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00:02:30,222\n它雖然是管車子可是交通部的評比標準跟環境部又不一樣交通部給你的一個標準是市售比所以它現在提供的交通部的資訊是市售比現在的電動車的車數佔比是佔這樣子電動公車達到了49小客車4.4機車是11.9這資料你也清楚吧對不對\n\n8\n00:02:38,648 --> 00:03:03,654\n我想請問一下市長現在我們交以交通部提供的這個電動車市售比的程度請問多少年可以達到環境部的要求或者要反過來說我們在2025年的時候我們可以達到環境部的要求嗎如果按照這樣的速度我想這個有算過嗎這個可能涉及交通部電動車市請交通部來回應好謝謝\n\n9\n00:03:05,356 --> 00:03:18,125\n就一題就好了我只要一個答案就好了有算過嗎根本報告我們國發會在111年公布的你是國發會我是交通部交通部我們國發會我們國發會在111年公布的目標我們希望在2030年的時候市區的電動公共車11700輛能夠全面電動化你跟環境不一樣嗎一樣的\n\n10\n00:03:27,051 --> 00:03:30,678\n完全一樣啊可以達標嗎這是公車嘛2040年的話是電動的小客車跟機車新車的市售比達到100%的目標100%就可以達到這個目標嗎其實也不一定可以吧\n\n11\n00:03:40,367 --> 00:04:02,718\n市售百分之百跟可以達到普及率的目標其實這是兩個不同的標準好所以今天這就是第一個問題政府是一體的各部會訂出不同的標準可是事實上既然標準一致的話那我們就要想方法去達成所以坊間有非常多的人說我們想用電動車可是最麻煩的地方就是充電不方便這個我們都有聽過所以我們就回來看充電樁到底夠不夠那充電樁夠不夠的狀況下面是你看看\n\n12\n00:04:07,921 --> 00:04:26,812\n我們如果單純就現在的車輛和充電樁來比其實我們的數值是已經達到歐盟的標準但問題是這前提是我們的電動車少啊所以電動車就應該要增加才有可能達標嘛達到我們環境部定力的淨零碳排的標準所以再回過來那要加裝充電樁那市長加裝充電樁最大的問題是什麼\n\n13\n00:04:31,634 --> 00:04:44,260\n安全顧慮吧專案充電商最大的顧慮是安全所以我們是在確保民眾生命財產安全為首要條件的狀況之下我們同意怎麼樣子在公寓大廈裡面裝設充電所以您剛剛的今天的這份書面報告裡面其實這樣我看看這樣一共是十一頁的狀況下其實關於消防的部分你反而將近佔了一半可見得你內政部也了解\n\n14\n00:04:58,027 --> 00:05:22,799\n整個的問題我們看要討論電動車能夠讓它增加可是回推到後面其實最大的問題應該是要討論消防因為不要看我們最近在國外一旦是充電車發生狀況火警的狀況其實那個要撲滅光是用水的量可能就是一般油車的好幾十倍\n\n15\n00:05:23,976 --> 00:05:46,781\n同時它如果又在地下室救災更難更不要說我們昨天剛剛看到新聞這個光是你要帶上飛機的充電電池今年起都有新規了它甚至不但不能拖映甚至是要拿出來放在你視線可及的地方所以可見的大家對電池的狀況是很有疑慮的好那我們就請問\n\n16\n00:05:48,121 --> 00:06:08,694\n市長你今天提的這一些措施有期限嗎你有給你自己期限什麼時候要完成嗎我們相關的立法修正就是說你今天的這些機制我都同意但期限呢我們希望在那個三到六個月之內我們把相關的法規做一次檢討然後相關因為有一些是涉及技術演繹\n\n17\n00:06:09,854 --> 00:06:24,871\n我們建研所的技術研議可能要花一點時間來做討論並且包括說排煙設備的裝置排煙設備的裝置其實需要一些相關的實驗才能夠確認說我們怎麼樣子能夠達到最佳的安全因為我們要設在地下室\n\n18\n00:06:25,131 --> 00:06:41,810\n你今天講的其實從第二頁開始你是針對建築物的規劃增訂適合電動車燃燒特性的滅火設備然後這個安全規範推動電動車輛充電使用安全等等這些是規範類你是在這裡公開承諾三到六個月內可以完成規範含測試\n\n19\n00:06:43,792 --> 00:06:57,189\n你的意思是這樣嗎測試要花一點時間可是你測試沒有出來你要怎麼訂規範我們會在其所以其他的部分因為我們現在在進行測試的部分是有關排菸的部分好那我請我們監研所所長沒關係我們現在討論因為我的時間的關係所以\n\n20\n00:06:59,312 --> 00:07:25,677\n第一個部分的話我同意你因為這樣安全的部分要調整法規那我現在聽到的是次長您在備詢台上是講三到六個月你會提出這些相關的法規的研修方式研修草案出來然後後面的話其實是你的第五頁六七其實都是在講我們要提升救災的應變及整備量能嘛那所以這一些我們要怎麼樣能夠去考核也讓社會大眾能夠理解你已經\n\n21\n00:07:26,277 --> 00:07:38,500\n有救災的功能你什麼時候可以讓我們是有完整你現在今天提供的是一個方向這個方向我們都同意啊你應該是要告訴我們說我們已經完成了多少次實測的狀況我確實能夠有效的撲滅我這個消防署這邊也已經有增加了多少的這種化學救災的這個裝備所以在任何現實只要有\n\n22\n00:07:50,863 --> 00:08:05,613\n只有有電動車發生這樣的狀況我們都有能力去進行救災而且時間是多少可以跟住家的這個區分是要能夠徹底的隔離類似像這樣的一般民眾問的問題都是這樣嘛所以你有辦法回答嗎\n\n23\n00:08:08,715 --> 00:08:26,736\n稍微委員大家好消防署在設置標準政策自動消費設備已經完成了已經完成了約三到六個月消防署救災的部分停車場所設置自動消費已經完成公告事實上已經開始在做了這是第一個部分\n\n24\n00:08:27,336 --> 00:08:53,556\n那救災的設備目前縣市已經有到位那後續的計畫可能今年的計畫可能拜託委員會如果解凍以後後面的計畫設備的沖繩我們會持續兩個部分第一個你現在的達標是按照現有電動車輛的數字所以達標那如果我再增加呢那這樣是不是就不夠了這是其一的問題那第二當然就是涉及到這次這個會期也是很大的議題啦就是預算什麼時候可以解凍\n\n25\n00:08:54,136 --> 00:09:23,636\n什麼時候你可以添新的車輛這個當然要跟各位委員去討論去拜託啦當然不是我們這邊啦所以我想是這樣子啦後面還有很多的委員我今天是第一個嘛所以我希望今天呢看主席是不是也可以才是或者是所有的委員問完之後我相信這個標準答案可能應該是只有一套是不是可以直接讓各個委員都可以理解我覺得這值得委員會再做一次討論啦以上是我的建議\n\n26\n00:09:24,136 --> 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所以今天這就是第一個問題政府是一體的各部會訂出不同的標準可是事實上既然標準一致的話那我們就要想方法去達成所以坊間有非常多的人說我們想用電動車可是最麻煩的地方就是充電不方便這個我們都有聽過所以我們就回來看充電樁到底夠不夠那充電樁夠不夠的狀況下面是你看看\n247921\t266812\t我們如果單純就現在的車輛和充電樁來比其實我們的數值是已經達到歐盟的標準但問題是這前提是我們的電動車少啊所以電動車就應該要增加才有可能達標嘛達到我們環境部定力的淨零碳排的標準所以再回過來那要加裝充電樁那市長加裝充電樁最大的問題是什麼\n271634\t284260\t安全顧慮吧專案充電商最大的顧慮是安全所以我們是在確保民眾生命財產安全為首要條件的狀況之下我們同意怎麼樣子在公寓大廈裡面裝設充電所以您剛剛的今天的這份書面報告裡面其實這樣我看看這樣一共是十一頁的狀況下其實關於消防的部分你反而將近佔了一半可見得你內政部也了解\n298027\t322799\t整個的問題我們看要討論電動車能夠讓它增加可是回推到後面其實最大的問題應該是要討論消防因為不要看我們最近在國外一旦是充電車發生狀況火警的狀況其實那個要撲滅光是用水的量可能就是一般油車的好幾十倍\n323976\t346781\t同時它如果又在地下室救災更難更不要說我們昨天剛剛看到新聞這個光是你要帶上飛機的充電電池今年起都有新規了它甚至不但不能拖映甚至是要拿出來放在你視線可及的地方所以可見的大家對電池的狀況是很有疑慮的好 那我們就請問\n348121\t368694\t市長你今天提的這一些措施有期限嗎你有給你自己期限什麼時候要完成嗎我們相關的立法修正就是說你今天的這些機制我都同意但期限呢我們希望在那個三到六個月之內我們把相關的法規做一次檢討然後相關因為有一些是涉及技術演繹\n369854\t384871\t我們建研所的技術研議可能要花一點時間來做討論並且包括說排煙設備的裝置排煙設備的裝置其實需要一些相關的實驗才能夠確認說我們怎麼樣子能夠達到最佳的安全因為我們要設在地下室\n385131\t401810\t你今天講的其實從第二頁開始你是針對建築物的規劃增訂適合電動車燃燒特性的滅火設備然後這個安全規範推動電動車輛充電使用安全等等這些是規範類你是在這裡公開承諾三到六個月內可以完成規範含測試\n403792\t417189\t你的意思是這樣嗎測試要花一點時間可是你測試沒有出來你要怎麼訂規範我們會在其所以其他的部分因為我們現在在進行測試的部分是有關排菸的部分好那我請我們監研所所長沒關係我們現在討論因為我的時間的關係所以\n419312\t445677\t第一個部分的話我同意你因為這樣安全的部分要調整法規那我現在聽到的是次長您在備詢台上是講三到六個月你會提出這些相關的法規的研修方式研修草案出來然後後面的話其實是你的第五頁六七其實都是在講我們要提升救災的應變及整備量能嘛那所以這一些我們要怎麼樣能夠去考核也讓社會大眾能夠理解你已經\n446277\t458500\t有救災的功能你什麼時候可以讓我們是有完整你現在今天提供的是一個方向這個方向我們都同意啊你應該是要告訴我們說我們已經完成了多少次實測的狀況我確實能夠有效的撲滅我這個消防署這邊也已經有增加了多少的這種化學救災的這個裝備所以在任何現實只要有\n470863\t485613\t只有有電動車發生這樣的狀況我們都有能力去進行救災而且時間是多少可以跟住家的這個區分是要能夠徹底的隔離類似像這樣的一般民眾問的問題都是這樣嘛所以你有辦法回答嗎\n488715\t506736\t稍微委員大家好消防署在設置標準政策自動消費設備已經完成了已經完成了 約三到六個月消防署救災的部分停車場所設置自動消費已經完成公告事實上已經開始在做了這是第一個部分\n507336\t533556\t那救災的設備目前縣市已經有到位那後續的計畫可能今年的計畫可能拜託委員會如果解凍以後後面的計畫設備的沖繩我們會持續兩個部分第一個你現在的達標是按照現有電動車輛的數字所以達標那如果我再增加呢那這樣是不是就不夠了這是其一的問題那第二當然就是涉及到這次這個會期也是很大的議題啦就是預算什麼時候可以解凍\n534136\t563636\t什麼時候你可以添新的車輛這個當然要跟各位委員去討論去拜託啦當然不是我們這邊啦所以我想是這樣子啦後面還有很多的委員我今天是第一個嘛所以我希望今天呢看主席是不是也可以才是或者是所有的委員問完之後我相信這個標準答案可能應該是只有一套是不是可以直接讓各個委員都可以理解我覺得這值得委員會再做一次討論啦以上是我的建議\n564136\t584108\t我最終是認為在沒有完備應變能力安全法規之前不應該在公寓大廈的管理條例當中成為設置電動車硬性規定本席認為在完成安全法規的設計以及應變能力的整備之前不應該強制成為每一間公寓大廈都要設充電樁\n586269\t601970\t是 我們的相關的法規也是建立在安全的準則之上現在完成了安全的準則跟相關的規範以及我們救災能力的整備完成之後我們才會有明確的法令的一些修正好 謝謝次長好 謝謝蘇曉慧委員接下來請張志倫委員發言\n","txt":"好 謝謝主席 我們請董事長董事長有請\n市長好 委員好我也很高興看到今天這個會期第一次的質詢我們內政委員會終於回歸了民生議題我覺得這是一件好事而且今天我也很贊同主席訂的題目訂的題目其實就符合了我們身為國會議員本來就是應該看到社會上有困難的現象的時候就整個整體現象提出問題提出來討論社委委員會討論的主題\n而不是說因為我就是立法委員我就單一就同一個單項法規直接提出版本來進行修法完全沒有任何配套措施所以我覺得今天這樣子的委員會其實是相當好的我也本席也樂意就這樣的題目來進行深度的討論這是我要先表達的態度在這個會期的第一場質詢\n好那次長我們今天就這個電動車的發展尤其是關於充電設備充電樁的部分來進行討論那首先我想請問次長你知道我們現在國家的這個淨零政策嘛對不對所以環保署提出的這個我們的目標環保署環保署提出\n環保署提出的目標應該是我們現在是這個在2050年的時候2030年的時候市區公車及這個公路車全面電動化2040年的電動小客車是機車市售比要達到百分之百這您都清楚嘛對不對好所以那你同意現在環境部2050普及率的目標嗎\n好我想我們各部會就是努力去執行這樣子相關的政策所以你同意嗎你同意這個目標好那這是環境部的目標你同意喔你是內政部可是你對電動車的這個目標你也同意喔同意環境部好那這個交通部來你看交通部的這個部分交通部的這個部分它提供的數值是什麼它不是用普及率喔\n它雖然是管車子 可是交通部的評比標準跟環境部又不一樣交通部給你的一個標準是市售比所以它現在提供的交通部的資訊是市售比現在的電動車的車數佔比是佔這樣子電動公車達到了49 小客車4.4 機車是11.9這資料你也清楚吧 對不對\n我想請問一下市長現在我們交以交通部提供的這個電動車市售比的程度請問多少年可以達到環境部的要求或者要反過來說我們在2025年的時候我們可以達到環境部的要求嗎如果按照這樣的速度我想這個有算過嗎這個可能涉及交通部電動車市請交通部來回應好謝謝\n就一題就好了 我只要一個答案就好了有算過嗎根本報告我們國發會在111年公布的你是國發會我是交通部交通部 我們國發會我們國發會在111年公布的目標我們希望在2030年的時候市區的電動公共車11700輛能夠全面電動化你跟環境不一樣嗎一樣的\n完全一樣啊可以達標嗎這是公車嘛2040年的話是電動的小客車跟機車新車的市售比達到100%的目標100%就可以達到這個目標嗎其實也不一定可以吧\n市售百分之百跟可以達到普及率的目標其實這是兩個不同的標準好 所以今天這就是第一個問題政府是一體的各部會訂出不同的標準可是事實上既然標準一致的話那我們就要想方法去達成所以坊間有非常多的人說我們想用電動車可是最麻煩的地方就是充電不方便這個我們都有聽過所以我們就回來看充電樁到底夠不夠那充電樁夠不夠的狀況下面是你看看\n我們如果單純就現在的車輛和充電樁來比其實我們的數值是已經達到歐盟的標準但問題是這前提是我們的電動車少啊所以電動車就應該要增加才有可能達標嘛達到我們環境部定力的淨零碳排的標準所以再回過來那要加裝充電樁那市長加裝充電樁最大的問題是什麼\n安全顧慮吧專案充電商最大的顧慮是安全所以我們是在確保民眾生命財產安全為首要條件的狀況之下我們同意怎麼樣子在公寓大廈裡面裝設充電所以您剛剛的今天的這份書面報告裡面其實這樣我看看這樣一共是十一頁的狀況下其實關於消防的部分你反而將近佔了一半可見得你內政部也了解\n整個的問題我們看要討論電動車能夠讓它增加可是回推到後面其實最大的問題應該是要討論消防因為不要看我們最近在國外一旦是充電車發生狀況火警的狀況其實那個要撲滅光是用水的量可能就是一般油車的好幾十倍\n同時它如果又在地下室救災更難更不要說我們昨天剛剛看到新聞這個光是你要帶上飛機的充電電池今年起都有新規了它甚至不但不能拖映甚至是要拿出來放在你視線可及的地方所以可見的大家對電池的狀況是很有疑慮的好 那我們就請問\n市長你今天提的這一些措施有期限嗎你有給你自己期限什麼時候要完成嗎我們相關的立法修正就是說你今天的這些機制我都同意但期限呢我們希望在那個三到六個月之內我們把相關的法規做一次檢討然後相關因為有一些是涉及技術演繹\n我們建研所的技術研議可能要花一點時間來做討論並且包括說排煙設備的裝置排煙設備的裝置其實需要一些相關的實驗才能夠確認說我們怎麼樣子能夠達到最佳的安全因為我們要設在地下室\n你今天講的其實從第二頁開始你是針對建築物的規劃增訂適合電動車燃燒特性的滅火設備然後這個安全規範推動電動車輛充電使用安全等等這些是規範類你是在這裡公開承諾三到六個月內可以完成規範含測試\n你的意思是這樣嗎測試要花一點時間可是你測試沒有出來你要怎麼訂規範我們會在其所以其他的部分因為我們現在在進行測試的部分是有關排菸的部分好那我請我們監研所所長沒關係我們現在討論因為我的時間的關係所以\n第一個部分的話我同意你因為這樣安全的部分要調整法規那我現在聽到的是次長您在備詢台上是講三到六個月你會提出這些相關的法規的研修方式研修草案出來然後後面的話其實是你的第五頁六七其實都是在講我們要提升救災的應變及整備量能嘛那所以這一些我們要怎麼樣能夠去考核也讓社會大眾能夠理解你已經\n有救災的功能你什麼時候可以讓我們是有完整你現在今天提供的是一個方向這個方向我們都同意啊你應該是要告訴我們說我們已經完成了多少次實測的狀況我確實能夠有效的撲滅我這個消防署這邊也已經有增加了多少的這種化學救災的這個裝備所以在任何現實只要有\n只有有電動車發生這樣的狀況我們都有能力去進行救災而且時間是多少可以跟住家的這個區分是要能夠徹底的隔離類似像這樣的一般民眾問的問題都是這樣嘛所以你有辦法回答嗎\n稍微委員大家好消防署在設置標準政策自動消費設備已經完成了已經完成了 約三到六個月消防署救災的部分停車場所設置自動消費已經完成公告事實上已經開始在做了這是第一個部分\n那救災的設備目前縣市已經有到位那後續的計畫可能今年的計畫可能拜託委員會如果解凍以後後面的計畫設備的沖繩我們會持續兩個部分第一個你現在的達標是按照現有電動車輛的數字所以達標那如果我再增加呢那這樣是不是就不夠了這是其一的問題那第二當然就是涉及到這次這個會期也是很大的議題啦就是預算什麼時候可以解凍\n什麼時候你可以添新的車輛這個當然要跟各位委員去討論去拜託啦當然不是我們這邊啦所以我想是這樣子啦後面還有很多的委員我今天是第一個嘛所以我希望今天呢看主席是不是也可以才是或者是所有的委員問完之後我相信這個標準答案可能應該是只有一套是不是可以直接讓各個委員都可以理解我覺得這值得委員會再做一次討論啦以上是我的建議\n我最終是認為在沒有完備應變能力安全法規之前不應該在公寓大廈的管理條例當中成為設置電動車硬性規定本席認為在完成安全法規的設計以及應變能力的整備之前不應該強制成為每一間公寓大廈都要設充電樁\n是 我們的相關的法規也是建立在安全的準則之上現在完成了安全的準則跟相關的規範以及我們救災能力的整備完成之後我們才會有明確的法令的一些修正好 謝謝次長好 謝謝蘇曉慧委員接下來請張志倫委員發言\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.472 --> 00:08.526\n好謝謝主席我們請董事長董事長有請\n\n00:15.118 --> 00:39.117\n市長好委員好我也很高興看到今天這個會期第一次的質詢我們內政委員會終於回歸了民生議題我覺得這是一件好事而且今天我也很贊同主席訂的題目訂的題目其實就符合了我們身為國會議員本來就是應該看到社會上有困難的現象的時候就整個整體現象提出問題提出來討論社委委員會討論的主題\n\n00:45.041 --> 01:00.934\n而不是說因為我就是立法委員我就單一就同一個單項法規直接提出版本來進行修法完全沒有任何配套措施所以我覺得今天這樣子的委員會其實是相當好的我也本席也樂意就這樣的題目來進行深度的討論這是我要先表達的態度在這個會期的第一場質詢\n\n01:07.139 --> 01:22.367\n好那次長我們今天就這個電動車的發展尤其是關於充電設備充電樁的部分來進行討論那首先我想請問次長你知道我們現在國家的這個淨零政策嘛對不對所以環保署提出的這個我們的目標環保署環保署提出\n\n01:30.186 --> 01:51.376\n環保署提出的目標應該是我們現在是這個在2050年的時候2030年的時候市區公車及這個公路車全面電動化2040年的電動小客車是機車市售比要達到百分之百這您都清楚嘛對不對好所以那你同意現在環境部2050普及率的目標嗎\n\n01:52.472 --> 02:13.424\n好我想我們各部會就是努力去執行這樣子相關的政策所以你同意嗎你同意這個目標好那這是環境部的目標你同意喔你是內政部可是你對電動車的這個目標你也同意喔同意環境部好那這個交通部來你看交通部的這個部分交通部的這個部分它提供的數值是什麼它不是用普及率喔\n\n02:14.571 --> 02:30.222\n它雖然是管車子可是交通部的評比標準跟環境部又不一樣交通部給你的一個標準是市售比所以它現在提供的交通部的資訊是市售比現在的電動車的車數佔比是佔這樣子電動公車達到了49小客車4.4機車是11.9這資料你也清楚吧對不對\n\n02:38.648 --> 03:03.654\n我想請問一下市長現在我們交以交通部提供的這個電動車市售比的程度請問多少年可以達到環境部的要求或者要反過來說我們在2025年的時候我們可以達到環境部的要求嗎如果按照這樣的速度我想這個有算過嗎這個可能涉及交通部電動車市請交通部來回應好謝謝\n\n03:05.356 --> 03:18.125\n就一題就好了我只要一個答案就好了有算過嗎根本報告我們國發會在111年公布的你是國發會我是交通部交通部我們國發會我們國發會在111年公布的目標我們希望在2030年的時候市區的電動公共車11700輛能夠全面電動化你跟環境不一樣嗎一樣的\n\n03:27.051 --> 03:30.678\n完全一樣啊可以達標嗎這是公車嘛2040年的話是電動的小客車跟機車新車的市售比達到100%的目標100%就可以達到這個目標嗎其實也不一定可以吧\n\n03:40.367 --> 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