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00:01:26,025\n可以真的夠嗎是跟委員報告我們在設置標準裡面設置自動消息設備已經公告已經施行了所以目前的停車場裡面就公告以後到現在為止已經有338處的停車空間\n\n5\n00:01:29,308 --> 00:01:47,828\n設置自動灑水設備這已經到位那後續可能會再繼續增加那請問一下現在的這個自動灑水設備是可以用來那個有關於離電池的火災是可以用來防範大量的水來離電池火災一定是靠大量的水來達成滅火的目的\n\n6\n00:01:48,559 --> 00:02:03,353\n有需要說以後要請這些社區配置專用的離電池滅火器或滅火毯嗎這個我們再來檢討看後續的一個狀況看什麼樣的處理那也要跟署長報告我們可以看到我們今天那個POWPOW的一張圖這個右邊的這張圖是有關於這個韓國某一個社區因為這個電動車離電池起火而造成\n\n7\n00:02:11,420 --> 00:02:26,330\n很大的一個自然的造成一個危害一個火災所以現在台灣有很多的社區有些社區就會公告說這個地下室不准停電動車那以及我覺得今天還有一個重點可以來討論的就是說其實我相信這個現在\n\n8\n00:02:28,751 --> 00:02:47,860\n大樓管理條例也沒有規定這個管委會要三分之二以上同意才能設置充電樁那我記得印象中其實內政部是有想要修法有想要把這個門檻給調低那請問一下內政部有要提出這樣的相關的修法的規定嗎\n\n9\n00:02:50,064 --> 00:03:05,223\n我請我們國路署長好謝謝感謝委員因為我們其實當時的確有討論過要修法但是這修法的內容跟前提都是要把安全性跟這個車主的責任要定義清楚\n\n10\n00:03:05,703 --> 00:03:26,828\n才有辦法在這個正式提出這個法案也就是因為就涉及到消防跟這個相關的防火區劃的規定這如果沒有確認是達到安全標準的話後來行政院也覺得要優先把這做完才能提案是這個意思好那我請教那次長那現在誰可以可以跟我講說現在整個\n\n11\n00:03:29,429 --> 00:03:46,085\n有關於充電裝電動車充電裝的安全消防的規範何時才可以有一個比較明確的安全規範相關的安全規範我們剛才消防署消組長已經有說明了就是說有些規範我們已經公佈了那持續我們還會再做一些相關的檢討\n\n12\n00:03:47,106 --> 00:03:49,627\n介研所也在幫忙針對停車場排煙設備的研究案正在處理今年會把研究成果提出來\n\n13\n00:04:11,793 --> 00:04:24,949\n那另外就防火區化的問題今年會把這個成果提出來那同時我們在討論說是不是透過公有建築物這個部分來示範今年都會來進行這邊的作業的情形跟維護\n\n14\n00:04:26,209 --> 00:04:54,318\n所以今年大概會有機會整個安全措施上會有一個明確的一個一個討論嘛OK好那我請教一下那就現在而言很多民眾購買電動車的時候他會考慮說他要去裝設那如果這個官員會同意的話那其實事實上現在據很多民眾所說在設置的部分是不是需要很長的一段時間以及他所相關的這個配電的一些措施\n\n15\n00:04:55,078 --> 00:05:16,910\n是不是造成民眾有時候設一個充電樁要將近兩三個月以上的時間有沒有這樣的一個情形這個要依地方政府的權責去決定因為相關的法令我們是授權地方政府來做相關的設施的規範我們有一個基本的大概以市長你可不可以跟我簡單說明一下現在以一個民眾他買了一台電動車\n\n16\n00:05:18,311 --> 00:05:34,348\n他如果想要在自家樓下的地下室裝設充電樁大概他整個來講需要花多久的時間可以從他申請到買完大概要花多久的時間我是不是可以請台電來做說明因為這是表後的那個設置是由台電來負責好謝謝\n\n17\n00:05:42,088 --> 00:05:57,816\n是報告委員通常用戶只要提出管委會的同意申請到台電來申請那台電拿到這個申請單以後我們這個他的內線自己裝好以後我們很快大概通常大概一\n\n18\n00:05:59,217 --> 00:06:20,910\n兩個禮拜左右大概就可以完成那主要的問題不在台電這邊而在它第一個就是它管委會同不同意它第二個部分是它委託的這個水電承裝或是它原來的這個裝設的設備有沒有完全符合政府的規定如果有在台電那邊的程序是很快的以上跟委員報告謝謝\n\n19\n00:06:22,230 --> 00:06:51,290\n好謝謝那我再請教政事這邊我請教另外一個充電樁的問題先到這邊那我希望說未來不管是整個消防的安全或者是整個建築技術條例大家要盡快來修改那未來是否是不是真的要降低這個管理會的門檻就由這個內政部這邊來做全權的管理那我再請教一個最近大家也是討論的很多人在討論的有關於再生能源發展條例有關於建築物設置太陽能光電板的設置標準\n\n20\n00:06:51,970 --> 00:07:20,629\n像現在有一個草案在2月21號公告就是說如果建築物的面積達1000平方公尺的話它是要強制設置太陽能板的一個規定那我這邊要就較正式的部分有安全性、美觀性以及是否有光害會不會有極熱的問題讓我來請教一下這個正式如果真的這個草案現在是不是你們有收到一些不同的聲音比如說像台北市它是一個盆地的一個情況\n\n21\n00:07:21,610 --> 00:07:50,688\n那第一個如果在新建的大樓上都要設置這個太陽能板會不會有一個安全性因為大家知道現在頂樓下面都有一些綠美化的一個問題那如果你在台北市在設置太陽能板的話未來這些未來的維修的一些問題以及美觀性的一些問題還有之前我們有看到很多新聞這個在頂樓設置太陽能板造成鄰居隔壁鄰居在住宅區的光害的一些問題民眾會抗議的問題而且台灣是一個整個來講是一個盆地的一個地形\n\n22\n00:07:51,388 --> 00:08:05,983\n那如果在台北市的話已經很熱了然後你還這樣的話會不會造成溫室氣體等等的一些問題那請政事這邊是現在這個新的議題你有沒有統計的一些的問題還有你是不是說已經就是六十天公告以後即將在4月21號即將要上路\n\n23\n00:08:07,825 --> 00:08:25,758\n我們公告就是收集大家的意見我們來進行修正但是也要跟委員報告就是說基本上我們強制1000平方米以上要裝設太陽能光板是考量所有相關建物的整體空間跟剛剛委員所考慮的許多的問題我們才設置1000平方米以上也就是基本上是一個大型的空間\n\n24\n00:08:27,159 --> 00:08:54,318\n然後再來就是說有沒有考慮空曠性是不是在空曠一點的地方不要影響到對然後再來就是說我們會已經跟經濟部協商是以工業區為優先工業區為優先因為他們本身就是用電大戶那我們也考量過說這樣子的一個相關的空間大概已經佔了全台的整個建築空間屋頂空間大概佔了八成左右所以是以這些主要主體空間為主那現在相關的勞動法規建築法規我們其實都在檢討當中\n\n25\n00:08:55,319 --> 00:09:20,370\n那我是不是請那個我們建管這邊也說明一下好謝謝首先就是說其實我們在一千平方公尺以上的這個樓地屋頂的話其實它裝置最多只有二分之一也就是相關的逃生避難的這個設備其實它都不會受到影響這是第一點第二個就是說以現在的這個太陽能板的一個發展的狀態其實它已經是很少有鏡面的這樣鏡面的這個\n\n26\n00:09:22,631 --> 00:09:42,489\n光電板它大部分是採取現在比較霧面的或薄膜型的那這一類的話其實它相對反射的效果是沒有過去那麼高還是有一些啦還是有一些它如果集體的時候或許感覺上會有一些那第三個就是說其實在這個過程當中各相關單位他們也有提出甚至也有\n\n27\n00:09:43,109 --> 00:10:09,925\n反向希望我們能夠再降低希望讓更多的屋頂能設但是我們都強調先在這樣的狀態下先試著用這個1000平方公尺以上那其實它對小規模的小型的建築物或是甚至透天的話它就不是一個強制性的行為我們希望藉由這樣的推廣讓更多的這個更多的這個建築物上面能夠長出來這樣才能有辦法來做相關的普及\n\n28\n00:10:10,974 --> 00:10:32,324\n好謝謝那這邊還是要拜託政次跟我們署長這邊還是要傾聽民意看說會不會造成未來設置完了以後而且現在是強制一定要設置會不會造成整個這個都市很多民眾的一些干擾以及剛剛我講的安全性美觀性以及光害以及極熱的一些問題好不好是謝謝好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1616\t7532\t好謝謝主席各位委員各位官員大家早我們是請董事長以及消防署蕭組長董事長蕭組長有請\n16426\t39182\t董事長好委員好今天要討論的是有關於消防法規以及有關於電動車會造成的特殊的火災風險那社區是否有停車場是否有必要的消防設備以及如何減少消防方面的一些隱患那大家最近的資料顯示其實現在我們全台灣電動車的數量已經大概高達10萬台\n42805\t69047\t那住宅區設置電動裝的需求日益龐大那中古的公寓那針對推動這個充電裝的部分遇到許多的挑戰那我想要先請教這個署長的部分現在消防法規現在沒有強制要求社區要配置特殊的滅火設備那比如說像一些離電池專用滅火器或是滅火毯那請問一下現在靠這個自動灑水設備可以\n71949\t86025\t可以真的夠嗎是 跟委員報告我們在設置標準裡面設置自動消息設備已經公告 已經施行了所以目前的停車場裡面就公告以後到現在為止已經有338處的停車空間\n89308\t107828\t設置自動灑水設備這已經到位那後續可能會再繼續增加那請問一下現在的這個自動灑水設備是可以用來那個有關於離電池的火災是可以用來防範大量的水來離電池火災一定是靠大量的水來達成滅火的目的\n108559\t123353\t有需要說以後要請這些社區配置專用的離電池滅火器或滅火毯嗎這個我們再來檢討看後續的一個狀況看什麼樣的處理那也要跟署長報告我們可以看到我們今天那個POWPOW的一張圖這個右邊的這張圖是有關於這個韓國某一個社區因為這個電動車離電池起火而造成\n131420\t146330\t很大的一個自然的造成一個危害一個火災所以現在台灣有很多的社區有些社區就會公告說這個地下室不准停電動車那以及我覺得今天還有一個重點可以來討論的就是說其實我相信這個現在\n148751\t167860\t大樓管理條例也沒有規定這個管委會要三分之二以上同意才能設置充電樁那我記得印象中其實內政部是有想要修法有想要把這個門檻給調低那請問一下內政部有要提出這樣的相關的修法的規定嗎\n170064\t185223\t我請我們國路署長好 謝謝感謝委員因為我們其實當時的確有討論過要修法但是這修法的內容跟前提都是要把安全性跟這個車主的責任要定義清楚\n185703\t206828\t才有辦法在這個正式提出這個法案也就是因為就涉及到消防跟這個相關的防火區劃的規定這如果沒有確認是達到安全標準的話後來行政院也覺得要優先把這做完才能提案是這個意思好那我請教那次長那現在誰可以可以跟我講說現在整個\n209429\t226085\t有關於充電裝電動車充電裝的安全消防的規範何時才可以有一個比較明確的安全規範相關的安全規範我們剛才消防署消組長已經有說明了就是說有些規範我們已經公佈了那持續我們還會再做一些相關的檢討\n227106\t229627\t介研所也在幫忙針對停車場排煙設備的研究案正在處理今年會把研究成果提出來\n251793\t264949\t那另外就防火區化的問題今年會把這個成果提出來那同時我們在討論說是不是透過公有建築物這個部分來示範今年都會來進行這邊的作業的情形跟維護\n266209\t294318\t所以今年大概會有機會整個安全措施上會有一個明確的一個一個討論嘛OK好那我請教一下那就現在而言很多民眾購買電動車的時候他會考慮說他要去裝設那如果這個官員會同意的話那其實事實上現在據很多民眾所說在設置的部分是不是需要很長的一段時間以及他所相關的這個配電的一些措施\n295078\t316910\t是不是造成民眾有時候設一個充電樁要將近兩三個月以上的時間有沒有這樣的一個情形這個要依地方政府的權責去決定因為相關的法令我們是授權地方政府來做相關的設施的規範我們有一個基本的大概以市長你可不可以跟我簡單說明一下現在以一個民眾他買了一台電動車\n318311\t334348\t他如果想要在自家樓下的地下室裝設充電樁大概他整個來講需要花多久的時間可以從他申請到買完大概要花多久的時間我是不是可以請台電來做說明因為這是表後的那個設置是由台電來負責好 謝謝\n342088\t357816\t是報告委員通常用戶只要提出管委會的同意申請到台電來申請那台電拿到這個申請單以後我們這個他的內線自己裝好以後我們很快大概通常大概一\n359217\t380910\t兩個禮拜左右大概就可以完成那主要的問題不在台電這邊而在它第一個就是它管委會同不同意它第二個部分是它委託的這個水電承裝或是它原來的這個裝設的設備有沒有完全符合政府的規定如果有在台電那邊的程序是很快的以上跟委員報告 謝謝\n382230\t411290\t好 謝謝那我再請教政事這邊我請教另外一個充電樁的問題先到這邊那我希望說未來不管是整個消防的安全或者是整個建築技術條例大家要盡快來修改那未來是否是不是真的要降低這個管理會的門檻就由這個內政部這邊來做全權的管理那我再請教一個最近大家也是討論的很多人在討論的有關於再生能源發展條例有關於建築物設置太陽能光電板的設置標準\n411970\t440629\t像現在有一個草案在2月21號公告就是說如果建築物的面積達1000平方公尺的話它是要強制設置太陽能板的一個規定那我這邊要就較正式的部分有安全性、美觀性以及是否有光害會不會有極熱的問題讓我來請教一下這個正式如果真的這個草案現在是不是你們有收到一些不同的聲音比如說像台北市它是一個盆地的一個情況\n441610\t470688\t那第一個如果在新建的大樓上都要設置這個太陽能板會不會有一個安全性因為大家知道現在頂樓下面都有一些綠美化的一個問題那如果你在台北市在設置太陽能板的話未來這些未來的維修的一些問題以及美觀性的一些問題還有之前我們有看到很多新聞這個在頂樓設置太陽能板造成鄰居隔壁鄰居在住宅區的光害的一些問題民眾會抗議的問題而且台灣是一個整個來講是一個盆地的一個地形\n471388\t485983\t那如果在台北市的話已經很熱了然後你還這樣的話會不會造成溫室氣體等等的一些問題那請政事這邊是現在這個新的議題你有沒有統計的一些的問題還有你是不是說已經就是六十天公告以後即將在4月21號即將要上路\n487825\t505758\t我們公告就是收集大家的意見我們來進行修正但是也要跟委員報告就是說基本上我們強制1000平方米以上要裝設太陽能光板是考量所有相關建物的整體空間跟剛剛委員所考慮的許多的問題我們才設置1000平方米以上也就是基本上是一個大型的空間\n507159\t534318\t然後再來就是說有沒有考慮空曠性是不是在空曠一點的地方不要影響到對 然後再來就是說我們會已經跟經濟部協商是以工業區為優先工業區為優先因為他們本身就是用電大戶那我們也考量過說這樣子的一個相關的空間大概已經佔了全台的整個建築空間屋頂空間大概佔了八成左右所以是以這些主要主體空間為主那現在相關的勞動法規 建築法規我們其實都在檢討當中\n535319\t560370\t那我是不是請那個我們建管這邊也說明一下好 謝謝首先就是說其實我們在一千平方公尺以上的這個樓地屋頂的話其實它裝置最多只有二分之一也就是相關的逃生避難的這個設備其實它都不會受到影響這是第一點第二個就是說以現在的這個太陽能板的一個發展的狀態其實它已經是很少有鏡面的這樣鏡面的這個\n562631\t582489\t光電板它大部分是採取現在比較霧面的或薄膜型的那這一類的話其實它相對反射的效果是沒有過去那麼高還是有一些啦還是有一些它如果集體的時候或許感覺上會有一些那第三個就是說其實在這個過程當中各相關單位他們也有提出甚至也有\n583109\t609925\t反向希望我們能夠再降低希望讓更多的屋頂能設但是我們都強調先在這樣的狀態下先試著用這個1000平方公尺以上那其實它對小規模的小型的建築物或是甚至透天的話它就不是一個強制性的行為我們希望藉由這樣的推廣讓更多的這個更多的這個建築物上面能夠長出來這樣才能有辦法來做相關的普及\n610974\t632324\t好 謝謝那這邊還是要拜託政次跟我們署長這邊還是要傾聽民意看說會不會造成未來設置完了以後而且現在是強制一定要設置會不會造成整個這個都市很多民眾的一些干擾以及剛剛我講的安全性 美觀性以及光害以及極熱的一些問題好不好是 謝謝好 謝謝\n","txt":"好謝謝主席各位委員各位官員大家早我們是請董事長以及消防署蕭組長董事長蕭組長有請\n董事長好委員好今天要討論的是有關於消防法規以及有關於電動車會造成的特殊的火災風險那社區是否有停車場是否有必要的消防設備以及如何減少消防方面的一些隱患那大家最近的資料顯示其實現在我們全台灣電動車的數量已經大概高達10萬台\n那住宅區設置電動裝的需求日益龐大那中古的公寓那針對推動這個充電裝的部分遇到許多的挑戰那我想要先請教這個署長的部分現在消防法規現在沒有強制要求社區要配置特殊的滅火設備那比如說像一些離電池專用滅火器或是滅火毯那請問一下現在靠這個自動灑水設備可以\n可以真的夠嗎是 跟委員報告我們在設置標準裡面設置自動消息設備已經公告 已經施行了所以目前的停車場裡面就公告以後到現在為止已經有338處的停車空間\n設置自動灑水設備這已經到位那後續可能會再繼續增加那請問一下現在的這個自動灑水設備是可以用來那個有關於離電池的火災是可以用來防範大量的水來離電池火災一定是靠大量的水來達成滅火的目的\n有需要說以後要請這些社區配置專用的離電池滅火器或滅火毯嗎這個我們再來檢討看後續的一個狀況看什麼樣的處理那也要跟署長報告我們可以看到我們今天那個POWPOW的一張圖這個右邊的這張圖是有關於這個韓國某一個社區因為這個電動車離電池起火而造成\n很大的一個自然的造成一個危害一個火災所以現在台灣有很多的社區有些社區就會公告說這個地下室不准停電動車那以及我覺得今天還有一個重點可以來討論的就是說其實我相信這個現在\n大樓管理條例也沒有規定這個管委會要三分之二以上同意才能設置充電樁那我記得印象中其實內政部是有想要修法有想要把這個門檻給調低那請問一下內政部有要提出這樣的相關的修法的規定嗎\n我請我們國路署長好 謝謝感謝委員因為我們其實當時的確有討論過要修法但是這修法的內容跟前提都是要把安全性跟這個車主的責任要定義清楚\n才有辦法在這個正式提出這個法案也就是因為就涉及到消防跟這個相關的防火區劃的規定這如果沒有確認是達到安全標準的話後來行政院也覺得要優先把這做完才能提案是這個意思好那我請教那次長那現在誰可以可以跟我講說現在整個\n有關於充電裝電動車充電裝的安全消防的規範何時才可以有一個比較明確的安全規範相關的安全規範我們剛才消防署消組長已經有說明了就是說有些規範我們已經公佈了那持續我們還會再做一些相關的檢討\n介研所也在幫忙針對停車場排煙設備的研究案正在處理今年會把研究成果提出來\n那另外就防火區化的問題今年會把這個成果提出來那同時我們在討論說是不是透過公有建築物這個部分來示範今年都會來進行這邊的作業的情形跟維護\n所以今年大概會有機會整個安全措施上會有一個明確的一個一個討論嘛OK好那我請教一下那就現在而言很多民眾購買電動車的時候他會考慮說他要去裝設那如果這個官員會同意的話那其實事實上現在據很多民眾所說在設置的部分是不是需要很長的一段時間以及他所相關的這個配電的一些措施\n是不是造成民眾有時候設一個充電樁要將近兩三個月以上的時間有沒有這樣的一個情形這個要依地方政府的權責去決定因為相關的法令我們是授權地方政府來做相關的設施的規範我們有一個基本的大概以市長你可不可以跟我簡單說明一下現在以一個民眾他買了一台電動車\n他如果想要在自家樓下的地下室裝設充電樁大概他整個來講需要花多久的時間可以從他申請到買完大概要花多久的時間我是不是可以請台電來做說明因為這是表後的那個設置是由台電來負責好 謝謝\n是報告委員通常用戶只要提出管委會的同意申請到台電來申請那台電拿到這個申請單以後我們這個他的內線自己裝好以後我們很快大概通常大概一\n兩個禮拜左右大概就可以完成那主要的問題不在台電這邊而在它第一個就是它管委會同不同意它第二個部分是它委託的這個水電承裝或是它原來的這個裝設的設備有沒有完全符合政府的規定如果有在台電那邊的程序是很快的以上跟委員報告 謝謝\n好 謝謝那我再請教政事這邊我請教另外一個充電樁的問題先到這邊那我希望說未來不管是整個消防的安全或者是整個建築技術條例大家要盡快來修改那未來是否是不是真的要降低這個管理會的門檻就由這個內政部這邊來做全權的管理那我再請教一個最近大家也是討論的很多人在討論的有關於再生能源發展條例有關於建築物設置太陽能光電板的設置標準\n像現在有一個草案在2月21號公告就是說如果建築物的面積達1000平方公尺的話它是要強制設置太陽能板的一個規定那我這邊要就較正式的部分有安全性、美觀性以及是否有光害會不會有極熱的問題讓我來請教一下這個正式如果真的這個草案現在是不是你們有收到一些不同的聲音比如說像台北市它是一個盆地的一個情況\n那第一個如果在新建的大樓上都要設置這個太陽能板會不會有一個安全性因為大家知道現在頂樓下面都有一些綠美化的一個問題那如果你在台北市在設置太陽能板的話未來這些未來的維修的一些問題以及美觀性的一些問題還有之前我們有看到很多新聞這個在頂樓設置太陽能板造成鄰居隔壁鄰居在住宅區的光害的一些問題民眾會抗議的問題而且台灣是一個整個來講是一個盆地的一個地形\n那如果在台北市的話已經很熱了然後你還這樣的話會不會造成溫室氣體等等的一些問題那請政事這邊是現在這個新的議題你有沒有統計的一些的問題還有你是不是說已經就是六十天公告以後即將在4月21號即將要上路\n我們公告就是收集大家的意見我們來進行修正但是也要跟委員報告就是說基本上我們強制1000平方米以上要裝設太陽能光板是考量所有相關建物的整體空間跟剛剛委員所考慮的許多的問題我們才設置1000平方米以上也就是基本上是一個大型的空間\n然後再來就是說有沒有考慮空曠性是不是在空曠一點的地方不要影響到對 然後再來就是說我們會已經跟經濟部協商是以工業區為優先工業區為優先因為他們本身就是用電大戶那我們也考量過說這樣子的一個相關的空間大概已經佔了全台的整個建築空間屋頂空間大概佔了八成左右所以是以這些主要主體空間為主那現在相關的勞動法規 建築法規我們其實都在檢討當中\n那我是不是請那個我們建管這邊也說明一下好 謝謝首先就是說其實我們在一千平方公尺以上的這個樓地屋頂的話其實它裝置最多只有二分之一也就是相關的逃生避難的這個設備其實它都不會受到影響這是第一點第二個就是說以現在的這個太陽能板的一個發展的狀態其實它已經是很少有鏡面的這樣鏡面的這個\n光電板它大部分是採取現在比較霧面的或薄膜型的那這一類的話其實它相對反射的效果是沒有過去那麼高還是有一些啦還是有一些它如果集體的時候或許感覺上會有一些那第三個就是說其實在這個過程當中各相關單位他們也有提出甚至也有\n反向希望我們能夠再降低希望讓更多的屋頂能設但是我們都強調先在這樣的狀態下先試著用這個1000平方公尺以上那其實它對小規模的小型的建築物或是甚至透天的話它就不是一個強制性的行為我們希望藉由這樣的推廣讓更多的這個更多的這個建築物上面能夠長出來這樣才能有辦法來做相關的普及\n好 謝謝那這邊還是要拜託政次跟我們署長這邊還是要傾聽民意看說會不會造成未來設置完了以後而且現在是強制一定要設置會不會造成整個這個都市很多民眾的一些干擾以及剛剛我講的安全性 美觀性以及光害以及極熱的一些問題好不好是 謝謝好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.616 --> 00:07.532\n好謝謝主席各位委員各位官員大家早我們是請董事長以及消防署蕭組長董事長蕭組長有請\n\n00:16.426 --> 00:39.182\n董事長好委員好今天要討論的是有關於消防法規以及有關於電動車會造成的特殊的火災風險那社區是否有停車場是否有必要的消防設備以及如何減少消防方面的一些隱患那大家最近的資料顯示其實現在我們全台灣電動車的數量已經大概高達10萬台\n\n00:42.805 --> 01:09.047\n那住宅區設置電動裝的需求日益龐大那中古的公寓那針對推動這個充電裝的部分遇到許多的挑戰那我想要先請教這個署長的部分現在消防法規現在沒有強制要求社區要配置特殊的滅火設備那比如說像一些離電池專用滅火器或是滅火毯那請問一下現在靠這個自動灑水設備可以\n\n01:11.949 --> 01:26.025\n可以真的夠嗎是跟委員報告我們在設置標準裡面設置自動消息設備已經公告已經施行了所以目前的停車場裡面就公告以後到現在為止已經有338處的停車空間\n\n01:29.308 --> 01:47.828\n設置自動灑水設備這已經到位那後續可能會再繼續增加那請問一下現在的這個自動灑水設備是可以用來那個有關於離電池的火災是可以用來防範大量的水來離電池火災一定是靠大量的水來達成滅火的目的\n\n01:48.559 --> 02:03.353\n有需要說以後要請這些社區配置專用的離電池滅火器或滅火毯嗎這個我們再來檢討看後續的一個狀況看什麼樣的處理那也要跟署長報告我們可以看到我們今天那個POWPOW的一張圖這個右邊的這張圖是有關於這個韓國某一個社區因為這個電動車離電池起火而造成\n\n02:11.420 --> 02:26.330\n很大的一個自然的造成一個危害一個火災所以現在台灣有很多的社區有些社區就會公告說這個地下室不准停電動車那以及我覺得今天還有一個重點可以來討論的就是說其實我相信這個現在\n\n02:28.751 --> 02:47.860\n大樓管理條例也沒有規定這個管委會要三分之二以上同意才能設置充電樁那我記得印象中其實內政部是有想要修法有想要把這個門檻給調低那請問一下內政部有要提出這樣的相關的修法的規定嗎\n\n02:50.064 --> 03:05.223\n我請我們國路署長好謝謝感謝委員因為我們其實當時的確有討論過要修法但是這修法的內容跟前提都是要把安全性跟這個車主的責任要定義清楚\n\n03:05.703 --> 03:26.828\n才有辦法在這個正式提出這個法案也就是因為就涉及到消防跟這個相關的防火區劃的規定這如果沒有確認是達到安全標準的話後來行政院也覺得要優先把這做完才能提案是這個意思好那我請教那次長那現在誰可以可以跟我講說現在整個\n\n03:29.429 --> 03:46.085\n有關於充電裝電動車充電裝的安全消防的規範何時才可以有一個比較明確的安全規範相關的安全規範我們剛才消防署消組長已經有說明了就是說有些規範我們已經公佈了那持續我們還會再做一些相關的檢討\n\n03:47.106 --> 03:49.627\n介研所也在幫忙針對停車場排煙設備的研究案正在處理今年會把研究成果提出來\n\n04:11.793 --> 04:24.949\n那另外就防火區化的問題今年會把這個成果提出來那同時我們在討論說是不是透過公有建築物這個部分來示範今年都會來進行這邊的作業的情形跟維護\n\n04:26.209 --> 04:54.318\n所以今年大概會有機會整個安全措施上會有一個明確的一個一個討論嘛OK好那我請教一下那就現在而言很多民眾購買電動車的時候他會考慮說他要去裝設那如果這個官員會同意的話那其實事實上現在據很多民眾所說在設置的部分是不是需要很長的一段時間以及他所相關的這個配電的一些措施\n\n04:55.078 --> 05:16.910\n是不是造成民眾有時候設一個充電樁要將近兩三個月以上的時間有沒有這樣的一個情形這個要依地方政府的權責去決定因為相關的法令我們是授權地方政府來做相關的設施的規範我們有一個基本的大概以市長你可不可以跟我簡單說明一下現在以一個民眾他買了一台電動車\n\n05:18.311 --> 05:34.348\n他如果想要在自家樓下的地下室裝設充電樁大概他整個來講需要花多久的時間可以從他申請到買完大概要花多久的時間我是不是可以請台電來做說明因為這是表後的那個設置是由台電來負責好謝謝\n\n05:42.088 --> 05:57.816\n是報告委員通常用戶只要提出管委會的同意申請到台電來申請那台電拿到這個申請單以後我們這個他的內線自己裝好以後我們很快大概通常大概一\n\n05:59.217 --> 06:20.910\n兩個禮拜左右大概就可以完成那主要的問題不在台電這邊而在它第一個就是它管委會同不同意它第二個部分是它委託的這個水電承裝或是它原來的這個裝設的設備有沒有完全符合政府的規定如果有在台電那邊的程序是很快的以上跟委員報告謝謝\n\n06:22.230 --> 06:51.290\n好謝謝那我再請教政事這邊我請教另外一個充電樁的問題先到這邊那我希望說未來不管是整個消防的安全或者是整個建築技術條例大家要盡快來修改那未來是否是不是真的要降低這個管理會的門檻就由這個內政部這邊來做全權的管理那我再請教一個最近大家也是討論的很多人在討論的有關於再生能源發展條例有關於建築物設置太陽能光電板的設置標準\n\n06:51.970 --> 07:20.629\n像現在有一個草案在2月21號公告就是說如果建築物的面積達1000平方公尺的話它是要強制設置太陽能板的一個規定那我這邊要就較正式的部分有安全性、美觀性以及是否有光害會不會有極熱的問題讓我來請教一下這個正式如果真的這個草案現在是不是你們有收到一些不同的聲音比如說像台北市它是一個盆地的一個情況\n\n07:21.610 --> 07:50.688\n那第一個如果在新建的大樓上都要設置這個太陽能板會不會有一個安全性因為大家知道現在頂樓下面都有一些綠美化的一個問題那如果你在台北市在設置太陽能板的話未來這些未來的維修的一些問題以及美觀性的一些問題還有之前我們有看到很多新聞這個在頂樓設置太陽能板造成鄰居隔壁鄰居在住宅區的光害的一些問題民眾會抗議的問題而且台灣是一個整個來講是一個盆地的一個地形\n\n07:51.388 --> 08:05.983\n那如果在台北市的話已經很熱了然後你還這樣的話會不會造成溫室氣體等等的一些問題那請政事這邊是現在這個新的議題你有沒有統計的一些的問題還有你是不是說已經就是六十天公告以後即將在4月21號即將要上路\n\n08:07.825 --> 08:25.758\n我們公告就是收集大家的意見我們來進行修正但是也要跟委員報告就是說基本上我們強制1000平方米以上要裝設太陽能光板是考量所有相關建物的整體空間跟剛剛委員所考慮的許多的問題我們才設置1000平方米以上也就是基本上是一個大型的空間\n\n08:27.159 --> 08:54.318\n然後再來就是說有沒有考慮空曠性是不是在空曠一點的地方不要影響到對然後再來就是說我們會已經跟經濟部協商是以工業區為優先工業區為優先因為他們本身就是用電大戶那我們也考量過說這樣子的一個相關的空間大概已經佔了全台的整個建築空間屋頂空間大概佔了八成左右所以是以這些主要主體空間為主那現在相關的勞動法規建築法規我們其實都在檢討當中\n\n08:55.319 --> 09:20.370\n那我是不是請那個我們建管這邊也說明一下好謝謝首先就是說其實我們在一千平方公尺以上的這個樓地屋頂的話其實它裝置最多只有二分之一也就是相關的逃生避難的這個設備其實它都不會受到影響這是第一點第二個就是說以現在的這個太陽能板的一個發展的狀態其實它已經是很少有鏡面的這樣鏡面的這個\n\n09:22.631 --> 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