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00:02:35,778\n那目前我們行政院的青年諮詢委員會已經進入到第五屆那特別是在上屆的會期我們很多委員有提到這個部分所以在青年基本法的這個部分也涉及到泡泡會青年組織化不好意思我是問說這個諮詢委員會本身來講最後面它是說討論議題邀集各相關部會共同延伸政策方向那請問最後面以落實青年公共參與最後面落實了些什麼事情有做出哪些政策上的改變跟提議嗎\n\n7\n00:02:37,058 --> 00:02:42,843\n市長這就是我講的為什麼說提出一個方向去做因為最後面如果說繼續這樣下去最後面就是把這個整個所有的責任分到所有機關裡面去\n\n8\n00:03:01,940 --> 00:03:18,884\n如果只能做如果青年基本法假設你現在在體制內你要推動改革你要推動改變那你只能選一個方向來做而不會讓這邊全部刪到都是各個部會其他部會的問題都是其他憲政市府的問題假設如果你能夠改變一個方向你會做什麼\n\n9\n00:03:19,464 --> 00:03:41,662\n跟委員報告像剛才委員提到行政院青年諮詢委員會其實這個會議召開的時候是所有的部會長官主管都要到然後包括青年政府的很多政策他的意見提出來是卓院長親自聆聽然後當場指派說哪個部會哪個主管要處理這個問題而且都會列管\n\n10\n00:03:42,142 --> 00:03:58,811\n所以其實這個部分就是也因為透過這樣的力量所以各個部會就是能夠很確實的去執行這個很多青年提出來的一些意見跟建議這樣子確實的哪一點其實非常多這個已經第五屆其實有很多的政策都有是青年\n\n11\n00:03:58,971 --> 00:04:23,400\n提出來後來落實但我現在沒有辦法一一列數我認為如果把它列出來會讓所有人不是不是朝野各所有人對於青年的未來意見會比較有一個清楚的輪廓我希望說會後我們能提供這方面的資料那再來是有關這個因為這個這次青年基本法官報會需要很多部會那當然很多部會給出的這個提案跟這個回答順便回答本席會看的覺得\n\n12\n00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:46,513\n有些地方會讓我覺得蠻奇特的像是在經濟部在第二大在第二大項的第二大項的第三上面第三投資這上面那他是說我們會運用行政院國發基金100億來推動這個中小企業實施方案共同投資國內中小及輕創企業113年度共投資25家29案\n\n13\n00:04:52,817 --> 00:05:11,764\n這個意思應該如果我解讀的沒錯的話等於平均一案拿到四億的補助那我想請問一下這個市長或經濟部的代表請問一下這個青創企業你們的definition你們的這個定義是什麼我想可能我再請經濟部來回答一下\n\n14\n00:05:13,510 --> 00:05:31,784\n跟委員做一個報告青創企業我們是年限希望在八年以內但是這整個青創企業不盡然是全部是由大部分的經營者是青年所以我們只是說在這樣子的一個機制之下對於有發展潛力的青年或者是青年所設立的青創企業\n\n15\n00:05:32,324 --> 00:05:44,432\n我也想請問一下就是說那這些青創企業你們補助過了他們會重複拿到補助嗎還是只是一次一次按一次而已他們有重複補助的狀況嗎\n\n16\n00:05:45,516 --> 00:06:12,286\n是我們盡量會避免這情況因為對於青年的協助所以可能有如果有的話你們把它列出來我們想知道說如果有重複補助的狀況而且主婦的補助的金額是多少那它最重要的是五年內的生存率有多高因為畢竟來講一百億的國發基金拿來補助中小企業跟輕創企業假設說是輕創企業我們需要更明確的資料畢竟這是國家人的納稅錢\n\n17\n00:06:13,526 --> 00:06:37,835\n既然經濟部到了我還有另外一個奇怪的問題國發基金這部分是屬於投資就是看到這個新創企業未來的發展潛力由經濟部由國發會搭配特定的長官不好意思投資也要看投資報酬率是的那我們也想知道投資去哪裡投資標的是哪裡那投資最後面結果是怎麼樣我想這個我們都有權知道吧\n\n18\n00:06:39,236 --> 00:06:59,389\n跟委員報告一下現在100億投25家不是說25家拿了100億不是是那個基金100億那個基金可是要用很多年的所以去年投25家那至少說投資哪幾家輕創我們想知道那投資過去幾年之間有沒有重複有沒有重複給這個Grant我們把這資料提供給\n\n19\n00:07:00,169 --> 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而且都會列管\n222142\t238811\t所以其實這個部分就是也因為透過這樣的力量所以各個部會就是能夠很確實的去執行這個很多青年提出來的一些意見跟建議這樣子確實的哪一點其實非常多這個已經第五屆其實有很多的政策都有是青年\n238971\t263400\t提出來後來落實但我現在沒有辦法一一列數我認為如果把它列出來會讓所有人不是不是朝野各所有人對於青年的未來意見會比較有一個清楚的輪廓我希望說會後我們能提供這方面的資料那再來是有關這個因為這個這次青年基本法官報會需要很多部會那當然很多部會給出的這個提案跟這個回答順便回答本席會看的覺得\n264600\t286513\t有些地方會讓我覺得蠻奇特的像是在經濟部在第二大在第二大項的第二大項的第三上面第三投資這上面那他是說我們會運用行政院國發基金100億來推動這個中小企業實施方案共同投資國內中小及輕創企業113年度共投資25家29案\n292817\t311764\t這個意思應該如果我解讀的沒錯的話等於平均一案拿到四億的補助那我想請問一下這個市長或經濟部的代表請問一下這個青創企業你們的definition你們的這個定義是什麼我想 可能我再請經濟部來回答一下\n313510\t331784\t跟委員做一個報告青創企業我們是年限希望在八年以內但是這整個青創企業不盡然是全部是由大部分的經營者是青年所以我們只是說在這樣子的一個機制之下對於有發展潛力的青年或者是青年所設立的青創企業\n332324\t344432\t我也想請問一下就是說那這些青創企業你們補助過了他們會重複拿到補助嗎還是只是一次一次按一次而已他們有重複補助的狀況嗎\n345516\t372286\t是 我們盡量會避免這情況因為對於青年的協助所以可能有如果有的話你們把它列出來我們想知道說如果有重複補助的狀況而且主婦的補助的金額是多少那它最重要的是五年內的生存率有多高因為畢竟來講一百億的國發基金拿來補助中小企業跟輕創企業假設說是輕創企業我們需要更明確的資料畢竟這是國家人的納稅錢\n373526\t397835\t既然經濟部到了我還有另外一個奇怪的問題國發基金這部分是屬於投資就是看到這個新創企業未來的發展潛力由經濟部由國發會搭配特定的長官不好意思投資也要看投資報酬率是的那我們也想知道投資去哪裡投資標的是哪裡那投資最後面結果是怎麼樣我想這個我們都有權知道吧\n399236\t419389\t跟委員報告一下現在100億投25家不是說25家拿了100億不是是那個基金100億那個基金可是要用很多年的所以去年投25家那至少說投資哪幾家輕創我們想知道那投資過去幾年之間有沒有重複有沒有重複給這個Grant我們把這資料提供給\n420169\t435843\t更重要的是五年之內的投資過的至少從2020年到現在投資過的後來五年內的生存率為何所以這樣子如果說五年多一個公司五年都撐不到的話那我們這個投資可能就打水漂了很明顯投資就不合比例\n436343\t453734\t那竟然還有另外一個也是經濟部講的我其實對於經濟部這些字我覺得有點不太了解因為畢竟來講五大信賴產業裡面你們說半導體人工智慧安控跟次世代通訊我都可以理解透過主題競賽產業合作跟國際連結可能可以幫輕創產業這邊講輕創企業對吧那我想請問軍工業\n462179\t477711\t怎麼透過主題競賽產業合作跟國際連結幫軍工業做好這個開拓市場呢那我想請問軍工業指的是哪一個系統呢聯合國五大理事國都有各自的系統那請問我們的軍工業要符合哪個系統\n478710\t502348\t像委員報告這個主要是說在有關於相關的軍工領域的應用像現在的無人機、機器人以及像我們有很好的這些機能性的防品那這些防品如果應用在相關的國防或者是相關的應用領域我們著重的是希望能夠引導新創事業能夠瞄準這些未來具有國際競爭力的這個領域去做相關的發展\n504990\t531735\t我的重點還是在於青創因為這次是青年基本法那青創企業這個名詞我不希望被濫用我希望有個更明確的definition有更明確的定義出來而且對於青創我們的輔助對他們未來的走向跟他們實質上怎麼樣操作企業我覺得需要更明確讓我們知道更多一點所以對於青創企業這一點來講我希望會後可以補充多一點資料讓本席來瞭解是的好 謝謝\n","txt":"有請葉次長有請葉次長\n葉市長 在我看到這個青年基本法的草案書面報告從行政院人事行政總署回來的答覆好像對於這個法會認為說這個法是個跌床架屋因為他目前仔細仔細看這一頁報告裡面他所講的都是說有關這個青年基本法基本上目前所有部會的功能都可以把它covered up\n所以對這個青年基本法行政院人事行政總處是認為說可能這個法是必要性不足那請問你的想法呢我想就是說確實現在很多在照顧青年的政策政府都已經在做但是這些事情怎麼樣透過一個基本法這樣一個比較高的位階來規範說這就是我們所有部位這個政府應該要做的事情我覺得它其實還是有它立法的必要性\n那你現在是在體制內的次長如果說你要落實像這樣的基本法的話請問你會從哪個方面下手我想這個當然如果你只能做一件事從一個方面下手你會從哪個方面下手因為這個其實需要跨部會一起來做的就是你現在假設你是因為老實說我另外一個問題是想請問就是說這邊有說行政院已設青年諮詢委員會並由行政院院長當單級召集人\n我們這個法正式開始討論的時間是2023年6月9號請問從2023年6月9號到今天我們這個行政院的青年諮詢委員會一共開過多少次會有哪些人參與甚至是說他們有做了哪些政策上的提議或者改變來造福青年這部分我請署長來回應一下\n那目前我們行政院的青年諮詢委員會已經進入到第五屆那特別是在上屆的會期我們很多委員有提到這個部分所以在青年基本法的這個部分也涉及到泡泡會青年組織化不好意思我是問說這個諮詢委員會本身來講最後面它是說討論議題邀集各相關部會共同延伸政策方向那請問最後面以落實青年公共參與最後面落實了些什麼事情有做出哪些政策上的改變跟提議嗎\n市長這就是我講的為什麼說提出一個方向去做因為最後面如果說繼續這樣下去最後面就是把這個整個所有的責任分到所有機關裡面去\n如果只能做 如果青年基本法假設你現在在體制內你要推動改革 你要推動改變那你只能選一個方向來做而不會讓這邊全部刪到都是各個部會 其他部會的問題都是其他憲政市府的問題假設如果你能夠改變一個方向你會做什麼\n跟委員報告 像剛才委員提到行政院青年諮詢委員會其實這個會議召開的時候是所有的部會長官主管都要到然後包括青年政府的很多政策他的意見提出來是卓院長親自聆聽然後當場指派說哪個部會哪個主管要處理這個問題 而且都會列管\n所以其實這個部分就是也因為透過這樣的力量所以各個部會就是能夠很確實的去執行這個很多青年提出來的一些意見跟建議這樣子確實的哪一點其實非常多這個已經第五屆其實有很多的政策都有是青年\n提出來後來落實但我現在沒有辦法一一列數我認為如果把它列出來會讓所有人不是不是朝野各所有人對於青年的未來意見會比較有一個清楚的輪廓我希望說會後我們能提供這方面的資料那再來是有關這個因為這個這次青年基本法官報會需要很多部會那當然很多部會給出的這個提案跟這個回答順便回答本席會看的覺得\n有些地方會讓我覺得蠻奇特的像是在經濟部在第二大在第二大項的第二大項的第三上面第三投資這上面那他是說我們會運用行政院國發基金100億來推動這個中小企業實施方案共同投資國內中小及輕創企業113年度共投資25家29案\n這個意思應該如果我解讀的沒錯的話等於平均一案拿到四億的補助那我想請問一下這個市長或經濟部的代表請問一下這個青創企業你們的definition你們的這個定義是什麼我想 可能我再請經濟部來回答一下\n跟委員做一個報告青創企業我們是年限希望在八年以內但是這整個青創企業不盡然是全部是由大部分的經營者是青年所以我們只是說在這樣子的一個機制之下對於有發展潛力的青年或者是青年所設立的青創企業\n我也想請問一下就是說那這些青創企業你們補助過了他們會重複拿到補助嗎還是只是一次一次按一次而已他們有重複補助的狀況嗎\n是 我們盡量會避免這情況因為對於青年的協助所以可能有如果有的話你們把它列出來我們想知道說如果有重複補助的狀況而且主婦的補助的金額是多少那它最重要的是五年內的生存率有多高因為畢竟來講一百億的國發基金拿來補助中小企業跟輕創企業假設說是輕創企業我們需要更明確的資料畢竟這是國家人的納稅錢\n既然經濟部到了我還有另外一個奇怪的問題國發基金這部分是屬於投資就是看到這個新創企業未來的發展潛力由經濟部由國發會搭配特定的長官不好意思投資也要看投資報酬率是的那我們也想知道投資去哪裡投資標的是哪裡那投資最後面結果是怎麼樣我想這個我們都有權知道吧\n跟委員報告一下現在100億投25家不是說25家拿了100億不是是那個基金100億那個基金可是要用很多年的所以去年投25家那至少說投資哪幾家輕創我們想知道那投資過去幾年之間有沒有重複有沒有重複給這個Grant我們把這資料提供給\n更重要的是五年之內的投資過的至少從2020年到現在投資過的後來五年內的生存率為何所以這樣子如果說五年多一個公司五年都撐不到的話那我們這個投資可能就打水漂了很明顯投資就不合比例\n那竟然還有另外一個也是經濟部講的我其實對於經濟部這些字我覺得有點不太了解因為畢竟來講五大信賴產業裡面你們說半導體人工智慧安控跟次世代通訊我都可以理解透過主題競賽產業合作跟國際連結可能可以幫輕創產業這邊講輕創企業對吧那我想請問軍工業\n怎麼透過主題競賽產業合作跟國際連結幫軍工業做好這個開拓市場呢那我想請問軍工業指的是哪一個系統呢聯合國五大理事國都有各自的系統那請問我們的軍工業要符合哪個系統\n像委員報告這個主要是說在有關於相關的軍工領域的應用像現在的無人機、機器人以及像我們有很好的這些機能性的防品那這些防品如果應用在相關的國防或者是相關的應用領域我們著重的是希望能夠引導新創事業能夠瞄準這些未來具有國際競爭力的這個領域去做相關的發展\n我的重點還是在於青創因為這次是青年基本法那青創企業這個名詞我不希望被濫用我希望有個更明確的definition有更明確的定義出來而且對於青創我們的輔助對他們未來的走向跟他們實質上怎麼樣操作企業我覺得需要更明確讓我們知道更多一點所以對於青創企業這一點來講我希望會後可以補充多一點資料讓本席來瞭解是的好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:07.243 --> 00:07.746\n有請葉次長有請葉次長\n\n00:17.230 --> 00:42.226\n葉市長在我看到這個青年基本法的草案書面報告從行政院人事行政總署回來的答覆好像對於這個法會認為說這個法是個跌床架屋因為他目前仔細仔細看這一頁報告裡面他所講的都是說有關這個青年基本法基本上目前所有部會的功能都可以把它coveredup\n\n00:42.486 --> 01:10.093\n所以對這個青年基本法行政院人事行政總處是認為說可能這個法是必要性不足那請問你的想法呢我想就是說確實現在很多在照顧青年的政策政府都已經在做但是這些事情怎麼樣透過一個基本法這樣一個比較高的位階來規範說這就是我們所有部位這個政府應該要做的事情我覺得它其實還是有它立法的必要性\n\n01:10.393 --> 01:36.375\n那你現在是在體制內的次長如果說你要落實像這樣的基本法的話請問你會從哪個方面下手我想這個當然如果你只能做一件事從一個方面下手你會從哪個方面下手因為這個其實需要跨部會一起來做的就是你現在假設你是因為老實說我另外一個問題是想請問就是說這邊有說行政院已設青年諮詢委員會並由行政院院長當單級召集人\n\n01:39.617 --> 02:05.285\n我們這個法正式開始討論的時間是2023年6月9號請問從2023年6月9號到今天我們這個行政院的青年諮詢委員會一共開過多少次會有哪些人參與甚至是說他們有做了哪些政策上的提議或者改變來造福青年這部分我請署長來回應一下\n\n02:07.082 --> 02:35.778\n那目前我們行政院的青年諮詢委員會已經進入到第五屆那特別是在上屆的會期我們很多委員有提到這個部分所以在青年基本法的這個部分也涉及到泡泡會青年組織化不好意思我是問說這個諮詢委員會本身來講最後面它是說討論議題邀集各相關部會共同延伸政策方向那請問最後面以落實青年公共參與最後面落實了些什麼事情有做出哪些政策上的改變跟提議嗎\n\n02:37.058 --> 02:42.843\n市長這就是我講的為什麼說提出一個方向去做因為最後面如果說繼續這樣下去最後面就是把這個整個所有的責任分到所有機關裡面去\n\n03:01.940 --> 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20 人擬具「青年基本法草案」案；十七、審查委員林德福等 20 人擬具\n「青年發展基本法草案」案；十八、審查委員羅廷瑋等16人擬具「青年基本法草案」案 (僅進行\n詢答)","agenda_id":"1142601_00009"}}}