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00:01:57,976\n沒有鉛筆盒啊這個鉛筆盒要一塊我沒辦法考試這個睡不著啊沒辦法睡覺啊這個枕頭不夠鬆軟要讓它鬆軟要一塊我沒有褲子啊這個褲子有點皺這個要燙平要一塊沒辦法出門啊院長您覺得這樣的小孩有道理嗎不乖該打\n\n6\n00:01:59,589 --> 00:02:18,190\n這小孩該打該打嘛對不對所以我們現在不是要來打人不是要來打人我們理性的來討教該打嘛我們現在沒有要用暴力在立法院我們和平但是呢不管要不要打我們都要來理性的討論怎麼花錢的嘛這小孩子到底在做什麼\n\n7\n00:02:18,991 --> 00:02:40,777\n所以立院要幫民眾民眾就是我們的母親要仔細審視錢有沒有亂花嘛不然真的就要打了對吧但今年來呢政府有妥善運用這些人民的血汗錢嗎今天我們想要來代替人民不是要來打要來講要來問齁我們先有請教育部長齁我一邊問部長\n\n8\n00:02:45,626 --> 00:03:03,411\n部長我想經過了這麼多場的質詢您知道教育部去年跟今年的預算分別是多少嗎今年比較多還是比較少因為部長移動需要一點時間院長您要率先回應也可以您應該要非常清楚今年比較多還比較少\n\n9\n00:03:04,943 --> 00:03:29,303\n今年比去年都多多嘛部長同意嘛那有什麼好哭的咧跟委員報告雖然多了278億大概278億但是這278億事實上是用來水電學校的水電補貼還有我們優質評價這些幼兒園的經費就是說我們增加是因為有許多的政策要推動\n\n10\n00:03:30,343 --> 00:03:57,893\n那你們為什麼還要到處哭窮哭沒有錢我們先謝謝教育部有提供完整的數據數據非常清楚今年就是比去年的預算多扣除掉檢列跟凍結今年增加277.6億當然不含通山我直接幫你講636億我直接除以8我就算扣掉通山分配到教育部一樣還是比去年多什麼水電\n\n11\n00:03:59,533 --> 00:04:22,526\n漲價的是誰不做這個台灣的這個能源的多元化不弄核電廠拼命漲價的是誰我們不要去討論這個事實上你錢就是比之前多之前怎麼花的到底用到哪裡去了學習歷程爭議不斷什麼學習歷程變成學習歷程大師一份五塊十塊兩百塊五百塊全部都有\n\n12\n00:04:23,166 --> 00:04:46,943\n然後呢到現在2025年了上傳檔案容量最高只有10MB部長知道嗎知道對不對還有什麼學習履歷槍手啦作弊啦我們的教育部次長還開罵說家長幫忙作弊但是呢有沒有解決到底最終的原因是什麼到底要怎麼優化學習歷程怎麼廢除有討論嗎你們有用媽媽給的錢來好好的做事嗎\n\n13\n00:04:50,865 --> 00:05:09,285\n跟委員報告事實上我們也在做全國的一個巡迴的開獎學習歷程多元入學變多錢入學有沒有解決上傳的檔案容量只有10MB有沒有解決請你回答請部長回答有沒有解決\n\n14\n00:05:10,066 --> 00:05:29,507\n跟委員報告委員不能用少數的一些特例然後來說整個政策它的一個否認它的一個價值性謝謝部長謝謝您同意了其實你們就是沒有好好的花錢沒有好好的了解大家的需求把所有網路上的民怨說成是特例好沒有關係謝謝有請國科會主委謝謝有請國科會主委\n\n15\n00:05:33,939 --> 00:05:39,481\n我一邊請教請教主委去年跟今年的預算分別是多少今年比較多還是比較少\n\n16\n00:05:40,626 --> 00:06:04,205\n國科會主委也需要一點移動的時間院長您可以先回答新年國科會預算比較多還比較少我們對科技預算今年支持的當然是比較多對嘛那為什麼民眾到處聽到這個也三那個也三到處都在講說科技研究沒辦法做了人沒有錢可以用我們要做的項目也比較多多的項目就要多的預算我們看數字\n\n17\n00:06:05,706 --> 00:06:33,997\n要看項目啊事實上就是增加了將近100億然後呢我們現在來看去年有沒有做得比較好嘛你去年對不起院長你去年沒有做得比較好你今年要更多的錢有意義嗎正確嗎民眾不會痛嗎委員剛剛說這是人民的血汗錢我也告訴你血汗錢嘛所以我們會用血汗來執行這筆預算我們是遵照也是遵照我們立法院委員的建議\n\n18\n00:06:34,773 --> 00:06:44,994\n我們要加強我們的算力我們要增加我們在AI的這個研究能量不好意思我打斷主委我剛剛還沒有問你啦但沒關係我們去年算力排名幾名啊\n\n19\n00:06:46,992 --> 00:07:05,170\n26但是我們會增加你確定是26嗎你算過了嗎沒有關係大家算法不同啦我們去看其他國際排名啦我們很可能連前50名都排不上啦再來我們看到明明我們做的根本就不夠多也不夠好結果咧這是我們國科會的粉絲專頁喔\n\n20\n00:07:07,750 --> 00:07:36,089\n這邊講什麼國科會預算如果可能會影響約多少可能會造成多少影響去我想作為一個科學這個是確實的如果才化法按照大院通過的對不起主委我們做科學做報告做研究可以是用如果跟大約嗎你要不要為全國科研人員做個示範是嗎我們是這樣做研究的嗎我們是這樣做報告的嗎\n\n21\n00:07:37,149 --> 00:07:54,844\n當然是這樣啊如果是真的通過的話所以就是這樣的態度人民會在意這麼科學這麼理性的部會是您用這種態度來處理來溝通這是實事求是的精神嗎我們這一頁就留在這裡大家都會看得到如果這樣通過我是非常憂心\n\n22\n00:07:57,916 --> 00:08:18,862\n這個請問好我告訴我本來想要放過這一題我告訴主委我們直接聯絡國科會我們說請問這篇頒文到底有什麼具體的影響國科會從來沒有提出論述跟佐證告訴我們這是科學嗎這是科學嗎你現在提出來你現在每一條來說明啊這是科學嗎\n\n23\n00:08:20,020 --> 00:08:36,083\n如果真的刪掉這些預算的話我們所有的計畫當然都要刪哪些計畫要刪?要刪多少錢?院長你同意這樣的態度來主掌台灣的科技嗎?科學嗎?你同意嗎?同意或不同意?我同意我們用理性\n\n24\n00:08:36,543 --> 00:09:04,693\n委員也是一個科技理性的委員啦你剛剛說我們的PETAFLOW不夠嘛那你刪掉這個預算我們資料更差啊那能不能請院長答應我們索取這方面的資料請國科院完整的提供可以嗎他們可以提供啊我們認為財化法現在雖然大院通過但是它還是有一個補助程序院長不要浪費時間我們能不能索取資料國科會的立馬請說明完整說明不要那邊汝果大約好不好好有請經濟部部長\n\n25\n00:09:08,174 --> 00:09:28,179\n謝謝主委我想經過這麼多的質詢剛剛也有兩個前例了我相信部長應該也理解我想要問的就是您清不清楚經濟部去年跟今年的預算分別是多少今年比較多還是比較少報告委員經濟部114年度預算是2134億三讀三檢以後成為1097億\n\n26\n00:09:36,770 --> 00:09:48,687\n113年度法定預算1819億相較減少722億不好意思部長我打電話給你去除掉台電的那1100億的三減到底預算是比較多還是比較少能用的錢有沒有比較多哪一個\n\n27\n00:09:52,802 --> 00:10:10,215\n去除掉1000億我們把它減劣總體經濟部的預算比較多還比較少我可以直接告訴你答案啦你們不願意給啦我直接告訴你們答案扣除掉台電的這個1000億事實上在委員會刪減的不到1%總體來講你們今年的預算還是比去年多\n\n28\n00:10:11,016 --> 00:10:24,954\n然後我們現在看到台積電現在要赴美了經濟部的部長院長一概不知說看直播才知道我們沒有這樣講喔委員我們沒有這樣講喔這個完全是對不起委員這個是媒體的這個\n\n29\n00:10:26,655 --> 00:10:49,767\n斷章取義喔我講的並不是這樣子喔我講的是說他沒有來送審但是你們都把他用指揮曲怎麼可以這樣子喔宣布的時間我們知道宣布的時間我們那天晚上不要玩文字遊戲啦我們都回去看重播啦大家都很清楚我們不是文字遊戲的部位啦你們真的以為我們什麼都不知道嗎\n\n30\n00:10:51,148 --> 00:10:56,273\n所以你們什麼都知道嗎我們沒有要玩文字遊戲啦謝謝部長其實就是比去年還多啦我們有請速發部啦速發部的部長謝謝謝謝院長不好意思\n\n31\n00:11:09,909 --> 00:11:32,424\n那一樣我們也讓這個各部會所長有一點時間那我的問題也一樣速發部今年的預算比去年多還是比較少我想院長問你清楚今年的預算比去年多多少經費多做多少事情非常清楚啦就是編列的比較多我們砍的也沒有比較多不管多做多少事情報告委員我們去年拿到是70億現在被刪除剩下51億\n\n32\n00:11:33,462 --> 00:11:59,714\n你這個數字為什麼那麼清楚你們不願意給啊你們為什麼不願意給我們索取資料你們不用意給啊你們完全你們的同仁交白券喔我們今天在附議案要做質詢你們完全交白券為什麼不提供資料部長你知道嗎我沒有好沒有關係我只是這樣講啦人家馬斯克用AI啦我們速發部如果連提供一個這樣的資料都沒有辦法做好我們怎麼有辦法相信你們編列的預算會好好花錢\n\n33\n00:12:00,996 --> 00:12:22,282\n結果打詐打了一整年我告訴我就只問部長您知不知道去年打詐我們的被詐騙金額最高是多少錢你知道嗎我們平均我們去年被詐騙金額最高那一天是多少錢一天多少錢我們一天啦去年我上面說大概是3到6億現在降到1到3億目前是這樣子\n\n34\n00:12:22,782 --> 00:12:43,278\n我報告部長也報告院長12月27號單日財損金額高達6億6千萬我是建議這一天可能要作為苦難紀念日民眾真的被騙得很慘真的是希望行政院院長您可以好好的了解各個部會到底是怎麼花錢的謝謝部長您請回\n\n35\n00:12:44,690 --> 00:13:09,943\n所以我想回到行政院啦您是部會的頭部會如果花錢花得好民眾很支持我們立法院作為民意的代表的一個機關我們當然會希望可以來尊重各個部會可是我們剛剛看到有一大堆的問題啊有學習履歷啊有這個打造的成效的這個問題啊有各式各樣的這個產業\n\n36\n00:13:11,644 --> 00:13:28,056\n多元化不足的問題啊結果咧我們現在的行政院是搞一個複議老實說啦我們現在呢是完全沒有一個機制會讓政府停擺我們是完全不能理解你們現在這樣子一直去哭去鬧\n\n37\n00:13:29,810 --> 00:13:51,315\n到底是為了什麼我想您作為行政院部會的頭我們回到一開始的例子人民媽媽是作為拿錢出來的人你們現在翻桌不認母啦直接一整年是想要跟大家講這個你們去做這個巡迴你們有願意去講剛剛這些問題如何解決嗎\n\n38\n00:13:53,736 --> 00:14:17,864\n你們願意去講嗎我請問我們到各地去跟大家講地方建設跟大家講國家發展跟大家講我們這部預算在大院支持底下我們如何認真努力的來執行我們剛剛提的所有的問題沒有一個部會首長可以完整的回答我們為什麼要編更多的預算而且我們甚至已經編了更多的預算我們的問題不完整一個部會多了這些錢你要問他你比去年多做哪些事好\n\n39\n00:14:19,073 --> 00:14:44,448\n那我就先問了我們剛剛就是用這樣的一個機制只有一個簡單的問題我們甚至連去詢問到底你刪了多少到底你編了多少你今年跟去年比起來多多少錢可以用部會不願意回答這是您主管的部會嗎您知道嗎您理解您同意嗎我們對這次的審查預算我們最終立法院沒有一個宣讀刪減總數這個地方我們認為是史無前途的\n\n40\n00:14:47,850 --> 00:14:56,220\n你剛剛講的你確定是講的是三減還是在講凍結全部都有過去的例子不管是2002年的680億的例子還是之前的凍結的例子通緩報告立法院從來沒有宣讀凍結數\n\n41\n00:15:02,927 --> 00:15:22,474\n全部的例子在過去都有每一個跟你質詢的人都提過了結果你看都不看你還講說時空環境條件不同我告訴院長如果真的是這樣我們每年都要來重新證明一次1加1等於2最後我想要跟院長講一下AI真的可以幫助我們我們現在就\n\n42\n00:15:35,174 --> 00:15:43,677\n好謝謝葛如君委員的詢問也謝謝卓院長及相關部會所長謝謝好報告全員委員會我們各黨團所\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n5945\t10088\t謝謝院長有請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長各位好院長好中華民國至今114年來至今只有18件復議案在您上任不到一年來就用了五次而且這一次還是歷史上第一次針對總預算的復議\n34687\t57903\t面對我們的國父今年是四十一百年不知道你心中有什麼感想有沒有什麼話想要對他說我們今天時間有限希望您可以想一下面對您這樣歷史留名的身份和資歷我想我與您相差甚遠但是有一件事情您我都一樣就是我們都是公僕我們都是在為人民服務\n58843\t76462\t作為為人民服務我們也要感念人民願意將他們的血和錢交給政府來運用並且期待我們的政府能夠提供好的服務但是最重要的就是這個但是人民作為母親孩子跟媽媽要零用錢\n77639\t97736\t一百塊去年九十五塊今年還多了五塊媽媽為了確保孩子沒有亂花說了其中三塊錢先扣掉一塊錢保留如果考試考的好的話就可以用明明最終的還是比去年更多但是呢小孩子突然大哭大鬧\n98817\t117976\t沒有鉛筆盒啊這個鉛筆盒要一塊我沒辦法考試這個睡不著啊沒辦法睡覺啊這個枕頭不夠鬆軟要讓它鬆軟要一塊我沒有褲子啊這個褲子有點皺這個要燙平要一塊沒辦法出門啊院長您覺得這樣的小孩有道理嗎不乖該打\n119589\t138190\t這小孩該打該打嘛對不對所以我們現在不是要來打人不是要來打人我們理性的來討教該打嘛我們現在沒有要用暴力在立法院我們和平但是呢不管要不要打我們都要來理性的討論怎麼花錢的嘛這小孩子到底在做什麼\n138991\t160777\t所以立院要幫民眾 民眾就是我們的母親要仔細審視錢有沒有亂花嘛不然真的就要打了 對吧但今年來呢 政府有妥善運用這些人民的血汗錢嗎今天我們想要來代替人民不是要來打 要來講 要來問齁我們先有請教育部長齁我一邊問 部長\n165626\t183411\t部長 我想經過了這麼多場的質詢您知道教育部去年跟今年的預算分別是多少嗎今年比較多還是比較少因為部長移動需要一點時間院長您要率先回應也可以您應該要非常清楚今年比較多還比較少\n184943\t209303\t今年比去年都多 多嘛 部長同意嘛那有什麼好哭的咧跟委員報告 雖然多了278億 大概278億但是這278億事實上是用來水電 學校的水電補貼還有我們優質評價這些幼兒園的經費就是說我們增加是因為有許多的政策要推動\n210343\t237893\t那你們為什麼還要到處哭窮哭沒有錢我們先謝謝教育部有提供完整的數據數據非常清楚今年就是比去年的預算多扣除掉檢列跟凍結今年增加277.6億當然不含通山我直接幫你講636億我直接除以8我就算扣掉通山分配到教育部一樣還是比去年多什麼水電\n239533\t262526\t漲價的是誰不做這個台灣的這個能源的多元化不弄核電廠拼命漲價的是誰我們不要去討論這個事實上你錢就是比之前多之前怎麼花的到底用到哪裡去了學習歷程爭議不斷什麼學習歷程變成學習歷程大師一份五塊十塊兩百塊五百塊全部都有\n263166\t286943\t然後呢 到現在2025年了上傳檔案容量最高只有10MB部長知道嗎 知道 對不對還有什麼學習履歷槍手啦 作弊啦我們的教育部次長還開罵 說家長幫忙作弊但是呢 有沒有解決 到底最終的原因是什麼到底要怎麼優化學習歷程 怎麼廢除 有討論嗎你們有用媽媽給的錢來好好的做事嗎\n290865\t309285\t跟委員報告事實上我們也在做全國的一個巡迴的開獎學習歷程多元入學變多錢入學有沒有解決上傳的檔案容量只有10MB有沒有解決請你回答請部長回答有沒有解決\n310066\t329507\t跟委員報告 委員不能用少數的一些特例然後來說整個政策它的一個 否認它的一個價值性謝謝部長 謝謝您同意了其實你們就是沒有好好的花錢 沒有好好的了解大家的需求把所有網路上的民怨說成是特例好沒有關係 謝謝 有請國科會主委謝謝 有請國科會主委\n333939\t339481\t我一邊請教 請教主委去年跟今年的預算分別是多少今年比較多還是比較少\n340626\t364205\t國科會主委也需要一點移動的時間院長您可以先回答新年國科會預算比較多還比較少我們對科技預算今年支持的當然是比較多對嘛那為什麼民眾到處聽到這個也三那個也三到處都在講說科技研究沒辦法做了人沒有錢可以用我們要做的項目也比較多多的項目就要多的預算我們看數字\n365706\t393997\t要看項目啊事實上就是增加了將近100億然後呢我們現在來看去年有沒有做得比較好嘛你去年對不起院長你去年沒有做得比較好你今年要更多的錢有意義嗎正確嗎民眾不會痛嗎委員剛剛說這是人民的血汗錢我也告訴你血汗錢嘛所以我們會用血汗來執行這筆預算我們是遵照也是遵照我們立法院委員的建議\n394773\t404994\t我們要加強我們的算力我們要增加我們在AI的這個研究能量不好意思我打斷主委我剛剛還沒有問你啦但沒關係我們去年算力排名幾名啊\n406992\t425170\t26但是我們會增加你確定是26嗎你算過了嗎沒有關係大家算法不同啦我們去看其他國際排名啦我們很可能連前50名都排不上啦再來我們看到明明我們做的根本就不夠多也不夠好結果咧這是我們國科會的粉絲專頁喔\n427750\t456089\t這邊講什麼國科會預算如果可能會影響約多少可能會造成多少影響去我想作為一個科學這個是確實的如果才化法按照大院通過的對不起主委我們做科學做報告做研究可以是用如果跟大約嗎你要不要為全國科研人員做個示範是嗎我們是這樣做研究的嗎我們是這樣做報告的嗎\n457149\t474844\t當然是這樣啊 如果是真的通過的話所以就是這樣的態度 人民會在意這麼科學 這麼理性的部會是您用這種態度來處理來溝通這是實事求是的精神嗎我們這一頁就留在這裡 大家都會看得到如果這樣通過 我是非常憂心\n477916\t498862\t這個 請問 好 我告訴我本來想要放過這一題 我告訴主委我們直接聯絡國科會我們說 請問這篇頒文到底有什麼具體的影響國科會從來沒有提出論述跟佐證告訴我們這是科學嗎這是科學嗎 你現在提出來你現在每一條來說明啊這是科學嗎\n500020\t516083\t如果真的刪掉這些預算的話我們所有的計畫當然都要刪哪些計畫要刪?要刪多少錢?院長你同意這樣的態度來主掌台灣的科技嗎?科學嗎?你同意嗎?同意或不同意?我同意我們用理性\n516543\t544693\t委員也是一個科技理性的委員啦你剛剛說我們的PETAFLOW不夠嘛那你刪掉這個預算我們資料更差啊那能不能請院長答應我們索取這方面的資料請國科院完整的提供可以嗎他們可以提供啊我們認為財化法現在雖然大院通過但是它還是有一個補助程序院長不要浪費時間我們能不能索取資料國科會的立馬 請說明 完整說明不要那邊汝果大約好不好 好有請經濟部部長\n548174\t568179\t謝謝主委我想經過這麼多的質詢剛剛也有兩個前例了我相信部長應該也理解我想要問的就是您清不清楚經濟部去年跟今年的預算分別是多少今年比較多還是比較少報告委員經濟部114年度預算是2134億三讀三檢以後成為1097億\n576770\t588687\t113年度法定預算1819億相較 減少722億不好意思 部長我打電話給你去除掉台電的那1100億的三減到底預算是比較多還是比較少能用的錢有沒有比較多哪一個\n592802\t610215\t去除掉1000億我們把它減劣總體經濟部的預算比較多還比較少我可以直接告訴你答案啦你們不願意給啦我直接告訴你們答案扣除掉台電的這個1000億事實上在委員會刪減的不到1%總體來講你們今年的預算還是比去年多\n611016\t624954\t然後我們現在看到台積電現在要赴美了經濟部的部長院長一概不知說看直播才知道我們沒有這樣講喔委員我們沒有這樣講喔這個完全是對不起委員這個是媒體的這個\n626655\t649767\t斷章取義喔我講的並不是這樣子喔我講的是說他沒有來送審但是你們都把他用指揮曲怎麼可以這樣子喔宣布的時間我們知道宣布的時間我們那天晚上不要玩文字遊戲啦我們都回去看重播啦大家都很清楚我們不是文字遊戲的部位啦你們真的以為我們什麼都不知道嗎\n651148\t656273\t所以你們什麼都知道嗎我們沒有要玩文字遊戲啦謝謝部長其實就是比去年還多啦我們有請速發部啦速發部的部長謝謝謝謝院長不好意思\n669909\t692424\t那一樣我們也讓這個各部會所長有一點時間那我的問題也一樣速發部今年的預算比去年多還是比較少我想院長問你清楚今年的預算比去年多多少經費多做多少事情非常清楚啦就是編列的比較多我們砍的也沒有比較多不管多做多少事情報告委員我們去年拿到是70億現在被刪除剩下51億\n693462\t719714\t你這個數字為什麼那麼清楚你們不願意給啊你們為什麼不願意給我們索取資料你們不用意給啊你們完全你們的同仁交白券喔我們今天在附議案要做質詢你們完全交白券為什麼不提供資料部長你知道嗎我沒有好沒有關係我只是這樣講啦人家馬斯克用AI啦我們速發部如果連提供一個這樣的資料都沒有辦法做好我們怎麼有辦法相信你們編列的預算會好好花錢\n720996\t742282\t結果打詐打了一整年 我告訴 我就只問部長您知不知道去年打詐我們的被詐騙金額最高是多少錢 你知道嗎我們平均我們去年被詐騙金額最高那一天是多少錢 一天多少錢我們一天啦 去年我上面說大概是3到6億現在降到1到3億 目前是這樣子\n742782\t763278\t我報告部長也報告院長12月27號單日財損金額高達6億6千萬我是建議這一天可能要作為苦難紀念日民眾真的被騙得很慘真的是希望行政院院長您可以好好的了解各個部會到底是怎麼花錢的謝謝部長您請回\n764690\t789943\t所以我想回到行政院啦您是部會的頭部會如果花錢花得好民眾很支持我們立法院作為民意的代表的一個機關我們當然會希望可以來尊重各個部會可是我們剛剛看到有一大堆的問題啊有學習履歷啊有這個打造的成效的這個問題啊有各式各樣的這個產業\n791644\t808056\t多元化不足的問題啊結果咧我們現在的行政院是搞一個複議老實說啦我們現在呢是完全沒有一個機制會讓政府停擺我們是完全不能理解你們現在這樣子一直去哭去鬧\n809810\t831315\t到底是為了什麼我想您作為行政院部會的頭我們回到一開始的例子人民媽媽是作為拿錢出來的人你們現在翻桌不認母啦直接一整年是想要跟大家講這個你們去做這個巡迴你們有願意去講剛剛這些問題如何解決嗎\n833736\t857864\t你們願意去講嗎我請問我們到各地去跟大家講地方建設跟大家講國家發展跟大家講我們這部預算在大院支持底下我們如何認真努力的來執行我們剛剛提的所有的問題沒有一個部會首長可以完整的回答我們為什麼要編更多的預算而且我們甚至已經編了更多的預算我們的問題不完整一個部會多了這些錢你要問他你比去年多做哪些事好\n859073\t884448\t那我就先問了我們剛剛就是用這樣的一個機制只有一個簡單的問題我們甚至連去詢問到底你刪了多少到底你編了多少你今年跟去年比起來多多少錢可以用部會不願意回答這是您主管的部會嗎您知道嗎 您理解 您同意嗎我們對這次的審查預算我們最終立法院沒有一個宣讀刪減總數這個地方我們認為是史無前途的\n887850\t896220\t你剛剛講的你確定是講的是三減還是在講凍結全部都有過去的例子不管是2002年的680億的例子還是之前的凍結的例子通緩報告立法院從來沒有宣讀凍結數\n902927\t922474\t全部的例子在過去都有每一個跟你質詢的人都提過了結果你看都不看你還講說時空環境條件不同我告訴院長如果真的是這樣我們每年都要來重新證明一次1加1等於2最後我想要跟院長講一下AI真的可以幫助我們我們現在就\n935174\t943677\t好 謝謝葛如君委員的詢問也謝謝卓院長及相關部會所長謝謝好 報告全員委員會我們各黨團所\n","txt":"謝謝院長有請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長各位好院長好中華民國至今114年來至今只有18件復議案在您上任不到一年來就用了五次而且這一次還是歷史上第一次針對總預算的復議\n面對我們的國父今年是四十一百年不知道你心中有什麼感想有沒有什麼話想要對他說我們今天時間有限希望您可以想一下面對您這樣歷史留名的身份和資歷我想我與您相差甚遠但是有一件事情您我都一樣就是我們都是公僕我們都是在為人民服務\n作為為人民服務我們也要感念人民願意將他們的血和錢交給政府來運用並且期待我們的政府能夠提供好的服務但是最重要的就是這個但是人民作為母親孩子跟媽媽要零用錢\n一百塊去年九十五塊今年還多了五塊媽媽為了確保孩子沒有亂花說了其中三塊錢先扣掉一塊錢保留如果考試考的好的話就可以用明明最終的還是比去年更多但是呢小孩子突然大哭大鬧\n沒有鉛筆盒啊這個鉛筆盒要一塊我沒辦法考試這個睡不著啊沒辦法睡覺啊這個枕頭不夠鬆軟要讓它鬆軟要一塊我沒有褲子啊這個褲子有點皺這個要燙平要一塊沒辦法出門啊院長您覺得這樣的小孩有道理嗎不乖該打\n這小孩該打該打嘛對不對所以我們現在不是要來打人不是要來打人我們理性的來討教該打嘛我們現在沒有要用暴力在立法院我們和平但是呢不管要不要打我們都要來理性的討論怎麼花錢的嘛這小孩子到底在做什麼\n所以立院要幫民眾 民眾就是我們的母親要仔細審視錢有沒有亂花嘛不然真的就要打了 對吧但今年來呢 政府有妥善運用這些人民的血汗錢嗎今天我們想要來代替人民不是要來打 要來講 要來問齁我們先有請教育部長齁我一邊問 部長\n部長 我想經過了這麼多場的質詢您知道教育部去年跟今年的預算分別是多少嗎今年比較多還是比較少因為部長移動需要一點時間院長您要率先回應也可以您應該要非常清楚今年比較多還比較少\n今年比去年都多 多嘛 部長同意嘛那有什麼好哭的咧跟委員報告 雖然多了278億 大概278億但是這278億事實上是用來水電 學校的水電補貼還有我們優質評價這些幼兒園的經費就是說我們增加是因為有許多的政策要推動\n那你們為什麼還要到處哭窮哭沒有錢我們先謝謝教育部有提供完整的數據數據非常清楚今年就是比去年的預算多扣除掉檢列跟凍結今年增加277.6億當然不含通山我直接幫你講636億我直接除以8我就算扣掉通山分配到教育部一樣還是比去年多什麼水電\n漲價的是誰不做這個台灣的這個能源的多元化不弄核電廠拼命漲價的是誰我們不要去討論這個事實上你錢就是比之前多之前怎麼花的到底用到哪裡去了學習歷程爭議不斷什麼學習歷程變成學習歷程大師一份五塊十塊兩百塊五百塊全部都有\n然後呢 到現在2025年了上傳檔案容量最高只有10MB部長知道嗎 知道 對不對還有什麼學習履歷槍手啦 作弊啦我們的教育部次長還開罵 說家長幫忙作弊但是呢 有沒有解決 到底最終的原因是什麼到底要怎麼優化學習歷程 怎麼廢除 有討論嗎你們有用媽媽給的錢來好好的做事嗎\n跟委員報告事實上我們也在做全國的一個巡迴的開獎學習歷程多元入學變多錢入學有沒有解決上傳的檔案容量只有10MB有沒有解決請你回答請部長回答有沒有解決\n跟委員報告 委員不能用少數的一些特例然後來說整個政策它的一個 否認它的一個價值性謝謝部長 謝謝您同意了其實你們就是沒有好好的花錢 沒有好好的了解大家的需求把所有網路上的民怨說成是特例好沒有關係 謝謝 有請國科會主委謝謝 有請國科會主委\n我一邊請教 請教主委去年跟今年的預算分別是多少今年比較多還是比較少\n國科會主委也需要一點移動的時間院長您可以先回答新年國科會預算比較多還比較少我們對科技預算今年支持的當然是比較多對嘛那為什麼民眾到處聽到這個也三那個也三到處都在講說科技研究沒辦法做了人沒有錢可以用我們要做的項目也比較多多的項目就要多的預算我們看數字\n要看項目啊事實上就是增加了將近100億然後呢我們現在來看去年有沒有做得比較好嘛你去年對不起院長你去年沒有做得比較好你今年要更多的錢有意義嗎正確嗎民眾不會痛嗎委員剛剛說這是人民的血汗錢我也告訴你血汗錢嘛所以我們會用血汗來執行這筆預算我們是遵照也是遵照我們立法院委員的建議\n我們要加強我們的算力我們要增加我們在AI的這個研究能量不好意思我打斷主委我剛剛還沒有問你啦但沒關係我們去年算力排名幾名啊\n26但是我們會增加你確定是26嗎你算過了嗎沒有關係大家算法不同啦我們去看其他國際排名啦我們很可能連前50名都排不上啦再來我們看到明明我們做的根本就不夠多也不夠好結果咧這是我們國科會的粉絲專頁喔\n這邊講什麼國科會預算如果可能會影響約多少可能會造成多少影響去我想作為一個科學這個是確實的如果才化法按照大院通過的對不起主委我們做科學做報告做研究可以是用如果跟大約嗎你要不要為全國科研人員做個示範是嗎我們是這樣做研究的嗎我們是這樣做報告的嗎\n當然是這樣啊 如果是真的通過的話所以就是這樣的態度 人民會在意這麼科學 這麼理性的部會是您用這種態度來處理來溝通這是實事求是的精神嗎我們這一頁就留在這裡 大家都會看得到如果這樣通過 我是非常憂心\n這個 請問 好 我告訴我本來想要放過這一題 我告訴主委我們直接聯絡國科會我們說 請問這篇頒文到底有什麼具體的影響國科會從來沒有提出論述跟佐證告訴我們這是科學嗎這是科學嗎 你現在提出來你現在每一條來說明啊這是科學嗎\n如果真的刪掉這些預算的話我們所有的計畫當然都要刪哪些計畫要刪?要刪多少錢?院長你同意這樣的態度來主掌台灣的科技嗎?科學嗎?你同意嗎?同意或不同意?我同意我們用理性\n委員也是一個科技理性的委員啦你剛剛說我們的PETAFLOW不夠嘛那你刪掉這個預算我們資料更差啊那能不能請院長答應我們索取這方面的資料請國科院完整的提供可以嗎他們可以提供啊我們認為財化法現在雖然大院通過但是它還是有一個補助程序院長不要浪費時間我們能不能索取資料國科會的立馬 請說明 完整說明不要那邊汝果大約好不好 好有請經濟部部長\n謝謝主委我想經過這麼多的質詢剛剛也有兩個前例了我相信部長應該也理解我想要問的就是您清不清楚經濟部去年跟今年的預算分別是多少今年比較多還是比較少報告委員經濟部114年度預算是2134億三讀三檢以後成為1097億\n113年度法定預算1819億相較 減少722億不好意思 部長我打電話給你去除掉台電的那1100億的三減到底預算是比較多還是比較少能用的錢有沒有比較多哪一個\n去除掉1000億我們把它減劣總體經濟部的預算比較多還比較少我可以直接告訴你答案啦你們不願意給啦我直接告訴你們答案扣除掉台電的這個1000億事實上在委員會刪減的不到1%總體來講你們今年的預算還是比去年多\n然後我們現在看到台積電現在要赴美了經濟部的部長院長一概不知說看直播才知道我們沒有這樣講喔委員我們沒有這樣講喔這個完全是對不起委員這個是媒體的這個\n斷章取義喔我講的並不是這樣子喔我講的是說他沒有來送審但是你們都把他用指揮曲怎麼可以這樣子喔宣布的時間我們知道宣布的時間我們那天晚上不要玩文字遊戲啦我們都回去看重播啦大家都很清楚我們不是文字遊戲的部位啦你們真的以為我們什麼都不知道嗎\n所以你們什麼都知道嗎我們沒有要玩文字遊戲啦謝謝部長其實就是比去年還多啦我們有請速發部啦速發部的部長謝謝謝謝院長不好意思\n那一樣我們也讓這個各部會所長有一點時間那我的問題也一樣速發部今年的預算比去年多還是比較少我想院長問你清楚今年的預算比去年多多少經費多做多少事情非常清楚啦就是編列的比較多我們砍的也沒有比較多不管多做多少事情報告委員我們去年拿到是70億現在被刪除剩下51億\n你這個數字為什麼那麼清楚你們不願意給啊你們為什麼不願意給我們索取資料你們不用意給啊你們完全你們的同仁交白券喔我們今天在附議案要做質詢你們完全交白券為什麼不提供資料部長你知道嗎我沒有好沒有關係我只是這樣講啦人家馬斯克用AI啦我們速發部如果連提供一個這樣的資料都沒有辦法做好我們怎麼有辦法相信你們編列的預算會好好花錢\n結果打詐打了一整年 我告訴 我就只問部長您知不知道去年打詐我們的被詐騙金額最高是多少錢 你知道嗎我們平均我們去年被詐騙金額最高那一天是多少錢 一天多少錢我們一天啦 去年我上面說大概是3到6億現在降到1到3億 目前是這樣子\n我報告部長也報告院長12月27號單日財損金額高達6億6千萬我是建議這一天可能要作為苦難紀念日民眾真的被騙得很慘真的是希望行政院院長您可以好好的了解各個部會到底是怎麼花錢的謝謝部長您請回\n所以我想回到行政院啦您是部會的頭部會如果花錢花得好民眾很支持我們立法院作為民意的代表的一個機關我們當然會希望可以來尊重各個部會可是我們剛剛看到有一大堆的問題啊有學習履歷啊有這個打造的成效的這個問題啊有各式各樣的這個產業\n多元化不足的問題啊結果咧我們現在的行政院是搞一個複議老實說啦我們現在呢是完全沒有一個機制會讓政府停擺我們是完全不能理解你們現在這樣子一直去哭去鬧\n到底是為了什麼我想您作為行政院部會的頭我們回到一開始的例子人民媽媽是作為拿錢出來的人你們現在翻桌不認母啦直接一整年是想要跟大家講這個你們去做這個巡迴你們有願意去講剛剛這些問題如何解決嗎\n你們願意去講嗎我請問我們到各地去跟大家講地方建設跟大家講國家發展跟大家講我們這部預算在大院支持底下我們如何認真努力的來執行我們剛剛提的所有的問題沒有一個部會首長可以完整的回答我們為什麼要編更多的預算而且我們甚至已經編了更多的預算我們的問題不完整一個部會多了這些錢你要問他你比去年多做哪些事好\n那我就先問了我們剛剛就是用這樣的一個機制只有一個簡單的問題我們甚至連去詢問到底你刪了多少到底你編了多少你今年跟去年比起來多多少錢可以用部會不願意回答這是您主管的部會嗎您知道嗎 您理解 您同意嗎我們對這次的審查預算我們最終立法院沒有一個宣讀刪減總數這個地方我們認為是史無前途的\n你剛剛講的你確定是講的是三減還是在講凍結全部都有過去的例子不管是2002年的680億的例子還是之前的凍結的例子通緩報告立法院從來沒有宣讀凍結數\n全部的例子在過去都有每一個跟你質詢的人都提過了結果你看都不看你還講說時空環境條件不同我告訴院長如果真的是這樣我們每年都要來重新證明一次1加1等於2最後我想要跟院長講一下AI真的可以幫助我們我們現在就\n好 謝謝葛如君委員的詢問也謝謝卓院長及相關部會所長謝謝好 報告全員委員會我們各黨團所\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.945 --> 00:10.088\n謝謝院長有請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長各位好院長好中華民國至今114年來至今只有18件復議案在您上任不到一年來就用了五次而且這一次還是歷史上第一次針對總預算的復議\n\n00:34.687 --> 00:57.903\n面對我們的國父今年是四十一百年不知道你心中有什麼感想有沒有什麼話想要對他說我們今天時間有限希望您可以想一下面對您這樣歷史留名的身份和資歷我想我與您相差甚遠但是有一件事情您我都一樣就是我們都是公僕我們都是在為人民服務\n\n00:58.843 --> 01:16.462\n作為為人民服務我們也要感念人民願意將他們的血和錢交給政府來運用並且期待我們的政府能夠提供好的服務但是最重要的就是這個但是人民作為母親孩子跟媽媽要零用錢\n\n01:17.639 --> 01:37.736\n一百塊去年九十五塊今年還多了五塊媽媽為了確保孩子沒有亂花說了其中三塊錢先扣掉一塊錢保留如果考試考的好的話就可以用明明最終的還是比去年更多但是呢小孩子突然大哭大鬧\n\n01:38.817 --> 01:57.976\n沒有鉛筆盒啊這個鉛筆盒要一塊我沒辦法考試這個睡不著啊沒辦法睡覺啊這個枕頭不夠鬆軟要讓它鬆軟要一塊我沒有褲子啊這個褲子有點皺這個要燙平要一塊沒辦法出門啊院長您覺得這樣的小孩有道理嗎不乖該打\n\n01:59.589 --> 02:18.190\n這小孩該打該打嘛對不對所以我們現在不是要來打人不是要來打人我們理性的來討教該打嘛我們現在沒有要用暴力在立法院我們和平但是呢不管要不要打我們都要來理性的討論怎麼花錢的嘛這小孩子到底在做什麼\n\n02:18.991 --> 02:40.777\n所以立院要幫民眾民眾就是我們的母親要仔細審視錢有沒有亂花嘛不然真的就要打了對吧但今年來呢政府有妥善運用這些人民的血汗錢嗎今天我們想要來代替人民不是要來打要來講要來問齁我們先有請教育部長齁我一邊問部長\n\n02:45.626 --> 03:03.411\n部長我想經過了這麼多場的質詢您知道教育部去年跟今年的預算分別是多少嗎今年比較多還是比較少因為部長移動需要一點時間院長您要率先回應也可以您應該要非常清楚今年比較多還比較少\n\n03:04.943 --> 03:29.303\n今年比去年都多多嘛部長同意嘛那有什麼好哭的咧跟委員報告雖然多了278億大概278億但是這278億事實上是用來水電學校的水電補貼還有我們優質評價這些幼兒園的經費就是說我們增加是因為有許多的政策要推動\n\n03:30.343 --> 03:57.893\n那你們為什麼還要到處哭窮哭沒有錢我們先謝謝教育部有提供完整的數據數據非常清楚今年就是比去年的預算多扣除掉檢列跟凍結今年增加277.6億當然不含通山我直接幫你講636億我直接除以8我就算扣掉通山分配到教育部一樣還是比去年多什麼水電\n\n03:59.533 --> 04:22.526\n漲價的是誰不做這個台灣的這個能源的多元化不弄核電廠拼命漲價的是誰我們不要去討論這個事實上你錢就是比之前多之前怎麼花的到底用到哪裡去了學習歷程爭議不斷什麼學習歷程變成學習歷程大師一份五塊十塊兩百塊五百塊全部都有\n\n04:23.166 --> 04:46.943\n然後呢到現在2025年了上傳檔案容量最高只有10MB部長知道嗎知道對不對還有什麼學習履歷槍手啦作弊啦我們的教育部次長還開罵說家長幫忙作弊但是呢有沒有解決到底最終的原因是什麼到底要怎麼優化學習歷程怎麼廢除有討論嗎你們有用媽媽給的錢來好好的做事嗎\n\n04:50.865 --> 05:09.285\n跟委員報告事實上我們也在做全國的一個巡迴的開獎學習歷程多元入學變多錢入學有沒有解決上傳的檔案容量只有10MB有沒有解決請你回答請部長回答有沒有解決\n\n05:10.066 --> 05:29.507\n跟委員報告委員不能用少數的一些特例然後來說整個政策它的一個否認它的一個價值性謝謝部長謝謝您同意了其實你們就是沒有好好的花錢沒有好好的了解大家的需求把所有網路上的民怨說成是特例好沒有關係謝謝有請國科會主委謝謝有請國科會主委\n\n05:33.939 --> 05:39.481\n我一邊請教請教主委去年跟今年的預算分別是多少今年比較多還是比較少\n\n05:40.626 --> 06:04.205\n國科會主委也需要一點移動的時間院長您可以先回答新年國科會預算比較多還比較少我們對科技預算今年支持的當然是比較多對嘛那為什麼民眾到處聽到這個也三那個也三到處都在講說科技研究沒辦法做了人沒有錢可以用我們要做的項目也比較多多的項目就要多的預算我們看數字\n\n06:05.706 --> 06:33.997\n要看項目啊事實上就是增加了將近100億然後呢我們現在來看去年有沒有做得比較好嘛你去年對不起院長你去年沒有做得比較好你今年要更多的錢有意義嗎正確嗎民眾不會痛嗎委員剛剛說這是人民的血汗錢我也告訴你血汗錢嘛所以我們會用血汗來執行這筆預算我們是遵照也是遵照我們立法院委員的建議\n\n06:34.773 --> 06:44.994\n我們要加強我們的算力我們要增加我們在AI的這個研究能量不好意思我打斷主委我剛剛還沒有問你啦但沒關係我們去年算力排名幾名啊\n\n06:46.992 --> 07:05.170\n26但是我們會增加你確定是26嗎你算過了嗎沒有關係大家算法不同啦我們去看其他國際排名啦我們很可能連前50名都排不上啦再來我們看到明明我們做的根本就不夠多也不夠好結果咧這是我們國科會的粉絲專頁喔\n\n07:07.750 --> 07:36.089\n這邊講什麼國科會預算如果可能會影響約多少可能會造成多少影響去我想作為一個科學這個是確實的如果才化法按照大院通過的對不起主委我們做科學做報告做研究可以是用如果跟大約嗎你要不要為全國科研人員做個示範是嗎我們是這樣做研究的嗎我們是這樣做報告的嗎\n\n07:37.149 --> 07:54.844\n當然是這樣啊如果是真的通過的話所以就是這樣的態度人民會在意這麼科學這麼理性的部會是您用這種態度來處理來溝通這是實事求是的精神嗎我們這一頁就留在這裡大家都會看得到如果這樣通過我是非常憂心\n\n07:57.916 --> 08:18.862\n這個請問好我告訴我本來想要放過這一題我告訴主委我們直接聯絡國科會我們說請問這篇頒文到底有什麼具體的影響國科會從來沒有提出論述跟佐證告訴我們這是科學嗎這是科學嗎你現在提出來你現在每一條來說明啊這是科學嗎\n\n08:20.020 --> 08:36.083\n如果真的刪掉這些預算的話我們所有的計畫當然都要刪哪些計畫要刪?要刪多少錢?院長你同意這樣的態度來主掌台灣的科技嗎?科學嗎?你同意嗎?同意或不同意?我同意我們用理性\n\n08:36.543 --> 09:04.693\n委員也是一個科技理性的委員啦你剛剛說我們的PETAFLOW不夠嘛那你刪掉這個預算我們資料更差啊那能不能請院長答應我們索取這方面的資料請國科院完整的提供可以嗎他們可以提供啊我們認為財化法現在雖然大院通過但是它還是有一個補助程序院長不要浪費時間我們能不能索取資料國科會的立馬請說明完整說明不要那邊汝果大約好不好好有請經濟部部長\n\n09:08.174 --> 09:28.179\n謝謝主委我想經過這麼多的質詢剛剛也有兩個前例了我相信部長應該也理解我想要問的就是您清不清楚經濟部去年跟今年的預算分別是多少今年比較多還是比較少報告委員經濟部114年度預算是2134億三讀三檢以後成為1097億\n\n09:36.770 --> 09:48.687\n113年度法定預算1819億相較減少722億不好意思部長我打電話給你去除掉台電的那1100億的三減到底預算是比較多還是比較少能用的錢有沒有比較多哪一個\n\n09:52.802 --> 10:10.215\n去除掉1000億我們把它減劣總體經濟部的預算比較多還比較少我可以直接告訴你答案啦你們不願意給啦我直接告訴你們答案扣除掉台電的這個1000億事實上在委員會刪減的不到1%總體來講你們今年的預算還是比去年多\n\n10:11.016 --> 10:24.954\n然後我們現在看到台積電現在要赴美了經濟部的部長院長一概不知說看直播才知道我們沒有這樣講喔委員我們沒有這樣講喔這個完全是對不起委員這個是媒體的這個\n\n10:26.655 --> 10:49.767\n斷章取義喔我講的並不是這樣子喔我講的是說他沒有來送審但是你們都把他用指揮曲怎麼可以這樣子喔宣布的時間我們知道宣布的時間我們那天晚上不要玩文字遊戲啦我們都回去看重播啦大家都很清楚我們不是文字遊戲的部位啦你們真的以為我們什麼都不知道嗎\n\n10:51.148 --> 10:56.273\n所以你們什麼都知道嗎我們沒有要玩文字遊戲啦謝謝部長其實就是比去年還多啦我們有請速發部啦速發部的部長謝謝謝謝院長不好意思\n\n11:09.909 --> 11:32.424\n那一樣我們也讓這個各部會所長有一點時間那我的問題也一樣速發部今年的預算比去年多還是比較少我想院長問你清楚今年的預算比去年多多少經費多做多少事情非常清楚啦就是編列的比較多我們砍的也沒有比較多不管多做多少事情報告委員我們去年拿到是70億現在被刪除剩下51億\n\n11:33.462 --> 11:59.714\n你這個數字為什麼那麼清楚你們不願意給啊你們為什麼不願意給我們索取資料你們不用意給啊你們完全你們的同仁交白券喔我們今天在附議案要做質詢你們完全交白券為什麼不提供資料部長你知道嗎我沒有好沒有關係我只是這樣講啦人家馬斯克用AI啦我們速發部如果連提供一個這樣的資料都沒有辦法做好我們怎麼有辦法相信你們編列的預算會好好花錢\n\n12:00.996 --> 12:22.282\n結果打詐打了一整年我告訴我就只問部長您知不知道去年打詐我們的被詐騙金額最高是多少錢你知道嗎我們平均我們去年被詐騙金額最高那一天是多少錢一天多少錢我們一天啦去年我上面說大概是3到6億現在降到1到3億目前是這樣子\n\n12:22.782 --> 12:43.278\n我報告部長也報告院長12月27號單日財損金額高達6億6千萬我是建議這一天可能要作為苦難紀念日民眾真的被騙得很慘真的是希望行政院院長您可以好好的了解各個部會到底是怎麼花錢的謝謝部長您請回\n\n12:44.690 --> 13:09.943\n所以我想回到行政院啦您是部會的頭部會如果花錢花得好民眾很支持我們立法院作為民意的代表的一個機關我們當然會希望可以來尊重各個部會可是我們剛剛看到有一大堆的問題啊有學習履歷啊有這個打造的成效的這個問題啊有各式各樣的這個產業\n\n13:11.644 --> 13:28.056\n多元化不足的問題啊結果咧我們現在的行政院是搞一個複議老實說啦我們現在呢是完全沒有一個機制會讓政府停擺我們是完全不能理解你們現在這樣子一直去哭去鬧\n\n13:29.810 --> 13:51.315\n到底是為了什麼我想您作為行政院部會的頭我們回到一開始的例子人民媽媽是作為拿錢出來的人你們現在翻桌不認母啦直接一整年是想要跟大家講這個你們去做這個巡迴你們有願意去講剛剛這些問題如何解決嗎\n\n13:53.736 --> 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我就只問部長您知不知道去年打詐我們的被詐騙金額最高是多少錢 你知道嗎我們平均我們去年被詐騙金額最高那一天是多少錢 一天多少錢我們一天啦 去年我上面說大概是3到6億現在降到1到3億 目前是這樣子"},{"start":742.782,"end":763.278,"text":"我報告部長也報告院長12月27號單日財損金額高達6億6千萬我是建議這一天可能要作為苦難紀念日民眾真的被騙得很慘真的是希望行政院院長您可以好好的了解各個部會到底是怎麼花錢的謝謝部長您請回"},{"start":764.69,"end":789.943,"text":"所以我想回到行政院啦您是部會的頭部會如果花錢花得好民眾很支持我們立法院作為民意的代表的一個機關我們當然會希望可以來尊重各個部會可是我們剛剛看到有一大堆的問題啊有學習履歷啊有這個打造的成效的這個問題啊有各式各樣的這個產業"},{"start":791.644,"end":808.056,"text":"多元化不足的問題啊結果咧我們現在的行政院是搞一個複議老實說啦我們現在呢是完全沒有一個機制會讓政府停擺我們是完全不能理解你們現在這樣子一直去哭去鬧"},{"start":809.81,"end":831.315,"text":"到底是為了什麼我想您作為行政院部會的頭我們回到一開始的例子人民媽媽是作為拿錢出來的人你們現在翻桌不認母啦直接一整年是想要跟大家講這個你們去做這個巡迴你們有願意去講剛剛這些問題如何解決嗎"},{"start":833.736,"end":857.864,"text":"你們願意去講嗎我請問我們到各地去跟大家講地方建設跟大家講國家發展跟大家講我們這部預算在大院支持底下我們如何認真努力的來執行我們剛剛提的所有的問題沒有一個部會首長可以完整的回答我們為什麼要編更多的預算而且我們甚至已經編了更多的預算我們的問題不完整一個部會多了這些錢你要問他你比去年多做哪些事好"},{"start":859.073,"end":884.448,"text":"那我就先問了我們剛剛就是用這樣的一個機制只有一個簡單的問題我們甚至連去詢問到底你刪了多少到底你編了多少你今年跟去年比起來多多少錢可以用部會不願意回答這是您主管的部會嗎您知道嗎 您理解 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員如鈞：被詐騙金額最高的那一天是多少錢？一天多少錢？"],["黃部長彥男：報告委員，去年我上任的時候，一天大概是3到6億，現在降到1到3億，目前是這樣子。"],["葛委員如鈞：我報告部長也報告院長，12月27日單日財損金額高達6億6,000萬啦！我是建議這一天可能要作為苦難紀念日，民眾真的被騙得很慘，真的希望行政院院長您可以好好地了解各個部會到底是怎麼花錢的。謝謝部長，您請回。","所以回到行政院，您是部會的頭，部會如果花錢花得好，民眾很支持，我們立法院作為民意代表的機關，我們當然會希望可以來尊重各個部會。可是我們剛剛看到有一大堆的問題，有學習履歷、有打詐成效的問題、有各式各樣的產業多元化不足的問題，結果現在行政院是搞一個覆議。老實說，現在是完全沒有一個機制會讓政府停擺，我們是完全不能理解你們現在這樣子一直去哭、去鬧，到底是為了什麼？我想您作為行政院部會的頭，我們回到一開始的例子，人民、媽媽是作為拿錢出來的人，你們現在翻桌不認母，直接一整年是想要跟大家講這個，你們去做巡迴，你們願意去講剛剛這些問題如何解決嗎？你們願意去講嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：我情願我們到各地去跟大家講地方建設，跟大家講國家發展，跟大家講這部預算在大院支持底下，我們如何認真努力地來執行。"],["葛委員如鈞：我們剛剛提的所有問題，沒有一個部會首長可以完整地回答……"],["卓院長榮泰：不是，你的問題不完整。"],["葛委員如鈞：我們為什麼要編更多的預算？而且我們甚至已經編了更多的預算。"],["卓院長榮泰：委員的問題不完整，一個部會多了這些錢，你要問他比去年多了做哪件事……"],["葛委員如鈞：問題不完整？好，我就先問啦，我們剛剛就是用這樣的一個機制，只有一個簡單的問題，我們甚至連去詢問到底你刪了多少、到底你編了多少、你今年跟去年比起來多多少錢可以用，部會都不願意回答！這是您主管的部會嗎？您知道嗎？您理解、您同意嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：不是，對於這次的審查預算，我們對最終立法院沒有一個宣讀刪減總數這個地方，我們認為是史無前例的。"],["葛委員如鈞：好，你剛剛講的，你確定講的是刪減還是在講凍結？全部都有過去的例子，不管是2002年680億的例子，還是之前凍結的例子，統統都有。"],["卓院長榮泰：跟委員報告，立法院從來沒有宣讀凍結數。"],["葛委員如鈞：全部的例子在過去都有，每一個跟你質詢的人都提過了，結果你看都不看，你還說時空環境條件不同。我告訴院長，如果真的是這樣，我們每年都要來重新證明一次1加1等於2。","最後，我想要跟院長講一下，AI真的可以幫助我們，我們現在就已經推出AI分析預算的機制，我們甚至開源，希望大家一起來認同，我們一起用科學的方式來理解預算、編列預算，可以嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：好，謝謝委員指教。"],["葛委員如鈞：謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝葛如鈞委員的詢問，也謝謝卓院長及相關部會首長。","報告全院委員會，各黨團所推派的委員均已詢答完畢，行政院所提中華民國114年度中央政府總預算之覆議案審查完竣，謝謝行政院卓院長及各部會首長列席說明，今天的會議到此為止。明天3月12日（星期三）上午9點繼續開會，審查財政收支劃分法之覆議案，現在休息。","休息（15時35分）"]],"agenda":{"page_end":274,"meet_id":"全院委員會-11-3-2","speakers":["韓國瑜","江啟臣","吳思瑤","傅崐萁","翁曉玲","林倩綺","范雲","林國成","賴瑞隆","王定宇","徐欣瑩","林岱樺","許宇甄","郭國文","洪孟楷","鍾佳濱","葛如鈞"],"page_start":191,"meetingDate":["2025-03-11"],"gazette_id":"1142501","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1142501_00010"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期第2次全院委員會會議紀錄","content":"「中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案」覆議案","agenda_id":"1142501_00019"}}}