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00:00:55,545\n那麼目前這個事情的原委跟狀態到底是一個什麼樣的狀況因為我相信身為職業軍人手機是非常重要的如果根據媒體的報導以及昨天晚上呃國防部傍晚第八軍團所發的新聞稿是說這個無姓士兵是不慎把手機弄掉之後馬上就去警察備案跟手機都註銷了那麼目前了解的過程當中這位\n\n4\n00:01:01,029 --> 00:01:15,524\n弟兄已經退役是嗎那麼到底這個手機是否涉及軍事機密然後再來如果說有這樣的事件發生之後接下來國防部注意到那麼到底有沒有什麼樣的SOP來做處理\n\n5\n00:01:18,127 --> 00:01:39,765\n跟委員報告,第一個就如您所講的,這個是他在退伍前的一個持有的手機遺失的狀況那這個上面有一個MDM的這樣的一個系統,這個MDM的系統就是說讓你在營區之內不能夠私自拍攝、錄影,然後藍牙定位的工人都不能夠使用\n\n6\n00:01:40,385 --> 00:02:01,840\n那這個的手機我們看出來就是說它現在所刊登的這兩張照片看起來都是屬於單位核定一個可以公開的一個照片而且這個不是它自己拍攝的照片所以可見MDM確實有發揮它的功能也就是說它\n\n7\n00:02:02,700 --> 00:02:29,072\n有這個MDM的這個功能他到營區之內他就不能夠去拍攝嘛所以這兩張照片不是他拍攝這兩張照片是應該是單位的主管核可它是一個可以已經可以公開給新聞的一個照片讓他們為了留作紀念不是不涉軍事紀念對對對它是一個完全不涉密的一個公開新聞的一個畫面也不是他\n\n8\n00:02:30,239 --> 00:02:46,133\n用他這個手機在營區內拍攝所以這個可以反證就是說MDM的存在是可以防止這樣他四次拍攝的一個那所以這個要特別跟委員說明一下也跟各界說明一下\n\n9\n00:02:46,653 --> 00:02:52,075\n言下之意就是說當然首先第一個部分是這一支手機在中國被發現當然大家會覺得要必須提高警覺有沒有所謂軍中涉密或者是洩密這樣的一個狀況那麼\n\n10\n00:03:01,998 --> 00:03:23,007\n所以說剛剛第二個部分就是提到那麼我們現在有MDM這樣的一個設備或設施有效的杜絕了就是說個人的手機在軍中做不必要的拍攝連線上網或者是這種洩密的部分這是但是在對於這一位退伍的相關的弟兄現在目前聯絡上了嗎因為他已經退伍了\n\n11\n00:03:24,597 --> 00:03:38,235\n因為他在之前退伍前不勝遺失的時候都已經向報案了那單位也言下之意是137旅當時是知道他手機遺失然後有做報案嗎?對\n\n12\n00:03:40,345 --> 00:03:56,675\n所以說基本上就對於說這樣的一個整個了解的過程目前就是一個比較單純性個案性的手機儀式沒有其他的可能的洩密或者是相關的部分需要再注意的是我想現在當然就是說\n\n13\n00:03:57,635 --> 00:04:13,085\n我們現在要著重當然就是說進入營區的MDM要開啟這一個部分我們執行上要落實啦這個那至少就這個個案上來講現在還看不到他有實時拍攝機敏的照片流出的一個狀況這樣子\n\n14\n00:04:14,266 --> 00:04:36,126\n好謝謝部長的回覆因為我想這個對於我們擔憂軍中洩密的部分包括前幾天報紙也開始在講就是我們還是要再修入海空軍事的軍事懲戒相關的法則因為對岸的滲透是步步逼近而手機的部分確實是一個掌握訊息最快速的方式而剛剛部長也特別提到了就是這個MDM這樣的設備其實對於軍中的守密或者是避免洩密\n\n15\n00:04:40,970 --> 00:05:09,650\n是非常重要的但是所有的器材設備最重要的要更新之外背後是要有預算的協助但是昨天跟前天在立法院當中我們知道我們的總預算還有就是我們的裁劃法附議目前都完全是失敗被藍白聯手擋下來了那麼接下來其實我們要考量到的就是第一線的國軍弟兄在他們的設備包括今天我們討論到的有關於有音高叫機等等的事故那其實講到的就是要讓\n\n16\n00:05:10,971 --> 00:05:27,596\n在軍中的弟兄服役的時候能夠安心安全除了設備之外還是設備而且除了我們的武器能夠精良之外這些全部都需要預算的支持昨天主計長有特別講到總預算跟才化法如果現在通通\n\n17\n00:05:28,436 --> 00:05:46,224\n負益失敗的話那麼就等於說在今年2025年的3.1兆的預算當中扣除了薪資之後能夠運用的是1.3兆但是還有縣市的補助還有相關的這個預算的支出就剩下1.1兆因為我們被刪減了2076億那麼如果\n\n18\n00:05:49,485 --> 00:06:08,495\n再算才化法目前不知道才化法算或不算因為失實之後這個到底是從2026年開始還是從今年開始我們也不知道但是部長我現在想問的就是我們也知道前幾天有國民黨的委員已經提到說好我們要幫國軍來加薪那麼我也知道其實早在\n\n19\n00:06:10,816 --> 00:06:39,118\n這個會期開始之前在去年部長跟行政院這邊也報請了加薪的部分如果現在整體的國家預算只剩下7000萬的時候我覺得就事論事那麼目前不論是加薪或者是軍備的建構或者是我們今天講到的設備維修甚至於後勤的費用這些都非常的重要而如果針對主計長所說的就是有百分之各個部會\n\n20\n00:06:39,818 --> 00:07:08,052\n都會刪減至少百分之二十八現在這四個我列出來的我相信對部長來說手心手背都是肉每一樣都重要部長我們現在該怎麼辦包括在野黨來勢洶洶的要提國軍加薪我也認為必須要給現任的尤其是現職的這些服役的軍人有更好的服役跟待遇他們才願意面對這些危險的工作然後二十四小時的守護國家那麼現在我們該怎麼辦\n\n21\n00:07:11,433 --> 00:07:28,902\n這個有關財劃法的部分影響的程度是不是先請主席來主席局早委員大家好我是主席局局長有關財劃法這部分因為之前有講有可能會影響到國防預算的編列這一部分那我想後續我們國防部\n\n22\n00:07:29,782 --> 00:07:41,516\n還是會按照國家整體的財政的狀況跟我們的返回住宅需求我們會跟行政院在編預算的階段的時候會適度的來協調溝通會提出我們一個比較妥適的一個需求\n\n23\n00:07:42,295 --> 00:07:59,127\n好那部長我要請問就是那現在在野黨也有提說要加薪其實事實上我們在去年12月的時候也批報了院會了那現在部長的規劃會是什麼而在現在巧婦難為無米之炊啊整體的國家預算就是捉襟見肘的情況底下那該怎麼辦\n\n24\n00:08:01,772 --> 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謝謝部長的回覆因為我想這個對於我們擔憂軍中洩密的部分包括前幾天報紙也開始在講就是我們還是要再修入海空軍事的軍事懲戒相關的法則因為對岸的滲透是步步逼近而手機的部分確實是一個掌握訊息最快速的方式而剛剛部長也特別提到了就是這個MDM這樣的設備其實對於軍中的守密或者是避免洩密\n280970\t309650\t是非常重要的但是所有的器材設備最重要的要更新之外背後是要有預算的協助但是昨天跟前天在立法院當中我們知道我們的總預算還有就是我們的裁劃法附議目前都完全是失敗被藍白聯手擋下來了那麼接下來其實我們要考量到的就是第一線的國軍弟兄在他們的設備包括今天我們討論到的有關於有音高叫機等等的事故那其實講到的就是要讓\n310971\t327596\t在軍中的弟兄服役的時候能夠安心安全除了設備之外還是設備而且除了我們的武器能夠精良之外這些全部都需要預算的支持昨天主計長有特別講到總預算跟才化法如果現在通通\n328436\t346224\t負益失敗的話那麼就等於說在今年2025年的3.1兆的預算當中扣除了薪資之後能夠運用的是1.3兆但是還有縣市的補助還有相關的這個預算的支出就剩下1.1兆因為我們被刪減了2076億那麼如果\n349485\t368495\t再算才化法目前不知道才化法算或不算因為失實之後這個到底是從2026年開始還是從今年開始我們也不知道但是部長我現在想問的就是我們也知道前幾天有國民黨的委員已經提到說好我們要幫國軍來加薪那麼我也知道其實早在\n370816\t399118\t這個會期開始之前在去年部長跟行政院這邊也報請了加薪的部分如果現在整體的國家預算只剩下7000萬的時候我覺得就事論事那麼目前不論是加薪或者是軍備的建構或者是我們今天講到的設備維修甚至於後勤的費用這些都非常的重要而如果針對主計長所說的就是有百分之各個部會\n399818\t428052\t都會刪減至少百分之二十八現在這四個我列出來的我相信對部長來說手心手背都是肉每一樣都重要部長我們現在該怎麼辦包括在野黨來勢洶洶的要提國軍加薪我也認為必須要給現任的尤其是現職的這些服役的軍人有更好的服役跟待遇他們才願意面對這些危險的工作然後二十四小時的守護國家那麼現在我們該怎麼辦\n431433\t448902\t這個有關財劃法的部分影響的程度是不是先請主席來 主席局早 委員大家好我是主席局局長有關財劃法這部分因為之前有講有可能會影響到國防預算的編列這一部分那我想後續我們國防部\n449782\t461516\t還是會按照國家整體的財政的狀況跟我們的返回住宅需求我們會跟行政院在編預算的階段的時候會適度的來協調溝通會提出我們一個比較妥適的一個需求\n462295\t479127\t好那部長我要請問就是那現在在野黨也有提說要加薪其實事實上我們在去年12月的時候也批報了院會了那現在部長的規劃會是什麼而在現在巧婦難為無米之炊啊整體的國家預算就是捉襟見肘的情況底下那該怎麼辦\n481772\t503046\t因為現在整體的國防預算總統有政策性的指示說要提升到GDP的3%所以如果年度的預算我想這個部分我們當然要跟行政院來協調那特別預算的部分也要找到裁員所以我想就這個部分我們應該會是整體的敵情威脅作戰需求來\n507449\t524791\t依照我們相關的規範來進行編列我們當然希望說提高到GDP3%這個部分在財務法修正的情況之下我們還有這樣子的一個預渡我們會跟行政院來協調\n525572\t542532\t那當然也希望立法院能夠支持這個國防的這個支出能夠按照現在總統所指示的能夠讓國防預算能夠盡量能夠達到3%GDP的3%我想這個其實都只能用\n543773\t559864\t希望但是不見得能夠有這個實質的作用啊這部分我還是希望就是呃國防部這裡必須要把可能受到的影響具體的讓國人知道那我覺得這個很重要對是是好謝謝謝偉謝謝林處長\n","txt":"謝謝主席 主席有請顧部長\n是 林委員好部長早安好我想先問一個實事題也許剛剛媒體已經有詢問過了但是我想要更精準的了解一下就是有關於網路這邊有一個訊息出來是說我們買到了這個應該是說網路說我們在137旅當中有這個士兵的手機直接在中國被買到\n那麼目前這個事情的原委跟狀態到底是一個什麼樣的狀況因為我相信身為職業軍人手機是非常重要的如果根據媒體的報導以及昨天晚上呃國防部傍晚第八軍團所發的新聞稿是說這個無姓士兵是不慎把手機弄掉之後馬上就去警察備案跟手機都註銷了那麼目前了解的過程當中這位\n弟兄已經退役是嗎那麼到底這個手機是否涉及軍事機密然後再來如果說有這樣的事件發生之後接下來國防部注意到那麼到底有沒有什麼樣的SOP來做處理\n跟委員報告,第一個就如您所講的,這個是他在退伍前的一個持有的手機遺失的狀況那這個上面有一個MDM的這樣的一個系統,這個MDM的系統就是說讓你在營區之內不能夠私自拍攝、錄影,然後藍牙定位的工人都不能夠使用\n那這個的手機我們看出來就是說它現在所刊登的這兩張照片看起來都是屬於單位核定一個可以公開的一個照片而且這個不是它自己拍攝的照片所以可見MDM確實有發揮它的功能也就是說它\n有這個MDM的這個功能他到營區之內他就不能夠去拍攝嘛所以這兩張照片不是他拍攝這兩張照片是應該是單位的主管核可它是一個可以已經可以公開給新聞的一個照片讓他們為了留作紀念不是不涉軍事紀念對對對它是一個完全不涉密的一個公開新聞的一個畫面也不是他\n用他這個手機在營區內拍攝所以這個可以反證就是說MDM的存在是可以防止這樣他四次拍攝的一個那所以這個要特別跟委員說明一下也跟各界說明一下\n言下之意就是說當然首先第一個部分是這一支手機在中國被發現當然大家會覺得要必須提高警覺有沒有所謂軍中涉密或者是洩密這樣的一個狀況那麼\n所以說剛剛第二個部分就是提到那麼我們現在有MDM這樣的一個設備或設施有效的杜絕了就是說個人的手機在軍中做不必要的拍攝連線上網或者是這種洩密的部分這是但是在對於這一位退伍的相關的弟兄現在目前聯絡上了嗎因為他已經退伍了\n因為他在之前退伍前不勝遺失的時候都已經向報案了那單位也言下之意是137旅當時是知道他手機遺失然後有做報案嗎?對\n所以說基本上就對於說這樣的一個整個了解的過程目前就是一個比較單純性個案性的手機儀式沒有其他的可能的洩密或者是相關的部分需要再注意的是我想現在當然就是說\n我們現在要著重當然就是說進入營區的MDM要開啟這一個部分我們執行上要落實啦這個那至少就這個個案上來講現在還看不到他有實時拍攝機敏的照片流出的一個狀況這樣子\n好 謝謝部長的回覆因為我想這個對於我們擔憂軍中洩密的部分包括前幾天報紙也開始在講就是我們還是要再修入海空軍事的軍事懲戒相關的法則因為對岸的滲透是步步逼近而手機的部分確實是一個掌握訊息最快速的方式而剛剛部長也特別提到了就是這個MDM這樣的設備其實對於軍中的守密或者是避免洩密\n是非常重要的但是所有的器材設備最重要的要更新之外背後是要有預算的協助但是昨天跟前天在立法院當中我們知道我們的總預算還有就是我們的裁劃法附議目前都完全是失敗被藍白聯手擋下來了那麼接下來其實我們要考量到的就是第一線的國軍弟兄在他們的設備包括今天我們討論到的有關於有音高叫機等等的事故那其實講到的就是要讓\n在軍中的弟兄服役的時候能夠安心安全除了設備之外還是設備而且除了我們的武器能夠精良之外這些全部都需要預算的支持昨天主計長有特別講到總預算跟才化法如果現在通通\n負益失敗的話那麼就等於說在今年2025年的3.1兆的預算當中扣除了薪資之後能夠運用的是1.3兆但是還有縣市的補助還有相關的這個預算的支出就剩下1.1兆因為我們被刪減了2076億那麼如果\n再算才化法目前不知道才化法算或不算因為失實之後這個到底是從2026年開始還是從今年開始我們也不知道但是部長我現在想問的就是我們也知道前幾天有國民黨的委員已經提到說好我們要幫國軍來加薪那麼我也知道其實早在\n這個會期開始之前在去年部長跟行政院這邊也報請了加薪的部分如果現在整體的國家預算只剩下7000萬的時候我覺得就事論事那麼目前不論是加薪或者是軍備的建構或者是我們今天講到的設備維修甚至於後勤的費用這些都非常的重要而如果針對主計長所說的就是有百分之各個部會\n都會刪減至少百分之二十八現在這四個我列出來的我相信對部長來說手心手背都是肉每一樣都重要部長我們現在該怎麼辦包括在野黨來勢洶洶的要提國軍加薪我也認為必須要給現任的尤其是現職的這些服役的軍人有更好的服役跟待遇他們才願意面對這些危險的工作然後二十四小時的守護國家那麼現在我們該怎麼辦\n這個有關財劃法的部分影響的程度是不是先請主席來 主席局早 委員大家好我是主席局局長有關財劃法這部分因為之前有講有可能會影響到國防預算的編列這一部分那我想後續我們國防部\n還是會按照國家整體的財政的狀況跟我們的返回住宅需求我們會跟行政院在編預算的階段的時候會適度的來協調溝通會提出我們一個比較妥適的一個需求\n好那部長我要請問就是那現在在野黨也有提說要加薪其實事實上我們在去年12月的時候也批報了院會了那現在部長的規劃會是什麼而在現在巧婦難為無米之炊啊整體的國家預算就是捉襟見肘的情況底下那該怎麼辦\n因為現在整體的國防預算總統有政策性的指示說要提升到GDP的3%所以如果年度的預算我想這個部分我們當然要跟行政院來協調那特別預算的部分也要找到裁員所以我想就這個部分我們應該會是整體的敵情威脅作戰需求來\n依照我們相關的規範來進行編列我們當然希望說提高到GDP3%這個部分在財務法修正的情況之下我們還有這樣子的一個預渡我們會跟行政院來協調\n那當然也希望立法院能夠支持這個國防的這個支出能夠按照現在總統所指示的能夠讓國防預算能夠盡量能夠達到3%GDP的3%我想這個其實都只能用\n希望但是不見得能夠有這個實質的作用啊這部分我還是希望就是呃國防部這裡必須要把可能受到的影響具體的讓國人知道那我覺得這個很重要對是是好謝謝謝偉謝謝林處長\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.870 --> 00:01.820\n謝謝主席主席有請顧部長\n\n00:10.846 --> 00:32.728\n是林委員好部長早安好我想先問一個實事題也許剛剛媒體已經有詢問過了但是我想要更精準的了解一下就是有關於網路這邊有一個訊息出來是說我們買到了這個應該是說網路說我們在137旅當中有這個士兵的手機直接在中國被買到\n\n00:33.649 --> 00:55.545\n那麼目前這個事情的原委跟狀態到底是一個什麼樣的狀況因為我相信身為職業軍人手機是非常重要的如果根據媒體的報導以及昨天晚上呃國防部傍晚第八軍團所發的新聞稿是說這個無姓士兵是不慎把手機弄掉之後馬上就去警察備案跟手機都註銷了那麼目前了解的過程當中這位\n\n01:01.029 --> 01:15.524\n弟兄已經退役是嗎那麼到底這個手機是否涉及軍事機密然後再來如果說有這樣的事件發生之後接下來國防部注意到那麼到底有沒有什麼樣的SOP來做處理\n\n01:18.127 --> 01:39.765\n跟委員報告,第一個就如您所講的,這個是他在退伍前的一個持有的手機遺失的狀況那這個上面有一個MDM的這樣的一個系統,這個MDM的系統就是說讓你在營區之內不能夠私自拍攝、錄影,然後藍牙定位的工人都不能夠使用\n\n01:40.385 --> 02:01.840\n那這個的手機我們看出來就是說它現在所刊登的這兩張照片看起來都是屬於單位核定一個可以公開的一個照片而且這個不是它自己拍攝的照片所以可見MDM確實有發揮它的功能也就是說它\n\n02:02.700 --> 02:29.072\n有這個MDM的這個功能他到營區之內他就不能夠去拍攝嘛所以這兩張照片不是他拍攝這兩張照片是應該是單位的主管核可它是一個可以已經可以公開給新聞的一個照片讓他們為了留作紀念不是不涉軍事紀念對對對它是一個完全不涉密的一個公開新聞的一個畫面也不是他\n\n02:30.239 --> 02:46.133\n用他這個手機在營區內拍攝所以這個可以反證就是說MDM的存在是可以防止這樣他四次拍攝的一個那所以這個要特別跟委員說明一下也跟各界說明一下\n\n02:46.653 --> 02:52.075\n言下之意就是說當然首先第一個部分是這一支手機在中國被發現當然大家會覺得要必須提高警覺有沒有所謂軍中涉密或者是洩密這樣的一個狀況那麼\n\n03:01.998 --> 03:23.007\n所以說剛剛第二個部分就是提到那麼我們現在有MDM這樣的一個設備或設施有效的杜絕了就是說個人的手機在軍中做不必要的拍攝連線上網或者是這種洩密的部分這是但是在對於這一位退伍的相關的弟兄現在目前聯絡上了嗎因為他已經退伍了\n\n03:24.597 --> 03:38.235\n因為他在之前退伍前不勝遺失的時候都已經向報案了那單位也言下之意是137旅當時是知道他手機遺失然後有做報案嗎?對\n\n03:40.345 --> 03:56.675\n所以說基本上就對於說這樣的一個整個了解的過程目前就是一個比較單純性個案性的手機儀式沒有其他的可能的洩密或者是相關的部分需要再注意的是我想現在當然就是說\n\n03:57.635 --> 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