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00:02:45,305\n就是以半導體產業為核心的高科技產業在全球供應鏈重組還有地緣政治的這樣子的一個變動台灣企業面臨前所未有的外部壓力還有內部的一個挑戰所以說台積電宣布投資一千億美金那只是台灣高科技產業赴美投資的第一槍尤其在川普的執政下恐怕不只這個台積電還有更多的龍頭企業在台灣的龍頭企業不管是半導體電子AI\n\n9\n00:02:46,765 --> 00:03:12,757\n這些都受到了這些壓力或者是誘因整個產業鏈將資金跟技術輸出到美國所以未來不管是錢人才全部都往美國走那不僅是台積電其他的科技龍頭這樣子的情況台灣是否會面臨產業跟資金的雙重外移的風險所以說對於剛剛你也提到經常這樣外匯政策\n\n10\n00:03:13,697 --> 00:03:39,923\n他一定會有一個很巨大的變動所以我尤其川普上台之後他一定會推動更多的保護主義美國優先所以關稅大戰供應鏈重組吸引外資這些東西對於我們全球經濟帶來極大的變化所以未來的貨幣政策走向還有美國對台科技的政策資本外流跟外匯存底\n\n11\n00:03:41,184 --> 00:03:53,196\n國際貿易格局的一個變化那央行作為維持金融穩定跟貨幣政策決策的一個關鍵機構我想要提醒楊總裁就是說除了密切關注還有提前因應我們還能做什麼\n\n12\n00:03:54,496 --> 00:04:21,226\n我想基本上剛剛所講的那些是風險你所說的風險而且我總覺得那是一個算是比較比較就是說是稍微比較極端一點的一個情況基本上我一直覺得就是說台灣的一個產業它不會就是說一窩蜂整個就在很短的時間就掏空出去了\n\n13\n00:04:22,025 --> 00:04:35,891\n不會不是對你剛剛提到這個那像我們台積電要去投資一千億美金也沒有事先跟政府報告然後也沒有做一個完整的一個很好的準備啊我們大家也是\n\n14\n00:04:37,236 --> 00:04:59,470\n也是在很短的時間才知道說要做這樣子具有的投資所以未來難保其他的龍頭企業迫於這種形勢誘因等等不得不去啊這個就是我們擔心的嘛那我再請教總裁就是說升降息的部分啦因為美國經濟惡化通膨的沒有降溫的趨勢那美國也在這個時間向所有的貿易夥伴\n\n15\n00:05:02,453 --> 00:05:14,789\n發動這種關稅大戰包括加拿大墨西哥那這些25%的這種關稅另外對中國也加徵10%的關稅加徵就是在原來基礎上又在加徵那這些舉動讓他們\n\n16\n00:05:17,472 --> 00:05:41,208\n讓專家也自己在擔心說可能推動美國國內物價的一個推升那也會引發停滯性通膨的這樣的狀況那面臨這個成長經濟成長趨勢跟通膨持續的一個升溫的雙重挑戰在這種情況我們央行總裁有沒有評估過\n\n17\n00:05:42,714 --> 00:05:57,542\n可能對我國的經濟貨幣政策造成哪些影響對我們也有評估過啦基本上呢我總覺得以目前的一個情況因為現在說實在第一個就是說他的情況還不是非常明朗第二個\n\n18\n00:05:58,322 --> 00:06:14,558\n他對墨西哥對加拿大他的一個扣關稅那基本上我們跟墨西哥跟加拿大我們對他的出口基本上是佔我們的GDP佔我們的出口還有佔我們的GDP不大\n\n19\n00:06:15,659 --> 00:06:43,752\n那但是呢對中國的一個他都要扣20%的那個這個對我們的影響會比較大一點為什麼因為我們對中國大陸的一個出口呢是現在是目前是31多啦31點幾但是呢他是從40幾42一直調降到31那中國大陸呢到美國去的一個出口呢也慢慢的在調整所以呢基本上呢\n\n20\n00:06:44,912 --> 00:07:01,721\n他對中國大陸的關稅對我們的影響也是慢慢地在下降當中那我記得我們第一次川普1.0的時候對中國大陸的一個扣關稅事實上得利的是台灣\n\n21\n00:07:02,882 --> 00:07:27,267\n我們台灣反而沒有受到影響那為什麼因為那個時候是台商回台投資第二個呢我們對美國的出口反而更加增加好總裁我們的貨幣政策沒有跟美國對那貨幣政策方面呢我再想就是說第一個就是說以通膨來看的話對美國的通膨的影響會比較大對我們台灣的通膨比較少\n\n22\n00:07:32,489 --> 00:07:45,226\n我之前在質詢你的時候你有提到說CPI年增率要在1.5%以下才會降息是你之前有提過我們看到\n\n23\n00:07:47,942 --> 00:07:59,786\n資料就是說主計處的公布的資料1月份的CPI零增率2.66對擴除這個蔬果跟能源之後核心CPI上漲2.26對所以等於是說\n\n24\n00:08:04,090 --> 00:08:22,157\n不會有降息的情況對不對是總裁是這樣子嘛對不對對應該是啦那去年FED降息的時候我們反而升了半碼所以說央行這邊的態度就是說一定要在CPI年增率在1.5以下才會降息是不是這樣子\n\n25\n00:08:23,738 --> 00:08:50,811\n大體上應該也是可以說這一點是不變的應該也是這樣子我想我能夠理解說央行在制定貨幣政策還有考量這些必須要多重的考量那我是期望說央行能夠審慎的評估靈活的應對因為對於台灣未來經濟發展還有這個整個國家的一個對於美國中國這樣子的一個貿易大戰或者是這種\n\n26\n00:08:52,372 --> 00:09:06,679\n一些政策對於台灣的影響會造成我們的這些企業還有我們這些產業是一個很巨大的變動是好不好會會黃安會謝謝總裁會好謝謝謝謝委員好謝謝謝謝我們嚴委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n89\t1335\t有請我們陽總裁陽總裁請\n14022\t27907\t首先本席想請教總裁就是近日全球最關心的議題就是在上週台積電宣布加碼投資美國一千億美金台幣3.3兆以上讓全世界產業界競爭也成為\n30966\t47207\t這個政經啊然後也成為全美國政壇的焦點尤其在國會演說川普這個也大力讚揚台積電強調說沒有給錢台積電就來投資他意圖展現他自己比拜登更具有經濟實力更高明\n48688\t66557\t這顯示出台積電的決策不僅僅是經濟行為也牽涉到國際政治還有經濟競爭對台灣而言最大的擔憂是我們的護國神山出走所帶來的風險台大的副教授邱浩傑指出\n69338\t88173\t避險機制的高成本投資可能會掏空台灣的晶圓代工訂單更可能會快速消耗台灣的外匯存底那我要這邊要請教楊總裁台積電的巨額海外投資是否會導致大量美元資金的流出影響我國外匯存底會不會\n93735\t108199\t我們的局處也有針對這個問題我們也有討論過不過我們一直認為在短期之內應該是不至於短期之內我們會慢慢的來觀察它的一個情況因為第一個\n109335\t135135\t我們你想想看就是說台積電他的他到那邊去投資他所要的美元那事實上呢台積電他賺的美元是很多的他不必要就是說是在市場這邊買美元然後到那邊去投資不必要不是不是當然就是說我們台灣最具競爭力跟影響力的\n136096\t165305\t就是以半導體產業為核心的高科技產業在全球供應鏈重組還有地緣政治的這樣子的一個變動台灣企業面臨前所未有的外部壓力還有內部的一個挑戰所以說台積電宣布投資一千億美金那只是台灣高科技產業赴美投資的第一槍尤其在川普的執政下恐怕不只這個台積電還有更多的龍頭企業在台灣的龍頭企業不管是半導體電子AI\n166765\t192757\t這些都受到了這些壓力或者是誘因整個產業鏈將資金跟技術輸出到美國所以未來不管是錢人才全部都往美國走那不僅是台積電其他的科技龍頭這樣子的情況台灣是否會面臨產業跟資金的雙重外移的風險所以說對於剛剛你也提到經常這樣外匯政策\n193697\t219923\t他一定會有一個很巨大的變動所以我尤其川普上台之後他一定會推動更多的保護主義美國優先所以關稅大戰供應鏈重組吸引外資這些東西對於我們全球經濟帶來極大的變化所以未來的貨幣政策走向還有美國對台科技的政策資本外流跟外匯存底\n221184\t233196\t國際貿易格局的一個變化那央行作為維持金融穩定跟貨幣政策決策的一個關鍵機構我想要提醒楊總裁就是說除了密切關注還有提前因應我們還能做什麼\n234496\t261226\t我想基本上剛剛所講的那些是風險你所說的風險而且我總覺得那是一個算是比較比較就是說是稍微比較極端一點的一個情況基本上我一直覺得就是說台灣的一個產業它不會就是說一窩蜂整個就在很短的時間就掏空出去了\n262025\t275891\t不會不是對你剛剛提到這個那像我們台積電要去投資一千億美金也沒有事先跟政府報告然後也沒有做一個完整的一個很好的準備啊我們大家也是\n277236\t299470\t也是在很短的時間才知道說要做這樣子具有的投資所以未來難保其他的龍頭企業迫於這種形勢誘因等等不得不去啊這個就是我們擔心的嘛那我再請教總裁就是說升降息的部分啦因為美國經濟惡化通膨的沒有降溫的趨勢那美國也在這個時間向所有的貿易夥伴\n302453\t314789\t發動這種關稅大戰包括加拿大墨西哥那這些25%的這種關稅另外對中國也加徵10%的關稅加徵就是在原來基礎上又在加徵那這些舉動讓他們\n317472\t341208\t讓專家也自己在擔心說可能推動美國國內物價的一個推升那也會引發停滯性通膨的這樣的狀況那面臨這個成長經濟成長趨勢跟通膨持續的一個升溫的雙重挑戰在這種情況我們央行總裁有沒有評估過\n342714\t357542\t可能對我國的經濟貨幣政策造成哪些影響對我們也有評估過啦基本上呢我總覺得以目前的一個情況因為現在說實在第一個就是說他的情況還不是非常明朗第二個\n358322\t374558\t他對墨西哥對加拿大他的一個扣關稅那基本上我們跟墨西哥跟加拿大我們對他的出口基本上是佔我們的GDP佔我們的出口還有佔我們的GDP不大\n375659\t403752\t那但是呢對中國的一個他都要扣20%的那個這個對我們的影響會比較大一點為什麼因為我們對中國大陸的一個出口呢是現在是目前是31多啦31點幾但是呢他是從40幾42一直調降到31那中國大陸呢到美國去的一個出口呢也慢慢的在調整所以呢基本上呢\n404912\t421721\t他對中國大陸的關稅對我們的影響也是慢慢地在下降當中那我記得我們第一次川普1.0的時候對中國大陸的一個扣關稅事實上得利的是台灣\n422882\t447267\t我們台灣反而沒有受到影響那為什麼因為那個時候是台商回台投資第二個呢我們對美國的出口反而更加增加好 總裁我們的貨幣政策沒有跟美國對 那貨幣政策方面呢我再想就是說第一個就是說以通膨來看的話對美國的通膨的影響會比較大對我們台灣的通膨比較少\n452489\t465226\t我之前在質詢你的時候你有提到說CPI年增率要在1.5%以下才會降息是你之前有提過我們看到\n467942\t479786\t資料就是說主計處的公布的資料1月份的CPI零增率2.66對擴除這個蔬果跟能源之後核心CPI上漲2.26對所以等於是說\n484090\t502157\t不會有降息的情況對不對是總裁是這樣子嘛對不對對應該是啦那去年FED降息的時候我們反而升了半碼所以說央行這邊的態度就是說一定要在CPI年增率在1.5以下才會降息是不是這樣子\n503738\t530811\t大體上應該也是可以說這一點是不變的應該也是這樣子我想我能夠理解說央行在制定貨幣政策還有考量這些必須要多重的考量那我是期望說央行能夠審慎的評估靈活的應對因為對於台灣未來經濟發展還有這個整個國家的一個對於美國中國這樣子的一個貿易大戰或者是這種\n532372\t546679\t一些政策對於台灣的影響會造成我們的這些企業還有我們這些產業是一個很巨大的變動是好不好會 會 黃安會謝謝總裁會好 謝謝 謝謝委員好 謝謝 謝謝我們嚴委員\n","txt":"有請我們陽總裁陽總裁請\n首先本席想請教總裁就是近日全球最關心的議題就是在上週台積電宣布加碼投資美國一千億美金台幣3.3兆以上讓全世界產業界競爭也成為\n這個政經啊然後也成為全美國政壇的焦點尤其在國會演說川普這個也大力讚揚台積電強調說沒有給錢台積電就來投資他意圖展現他自己比拜登更具有經濟實力更高明\n這顯示出台積電的決策不僅僅是經濟行為也牽涉到國際政治還有經濟競爭對台灣而言最大的擔憂是我們的護國神山出走所帶來的風險台大的副教授邱浩傑指出\n避險機制的高成本投資可能會掏空台灣的晶圓代工訂單更可能會快速消耗台灣的外匯存底那我要這邊要請教楊總裁台積電的巨額海外投資是否會導致大量美元資金的流出影響我國外匯存底會不會\n我們的局處也有針對這個問題我們也有討論過不過我們一直認為在短期之內應該是不至於短期之內我們會慢慢的來觀察它的一個情況因為第一個\n我們你想想看就是說台積電他的他到那邊去投資他所要的美元那事實上呢台積電他賺的美元是很多的他不必要就是說是在市場這邊買美元然後到那邊去投資不必要不是不是當然就是說我們台灣最具競爭力跟影響力的\n就是以半導體產業為核心的高科技產業在全球供應鏈重組還有地緣政治的這樣子的一個變動台灣企業面臨前所未有的外部壓力還有內部的一個挑戰所以說台積電宣布投資一千億美金那只是台灣高科技產業赴美投資的第一槍尤其在川普的執政下恐怕不只這個台積電還有更多的龍頭企業在台灣的龍頭企業不管是半導體電子AI\n這些都受到了這些壓力或者是誘因整個產業鏈將資金跟技術輸出到美國所以未來不管是錢人才全部都往美國走那不僅是台積電其他的科技龍頭這樣子的情況台灣是否會面臨產業跟資金的雙重外移的風險所以說對於剛剛你也提到經常這樣外匯政策\n他一定會有一個很巨大的變動所以我尤其川普上台之後他一定會推動更多的保護主義美國優先所以關稅大戰供應鏈重組吸引外資這些東西對於我們全球經濟帶來極大的變化所以未來的貨幣政策走向還有美國對台科技的政策資本外流跟外匯存底\n國際貿易格局的一個變化那央行作為維持金融穩定跟貨幣政策決策的一個關鍵機構我想要提醒楊總裁就是說除了密切關注還有提前因應我們還能做什麼\n我想基本上剛剛所講的那些是風險你所說的風險而且我總覺得那是一個算是比較比較就是說是稍微比較極端一點的一個情況基本上我一直覺得就是說台灣的一個產業它不會就是說一窩蜂整個就在很短的時間就掏空出去了\n不會不是對你剛剛提到這個那像我們台積電要去投資一千億美金也沒有事先跟政府報告然後也沒有做一個完整的一個很好的準備啊我們大家也是\n也是在很短的時間才知道說要做這樣子具有的投資所以未來難保其他的龍頭企業迫於這種形勢誘因等等不得不去啊這個就是我們擔心的嘛那我再請教總裁就是說升降息的部分啦因為美國經濟惡化通膨的沒有降溫的趨勢那美國也在這個時間向所有的貿易夥伴\n發動這種關稅大戰包括加拿大墨西哥那這些25%的這種關稅另外對中國也加徵10%的關稅加徵就是在原來基礎上又在加徵那這些舉動讓他們\n讓專家也自己在擔心說可能推動美國國內物價的一個推升那也會引發停滯性通膨的這樣的狀況那面臨這個成長經濟成長趨勢跟通膨持續的一個升溫的雙重挑戰在這種情況我們央行總裁有沒有評估過\n可能對我國的經濟貨幣政策造成哪些影響對我們也有評估過啦基本上呢我總覺得以目前的一個情況因為現在說實在第一個就是說他的情況還不是非常明朗第二個\n他對墨西哥對加拿大他的一個扣關稅那基本上我們跟墨西哥跟加拿大我們對他的出口基本上是佔我們的GDP佔我們的出口還有佔我們的GDP不大\n那但是呢對中國的一個他都要扣20%的那個這個對我們的影響會比較大一點為什麼因為我們對中國大陸的一個出口呢是現在是目前是31多啦31點幾但是呢他是從40幾42一直調降到31那中國大陸呢到美國去的一個出口呢也慢慢的在調整所以呢基本上呢\n他對中國大陸的關稅對我們的影響也是慢慢地在下降當中那我記得我們第一次川普1.0的時候對中國大陸的一個扣關稅事實上得利的是台灣\n我們台灣反而沒有受到影響那為什麼因為那個時候是台商回台投資第二個呢我們對美國的出口反而更加增加好 總裁我們的貨幣政策沒有跟美國對 那貨幣政策方面呢我再想就是說第一個就是說以通膨來看的話對美國的通膨的影響會比較大對我們台灣的通膨比較少\n我之前在質詢你的時候你有提到說CPI年增率要在1.5%以下才會降息是你之前有提過我們看到\n資料就是說主計處的公布的資料1月份的CPI零增率2.66對擴除這個蔬果跟能源之後核心CPI上漲2.26對所以等於是說\n不會有降息的情況對不對是總裁是這樣子嘛對不對對應該是啦那去年FED降息的時候我們反而升了半碼所以說央行這邊的態度就是說一定要在CPI年增率在1.5以下才會降息是不是這樣子\n大體上應該也是可以說這一點是不變的應該也是這樣子我想我能夠理解說央行在制定貨幣政策還有考量這些必須要多重的考量那我是期望說央行能夠審慎的評估靈活的應對因為對於台灣未來經濟發展還有這個整個國家的一個對於美國中國這樣子的一個貿易大戰或者是這種\n一些政策對於台灣的影響會造成我們的這些企業還有我們這些產業是一個很巨大的變動是好不好會 會 黃安會謝謝總裁會好 謝謝 謝謝委員好 謝謝 謝謝我們嚴委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.089 --> 00:01.335\n有請我們陽總裁陽總裁請\n\n00:14.022 --> 00:27.907\n首先本席想請教總裁就是近日全球最關心的議題就是在上週台積電宣布加碼投資美國一千億美金台幣3.3兆以上讓全世界產業界競爭也成為\n\n00:30.966 --> 00:47.207\n這個政經啊然後也成為全美國政壇的焦點尤其在國會演說川普這個也大力讚揚台積電強調說沒有給錢台積電就來投資他意圖展現他自己比拜登更具有經濟實力更高明\n\n00:48.688 --> 01:06.557\n這顯示出台積電的決策不僅僅是經濟行為也牽涉到國際政治還有經濟競爭對台灣而言最大的擔憂是我們的護國神山出走所帶來的風險台大的副教授邱浩傑指出\n\n01:09.338 --> 01:28.173\n避險機制的高成本投資可能會掏空台灣的晶圓代工訂單更可能會快速消耗台灣的外匯存底那我要這邊要請教楊總裁台積電的巨額海外投資是否會導致大量美元資金的流出影響我國外匯存底會不會\n\n01:33.735 --> 01:48.199\n我們的局處也有針對這個問題我們也有討論過不過我們一直認為在短期之內應該是不至於短期之內我們會慢慢的來觀察它的一個情況因為第一個\n\n01:49.335 --> 02:15.135\n我們你想想看就是說台積電他的他到那邊去投資他所要的美元那事實上呢台積電他賺的美元是很多的他不必要就是說是在市場這邊買美元然後到那邊去投資不必要不是不是當然就是說我們台灣最具競爭力跟影響力的\n\n02:16.096 --> 02:45.305\n就是以半導體產業為核心的高科技產業在全球供應鏈重組還有地緣政治的這樣子的一個變動台灣企業面臨前所未有的外部壓力還有內部的一個挑戰所以說台積電宣布投資一千億美金那只是台灣高科技產業赴美投資的第一槍尤其在川普的執政下恐怕不只這個台積電還有更多的龍頭企業在台灣的龍頭企業不管是半導體電子AI\n\n02:46.765 --> 03:12.757\n這些都受到了這些壓力或者是誘因整個產業鏈將資金跟技術輸出到美國所以未來不管是錢人才全部都往美國走那不僅是台積電其他的科技龍頭這樣子的情況台灣是否會面臨產業跟資金的雙重外移的風險所以說對於剛剛你也提到經常這樣外匯政策\n\n03:13.697 --> 03:39.923\n他一定會有一個很巨大的變動所以我尤其川普上台之後他一定會推動更多的保護主義美國優先所以關稅大戰供應鏈重組吸引外資這些東西對於我們全球經濟帶來極大的變化所以未來的貨幣政策走向還有美國對台科技的政策資本外流跟外匯存底\n\n03:41.184 --> 03:53.196\n國際貿易格局的一個變化那央行作為維持金融穩定跟貨幣政策決策的一個關鍵機構我想要提醒楊總裁就是說除了密切關注還有提前因應我們還能做什麼\n\n03:54.496 --> 04:21.226\n我想基本上剛剛所講的那些是風險你所說的風險而且我總覺得那是一個算是比較比較就是說是稍微比較極端一點的一個情況基本上我一直覺得就是說台灣的一個產業它不會就是說一窩蜂整個就在很短的時間就掏空出去了\n\n04:22.025 --> 04:35.891\n不會不是對你剛剛提到這個那像我們台積電要去投資一千億美金也沒有事先跟政府報告然後也沒有做一個完整的一個很好的準備啊我們大家也是\n\n04:37.236 --> 04:59.470\n也是在很短的時間才知道說要做這樣子具有的投資所以未來難保其他的龍頭企業迫於這種形勢誘因等等不得不去啊這個就是我們擔心的嘛那我再請教總裁就是說升降息的部分啦因為美國經濟惡化通膨的沒有降溫的趨勢那美國也在這個時間向所有的貿易夥伴\n\n05:02.453 --> 05:14.789\n發動這種關稅大戰包括加拿大墨西哥那這些25%的這種關稅另外對中國也加徵10%的關稅加徵就是在原來基礎上又在加徵那這些舉動讓他們\n\n05:17.472 --> 05:41.208\n讓專家也自己在擔心說可能推動美國國內物價的一個推升那也會引發停滯性通膨的這樣的狀況那面臨這個成長經濟成長趨勢跟通膨持續的一個升溫的雙重挑戰在這種情況我們央行總裁有沒有評估過\n\n05:42.714 --> 05:57.542\n可能對我國的經濟貨幣政策造成哪些影響對我們也有評估過啦基本上呢我總覺得以目前的一個情況因為現在說實在第一個就是說他的情況還不是非常明朗第二個\n\n05:58.322 --> 06:14.558\n他對墨西哥對加拿大他的一個扣關稅那基本上我們跟墨西哥跟加拿大我們對他的出口基本上是佔我們的GDP佔我們的出口還有佔我們的GDP不大\n\n06:15.659 --> 06:43.752\n那但是呢對中國的一個他都要扣20%的那個這個對我們的影響會比較大一點為什麼因為我們對中國大陸的一個出口呢是現在是目前是31多啦31點幾但是呢他是從40幾42一直調降到31那中國大陸呢到美國去的一個出口呢也慢慢的在調整所以呢基本上呢\n\n06:44.912 --> 07:01.721\n他對中國大陸的關稅對我們的影響也是慢慢地在下降當中那我記得我們第一次川普1.0的時候對中國大陸的一個扣關稅事實上得利的是台灣\n\n07:02.882 --> 07:27.267\n我們台灣反而沒有受到影響那為什麼因為那個時候是台商回台投資第二個呢我們對美國的出口反而更加增加好總裁我們的貨幣政策沒有跟美國對那貨幣政策方面呢我再想就是說第一個就是說以通膨來看的話對美國的通膨的影響會比較大對我們台灣的通膨比較少\n\n07:32.489 --> 07:45.226\n我之前在質詢你的時候你有提到說CPI年增率要在1.5%以下才會降息是你之前有提過我們看到\n\n07:47.942 --> 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