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00:01:55,629\n基礎還是要以民眾福祉最大化來核心為出發點過往總預算的審查其實都是針對行政機關的個別項目科目或者是他的執行模式我們進行檢討沒有像這一次是以行政單位的行政業務費用來做刪減\n\n6\n00:01:58,371 --> 00:02:26,418\n那也就是說我雖然保有你國家運作需要的科目預算但是我卻刪減了我們公務人員需要的溝通說明宣傳協調辦公接洽的行政費用就是我保有你的身體完好但是我把你的手腳都剁掉了好那這個本席想了解因為行政業務費刪減所影響的行政服務機關的數量跟他的預算我不知道行政院這邊有沒有做一些盤點呢\n\n7\n00:02:27,895 --> 00:02:49,984\n我們都在非常多的簡報裡面都非常充分的清楚到底我們增加的是什麼到底違反的是什麼包括預算法第49條他說你要三點預算要指出他的機關別正式別跟基金別那在桶山的這個今天我們遇到的桶山這個項目裡面是沒有辦法明確看得出來依照預算法49條的規定\n\n8\n00:02:51,748 --> 00:03:18,063\n那這個國民黨說啊這個我們這個當時行政院的中南東部聯合中心是為了酬庸而成立那我就好好爬梳一下啦行政院南部聯合服務中心簡稱南服中心他是在國民黨執政的時候的1998年成立的那我們南服中心服務哪些人呢哪些行政區呢高雄市屏東縣跟澎湖縣就以我們辦理附照來講\n\n9\n00:03:18,883 --> 00:03:38,316\n過往我如果要辦理護照第一次辦理護照我一定要外交部臨櫃過往我中南部的人我都要到台北的外交部臨櫃現在因為有南福中心我直接到南福中心過去臨櫃辦理第一次就好可是現在南福中心這個右邊有個照片這個是我非常不忍心我們南福中心現在就是電梯停用\n\n10\n00:03:39,386 --> 00:03:53,454\n聽文案好那這個國營事業剛才台電這個補貼預算被刪減那院長您聽到只有舉債跟調整電價三月份下個月的三月份的電價審議委員會請問會長工業用電或民生用電呢部長請回應\n\n11\n00:04:00,673 --> 00:04:22,605\n這個時候談這個有點言之過早因為我們現在努力希望一千億的撥補能夠順利通過副議案能夠回來即使沒有辦法的話我們最悲觀的講即使沒有辦法的話首先要求的當然還是台電從他內部的行政效率成本的管控來做更有效的一些管理\n\n12\n00:04:23,643 --> 00:04:47,125\n經濟部長也會跟台電在研究那如果能夠以民生為優先能夠不漲當然是最好但如果撐不下去的時候他到底要選擇是舉債還是要漲價尤其漲價是要經過漲價審議委員會電價審議委員會來做最後決定院長這個其實在我們地方已經都很沸騰了尤其像我們這個石化鋼鐵旅業是我高雄的重要的產業\n\n13\n00:04:48,286 --> 00:05:08,292\n那他們目前也接受遭受到中國全球傾銷市場的打擊所以當工業用電增加的時候那對他們是雪上加霜那對民生用電也是一樣其實我全國的總人口數字並沒有增加我的總戶數增加也不多所以你現在如果也長民生用電的話\n\n14\n00:05:09,212 --> 00:05:28,702\n而不去漲工業用電我講的這是按照媒體傳聞的如果現在政府是要漲民生用電而不漲這個工業用電那我的總戶人口的這個民生的戶數沒增加人口沒有增加情況之下而用電最多的是工業用電所以你反而會節貧濟富了\n\n15\n00:05:31,583 --> 00:05:47,623\n所以到底在下個月現在是二月也都快中旬了所以你三月就要面臨的電價漲的審議委員會所以這個傳聞到底是真是假因為如果說好我撥補了一千億所以我就不會漲電價了嗎還是說第二個\n\n16\n00:05:52,087 --> 00:06:01,093\n我要求台電一些相關體質的調整之後你就不漲電價了嗎所以可以請院長還部長補充說明一下報告委員我想有關於外部傳聞台電要漲電價\n\n17\n00:06:08,724 --> 00:06:36,281\n這件事情我們不知道這個傳聞是從哪裡來的這是第一回答你的問題第二個呢漲不漲電價是由電價審議委員來做決定並不是這個台電他自己就可以決定要不要漲電價所以跟我這次的總預算要不要去撥補一千億給他跟漲電價是兩個脫鉤的嗎撥補一千億主要是我們是在\n\n18\n00:06:37,823 --> 00:06:54,819\n把台電的財務情形來做一個調整因為台電現在的四天多一如果我們能夠撥補一千億我們就可以少借一點錢少付一點利息但是跟台電整個經營來講\n\n19\n00:06:56,641 --> 00:07:23,303\n我們想如果能夠撥補我們就不用借那麼多錢而且我們現在已經借到快上限了所以對我們將來的四個金融網絡各方面那這個院長對於漲電價這件事情你要不要作為你跟國在野黨當中彼此在做溝通的一個條件我本身也沒有意見我剛剛部長所說的就是這一千億叫健全台電的財務讓他的長年虧損\n\n20\n00:07:25,645 --> 00:07:45,955\n現在幾乎到達4300億的虧損能夠彌補一些他就能夠在這個財務的成本減少那這樣的情況底下他就比較能夠把現在的這個營運順利的推動下去但如果沒有這個1000億他的虧損依舊存在虧損的原因是因為戰爭的關係燃料上漲所以說他的健全體質剛才講嘛台電我撥補他這個虧損之後因為我刪除他的這個\n\n21\n00:07:53,318 --> 00:08:20,226\n這個補貼一千億所以他只有兩個啊院長您剛才講的他只有舉債跟調整電價所以如果說他調整體質當中他沒有透過舉債沒有透過這個調整電價他不會有辦法健全體質啊所以他就只好所以您認為還有什麼方法是我不漲電價又不需要舉債然後又不用撥補好像台電這樣也回不下去舉債是台電可以決定的\n\n22\n00:08:20,626 --> 00:08:40,351\n但是調整電價是省議委員會才能決定的現在至於說要不要調或是調哪個部分我覺得言之過早院長這個我們民眾在意的還是說你要不要漲電價這件事情不管是工業電價的漲或者是民生用電的漲這個才是民眾在意的\n\n23\n00:08:40,891 --> 00:09:04,897\n當然你在報告當中也很明確的講我如果不給他我也只有調漲電價跟舉債這是您剛才在報告當中有提到的所以我要調要講到說這個因果關係會導致我人民在意的到底會不會漲電價所以在這邊這個可能再過三四個禮拜就要面臨民眾其實就要面臨到底會不會漲電價所帶來的我的\n\n24\n00:09:08,238 --> 00:09:34,184\n通貨膨脹包括我現在企業在鋼鐵石化鋁業我剛已經講了授權中國的一個全面啟銷如果你漲工業電價那就雪上加霜那但是你用到你漲了民生用電那不好意思那只有讓我們現在已經面臨通貨膨脹這幾年當中的大幅成長之下那會讓我的人民的痛苦指數更高而已好那本席也是提醒這一點\n\n25\n00:09:35,124 --> 00:09:56,299\n另外高雄跟台灣其他城市都是面臨都市再造轉型的關鍵期所以只有地方的發展好我人民的生活才會好所以地方施政是一定需要中央預算保障跟各項業務合作的總預算就是中央與地方的合作企劃書\n\n26\n00:09:57,620 --> 00:10:18,706\n是不應該有大規模不合理的變動在這邊我要替我們高雄市政府再次的表達如果總預算刪減之後我的新興計畫有哪些沒有辦法執行里長的年終慰問補助岡山地區的廢汙水的排放消防救災設備及通訊系統以及擴大身心障礙福利機構的服務\n\n27\n00:10:20,186 --> 00:10:37,095\n也因為要讓院長知道我地方的這個高雄市政府這邊對於總預算不能通過當中的很大的隱憂以及對元氣性的計畫陷入不穩定我們有哪些呢長照2.0有55億這都是中央你支持我們高雄市政府的\n\n28\n00:10:37,655 --> 00:11:00,320\n兒童托育補助13億基礎建設預算的三檢包括我志宏池防災以及我市區的淹水道路與公共設施的維護以及產業園區跟公共建設計畫受阻院長我想我以高雄市政府如果跟你一樣會面臨到在整個三檢預算之後以及財發法\n\n29\n00:11:02,261 --> 00:11:19,139\n這個整個的一個大調整之下中央跟我們地方的發展都會同步受到影響的所以在這邊我要提到讓也請在野黨雖然現在是針對院長您的質詢不過我在這邊要提出總預算是政府面對未來的規劃不是回顧過去\n\n30\n00:11:22,183 --> 00:11:36,125\n2006年的時候馬總統也提到每年的總預算是不同的有的是一次性經常性的編列不能純粹用數字去看要看的是哪些項目所以他其實是呼應馬總統都呼應你這個卓院長啊\n\n31\n00:11:37,086 --> 00:11:48,319\n再來學者也講到說不能只看稅出歷年最高稅率也是歷年來最高的所以2025年中央政府的總預算較2024年增加了9.8%\n\n32\n00:11:51,863 --> 00:12:19,492\n這些都是讓我們台灣當局最重要的所有的項目所以包括公共建設798億國防建設的415建保財務協助方案336億以及我們撥補住宅興建計劃的社宅也有200多億但都是為未來做準備所以院長我們一起加油人民要的是生活品質的提升而不是生存條件的維持所以總預算是規劃未來\n\n33\n00:12:21,713 --> 00:12:35,819\n而我們很遺憾的看到在野黨總是活在過去用著是今非的方式粗魯的破壞我們對於下一代更美好的藍圖院長我們一起加油謝謝好謝謝委員請委員支持謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4073\t7436\t好,有請院長請卓院長備刑林委員好好\n17207\t44043\t這個院長本席支持行政院提出復議謝謝那這個國民黨的說法他說這個我過去給你八十塊你能夠做一百塊給你你也可以做一百二十塊給你你說你現在不能做我覺得他罔顧了一件事情我們要的是我們的這個人民要的是生活品質的提升而不是生存條件的維持\n45243\t62993\t這件事情是國民黨目前已經罔顧了以民為本的民主政治的精神而且他現在的大幅刪減預算之後已經犧牲了便民的服務第三個我們念之再之的這個國營事業的補貼因為院長你剛才在簡報當中有說到台電預算這個刪減之後要維持台電的運作只有兩個一個要嘛就請他舉債\n70157\t98195\t要嘛呢就請他這個要漲電價哇這個漲到漲電價那可是這個讓到底是要漲工業用電還是民生用電都會讓我人民這個頭皮發麻最後我們總預算這個有沒有通過對我高雄的建設影響甚具在這邊也一一的跟我們院長在這邊提到在這個民主政治的核心精神當中當然基於政治主張各自的這個表述那\n98815\t115629\t基礎還是要以民眾福祉最大化來核心為出發點過往總預算的審查其實都是針對行政機關的個別項目科目或者是他的執行模式我們進行檢討沒有像這一次是以行政單位的行政業務費用來做刪減\n118371\t146418\t那也就是說我雖然保有你國家運作需要的科目預算但是我卻刪減了我們公務人員需要的溝通說明宣傳協調辦公接洽的行政費用就是我保有你的身體完好但是我把你的手腳都剁掉了好那這個本席想了解因為行政業務費刪減所影響的行政服務機關的數量跟他的預算我不知道行政院這邊有沒有做一些盤點呢\n147895\t169984\t我們都在非常多的簡報裡面都非常充分的清楚到底我們增加的是什麼到底違反的是什麼包括預算法第49條他說你要三點預算要指出他的機關別正式別跟基金別那在桶山的這個今天我們遇到的桶山這個項目裡面是沒有辦法明確看得出來依照預算法49條的規定\n171748\t198063\t那這個國民黨說啊這個我們這個當時行政院的中南東部聯合中心是為了酬庸而成立那我就好好爬梳一下啦行政院南部聯合服務中心簡稱南服中心他是在國民黨執政的時候的1998年成立的那我們南服中心服務哪些人呢哪些行政區呢高雄市屏東縣跟澎湖縣就以我們辦理附照來講\n198883\t218316\t過往我如果要辦理護照第一次辦理護照我一定要外交部臨櫃過往我中南部的人我都要到台北的外交部臨櫃現在因為有南福中心我直接到南福中心過去臨櫃辦理第一次就好可是現在南福中心這個右邊有個照片這個是我非常不忍心我們南福中心現在就是電梯停用\n219386\t233454\t聽文案好那這個國營事業剛才台電這個補貼預算被刪減那院長您聽到只有舉債跟調整電價三月份下個月的三月份的電價審議委員會請問會長工業用電或民生用電呢部長請回應\n240673\t262605\t這個時候談這個有點言之過早因為我們現在努力希望一千億的撥補能夠順利通過副議案能夠回來即使沒有辦法的話我們最悲觀的講即使沒有辦法的話首先要求的當然還是台電從他內部的行政效率成本的管控來做更有效的一些管理\n263643\t287125\t經濟部長也會跟台電在研究那如果能夠以民生為優先能夠不漲當然是最好但如果撐不下去的時候他到底要選擇是舉債還是要漲價尤其漲價是要經過漲價審議委員會電價審議委員會來做最後決定院長這個其實在我們地方已經都很沸騰了尤其像我們這個石化鋼鐵旅業是我高雄的重要的產業\n288286\t308292\t那他們目前也接受遭受到中國全球傾銷市場的打擊所以當工業用電增加的時候那對他們是雪上加霜那對民生用電也是一樣其實我全國的總人口數字並沒有增加我的總戶數增加也不多所以你現在如果也長民生用電的話\n309212\t328702\t而不去漲工業用電我講的這是按照媒體傳聞的如果現在政府是要漲民生用電而不漲這個工業用電那我的總戶人口的這個民生的戶數沒增加人口沒有增加情況之下而用電最多的是工業用電所以你反而會節 貧 濟 富了\n331583\t347623\t所以到底在下個月現在是二月也都快中旬了所以你三月就要面臨的電價漲的審議委員會所以這個傳聞到底是真是假因為如果說好我撥補了一千億所以我就不會漲電價了嗎還是說第二個\n352087\t361093\t我要求台電一些相關體質的調整之後你就不漲電價了嗎所以可以請院長還部長補充說明一下報告委員我想有關於外部傳聞台電要漲電價\n368724\t396281\t這件事情我們不知道這個傳聞是從哪裡來的這是第一回答你的問題第二個呢漲不漲電價是由電價審議委員來做決定並不是這個台電他自己就可以決定要不要漲電價所以跟我這次的總預算要不要去撥補一千億給他跟漲電價是兩個脫鉤的嗎撥補一千億主要是我們是在\n397823\t414819\t把台電的財務情形來做一個調整因為台電現在的四天多一如果我們能夠撥補一千億我們就可以少借一點錢少付一點利息但是跟台電整個經營來講\n416641\t443303\t我們想如果能夠撥補我們就不用借那麼多錢而且我們現在已經借到快上限了所以對我們將來的四個金融網絡各方面那這個院長對於漲電價這件事情你要不要作為你跟國在野黨當中彼此在做溝通的一個條件我本身也沒有意見我剛剛部長所說的就是這一千億叫健全台電的財務讓他的長年虧損\n445645\t465955\t現在幾乎到達4300億的虧損能夠彌補一些他就能夠在這個財務的成本減少那這樣的情況底下他就比較能夠把現在的這個營運順利的推動下去但如果沒有這個1000億他的虧損依舊存在虧損的原因是因為戰爭的關係燃料上漲所以說他的健全體質剛才講嘛台電我撥補他這個虧損之後因為我刪除他的這個\n473318\t500226\t這個補貼一千億所以他只有兩個啊院長您剛才講的他只有舉債跟調整電價所以如果說他調整體質當中他沒有透過舉債沒有透過這個調整電價他不會有辦法健全體質啊所以他就只好所以您認為還有什麼方法是我不漲電價又不需要舉債然後又不用撥補好像台電這樣也回不下去舉債是台電可以決定的\n500626\t520351\t但是調整電價是省議委員會才能決定的現在至於說要不要調或是調哪個部分我覺得言之過早院長 這個我們民眾在意的還是說你要不要漲電價這件事情不管是工業電價的漲或者是民生用電的漲這個才是民眾在意的\n520891\t544897\t當然你在報告當中也很明確的講我如果不給他我也只有調漲電價跟舉債這是您剛才在報告當中有提到的所以我要調要講到說這個因果關係會導致我人民在意的到底會不會漲電價所以在這邊這個可能再過三四個禮拜就要面臨民眾其實就要面臨到底會不會漲電價所帶來的我的\n548238\t574184\t通貨膨脹包括我現在企業在鋼鐵石化鋁業我剛已經講了授權中國的一個全面啟銷如果你漲工業電價那就雪上加霜那但是你用到你漲了民生用電那不好意思那只有讓我們現在已經面臨通貨膨脹這幾年當中的大幅成長之下那會讓我的人民的痛苦指數更高而已好那本席也是提醒這一點\n575124\t596299\t另外高雄跟台灣其他城市都是面臨都市再造轉型的關鍵期所以只有地方的發展好我人民的生活才會好所以地方施政是一定需要中央預算保障跟各項業務合作的總預算就是中央與地方的合作企劃書\n597620\t618706\t是不應該有大規模不合理的變動在這邊我要替我們高雄市政府再次的表達如果總預算刪減之後我的新興計畫有哪些沒有辦法執行里長的年終慰問補助岡山地區的廢汙水的排放消防救災設備及通訊系統以及擴大身心障礙福利機構的服務\n620186\t637095\t也因為要讓院長知道我地方的這個高雄市政府這邊對於總預算不能通過當中的很大的隱憂以及對元氣性的計畫陷入不穩定我們有哪些呢長照2.0有55億這都是中央你支持我們高雄市政府的\n637655\t660320\t兒童托育補助13億基礎建設預算的三檢包括我志宏池防災以及我市區的淹水道路與公共設施的維護以及產業園區跟公共建設計畫受阻院長我想我以高雄市政府如果跟你一樣會面臨到在整個三檢預算之後以及財發法\n662261\t679139\t這個整個的一個大調整之下中央跟我們地方的發展都會同步受到影響的所以在這邊我要提到讓也請在野黨雖然現在是針對院長您的質詢不過我在這邊要提出總預算是政府面對未來的規劃不是回顧過去\n682183\t696125\t2006年的時候馬總統也提到每年的總預算是不同的有的是一次性經常性的編列不能純粹用數字去看要看的是哪些項目所以他其實是呼應馬總統都呼應你這個卓院長啊\n697086\t708319\t再來學者也講到說不能只看稅出歷年最高稅率也是歷年來最高的所以2025年中央政府的總預算較2024年增加了9.8%\n711863\t739492\t這些都是讓我們台灣當局最重要的所有的項目所以包括公共建設798億國防建設的415建保財務協助方案336億以及我們撥補住宅興建計劃的社宅也有200多億但都是為未來做準備所以院長我們一起加油人民要的是生活品質的提升而不是生存條件的維持所以總預算是規劃未來\n741713\t755819\t而我們很遺憾的看到在野黨總是活在過去用著是今非的方式粗魯的破壞我們對於下一代更美好的藍圖院長我們一起加油 謝謝好 謝謝委員 請委員支持 謝謝\n","txt":"好,有請院長請卓院長備刑林委員好好\n這個院長本席支持行政院提出復議謝謝那這個國民黨的說法他說這個我過去給你八十塊你能夠做一百塊給你你也可以做一百二十塊給你你說你現在不能做我覺得他罔顧了一件事情我們要的是我們的這個人民要的是生活品質的提升而不是生存條件的維持\n這件事情是國民黨目前已經罔顧了以民為本的民主政治的精神而且他現在的大幅刪減預算之後已經犧牲了便民的服務第三個我們念之再之的這個國營事業的補貼因為院長你剛才在簡報當中有說到台電預算這個刪減之後要維持台電的運作只有兩個一個要嘛就請他舉債\n要嘛呢就請他這個要漲電價哇這個漲到漲電價那可是這個讓到底是要漲工業用電還是民生用電都會讓我人民這個頭皮發麻最後我們總預算這個有沒有通過對我高雄的建設影響甚具在這邊也一一的跟我們院長在這邊提到在這個民主政治的核心精神當中當然基於政治主張各自的這個表述那\n基礎還是要以民眾福祉最大化來核心為出發點過往總預算的審查其實都是針對行政機關的個別項目科目或者是他的執行模式我們進行檢討沒有像這一次是以行政單位的行政業務費用來做刪減\n那也就是說我雖然保有你國家運作需要的科目預算但是我卻刪減了我們公務人員需要的溝通說明宣傳協調辦公接洽的行政費用就是我保有你的身體完好但是我把你的手腳都剁掉了好那這個本席想了解因為行政業務費刪減所影響的行政服務機關的數量跟他的預算我不知道行政院這邊有沒有做一些盤點呢\n我們都在非常多的簡報裡面都非常充分的清楚到底我們增加的是什麼到底違反的是什麼包括預算法第49條他說你要三點預算要指出他的機關別正式別跟基金別那在桶山的這個今天我們遇到的桶山這個項目裡面是沒有辦法明確看得出來依照預算法49條的規定\n那這個國民黨說啊這個我們這個當時行政院的中南東部聯合中心是為了酬庸而成立那我就好好爬梳一下啦行政院南部聯合服務中心簡稱南服中心他是在國民黨執政的時候的1998年成立的那我們南服中心服務哪些人呢哪些行政區呢高雄市屏東縣跟澎湖縣就以我們辦理附照來講\n過往我如果要辦理護照第一次辦理護照我一定要外交部臨櫃過往我中南部的人我都要到台北的外交部臨櫃現在因為有南福中心我直接到南福中心過去臨櫃辦理第一次就好可是現在南福中心這個右邊有個照片這個是我非常不忍心我們南福中心現在就是電梯停用\n聽文案好那這個國營事業剛才台電這個補貼預算被刪減那院長您聽到只有舉債跟調整電價三月份下個月的三月份的電價審議委員會請問會長工業用電或民生用電呢部長請回應\n這個時候談這個有點言之過早因為我們現在努力希望一千億的撥補能夠順利通過副議案能夠回來即使沒有辦法的話我們最悲觀的講即使沒有辦法的話首先要求的當然還是台電從他內部的行政效率成本的管控來做更有效的一些管理\n經濟部長也會跟台電在研究那如果能夠以民生為優先能夠不漲當然是最好但如果撐不下去的時候他到底要選擇是舉債還是要漲價尤其漲價是要經過漲價審議委員會電價審議委員會來做最後決定院長這個其實在我們地方已經都很沸騰了尤其像我們這個石化鋼鐵旅業是我高雄的重要的產業\n那他們目前也接受遭受到中國全球傾銷市場的打擊所以當工業用電增加的時候那對他們是雪上加霜那對民生用電也是一樣其實我全國的總人口數字並沒有增加我的總戶數增加也不多所以你現在如果也長民生用電的話\n而不去漲工業用電我講的這是按照媒體傳聞的如果現在政府是要漲民生用電而不漲這個工業用電那我的總戶人口的這個民生的戶數沒增加人口沒有增加情況之下而用電最多的是工業用電所以你反而會節 貧 濟 富了\n所以到底在下個月現在是二月也都快中旬了所以你三月就要面臨的電價漲的審議委員會所以這個傳聞到底是真是假因為如果說好我撥補了一千億所以我就不會漲電價了嗎還是說第二個\n我要求台電一些相關體質的調整之後你就不漲電價了嗎所以可以請院長還部長補充說明一下報告委員我想有關於外部傳聞台電要漲電價\n這件事情我們不知道這個傳聞是從哪裡來的這是第一回答你的問題第二個呢漲不漲電價是由電價審議委員來做決定並不是這個台電他自己就可以決定要不要漲電價所以跟我這次的總預算要不要去撥補一千億給他跟漲電價是兩個脫鉤的嗎撥補一千億主要是我們是在\n把台電的財務情形來做一個調整因為台電現在的四天多一如果我們能夠撥補一千億我們就可以少借一點錢少付一點利息但是跟台電整個經營來講\n我們想如果能夠撥補我們就不用借那麼多錢而且我們現在已經借到快上限了所以對我們將來的四個金融網絡各方面那這個院長對於漲電價這件事情你要不要作為你跟國在野黨當中彼此在做溝通的一個條件我本身也沒有意見我剛剛部長所說的就是這一千億叫健全台電的財務讓他的長年虧損\n現在幾乎到達4300億的虧損能夠彌補一些他就能夠在這個財務的成本減少那這樣的情況底下他就比較能夠把現在的這個營運順利的推動下去但如果沒有這個1000億他的虧損依舊存在虧損的原因是因為戰爭的關係燃料上漲所以說他的健全體質剛才講嘛台電我撥補他這個虧損之後因為我刪除他的這個\n這個補貼一千億所以他只有兩個啊院長您剛才講的他只有舉債跟調整電價所以如果說他調整體質當中他沒有透過舉債沒有透過這個調整電價他不會有辦法健全體質啊所以他就只好所以您認為還有什麼方法是我不漲電價又不需要舉債然後又不用撥補好像台電這樣也回不下去舉債是台電可以決定的\n但是調整電價是省議委員會才能決定的現在至於說要不要調或是調哪個部分我覺得言之過早院長 這個我們民眾在意的還是說你要不要漲電價這件事情不管是工業電價的漲或者是民生用電的漲這個才是民眾在意的\n當然你在報告當中也很明確的講我如果不給他我也只有調漲電價跟舉債這是您剛才在報告當中有提到的所以我要調要講到說這個因果關係會導致我人民在意的到底會不會漲電價所以在這邊這個可能再過三四個禮拜就要面臨民眾其實就要面臨到底會不會漲電價所帶來的我的\n通貨膨脹包括我現在企業在鋼鐵石化鋁業我剛已經講了授權中國的一個全面啟銷如果你漲工業電價那就雪上加霜那但是你用到你漲了民生用電那不好意思那只有讓我們現在已經面臨通貨膨脹這幾年當中的大幅成長之下那會讓我的人民的痛苦指數更高而已好那本席也是提醒這一點\n另外高雄跟台灣其他城市都是面臨都市再造轉型的關鍵期所以只有地方的發展好我人民的生活才會好所以地方施政是一定需要中央預算保障跟各項業務合作的總預算就是中央與地方的合作企劃書\n是不應該有大規模不合理的變動在這邊我要替我們高雄市政府再次的表達如果總預算刪減之後我的新興計畫有哪些沒有辦法執行里長的年終慰問補助岡山地區的廢汙水的排放消防救災設備及通訊系統以及擴大身心障礙福利機構的服務\n也因為要讓院長知道我地方的這個高雄市政府這邊對於總預算不能通過當中的很大的隱憂以及對元氣性的計畫陷入不穩定我們有哪些呢長照2.0有55億這都是中央你支持我們高雄市政府的\n兒童托育補助13億基礎建設預算的三檢包括我志宏池防災以及我市區的淹水道路與公共設施的維護以及產業園區跟公共建設計畫受阻院長我想我以高雄市政府如果跟你一樣會面臨到在整個三檢預算之後以及財發法\n這個整個的一個大調整之下中央跟我們地方的發展都會同步受到影響的所以在這邊我要提到讓也請在野黨雖然現在是針對院長您的質詢不過我在這邊要提出總預算是政府面對未來的規劃不是回顧過去\n2006年的時候馬總統也提到每年的總預算是不同的有的是一次性經常性的編列不能純粹用數字去看要看的是哪些項目所以他其實是呼應馬總統都呼應你這個卓院長啊\n再來學者也講到說不能只看稅出歷年最高稅率也是歷年來最高的所以2025年中央政府的總預算較2024年增加了9.8%\n這些都是讓我們台灣當局最重要的所有的項目所以包括公共建設798億國防建設的415建保財務協助方案336億以及我們撥補住宅興建計劃的社宅也有200多億但都是為未來做準備所以院長我們一起加油人民要的是生活品質的提升而不是生存條件的維持所以總預算是規劃未來\n而我們很遺憾的看到在野黨總是活在過去用著是今非的方式粗魯的破壞我們對於下一代更美好的藍圖院長我們一起加油 謝謝好 謝謝委員 請委員支持 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.073 --> 00:07.436\n好,有請院長請卓院長備刑林委員好好\n\n00:17.207 --> 00:44.043\n這個院長本席支持行政院提出復議謝謝那這個國民黨的說法他說這個我過去給你八十塊你能夠做一百塊給你你也可以做一百二十塊給你你說你現在不能做我覺得他罔顧了一件事情我們要的是我們的這個人民要的是生活品質的提升而不是生存條件的維持\n\n00:45.243 --> 01:02.993\n這件事情是國民黨目前已經罔顧了以民為本的民主政治的精神而且他現在的大幅刪減預算之後已經犧牲了便民的服務第三個我們念之再之的這個國營事業的補貼因為院長你剛才在簡報當中有說到台電預算這個刪減之後要維持台電的運作只有兩個一個要嘛就請他舉債\n\n01:10.157 --> 01:38.195\n要嘛呢就請他這個要漲電價哇這個漲到漲電價那可是這個讓到底是要漲工業用電還是民生用電都會讓我人民這個頭皮發麻最後我們總預算這個有沒有通過對我高雄的建設影響甚具在這邊也一一的跟我們院長在這邊提到在這個民主政治的核心精神當中當然基於政治主張各自的這個表述那\n\n01:38.815 --> 01:55.629\n基礎還是要以民眾福祉最大化來核心為出發點過往總預算的審查其實都是針對行政機關的個別項目科目或者是他的執行模式我們進行檢討沒有像這一次是以行政單位的行政業務費用來做刪減\n\n01:58.371 --> 02:26.418\n那也就是說我雖然保有你國家運作需要的科目預算但是我卻刪減了我們公務人員需要的溝通說明宣傳協調辦公接洽的行政費用就是我保有你的身體完好但是我把你的手腳都剁掉了好那這個本席想了解因為行政業務費刪減所影響的行政服務機關的數量跟他的預算我不知道行政院這邊有沒有做一些盤點呢\n\n02:27.895 --> 02:49.984\n我們都在非常多的簡報裡面都非常充分的清楚到底我們增加的是什麼到底違反的是什麼包括預算法第49條他說你要三點預算要指出他的機關別正式別跟基金別那在桶山的這個今天我們遇到的桶山這個項目裡面是沒有辦法明確看得出來依照預算法49條的規定\n\n02:51.748 --> 03:18.063\n那這個國民黨說啊這個我們這個當時行政院的中南東部聯合中心是為了酬庸而成立那我就好好爬梳一下啦行政院南部聯合服務中心簡稱南服中心他是在國民黨執政的時候的1998年成立的那我們南服中心服務哪些人呢哪些行政區呢高雄市屏東縣跟澎湖縣就以我們辦理附照來講\n\n03:18.883 --> 03:38.316\n過往我如果要辦理護照第一次辦理護照我一定要外交部臨櫃過往我中南部的人我都要到台北的外交部臨櫃現在因為有南福中心我直接到南福中心過去臨櫃辦理第一次就好可是現在南福中心這個右邊有個照片這個是我非常不忍心我們南福中心現在就是電梯停用\n\n03:39.386 --> 03:53.454\n聽文案好那這個國營事業剛才台電這個補貼預算被刪減那院長您聽到只有舉債跟調整電價三月份下個月的三月份的電價審議委員會請問會長工業用電或民生用電呢部長請回應\n\n04:00.673 --> 04:22.605\n這個時候談這個有點言之過早因為我們現在努力希望一千億的撥補能夠順利通過副議案能夠回來即使沒有辦法的話我們最悲觀的講即使沒有辦法的話首先要求的當然還是台電從他內部的行政效率成本的管控來做更有效的一些管理\n\n04:23.643 --> 04:47.125\n經濟部長也會跟台電在研究那如果能夠以民生為優先能夠不漲當然是最好但如果撐不下去的時候他到底要選擇是舉債還是要漲價尤其漲價是要經過漲價審議委員會電價審議委員會來做最後決定院長這個其實在我們地方已經都很沸騰了尤其像我們這個石化鋼鐵旅業是我高雄的重要的產業\n\n04:48.286 --> 05:08.292\n那他們目前也接受遭受到中國全球傾銷市場的打擊所以當工業用電增加的時候那對他們是雪上加霜那對民生用電也是一樣其實我全國的總人口數字並沒有增加我的總戶數增加也不多所以你現在如果也長民生用電的話\n\n05:09.212 --> 05:28.702\n而不去漲工業用電我講的這是按照媒體傳聞的如果現在政府是要漲民生用電而不漲這個工業用電那我的總戶人口的這個民生的戶數沒增加人口沒有增加情況之下而用電最多的是工業用電所以你反而會節貧濟富了\n\n05:31.583 --> 05:47.623\n所以到底在下個月現在是二月也都快中旬了所以你三月就要面臨的電價漲的審議委員會所以這個傳聞到底是真是假因為如果說好我撥補了一千億所以我就不會漲電價了嗎還是說第二個\n\n05:52.087 --> 06:01.093\n我要求台電一些相關體質的調整之後你就不漲電價了嗎所以可以請院長還部長補充說明一下報告委員我想有關於外部傳聞台電要漲電價\n\n06:08.724 --> 06:36.281\n這件事情我們不知道這個傳聞是從哪裡來的這是第一回答你的問題第二個呢漲不漲電價是由電價審議委員來做決定並不是這個台電他自己就可以決定要不要漲電價所以跟我這次的總預算要不要去撥補一千億給他跟漲電價是兩個脫鉤的嗎撥補一千億主要是我們是在\n\n06:37.823 --> 06:54.819\n把台電的財務情形來做一個調整因為台電現在的四天多一如果我們能夠撥補一千億我們就可以少借一點錢少付一點利息但是跟台電整個經營來講\n\n06:56.641 --> 07:23.303\n我們想如果能夠撥補我們就不用借那麼多錢而且我們現在已經借到快上限了所以對我們將來的四個金融網絡各方面那這個院長對於漲電價這件事情你要不要作為你跟國在野黨當中彼此在做溝通的一個條件我本身也沒有意見我剛剛部長所說的就是這一千億叫健全台電的財務讓他的長年虧損\n\n07:25.645 --> 07:45.955\n現在幾乎到達4300億的虧損能夠彌補一些他就能夠在這個財務的成本減少那這樣的情況底下他就比較能夠把現在的這個營運順利的推動下去但如果沒有這個1000億他的虧損依舊存在虧損的原因是因為戰爭的關係燃料上漲所以說他的健全體質剛才講嘛台電我撥補他這個虧損之後因為我刪除他的這個\n\n07:53.318 --> 08:20.226\n這個補貼一千億所以他只有兩個啊院長您剛才講的他只有舉債跟調整電價所以如果說他調整體質當中他沒有透過舉債沒有透過這個調整電價他不會有辦法健全體質啊所以他就只好所以您認為還有什麼方法是我不漲電價又不需要舉債然後又不用撥補好像台電這樣也回不下去舉債是台電可以決定的\n\n08:20.626 --> 08:40.351\n但是調整電價是省議委員會才能決定的現在至於說要不要調或是調哪個部分我覺得言之過早院長這個我們民眾在意的還是說你要不要漲電價這件事情不管是工業電價的漲或者是民生用電的漲這個才是民眾在意的\n\n08:40.891 --> 09:04.897\n當然你在報告當中也很明確的講我如果不給他我也只有調漲電價跟舉債這是您剛才在報告當中有提到的所以我要調要講到說這個因果關係會導致我人民在意的到底會不會漲電價所以在這邊這個可能再過三四個禮拜就要面臨民眾其實就要面臨到底會不會漲電價所帶來的我的\n\n09:08.238 --> 09:34.184\n通貨膨脹包括我現在企業在鋼鐵石化鋁業我剛已經講了授權中國的一個全面啟銷如果你漲工業電價那就雪上加霜那但是你用到你漲了民生用電那不好意思那只有讓我們現在已經面臨通貨膨脹這幾年當中的大幅成長之下那會讓我的人民的痛苦指數更高而已好那本席也是提醒這一點\n\n09:35.124 --> 09:56.299\n另外高雄跟台灣其他城市都是面臨都市再造轉型的關鍵期所以只有地方的發展好我人民的生活才會好所以地方施政是一定需要中央預算保障跟各項業務合作的總預算就是中央與地方的合作企劃書\n\n09:57.620 --> 10:18.706\n是不應該有大規模不合理的變動在這邊我要替我們高雄市政府再次的表達如果總預算刪減之後我的新興計畫有哪些沒有辦法執行里長的年終慰問補助岡山地區的廢汙水的排放消防救災設備及通訊系統以及擴大身心障礙福利機構的服務\n\n10:20.186 --> 10:37.095\n也因為要讓院長知道我地方的這個高雄市政府這邊對於總預算不能通過當中的很大的隱憂以及對元氣性的計畫陷入不穩定我們有哪些呢長照2.0有55億這都是中央你支持我們高雄市政府的\n\n10:37.655 --> 11:00.320\n兒童托育補助13億基礎建設預算的三檢包括我志宏池防災以及我市區的淹水道路與公共設施的維護以及產業園區跟公共建設計畫受阻院長我想我以高雄市政府如果跟你一樣會面臨到在整個三檢預算之後以及財發法\n\n11:02.261 --> 11:19.139\n這個整個的一個大調整之下中央跟我們地方的發展都會同步受到影響的所以在這邊我要提到讓也請在野黨雖然現在是針對院長您的質詢不過我在這邊要提出總預算是政府面對未來的規劃不是回顧過去\n\n11:22.183 --> 11:36.125\n2006年的時候馬總統也提到每年的總預算是不同的有的是一次性經常性的編列不能純粹用數字去看要看的是哪些項目所以他其實是呼應馬總統都呼應你這個卓院長啊\n\n11:37.086 --> 11:48.319\n再來學者也講到說不能只看稅出歷年最高稅率也是歷年來最高的所以2025年中央政府的總預算較2024年增加了9.8%\n\n11:51.863 --> 12:19.492\n這些都是讓我們台灣當局最重要的所有的項目所以包括公共建設798億國防建設的415建保財務協助方案336億以及我們撥補住宅興建計劃的社宅也有200多億但都是為未來做準備所以院長我們一起加油人民要的是生活品質的提升而不是生存條件的維持所以總預算是規劃未來\n\n12:21.713 --> 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