美國，他一定有他的安排跟管道……"],["王委員鴻薇：他見到誰您知道嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：這個有的時候……"],["王委員鴻薇：他有跟您報告嗎？或者部長有跟您報告嗎？或我們的副院長有跟您報告嗎？因為副院長每個禮拜都在主持相關的會議啊！到底院長知不知道江文若到底見到誰？"],["卓院長榮泰：江文若次長去之前，我當然知道，而且……"],["王委員鴻薇：但是去之後不曉得見到誰？"],["卓院長榮泰：回來之後，我們不會一一去看他的行程……"],["王委員鴻薇：這就是……"],["卓院長榮泰：但是我們通盤了解整個過程。"],["王委員鴻薇：好，院長，我必須要講，這就是一個警訊！這個事情您要親自的去監督，因為這個事情對臺灣太重要了。"],["卓院長榮泰：好。"],["王委員鴻薇：臺灣本來就是以貿易出超為導向的經濟體，美國市場對我們來說已經越來越重要，已經達到四分之一，而現在中國大陸市場（包含香港）是三分之一，我們一直希望降低對中國市場的依賴，但是對於美國，我剛才講了，我們的順差數字節節高升，川普絕對不高興，但我也覺得奇怪了，部長，你去年去了幾次美國？你去年去了幾次美國？"],["郭部長智輝：一次。"],["王委員鴻薇：去了一次，對不對？"],["郭部長智輝：對。"],["王委員鴻薇：那你這次為什麼自己不親自去呢？我剛才說了泰國的商務部長趕快去，他去了以後立刻就很公開的說要跟美國買石油、買大豆、買玉米，告訴大家，就直接跟美國開誠布公的說要跟你買東西，你不要報復我。韓國的企業界，他們見到了美國新任的商務部長，然後直接講交易，每一家拿出10億美金，你們就有特殊待遇，我們就給你服務。商場如戰場，尤其部長是從商場出來的，我就不懂了，部長，為什麼你不親自去美國、為什麼不親自去爭取？","再來，我很生氣的是，從川普上任之後，我們就發文給經濟部，所以你們應該要知道，對臺灣的哪些產業會受影響，你們給我輕描淡寫，說看起來沒有受什麼影響。沒有受什麼影響才怪咧！所有的企業界大家都嚇得要死。","另外，院長，我請教您，我在這邊為什麼請教院長，我不是考你，我是說你一定要親自盯這件事情。"],["卓院長榮泰：好。"],["王委員鴻薇：我請問你，你知不知道我們這些大的伺服器代工廠，會在川普上任百日之前訪問美國，加碼投資美國，這件事情您知道嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：我知道現在我們有一些公協會組織已經去美國做一些現場訪問，他們希望就他的生產的布局能夠有所調整，對此，第一個，我們當然尊重產業界自己的決定；再來，我們也希望在全球戰略布局的情況底下，政府也能夠跟產業界有一些接觸，我們現在已經在做這些接觸了。"],["王委員鴻薇：好，你說尊重。現在都傳出因為這個產業鏈，我們總統說民主產業鏈，如果當台積電一直加碼到美國投資，而我們包含電電公會的這些大型企業都要到美國去投資，現在甚至傳出德州要成立一個所謂的德州竹科，所以現在不是只有台積電要搬到美國去，我們還擔心竹科都要搬到美國去。在這樣的一個趨勢下，我們有沒有相對應的政策？我剛才說了嘛，我們不要怕丟臉，人家泰國也不怕丟臉，告訴你，我要買什麼。","再來，因為時間很有限，我再來跟院長、跟部長就教。越南、墨西哥倒楣，因為他們是最早被宣布，直接charge你，直接提高你的關稅25%，好像我們以為這跟我們沒有關係嗎？臺商很可憐，中美貿易戰開始之後，很多臺灣非常優良的臺商他們自己另外在布局，為了怕美國對中國課徵關稅，他們跑到越南，他們跑到墨西哥，然後現在比如說我們已投資越南的包括富士康、和碩、仁寶、緯創、佳世達、味丹、統一等等一大堆，一拖拉庫，到墨西哥又想說在美國旁邊，降低成本，因為我老實講，尤其傳統廠商到美國去投資是不可能的啦，美國也不歡迎，因為它的成本太高。我們到墨西哥的有鴻海、英業達、緯創、和碩、廣達、緯穎、仁寶等等一大堆，一拖拉庫，我就覺得奇怪了，我們經濟部竟然對於墨西哥的臺商，對於我們的越南臺商都沒有任何的關心。所以我要講的是，我們這一次面對一個極大、極大的挑戰，我老實講，為什麼我們還在搞這個什麼大罷免不大罷免……"],["卓院長榮泰：我跟委員報告，我們對個別國家的臺商都有關心，請部長……"],["王委員鴻薇：好，然後，我現在要講一個很重要的……"],["郭部長智輝：報告委員，墨西哥的臺商有300家，我談了60家。"],["王委員鴻薇：等一下，我還有其他問題問你。這個我是很直接的，我有直接的主張，因為我們面對貿易戰，老實講，我們必須要降低對美國的貿易順差，說實在的我們是第六名，就會被人家當成眼中釘，所以我們可能要去增加採購美國的產品。現在看起來，我覺得能源是其中一項，能源可能要加碼投資，我知道現在其實從美國採購的能源已經進入前十名了。另外，我們臺灣的汽車關稅是17.5%，美國是2.5%，美國的汽車關稅，如果按照這樣子，差了那麼多倍，我們是不是可以降低美國汽車的關稅？我為很多的消費者請命，大家希望看到，針對這個貿易戰，如果我們有些產品必須降稅的話，美國的汽車我們可不可以降稅？除了這一點，還有一個很重要的就是保健食品，提到這個，我們財政部長就立刻上來了，我在財委會，關於保健食品，我們的關稅高到不行，有30%，所以我們很多人只要一出國，若有親朋好友在美國，一定要讓你去買什麼維他命C、維骨力等一大堆、各式各樣的。","我們臺灣保健食品的關稅30%，在全世界當中，中國8.5%、日本14.5%、韓國8%、美國6.4%，請問我們的關稅到底在高什麼？臺灣的老百姓要吃一些保健食品要付出這麼大的代價嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：委員，我有四個決議跟你報告，我們開了很多次會議，只有四點我覺得是很重要的決議，很簡單在此說明，第一個，我們一定跟產業界合作，臺灣保持先進科技的領先地位；第二個，任何產業界到外國去做戰略布局，絕對不能讓臺灣的產業空洞化；第三個，我們全力的向國際來做爭取，避免不公平的關稅針對臺灣任何一個產業；第四個，如果是涉入到這種對等關稅的談判，我們據理力爭，在雙方最有利的情況底下，我們來做最好的爭取。"],["王委員鴻薇：院長，其實你的回答很空！好，兩大部長都在這邊，請問我們的汽車關稅可以有下降的空間嗎？財政部一定認為這要問經濟部。"],["郭部長智輝：報告委員，我們只要開放美國的關稅2.5%，就要對所有的國家開放同樣的關稅2.5%，所以美國的車不見得進來，但其他國家的車都進來了。"],["王委員鴻薇：其他的車如果真的也有這個競爭力的話呢？"],["卓院長榮泰：那本土的產業會受到傷害……"],["郭部長智輝：那本土就完蛋了！"],["卓院長榮泰：所以我說對等關稅，我們一定會在雙方有利的情況下來做……"],["王委員鴻薇：我們保護本土產業很久了啦！我們保護本土產業已經非常久了！我當然知道為什麼我們一直維持高利率，但是我必須說，以臺灣的消費者來說，大家期待汽車關稅降價其實也很久了，臺灣的汽車關稅一直是偏高的，因為保護本土產業。","再來，保健食品，那時候經濟部曾經說可以研究降低，我也覺得這個很離譜，可不可以？我再用我總質詢寶貴的時間為大家請命。"],["郭部長智輝：關於保健食品，我們臺灣本土的保健食品就非常的強。"],["王委員鴻薇：強的話幹嘛還要30%來保護？"],["郭部長智輝：我們國內自己的產品嘛，我們希望國人能夠愛用國人的產品，所以進口會有比較高的稅。"],["王委員鴻薇：你就是保護嘛，對消費者有好處嗎？這對消費者一點好處都沒有。"],["郭部長智輝：對消費者當然有好處啊！"],["王委員鴻薇：院長，我在這邊就直接跟你說，我們有很多就是在因應這一次整個貿易關稅戰，還有半導體戰，院長真的要親自督軍，我建議你每個禮拜把幾個部長、把我們經貿辦公室的主任等等統統找過來，去盯每一個進度，這件事情是重中之重，好不好？"],["卓院長榮泰：好。"],["王委員鴻薇：這很重要，另外……"],["卓院長榮泰：我們已經在做，我們把它做得更密集。"],["王委員鴻薇：好。"],["卓院長榮泰：像這樣對等關稅的談判，我們朝雙方有利，但是有些可以開放的，我們可以研究開放。"],["王委員鴻薇：我剛才不好意思說啦，我們江文若次長所見到的層級極低啦，台積電能夠見到的層級，我們的次長是見不到的。"],["卓院長榮泰：是。"],["王委員鴻薇：您也知道，所以我覺得有些我們可以透過……你看韓國也是一些大企業家去見美國商務部長，對不對？他是直接告訴你，你一家要投資多少錢，我們也可以透過我們的企業界，如果我們企業界真的要去的話，去摸底，然後去傳達在中美貿易順暢上我們可以做些什麼，至少我們會有因應之道嘛。","因為我時間很有限，我還是要講一下有關於普發現金，我剛才有注意，院長針對剛才傅總召回答，你的意思說也不應該是全部都普發現金，還有其他的部分。在2023年的時候所提出來的特別條例，裡面包含普發現金6,000塊，裡面還包括撥補勞保基金，還有包括撥補健保，當時是一個package。"],["卓院長榮泰：是。"],["王委員鴻薇：而我們當時也接受了，但是真的，既然是全民稅收的果實，就應該要還給人民嘛！不要再給我搞一些什麼你們算錯了，這個錯、那個錯，錯什麼錯啊？你們財政部的新聞稿，我們都看了幾十年，你現在告訴我說什麼出錯，稅收超徵出錯？欸，可以拗嗎？硬拗成這樣！這個我今天放過行政院，你們有多少在總預算裡面造謠的啊？你們連稅收超徵都可以造謠啊？"],["卓院長榮泰：我找機會跟委員詳細說明。"],["王委員鴻薇：所以，院長，在這個普發現金的部分，我們認為你是可以去做其他的，你也可以把它做個package，但是，全民的稅收成果該還給人民就要還給人民，你同不同意？"],["卓院長榮泰：我希望兩院合理的來討論一個完整的配套，對國家有利，對人民也接受。"],["王委員鴻薇：所以你不完全排除嘛？"],["卓院長榮泰：我們來研究一個完整的配套。"],["王委員鴻薇：好。"],["卓院長榮泰：謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝王鴻薇委員發言，謝謝卓院長及相關部會首長的備詢。","接下來我們請登記第6位陳俊宇委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":232,"meet_id":"院會-11-3-2","speakers":["韓國瑜","王鴻薇","吳思瑤","范雲","吳春城","傅崐萁","陳培瑜","陳俊宇","羅智強"],"page_start":13,"meetingDate":["2025-02-25"],"gazette_id":"1142401","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1142401_00002","1142401_00003","1142401_00004","114240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進行質詢─","agenda_id":"1142401_00004"}}}