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00:00:34,499\n好次長好首先請教一下因為昨天其實有一個大新聞就是我們內政部底下的移民署依法懲處了一個在抖音上面的中配因為他宣稱鼓吹武統台灣血洗台灣那這樣的言論已經是涉及暴力戰爭犯罪\n\n3\n00:00:35,419 --> 00:00:39,721\n我認為已經是非常嚴重的恐嚇所以用這種形式卻以言論自由來包裝當成他的保護傘我認為是非常的不妥當所以內政部依法來懲處我認為是非常肯定的那其實我到今天也收到非常多的民眾來訓希望我們表達對內政部的肯定那我在此轉達我們選民的心聲說內政部做得好\n\n4\n00:01:02,213 --> 00:01:30,333\n那當然昨天這樣子的懲處之後也陸續的有一些人士包括說像王宏威他說這個應該要保護中配的言論自由那甚至趙少康也在節目上說可以主張台獨為什麼不能主張武統台灣說民進黨政府不能惡劣到這種程度那當然我要在這邊再一次的請內政部來澄清說請問武統台灣有包括在言論自由的範圍裡嗎\n\n5\n00:01:31,859 --> 00:01:58,824\n我想跟委員報告本部依據大陸區大陸地區人民在台灣依親居留長期居留或定期居留的許可辦法第十四條第一項第四款以及大陸地區人民申請在台灣地區依親居留長期居留或定居案件經不允許許可撤銷或廢止許可或不許可等在申請期間的處理原則的第二點第五款規定我們是依法辦理\n\n6\n00:01:59,582 --> 00:02:14,988\n好謝謝次長當然我相信你們這個都依法有據依法懲處然後取消他的這個依清的拘留證這個都沒有問題但我還是要再次強調說言論自由不是漫無邊際言論自由是有底線的\n\n7\n00:02:16,248 --> 00:02:41,336\n這個武統台灣已經是鼓吹戰爭鼓吹犯罪所以我認為你們接下來也應該要繼續有底氣人民會做你們的底氣那也希望說繼續用這樣的態度來處理相關如果還有相關的言論你們也可以考慮主動來出擊那我認為國家的安全是不容挑戰的國家的主權更是不容侵犯的所以希望接下來內政部也繼續用這樣的態度這樣的原則來處理好嗎\n\n8\n00:02:44,237 --> 00:03:09,406\n報告委員我們內政部就是依法辦理依法行政好謝謝次長說明那回到今天的主題這個公寓大廈管理條例的處理進度那其實這個我也接到非常多的澄清因為最近確實電動車的車主也越來越多了但是他們住的大樓可能是2019年以前的也就是說你要在舊大樓裡面要裝設充電樁確實常常會遇到阻礙\n\n9\n00:03:10,166 --> 00:03:11,889\n那其實我看了一下現在電動車台灣的這個持有的比例從2020年的登記數是1萬那5年內已經到了9.6萬輛甚至去年一整年就售出了3.8萬輛然後現在市佔率已經是8.3%\n\n10\n00:03:26,368 --> 00:03:48,521\n其實非常多那所以大家也越來越需要這個充電樁的相關的設置規範但是呢我擔心我們現在的法規並沒有跟上這個設置的趨勢包括說內政部其實2021年就有提過說這個公寓大廈管理條例應該要趕快來修正了可是經過三年到現在我不知道你們進度到底在哪裡\n\n11\n00:03:49,226 --> 00:04:05,138\n好剛才跟委員報告剛才我們已經就提過相關的法令修正其實我們一直持續在進行那我們也針對公益大廈管理條例相關的規範包括說同意的範疇什麼我們都進行修正但是如同剛才我們跟各位委員報告的\n\n12\n00:04:06,599 --> 00:04:27,008\n怎麼樣確保居民的生命財產安全是本部最重要的職責同時我們也要確保我們的消防同仁在進行相關救火的行動過程裡面他們的安全是無虞的所以我們希望在這樣的狀況考慮之下我們透過更多的實驗跟法規的檢討我們制定了一些相關的規範目前這些相關的規範包括說交通部\n\n13\n00:04:30,469 --> 00:04:54,842\n包括本部的消防署還有台北市政府、新北市政府、桃園市政府、台中市政府、台南市政府、基隆市政府跟新竹市政府都有一些還有高雄市政府都有一些相關的規範我們希望透過這些相關的規範去確認說大家在興建這些相關充電樁的時候它能夠達到一定的安全標準而且會達到我們消防署以及建管國土署的建管的一些要求這樣子才能夠確保大家的安全\n\n14\n00:04:55,592 --> 00:05:10,071\n好次長這就是我想要跟你督促也跟你討論的啦現在看起來是把這個相關的規範制定的全責落在各地方政府那我希望的是我們內政部應該要統一來進行相關的修法我們是有統一的相關的規範我請見官組長\n\n15\n00:05:14,513 --> 00:05:32,351\n呃報告委員呃有關於這個規範的部分當然我們之前的公寓大廈條例的修正草案裡面有相關的的的琢磨那另外呢在建築技術規則的部分有關於防火區劃的部分我們也會在近期做儘快的檢討這這是有關於建築部分的\n\n16\n00:05:33,172 --> 00:05:47,849\n規定那另外消防署也已經訂了建築物附屬停車空間電動車輛充電使用安全指引這就是中央的規定了所以這個消防署這個規定出來由地方的各個社區或地方政府都會遵照這個指引來做一個處理\n\n17\n00:05:48,479 --> 00:06:11,650\n好謝謝說明這就是沒錯雖然我有看到說去年消防署有頒布這個安全的指引但是其實第六點裡面有提到說這個管委會要自行訂定充電設備設置及管理辦法然後把它納到公寓大廈的規約我看到的你們的安全指引裡面是這樣子寫但是呢其實我接到很多住戶的反應是說可不可以再有具體的一些範本\n\n18\n00:06:13,891 --> 00:06:40,161\n就例如說其實你們在針對工藝大廈的管理規約的範本還有住宅租賃契約這樣的範本一樣是不是就可以直接制定一份充電設施設置及管理辦法的範本讓其實大樓他們就是直接用反正就是我們公版的絕對不會有錯嘛那其實大家也比較安心而不是說你們應該要訂但是怎麼訂你們自己去想辦法這是我希望我們內政部可以來提供的這個範本\n\n19\n00:06:41,141 --> 00:07:04,476\n那當然我還是要講一下說因為其實電動車的疑慮大家也都知道就是最常聽到住戶反應的就是第一個是消防安全的問題就是包括它的特殊的燃燒的模式可能會有一些噴箭然後甚至是它的一些金屬的碎片或者是說他們需要特殊的安全的需求那另外就是經費的問題\n\n20\n00:07:05,777 --> 00:07:15,106\n那其實我有接到過一些陳情是說住戶他願意就是拉包括拉管線然後那些電錶他們他願意全額負擔那全部估算起來可能超過一百萬他都願意可是就是礙於大家在區權會的時候沒有辦法答應\n\n21\n00:07:21,172 --> 00:07:40,071\n所以他也是覺得蠻困擾的那也希望說我們內政部是不是有相關的指引既然這個是我們政府的政策希望大家把這個電動車的趨勢提高那比例提高但是地方上卻沒有辦法處理這樣的阻礙所以我希望說內政部可以來定這個範本那剛剛其實剛剛那位是我們組長\n\n22\n00:07:41,252 --> 00:08:06,281\n主長主長也有提到這個防火的區劃那因為其實剛剛講到這個特殊燃燒的問題所以我希望是接下來是不是針對相關的停車場都要有獨立區劃的設計呢因為其實去年韓國有仁川有發生過他們就在地下室然後電動車燃燒然後甚至是140輛的車受損然後23人受傷然後當時其實他們政府就有討論說這個防火區劃針對電動車應該要有一些獨立的設置\n\n23\n00:08:10,925 --> 00:08:38,742\n是跟委員報告就是說第一個有關範本的部分我們正在積極擬定當中也會緊迫公佈那另外就是說有關防火區劃我剛剛已經報告了我們其實消防署跟建研所正在積極討論消防防火區劃的範圍還有它必須臨近比方說相關水源的地區等等還有它周邊不應該有可燃物這些東西我們都在討論當中我們希望說在這個就是說儘快在這個時間裡面我們提出來做討論然後跟社會大眾進行討論\n\n24\n00:08:39,662 --> 00:08:47,738\n那也希望說這個會期可以把範本然後防火區劃的設計安全指引都可以提供讓民眾來使用好嗎好我們請亮好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n2608\t5052\t好謝謝主席我們請次長董事長有請\n12605\t34499\t好 次長好 首先請教一下因為昨天其實有一個大新聞就是我們內政部底下的移民署依法懲處了一個在抖音上面的中配因為他宣稱鼓吹武統台灣 血洗台灣那這樣的言論已經是涉及暴力戰爭犯罪\n35419\t39721\t我認為已經是非常嚴重的恐嚇所以用這種形式卻以言論自由來包裝當成他的保護傘我認為是非常的不妥當所以內政部依法來懲處我認為是非常肯定的那其實我到今天也收到非常多的民眾來訓希望我們表達對內政部的肯定那我在此轉達我們選民的心聲說內政部做得好\n62213\t90333\t那當然昨天這樣子的懲處之後也陸續的有一些人士包括說像王宏威他說這個應該要保護中配的言論自由那甚至趙少康也在節目上說可以主張台獨為什麼不能主張武統台灣說民進黨政府不能惡劣到這種程度那當然我要在這邊再一次的請內政部來澄清說請問武統台灣有包括在言論自由的範圍裡嗎\n91859\t118824\t我想跟委員報告本部依據大陸區大陸地區人民在台灣依親居留長期居留或定期居留的許可辦法第十四條第一項第四款以及大陸地區人民申請在台灣地區依親居留長期居留或定居案件經不允許許可撤銷或廢止許可或不許可等在申請期間的處理原則的第二點第五款規定我們是依法辦理\n119582\t134988\t好謝謝次長當然我相信你們這個都依法有據依法懲處然後取消他的這個依清的拘留證這個都沒有問題但我還是要再次強調說言論自由不是漫無邊際言論自由是有底線的\n136248\t161336\t這個武統台灣已經是鼓吹戰爭鼓吹犯罪所以我認為你們接下來也應該要繼續有底氣人民會做你們的底氣那也希望說繼續用這樣的態度來處理相關如果還有相關的言論你們也可以考慮主動來出擊那我認為國家的安全是不容挑戰的國家的主權更是不容侵犯的所以希望接下來內政部也繼續用這樣的態度這樣的原則來處理好嗎\n164237\t189406\t報告委員我們內政部就是依法辦理依法行政好謝謝次長說明那回到今天的主題這個公寓大廈管理條例的處理進度那其實這個我也接到非常多的澄清因為最近確實電動車的車主也越來越多了但是他們住的大樓可能是2019年以前的也就是說你要在舊大樓裡面要裝設充電樁確實常常會遇到阻礙\n190166\t191889\t那其實我看了一下現在電動車台灣的這個持有的比例從2020年的登記數是1萬那5年內已經到了9.6萬輛甚至去年一整年就售出了3.8萬輛然後現在市佔率已經是8.3%\n206368\t228521\t其實非常多那所以大家也越來越需要這個充電樁的相關的設置規範但是呢我擔心我們現在的法規並沒有跟上這個設置的趨勢包括說內政部其實2021年就有提過說這個公寓大廈管理條例應該要趕快來修正了可是經過三年到現在我不知道你們進度到底在哪裡\n229226\t245138\t好 剛才跟委員報告剛才我們已經就提過相關的法令修正其實我們一直持續在進行那我們也針對公益大廈管理條例相關的規範包括說同意的範疇什麼我們都進行修正但是如同剛才我們跟各位委員報告的\n246599\t267008\t怎麼樣確保居民的生命財產安全是本部最重要的職責同時我們也要確保我們的消防同仁在進行相關救火的行動過程裡面他們的安全是無虞的所以我們希望在這樣的狀況考慮之下我們透過更多的實驗跟法規的檢討我們制定了一些相關的規範目前這些相關的規範包括說交通部\n270469\t294842\t包括本部的消防署還有台北市政府、新北市政府、桃園市政府、台中市政府、台南市政府、基隆市政府跟新竹市政府都有一些還有高雄市政府都有一些相關的規範我們希望透過這些相關的規範去確認說大家在興建這些相關充電樁的時候它能夠達到一定的安全標準而且會達到我們消防署以及建管國土署的建管的一些要求這樣子才能夠確保大家的安全\n295592\t310071\t好 次長這就是我想要跟你督促也跟你討論的啦現在看起來是把這個相關的規範制定的全責落在各地方政府那我希望的是我們內政部應該要統一來進行相關的修法我們是有統一的相關的規範我請見官組長\n314513\t332351\t呃報告委員呃有關於這個規範的部分當然我們之前的公寓大廈條例的修正草案裡面有相關的的的琢磨那另外呢在建築技術規則的部分有關於防火區劃的部分我們也會在近期做儘快的檢討這這是有關於建築部分的\n333172\t347849\t規定那另外消防署也已經訂了建築物附屬停車空間電動車輛充電使用安全指引這就是中央的規定了所以這個消防署這個規定出來由地方的各個社區或地方政府都會遵照這個指引來做一個處理\n348479\t371650\t好謝謝說明這就是沒錯雖然我有看到說去年消防署有頒布這個安全的指引但是其實第六點裡面有提到說這個管委會要自行訂定充電設備設置及管理辦法然後把它納到公寓大廈的規約我看到的你們的安全指引裡面是這樣子寫但是呢其實我接到很多住戶的反應是說可不可以再有具體的一些範本\n373891\t400161\t就例如說其實你們在針對工藝大廈的管理規約的範本還有住宅租賃契約這樣的範本一樣是不是就可以直接制定一份充電設施設置及管理辦法的範本讓其實大樓他們就是直接用反正就是我們公版的絕對不會有錯嘛那其實大家也比較安心而不是說你們應該要訂但是怎麼訂你們自己去想辦法這是我希望我們內政部可以來提供的這個範本\n401141\t424476\t那當然我還是要講一下說因為其實電動車的疑慮大家也都知道就是最常聽到住戶反應的就是第一個是消防安全的問題就是包括它的特殊的燃燒的模式可能會有一些噴箭然後甚至是它的一些金屬的碎片或者是說他們需要特殊的安全的需求那另外就是經費的問題\n425777\t435106\t那其實我有接到過一些陳情是說住戶他願意就是拉包括拉管線然後那些電錶他們他願意全額負擔那全部估算起來可能超過一百萬他都願意可是就是礙於大家在區權會的時候沒有辦法答應\n441172\t460071\t所以他也是覺得蠻困擾的那也希望說我們內政部是不是有相關的指引既然這個是我們政府的政策希望大家把這個電動車的趨勢提高那比例提高但是地方上卻沒有辦法處理這樣的阻礙所以我希望說內政部可以來定這個範本那剛剛其實剛剛那位是我們組長\n461252\t486281\t主長主長也有提到這個防火的區劃那因為其實剛剛講到這個特殊燃燒的問題所以我希望是接下來是不是針對相關的停車場都要有獨立區劃的設計呢因為其實去年韓國有仁川有發生過他們就在地下室然後電動車燃燒然後甚至是140輛的車受損然後23人受傷然後當時其實他們政府就有討論說這個防火區劃針對電動車應該要有一些獨立的設置\n490925\t518742\t是跟委員報告就是說第一個有關範本的部分我們正在積極擬定當中也會緊迫公佈那另外就是說有關防火區劃我剛剛已經報告了我們其實消防署跟建研所正在積極討論消防防火區劃的範圍還有它必須臨近比方說相關水源的地區等等還有它周邊不應該有可燃物這些東西我們都在討論當中我們希望說在這個就是說儘快在這個時間裡面我們提出來做討論然後跟社會大眾進行討論\n519662\t527738\t那也希望說這個會期可以把範本然後防火區劃的設計安全指引都可以提供讓民眾來使用好嗎好我們請亮好謝謝\n","txt":"好謝謝主席我們請次長董事長有請\n好 次長好 首先請教一下因為昨天其實有一個大新聞就是我們內政部底下的移民署依法懲處了一個在抖音上面的中配因為他宣稱鼓吹武統台灣 血洗台灣那這樣的言論已經是涉及暴力戰爭犯罪\n我認為已經是非常嚴重的恐嚇所以用這種形式卻以言論自由來包裝當成他的保護傘我認為是非常的不妥當所以內政部依法來懲處我認為是非常肯定的那其實我到今天也收到非常多的民眾來訓希望我們表達對內政部的肯定那我在此轉達我們選民的心聲說內政部做得好\n那當然昨天這樣子的懲處之後也陸續的有一些人士包括說像王宏威他說這個應該要保護中配的言論自由那甚至趙少康也在節目上說可以主張台獨為什麼不能主張武統台灣說民進黨政府不能惡劣到這種程度那當然我要在這邊再一次的請內政部來澄清說請問武統台灣有包括在言論自由的範圍裡嗎\n我想跟委員報告本部依據大陸區大陸地區人民在台灣依親居留長期居留或定期居留的許可辦法第十四條第一項第四款以及大陸地區人民申請在台灣地區依親居留長期居留或定居案件經不允許許可撤銷或廢止許可或不許可等在申請期間的處理原則的第二點第五款規定我們是依法辦理\n好謝謝次長當然我相信你們這個都依法有據依法懲處然後取消他的這個依清的拘留證這個都沒有問題但我還是要再次強調說言論自由不是漫無邊際言論自由是有底線的\n這個武統台灣已經是鼓吹戰爭鼓吹犯罪所以我認為你們接下來也應該要繼續有底氣人民會做你們的底氣那也希望說繼續用這樣的態度來處理相關如果還有相關的言論你們也可以考慮主動來出擊那我認為國家的安全是不容挑戰的國家的主權更是不容侵犯的所以希望接下來內政部也繼續用這樣的態度這樣的原則來處理好嗎\n報告委員我們內政部就是依法辦理依法行政好謝謝次長說明那回到今天的主題這個公寓大廈管理條例的處理進度那其實這個我也接到非常多的澄清因為最近確實電動車的車主也越來越多了但是他們住的大樓可能是2019年以前的也就是說你要在舊大樓裡面要裝設充電樁確實常常會遇到阻礙\n那其實我看了一下現在電動車台灣的這個持有的比例從2020年的登記數是1萬那5年內已經到了9.6萬輛甚至去年一整年就售出了3.8萬輛然後現在市佔率已經是8.3%\n其實非常多那所以大家也越來越需要這個充電樁的相關的設置規範但是呢我擔心我們現在的法規並沒有跟上這個設置的趨勢包括說內政部其實2021年就有提過說這個公寓大廈管理條例應該要趕快來修正了可是經過三年到現在我不知道你們進度到底在哪裡\n好 剛才跟委員報告剛才我們已經就提過相關的法令修正其實我們一直持續在進行那我們也針對公益大廈管理條例相關的規範包括說同意的範疇什麼我們都進行修正但是如同剛才我們跟各位委員報告的\n怎麼樣確保居民的生命財產安全是本部最重要的職責同時我們也要確保我們的消防同仁在進行相關救火的行動過程裡面他們的安全是無虞的所以我們希望在這樣的狀況考慮之下我們透過更多的實驗跟法規的檢討我們制定了一些相關的規範目前這些相關的規範包括說交通部\n包括本部的消防署還有台北市政府、新北市政府、桃園市政府、台中市政府、台南市政府、基隆市政府跟新竹市政府都有一些還有高雄市政府都有一些相關的規範我們希望透過這些相關的規範去確認說大家在興建這些相關充電樁的時候它能夠達到一定的安全標準而且會達到我們消防署以及建管國土署的建管的一些要求這樣子才能夠確保大家的安全\n好 次長這就是我想要跟你督促也跟你討論的啦現在看起來是把這個相關的規範制定的全責落在各地方政府那我希望的是我們內政部應該要統一來進行相關的修法我們是有統一的相關的規範我請見官組長\n呃報告委員呃有關於這個規範的部分當然我們之前的公寓大廈條例的修正草案裡面有相關的的的琢磨那另外呢在建築技術規則的部分有關於防火區劃的部分我們也會在近期做儘快的檢討這這是有關於建築部分的\n規定那另外消防署也已經訂了建築物附屬停車空間電動車輛充電使用安全指引這就是中央的規定了所以這個消防署這個規定出來由地方的各個社區或地方政府都會遵照這個指引來做一個處理\n好謝謝說明這就是沒錯雖然我有看到說去年消防署有頒布這個安全的指引但是其實第六點裡面有提到說這個管委會要自行訂定充電設備設置及管理辦法然後把它納到公寓大廈的規約我看到的你們的安全指引裡面是這樣子寫但是呢其實我接到很多住戶的反應是說可不可以再有具體的一些範本\n就例如說其實你們在針對工藝大廈的管理規約的範本還有住宅租賃契約這樣的範本一樣是不是就可以直接制定一份充電設施設置及管理辦法的範本讓其實大樓他們就是直接用反正就是我們公版的絕對不會有錯嘛那其實大家也比較安心而不是說你們應該要訂但是怎麼訂你們自己去想辦法這是我希望我們內政部可以來提供的這個範本\n那當然我還是要講一下說因為其實電動車的疑慮大家也都知道就是最常聽到住戶反應的就是第一個是消防安全的問題就是包括它的特殊的燃燒的模式可能會有一些噴箭然後甚至是它的一些金屬的碎片或者是說他們需要特殊的安全的需求那另外就是經費的問題\n那其實我有接到過一些陳情是說住戶他願意就是拉包括拉管線然後那些電錶他們他願意全額負擔那全部估算起來可能超過一百萬他都願意可是就是礙於大家在區權會的時候沒有辦法答應\n所以他也是覺得蠻困擾的那也希望說我們內政部是不是有相關的指引既然這個是我們政府的政策希望大家把這個電動車的趨勢提高那比例提高但是地方上卻沒有辦法處理這樣的阻礙所以我希望說內政部可以來定這個範本那剛剛其實剛剛那位是我們組長\n主長主長也有提到這個防火的區劃那因為其實剛剛講到這個特殊燃燒的問題所以我希望是接下來是不是針對相關的停車場都要有獨立區劃的設計呢因為其實去年韓國有仁川有發生過他們就在地下室然後電動車燃燒然後甚至是140輛的車受損然後23人受傷然後當時其實他們政府就有討論說這個防火區劃針對電動車應該要有一些獨立的設置\n是跟委員報告就是說第一個有關範本的部分我們正在積極擬定當中也會緊迫公佈那另外就是說有關防火區劃我剛剛已經報告了我們其實消防署跟建研所正在積極討論消防防火區劃的範圍還有它必須臨近比方說相關水源的地區等等還有它周邊不應該有可燃物這些東西我們都在討論當中我們希望說在這個就是說儘快在這個時間裡面我們提出來做討論然後跟社會大眾進行討論\n那也希望說這個會期可以把範本然後防火區劃的設計安全指引都可以提供讓民眾來使用好嗎好我們請亮好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.608 --> 00:05.052\n好謝謝主席我們請次長董事長有請\n\n00:12.605 --> 00:34.499\n好次長好首先請教一下因為昨天其實有一個大新聞就是我們內政部底下的移民署依法懲處了一個在抖音上面的中配因為他宣稱鼓吹武統台灣血洗台灣那這樣的言論已經是涉及暴力戰爭犯罪\n\n00:35.419 --> 00:39.721\n我認為已經是非常嚴重的恐嚇所以用這種形式卻以言論自由來包裝當成他的保護傘我認為是非常的不妥當所以內政部依法來懲處我認為是非常肯定的那其實我到今天也收到非常多的民眾來訓希望我們表達對內政部的肯定那我在此轉達我們選民的心聲說內政部做得好\n\n01:02.213 --> 01:30.333\n那當然昨天這樣子的懲處之後也陸續的有一些人士包括說像王宏威他說這個應該要保護中配的言論自由那甚至趙少康也在節目上說可以主張台獨為什麼不能主張武統台灣說民進黨政府不能惡劣到這種程度那當然我要在這邊再一次的請內政部來澄清說請問武統台灣有包括在言論自由的範圍裡嗎\n\n01:31.859 --> 01:58.824\n我想跟委員報告本部依據大陸區大陸地區人民在台灣依親居留長期居留或定期居留的許可辦法第十四條第一項第四款以及大陸地區人民申請在台灣地區依親居留長期居留或定居案件經不允許許可撤銷或廢止許可或不許可等在申請期間的處理原則的第二點第五款規定我們是依法辦理\n\n01:59.582 --> 02:14.988\n好謝謝次長當然我相信你們這個都依法有據依法懲處然後取消他的這個依清的拘留證這個都沒有問題但我還是要再次強調說言論自由不是漫無邊際言論自由是有底線的\n\n02:16.248 --> 02:41.336\n這個武統台灣已經是鼓吹戰爭鼓吹犯罪所以我認為你們接下來也應該要繼續有底氣人民會做你們的底氣那也希望說繼續用這樣的態度來處理相關如果還有相關的言論你們也可以考慮主動來出擊那我認為國家的安全是不容挑戰的國家的主權更是不容侵犯的所以希望接下來內政部也繼續用這樣的態度這樣的原則來處理好嗎\n\n02:44.237 --> 03:09.406\n報告委員我們內政部就是依法辦理依法行政好謝謝次長說明那回到今天的主題這個公寓大廈管理條例的處理進度那其實這個我也接到非常多的澄清因為最近確實電動車的車主也越來越多了但是他們住的大樓可能是2019年以前的也就是說你要在舊大樓裡面要裝設充電樁確實常常會遇到阻礙\n\n03:10.166 --> 03:11.889\n那其實我看了一下現在電動車台灣的這個持有的比例從2020年的登記數是1萬那5年內已經到了9.6萬輛甚至去年一整年就售出了3.8萬輛然後現在市佔率已經是8.3%\n\n03:26.368 --> 03:48.521\n其實非常多那所以大家也越來越需要這個充電樁的相關的設置規範但是呢我擔心我們現在的法規並沒有跟上這個設置的趨勢包括說內政部其實2021年就有提過說這個公寓大廈管理條例應該要趕快來修正了可是經過三年到現在我不知道你們進度到底在哪裡\n\n03:49.226 --> 04:05.138\n好剛才跟委員報告剛才我們已經就提過相關的法令修正其實我們一直持續在進行那我們也針對公益大廈管理條例相關的規範包括說同意的範疇什麼我們都進行修正但是如同剛才我們跟各位委員報告的\n\n04:06.599 --> 04:27.008\n怎麼樣確保居民的生命財產安全是本部最重要的職責同時我們也要確保我們的消防同仁在進行相關救火的行動過程裡面他們的安全是無虞的所以我們希望在這樣的狀況考慮之下我們透過更多的實驗跟法規的檢討我們制定了一些相關的規範目前這些相關的規範包括說交通部\n\n04:30.469 --> 04:54.842\n包括本部的消防署還有台北市政府、新北市政府、桃園市政府、台中市政府、台南市政府、基隆市政府跟新竹市政府都有一些還有高雄市政府都有一些相關的規範我們希望透過這些相關的規範去確認說大家在興建這些相關充電樁的時候它能夠達到一定的安全標準而且會達到我們消防署以及建管國土署的建管的一些要求這樣子才能夠確保大家的安全\n\n04:55.592 --> 05:10.071\n好次長這就是我想要跟你督促也跟你討論的啦現在看起來是把這個相關的規範制定的全責落在各地方政府那我希望的是我們內政部應該要統一來進行相關的修法我們是有統一的相關的規範我請見官組長\n\n05:14.513 --> 05:32.351\n呃報告委員呃有關於這個規範的部分當然我們之前的公寓大廈條例的修正草案裡面有相關的的的琢磨那另外呢在建築技術規則的部分有關於防火區劃的部分我們也會在近期做儘快的檢討這這是有關於建築部分的\n\n05:33.172 --> 05:47.849\n規定那另外消防署也已經訂了建築物附屬停車空間電動車輛充電使用安全指引這就是中央的規定了所以這個消防署這個規定出來由地方的各個社區或地方政府都會遵照這個指引來做一個處理\n\n05:48.479 --> 06:11.650\n好謝謝說明這就是沒錯雖然我有看到說去年消防署有頒布這個安全的指引但是其實第六點裡面有提到說這個管委會要自行訂定充電設備設置及管理辦法然後把它納到公寓大廈的規約我看到的你們的安全指引裡面是這樣子寫但是呢其實我接到很多住戶的反應是說可不可以再有具體的一些範本\n\n06:13.891 --> 06:40.161\n就例如說其實你們在針對工藝大廈的管理規約的範本還有住宅租賃契約這樣的範本一樣是不是就可以直接制定一份充電設施設置及管理辦法的範本讓其實大樓他們就是直接用反正就是我們公版的絕對不會有錯嘛那其實大家也比較安心而不是說你們應該要訂但是怎麼訂你們自己去想辦法這是我希望我們內政部可以來提供的這個範本\n\n06:41.141 --> 07:04.476\n那當然我還是要講一下說因為其實電動車的疑慮大家也都知道就是最常聽到住戶反應的就是第一個是消防安全的問題就是包括它的特殊的燃燒的模式可能會有一些噴箭然後甚至是它的一些金屬的碎片或者是說他們需要特殊的安全的需求那另外就是經費的問題\n\n07:05.777 --> 07:15.106\n那其實我有接到過一些陳情是說住戶他願意就是拉包括拉管線然後那些電錶他們他願意全額負擔那全部估算起來可能超過一百萬他都願意可是就是礙於大家在區權會的時候沒有辦法答應\n\n07:21.172 --> 07:40.071\n所以他也是覺得蠻困擾的那也希望說我們內政部是不是有相關的指引既然這個是我們政府的政策希望大家把這個電動車的趨勢提高那比例提高但是地方上卻沒有辦法處理這樣的阻礙所以我希望說內政部可以來定這個範本那剛剛其實剛剛那位是我們組長\n\n07:41.252 --> 08:06.281\n主長主長也有提到這個防火的區劃那因為其實剛剛講到這個特殊燃燒的問題所以我希望是接下來是不是針對相關的停車場都要有獨立區劃的設計呢因為其實去年韓國有仁川有發生過他們就在地下室然後電動車燃燒然後甚至是140輛的車受損然後23人受傷然後當時其實他們政府就有討論說這個防火區劃針對電動車應該要有一些獨立的設置\n\n08:10.925 --> 08:38.742\n是跟委員報告就是說第一個有關範本的部分我們正在積極擬定當中也會緊迫公佈那另外就是說有關防火區劃我剛剛已經報告了我們其實消防署跟建研所正在積極討論消防防火區劃的範圍還有它必須臨近比方說相關水源的地區等等還有它周邊不應該有可燃物這些東西我們都在討論當中我們希望說在這個就是說儘快在這個時間裡面我們提出來做討論然後跟社會大眾進行討論\n\n08:39.662 --> 08:47.738\n那也希望說這個會期可以把範本然後防火區劃的設計安全指引都可以提供讓民眾來使用好嗎好我們請亮好謝謝\n\n","segments":[{"start":2.608,"end":5.052,"text":"好謝謝主席我們請次長董事長有請"},{"start":12.605,"end":34.499,"text":"好 次長好 首先請教一下因為昨天其實有一個大新聞就是我們內政部底下的移民署依法懲處了一個在抖音上面的中配因為他宣稱鼓吹武統台灣 血洗台灣那這樣的言論已經是涉及暴力戰爭犯罪"},{"start":35.419,"end":39.721,"text":"我認為已經是非常嚴重的恐嚇所以用這種形式卻以言論自由來包裝當成他的保護傘我認為是非常的不妥當所以內政部依法來懲處我認為是非常肯定的那其實我到今天也收到非常多的民眾來訓希望我們表達對內政部的肯定那我在此轉達我們選民的心聲說內政部做得好"},{"start":62.213,"end":90.333,"text":"那當然昨天這樣子的懲處之後也陸續的有一些人士包括說像王宏威他說這個應該要保護中配的言論自由那甚至趙少康也在節目上說可以主張台獨為什麼不能主張武統台灣說民進黨政府不能惡劣到這種程度那當然我要在這邊再一次的請內政部來澄清說請問武統台灣有包括在言論自由的範圍裡嗎"},{"start":91.859,"end":118.824,"text":"我想跟委員報告本部依據大陸區大陸地區人民在台灣依親居留長期居留或定期居留的許可辦法第十四條第一項第四款以及大陸地區人民申請在台灣地區依親居留長期居留或定居案件經不允許許可撤銷或廢止許可或不許可等在申請期間的處理原則的第二點第五款規定我們是依法辦理"},{"start":119.582,"end":134.988,"text":"好謝謝次長當然我相信你們這個都依法有據依法懲處然後取消他的這個依清的拘留證這個都沒有問題但我還是要再次強調說言論自由不是漫無邊際言論自由是有底線的"},{"start":136.248,"end":161.336,"text":"這個武統台灣已經是鼓吹戰爭鼓吹犯罪所以我認為你們接下來也應該要繼續有底氣人民會做你們的底氣那也希望說繼續用這樣的態度來處理相關如果還有相關的言論你們也可以考慮主動來出擊那我認為國家的安全是不容挑戰的國家的主權更是不容侵犯的所以希望接下來內政部也繼續用這樣的態度這樣的原則來處理好嗎"},{"start":164.237,"end":189.406,"text":"報告委員我們內政部就是依法辦理依法行政好謝謝次長說明那回到今天的主題這個公寓大廈管理條例的處理進度那其實這個我也接到非常多的澄清因為最近確實電動車的車主也越來越多了但是他們住的大樓可能是2019年以前的也就是說你要在舊大樓裡面要裝設充電樁確實常常會遇到阻礙"},{"start":190.166,"end":191.889,"text":"那其實我看了一下現在電動車台灣的這個持有的比例從2020年的登記數是1萬那5年內已經到了9.6萬輛甚至去年一整年就售出了3.8萬輛然後現在市佔率已經是8.3%"},{"start":206.368,"end":228.521,"text":"其實非常多那所以大家也越來越需要這個充電樁的相關的設置規範但是呢我擔心我們現在的法規並沒有跟上這個設置的趨勢包括說內政部其實2021年就有提過說這個公寓大廈管理條例應該要趕快來修正了可是經過三年到現在我不知道你們進度到底在哪裡"},{"start":229.226,"end":245.138,"text":"好 剛才跟委員報告剛才我們已經就提過相關的法令修正其實我們一直持續在進行那我們也針對公益大廈管理條例相關的規範包括說同意的範疇什麼我們都進行修正但是如同剛才我們跟各位委員報告的"},{"start":246.599,"end":267.008,"text":"怎麼樣確保居民的生命財產安全是本部最重要的職責同時我們也要確保我們的消防同仁在進行相關救火的行動過程裡面他們的安全是無虞的所以我們希望在這樣的狀況考慮之下我們透過更多的實驗跟法規的檢討我們制定了一些相關的規範目前這些相關的規範包括說交通部"},{"start":270.469,"end":294.842,"text":"包括本部的消防署還有台北市政府、新北市政府、桃園市政府、台中市政府、台南市政府、基隆市政府跟新竹市政府都有一些還有高雄市政府都有一些相關的規範我們希望透過這些相關的規範去確認說大家在興建這些相關充電樁的時候它能夠達到一定的安全標準而且會達到我們消防署以及建管國土署的建管的一些要求這樣子才能夠確保大家的安全"},{"start":295.592,"end":310.071,"text":"好 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