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00:01:09,191\n如果有這個偽造的連署死人連署有沒有違反刑法我剛剛看到那個部長立刻回答有可能觸及那我要特別提醒在當年我們韓國瑜院長當時他也是被罷免當時他的連署書出現了1348份的死人連署但是\n\n4\n00:01:10,393 --> 00:01:40,033\n我印象所及他的領銜人並沒有被任何的偵辦所以如果說觸及刑法的話罷免韓國瑜有1348份的死人連署沒事那當然現在我們也看到我們很多民進黨的政治人物去提告一些領銜人當然提告也是他們的權利但是我要講司法不應該有雙標同樣的死人連署\n\n5\n00:01:41,334 --> 00:01:55,884\n不應該要有雙標另外我要請教部長事實上在上個會期我就一直非常關心一件事情就是有關於我們的詐騙\n\n6\n00:01:58,186 --> 00:02:10,334\n好我們看一下其實在上個會期呢我曾經提出因為我們的詐騙裡面太多就是知法犯法的律師是來勾結詐團來做詐騙\n\n7\n00:02:13,456 --> 00:02:21,743\n那當時呢法務部本來說可以呢就是來嚴你就是因為我要修律師法就是你知法犯法你還去當詐團等於說共同參與這個組織犯罪而且幫詐團甚至來監看這些車手他所這個在司法追訴的過程裡面我覺得這樣真的必須要嚴懲\n\n8\n00:02:39,396 --> 00:02:58,812\n結果我們法務部回答我說因為找了律師公會來律師公會普遍反應反對所以法務部本來是很願意來做律師法的修正結果說律師公會反對那麼就不予修正但是我今天要給部長看到\n\n9\n00:03:00,313 --> 00:03:13,341\n就在去年我曾經提到在包含之前的鄭宏威、黃庚宏這些律師他們幫車手去辯護但是同樣把所有的訊息給炸團的首腦\n\n10\n00:03:15,402 --> 00:03:23,647\n另外S王牌交易所這個涉案的律師也幫詐團洗錢了4600萬當時你們後來就去找律師公會律師公會反對接下來去年底跟今年初的案子我不曉得部長知不知道\n\n11\n00:03:35,633 --> 00:03:54,094\n這些律師這些涉詐的律師完全沒有任何害怕的嘛在去年底的時候有一個高雄的富二代也是詐騙他找來他的同學而這個同學呢就是高雄律師公會的副秘書長\n\n12\n00:03:55,984 --> 00:04:18,842\n好律師公會的副秘書長來幫他來詐騙三個月就騙四億多到了今年今年還有一個案子很多的這個就是媒體還有一些輿論注意到就是呢桃園市副市長王明俊他的家人也被詐騙結果呢這位被害人啊可憐成什麼樣子他找的他的委任律師\n\n13\n00:04:26,055 --> 00:04:46,391\n叫做陳冠宇竟然是詐團去派去監控他的那他也是應該是桃園律師公會那我就要講就是說對律師公會來說我相信他們也不希望一顆老鼠屎壞了一國洲\n\n14\n00:04:47,602 --> 00:05:13,422\n但是如果這兩年有這麼多的這些律師直接勾結詐團你看到這些被害人有些呢是車手他幫這些詐騙集團當車手然後他沒有錢請律師他也不知道怎麼找律師那結果呢詐團就推薦這些律師結果這些律師幫這些車手呢在整個的辯護過程裡面把所有的資料給詐團的首腦\n\n15\n00:05:16,267 --> 00:05:45,100\n讓他可以得以去能夠去因應就知道檢察官在查些什麼現在又這樣子詐團還可以到派律師給被害人所以部長你覺得這件事情不應該去正視嗎如果你今天只是因為律師公會反對但是我剛講連律師公會的副秘書長高雄律師公會副秘書長都涉詐他現在被起訴喔\n\n16\n00:05:47,346 --> 00:06:07,077\n謝謝委員的答案我想這些案件都是檢察官揪出來辦出來的沒有錯啊那另外這些委員關心的其實我們有努力在做那事實上我們那個已經委員就是關心的就是第7條跟第74條就停止職務跟那個清理律師證書的這部分這部分我們已經提出修正查案\n\n17\n00:06:08,077 --> 00:06:30,063\n擴大律師法74跟第1項跟第7條停止審查律師證書跟停止執行職務的刑事不法犯罪的範圍把它擴大了那這部分我們草辦已經在今年的1月10號已經呈報行政院來做一個審查了那我想我們委員關心了我們也都努力在做了現在已經送行政院現在已經審查了那個草案我們已經提出來了\n\n18\n00:06:30,723 --> 00:06:39,149\n那到時候我請我們辦公室啊因為你們在去年的時候跟我講說哎呀什麼召集律師公會啊然後律師公會不同意啊所以你們後來就作罷所以你們現在已經提到行政院好我是很支持的\n\n19\n00:06:45,993 --> 00:07:09,576\n因為我覺得你如果一審有罪你本來就應該要有一些處理但是如果說最後司法還他清白再恢復他的職業恢復他的這個律師證書這個是OK的嘛但是呢因為我剛才還講說我講的這幾個案子甚至你現在去查律師公會的他的相關資料他們都是正常職業\n\n20\n00:07:10,817 --> 00:07:32,526\n現在全部是正常職業所以我要講就是說因為一般的老百姓對於司法真的太不懂了他如果去找找這個律師完全沒事啊可是他都不曉得他其實已經涉案所以在這一部分請拜託幫忙因為最後有一點一分鐘時間來部長不要不要再這個我會再追啊\n\n21\n00:07:33,246 --> 00:07:37,550\n我要特別講到就是我們現在詐騙你們前一陣子說這個詐騙金額下降可是我們海外詐騙出國輪租宅的人數在去年去年我們的受理的案件高達215件\n\n22\n00:07:51,281 --> 00:07:54,442\n因為這兩年其實它有很多的討論最高出現2022年有692件到了2023年也是經過很多宣導很多的媒體報導大家開始提高警覺所以到2023年它降成92件\n\n23\n00:08:08,268 --> 00:08:26,658\n但是去年又暴增1.33倍成為215件所以不想在這個境外詐騙特別出國輪豬宅的部分我們必須要加強尤其之前都是柬埔寨嘛之前大多是柬埔寨\n\n24\n00:08:27,398 --> 00:08:50,838\n那麼去年很多的案例有九成高達都是緬甸好都是去緬甸而緬甸政府已經對外宣布啦啊如果你實際上是被詐騙去輪租宅就是你被詐騙它沒有辦法幫你營救的所以如果說去年有九成都是去緬甸而且它營救極為極為困難\n\n25\n00:08:53,340 --> 00:09:07,034\n在這樣的狀況下部長我們針對去遏止或者預防這些出國輪租仔然後這些的境外詐騙我們有些什麼樣的具體的辦法\n\n26\n00:09:10,560 --> 00:09:29,408\n部長這很重要的問題到這邊來惡補我跟委員報告事實上我們跟國際這邊的聯繫我想警政署跟我們調查局都有跟外國的代表處使館來做一個聯繫所以我們在去年有遣送回來從印尼印尼有遣送回來時間關係因為我叫你10點半我留給其他\n\n27\n00:09:33,470 --> 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這個我會再追啊\n我要特別講到就是我們現在詐騙你們前一陣子說這個詐騙金額下降可是我們海外詐騙出國輪租宅的人數在去年去年我們的受理的案件高達215件\n因為這兩年其實它有很多的討論最高出現2022年有692件到了2023年也是經過很多宣導很多的媒體報導大家開始提高警覺所以到2023年它降成92件\n但是去年又暴增1.33倍成為215件所以不想在這個境外詐騙特別出國輪豬宅的部分我們必須要加強尤其之前都是柬埔寨嘛之前大多是柬埔寨\n那麼 去年很多的案例 有九成 高達都是緬甸好 都是去緬甸 而緬甸政府已經對外宣布啦啊 如果你實際上是被詐騙 去輪租宅 就是你被詐騙 它沒有辦法幫你營救的所以 如果說去年有九成都是去緬甸 而且它營救極為極為困難\n在這樣的狀況下 部長 我們針對去遏止或者預防這些出國輪租仔 然後這些的境外詐騙我們有些什麼樣的具體的辦法\n部長 這很重要的問題 到這邊來惡補我跟委員報告 事實上我們跟國際這邊的聯繫我想警政署跟我們調查局都有跟外國的代表處 使館來做一個聯繫所以我們在去年有遣送回來 從印尼印尼有遣送回來時間關係 因為我叫你10點半我留給其他\n那個委員問你你們把相關的書面給我老師說最近有一個營救成功的我覺得這個方式當然我就說變成全民皆兵啦就是淘琴幫你們因為發現這個女孩子只買了一個單程的機票\n那他們就提高警覺然後趕快一直問他到底什麼樣的狀況就成功的營救了一位女性要到緬甸的所以我覺得你們一定要提出具體的你不要跟我講很空泛的另外在高雄港那邊有查到從船廂要偷渡出去的這部分也查到後來這些也都收押了\n我們現在太多就是有些父母都小孩去哪裡都不知道然後發現的時候他已經跑到泰國他已經跑到那個緬甸去所以這個部分就是如何我剛講暴增1.33倍這就代表我們境外詐騙又開始竄起來了嗎所以跟委包就是因為這就是查獲的因為查獲的才有辦法去列入統計嘛\n這是受理嘛 對不對那就代表你怎麼還要自我安慰呢2023年因為他真的2022年就是因為大幅的這個大家報導大家重視所以到2023年他確實降到100件以下但是去年又開始快速的飆升這就代表還不夠嘛而且他的地區現在改了\n本來是柬埔寨,現在跑到緬甸很多那我跟你講,緬甸政府直接告訴你我沒辦法,我沒有辦法營救所以你去了之後,很難救得回來所以這部分,拜託能夠有具體的一些對策給我們,好不好?\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:08.578 --> 00:11.787\n好謝謝主席我請法務部長麻煩部長委員長\n\n00:16.308 --> 00:42.997\n好部長長我想剛才延續我們前面吳思瑤委員所講的我同意我覺得任何不要說政治人物就算一般的民眾都不應該受到假訊息還有這個偽造的影片來侵害我們的權利在最近因為是大罷免剛剛也提到就是在我們的連署裡面\n\n00:45.788 --> 01:09.191\n如果有這個偽造的連署死人連署有沒有違反刑法我剛剛看到那個部長立刻回答有可能觸及那我要特別提醒在當年我們韓國瑜院長當時他也是被罷免當時他的連署書出現了1348份的死人連署但是\n\n01:10.393 --> 01:40.033\n我印象所及他的領銜人並沒有被任何的偵辦所以如果說觸及刑法的話罷免韓國瑜有1348份的死人連署沒事那當然現在我們也看到我們很多民進黨的政治人物去提告一些領銜人當然提告也是他們的權利但是我要講司法不應該有雙標同樣的死人連署\n\n01:41.334 --> 01:55.884\n不應該要有雙標另外我要請教部長事實上在上個會期我就一直非常關心一件事情就是有關於我們的詐騙\n\n01:58.186 --> 02:10.334\n好我們看一下其實在上個會期呢我曾經提出因為我們的詐騙裡面太多就是知法犯法的律師是來勾結詐團來做詐騙\n\n02:13.456 --> 02:21.743\n那當時呢法務部本來說可以呢就是來嚴你就是因為我要修律師法就是你知法犯法你還去當詐團等於說共同參與這個組織犯罪而且幫詐團甚至來監看這些車手他所這個在司法追訴的過程裡面我覺得這樣真的必須要嚴懲\n\n02:39.396 --> 02:58.812\n結果我們法務部回答我說因為找了律師公會來律師公會普遍反應反對所以法務部本來是很願意來做律師法的修正結果說律師公會反對那麼就不予修正但是我今天要給部長看到\n\n03:00.313 --> 03:13.341\n就在去年我曾經提到在包含之前的鄭宏威、黃庚宏這些律師他們幫車手去辯護但是同樣把所有的訊息給炸團的首腦\n\n03:15.402 --> 03:23.647\n另外S王牌交易所這個涉案的律師也幫詐團洗錢了4600萬當時你們後來就去找律師公會律師公會反對接下來去年底跟今年初的案子我不曉得部長知不知道\n\n03:35.633 --> 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